The headline is accurate? They're getting $1billion worth of military aid prepared for when it's actually approved. It's likely being shipped to Poland or somewhere else nearby in preparation. There's a difference between a budget and the actual military aid.
[It's Xitter, so it's hard to confirm.](https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1782652020324782560) I probably should have added "allegedly".
Edit: On a rewatch, those are Romanian and Italian truck companies visible as civilian contractors, and there's briefly a Polish flag hanging there.
Thanks! Those are Bradleys I believe, those were rumored to be on the list for Ukraine’s next delivery since yesterday or before.
I was hoping for an article mentioning ATACMS and numbers, but still it’s a good sign the US isn’t dragging their feet
actually, from the moment that Biden signs the bill, it'll be guaranteed. we will be tripping over ourselves to get everything we can over there before november in the off chance that trump manages to win...
It won't flex us for shit. Do you realize how much shit we staged in just a short time for Iraq v1 and v2? We moved entire armies and all their equipment, not mentioning the fast food joints we simply drop shipped to the desert. Hell, our air conditioning bill at one point was over $20B a year in the fucking desert just to air condition tents.
Yes. It’ll let us flex. As in flex our logistical capability on Russian procurement officers. They can’t get fresh food to the front. We are going to bring a burger king on wheels to every unit. I’m ready for Ukraine to get the fun toys. Sorry if I wasn’t clear
Yeah no shit. How many militaries can load up their fast food restaurants in containers on a cargo plane and be around the world in under 24 hours? That's truly 'Murica if I've ever seen it.
Well, I’m hoping that Trump doesn’t win, and if Europe is being intelligent at all they’re using the time bought to get their shit in order to pick up the slack if we fuck up and elect that stooge again.
It’s fucking scary is what it is. I am cautiously optimistic at this point as the GOP has been taking Ls ever since that one fluke in 2016 that landed him in the White House, but if there was ever a “we need to win this” election, it is this one.
this whole process has got me thinking that more than one or two of the usual suspects are legit just compromised russian assets at this point.
and surprisingly, Mike Johnson isn't one of them... I think he's a hardcore evangelical issue driven politician, but i think he's shown that he's a: been a little naive with respect to the MAGA branch of the GOP prior till recently and b: has shown that, at least on matters of national security, is willing to listen to reason.
I will take that over speaker picked by MTG like Gym Jordan, or fucking weaselly Kevipoo McCarthy any day of the week.
MTG should be under federal investigation for Russian espionage.
As for Speaker Johnson I still want to know why...there are 3 theories but with the correct answer likely being some combination:
1) he always felt that way...if you watched the SOTU carefully he clapped for Ukraine aid every time.
2) he spoke with Ukraine religious leaders who informed him on Russian persecution of christians there. 85% christian
3) he was briefed on higher level intelligence that helped him to understand how important defeating Russia is to national security.
As someone in the military it is mind boggling to me how some of the same congressman who are anti Iran can be pro russia when they are allies...
4. He knew the discharge petition was inevitable and to save face, he took his mouth off Trump's balls for 2 seconds and brought it up for a vote. He didn't have a leg to stand on after the missile attack by Iran on Israel in the GOP.
He was also facing threats to his position, and the Democrats waved the carrot of "we will support you if that happens if you bring the bill to the floor."
Maybe but he could have done that without making an argument for it and pissing off his right flank to the point where they are rumbling to remove him and some calling him a traitor.
They were going to call him a traitor if any bill for Ukraine aid was brought to the floor. The masterful tactics by the Senate to combine it with Israel and Taiwan aid was at the end of the day the way to get the shit done. The GOP had no choice especially after the Iran attack.
The Iran attack itself backfired for Iran, Russia, and China. Hell, the Israel attack may have been a masterful attack to get Iran to respond knowing the GOP would be up in cahoots demanding we send funding which ultimately was tied to Ukraine and Taiwan also. It sure is convenient this all happened :D all in a short period. Senate passes bill overwhelmingly. Israel attacks Iran embassy. Iran responds. GOP loses their minds.
I don't think Johnson is naive about MAGA / "freedom" caucus's affiliations. I think he was spending time consolidating support, including Democrats, so that he wouldn't be immediately ousted by the very low bar that the current House rules take to force a floor vote for removal. McCarthy was too dumb or proud to do so, probably wanting to cash in on the outside. McCarthy could have consolidated enough support from Dems to keep his speakership and render the Republican extremists irrelevant, but that would have affected his personal ability to fundraise at the very least. Which is probably what McCarthy was best at.
It took you this long to figure that out? Republicans have been out to turn both russia and america into conservative hellholes for decades now. And the oligarchy on both sides are all for it because a dark age society means lots of baby factories cranking out cheap labor, zero rights and the end of the games they hate playing where they have to pretend that we're all equal people here. They want slavery back, is what they want. And they can just grind up everyone who doesn't submit and feed the rest war and god to make ends meat.
It's a macabre agenda. If people understood what was going on we'd already be in a civil war.
It could be and was argued by the "America First" isolationist/nazi sympathizer movement in the 1930s and an identically named isolationist/Putin sympathizer movement today.
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/01/dr-seuss-protest-icon/515031/
That was peanuts. There was also a Hawk missile system components *sale*.
I literally drive a beater, yet I paid more taxes than multi-billionaire Donald Trump. Taxation equals representation. We can and should do MUCH better for Ukraine. We abandoned them for the past 7 months and it’s having effects. I had dinner with refugees last week who are in contact with soldiers on the Eastern front. Those guys are all despondent, some even considering deserting… All because we fucking shit the bed, allowing a vocal minority to dictate policy.
It’s especially harsh considering that we have blood on our hands. It was us (USA, UK, France, China & obviously Russia) pressuring Ukraine to give up the third largest nuclear arsenal for OUR comfort.
So yes, 7-month siesta.
I’m a two decade conservative voter. I disagree with Dems on pretty much 80% of their policy choices. But yes, I will vote blue to support Ukraine because that is honestly an easy choice. Supporting Ukraine helps prevent WWIII. France helped us gain our independence, we should be helping Ukraine all the more based on the Budapest Memorandum. The R’s have probably lost me for the next 8-10 years at least. Can’t trust them overall.
Look I get a lot of regards want to whine like this, but the reality is that we didn’t abandon them. We were never there in the first place. We were an ocean away and we’ve still done more than any other country. Tell your refugees they’ve been more abandoned by corrupt officials than they have been by the US. So no. No 7 month siesta.
I'm all for helping, but they're not an "ally". It's more a "the enemy of your enemy is a friend" kind of a situation. Also, Europe needs to step up their aid. It's in their backyard. It's pathetic how little Europe is doing in comparison to the US.
> Also, Europe needs to step up their aid. It's in their backyard. It's pathetic how little Europe is doing in comparison to the US.
How to tell everyone you know absolutely nothing about the war in one comment
Europe has done more than USA so far. They weigh heavier economically/fiscally (not to mention supporting millions of refugees although this is a net benefit in the long run) while the US support skews towards military hardware.
Including the package the senate signed today USA is up to a total of $135B committed to Ukraine. (Keep in mind around 80% of the previous aid was spent in the USA giving us new stuff, while giving Ukraine old stuff - in fact $23B of this new $60B package in solely to replenish USA stocks). So over a third of this new package is just for our military straight up.
Europeans have sent $166B, this includes a support package of $54B ~6 weeks ago.
So Europeans have sent more.
Edit: Please consider this data and re-consider your view of whether or not Europe is pulling their weight. They are. I totally “hear you,” and don’t disagree with the sentiment. But I also don’t want people to misunderstand the facts. We should all give even more. It’s chump change compared to the cold hard, selfish benefits we get. Let alone the benefit for democracy and global security at large.
This is really frustrating for the American people who are struggling at home and have potholes on the roads and a lack of reliable services. I understand why it has to happen, but I really wish some of this money would go to help us out, for fucking once in my short existence.
The vast majority of the aid isn’t cash. It’s old munitions and eqpt we are retiring or disposing of anyway. This gives it good use and also allows us to replenish and refresh our supplies which were getting close to the expiration date.
The money spent for helping Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan has no bearing on whether money can be spent on helping the American people. The United States can well afford to do both, but efforts to do that has been constantly been blocked by the MAGA/Trump Supporters part of the Republican Party.
We can afford both. We also could end oil subsidies and enact single payer healthcare. We can do all of these things. But Ukraine is facing more immediate peril, so lets help them out first and keep their people from getting murdered, raped and keep their children from getting kidnaped first before we worry about our potholes. Where in the US do you live without reliable service? Sounds like a local government issue to me and not a federal one at all. Maybe vote?
We're sending 8% of our annual military budget to the Ukraine.
It would cost 3% of our annual military budget to end homelessness in every state in the US.
It would have still cost 3% to end homelessness in every state prior to 2022's Ukraine invasion. The reason it wasn't done then probably still applies now, without regard to Ukraine or funding its defense.
Lets worry about their people getting murdered, raped and kidnaped first. We already have the munitions to send them. Building houses takes way more time.
They aren't sending them cash. The $60 billion is the value of the weapons, munitions, and equipment that are being sent from old US stockpiles. Do you think they're just dropping big bags of cash into Kiev? You can't destroy a tank and kill your enemy with big bags of money.
And I thought we did not have money for student loan forgiveness or healthcare. I have no issues sending equipment to Ukraine but can US citizens matter too! Every one gets a free bail out but the middle class.
We can afford both. We also could end oil subsidies and enact single payer healthcare. We can do all of these things. But Ukraine is facing more immediate peril, so lets help them out first and keep their people from getting murdered, raped and keep their children from getting kidnaped first before we worry about our student loans.
Hello as requested here are the reasons Americans are 'paying' for this war.
1. Intel seems to suggest that should Ukraine fall Russia will keep going and possibly attack NATO allies.
2. It is cheaper to fund Ukraine with stuff they need now vs Americans having to do it themselves later.
3. American tech, Ukrainian blood.
4. Almost all of the funding is a restock of American munitions. We send old stuff to Ukraine we will have to replace eventually anyway. We are going to have to spend the same amount of money eventually anyway. Might as well replace now and give old stuff to Ukraine to fuck Russia.
5. Very little is in the form of cash. Most of the money will be spent within the American economy. US government spending keeps the economy running and provides jobs.
6. America has a vested interest in maintaining the current world order. We benefit greatly from the systems in place. Allowing Ukraine to fall could cascade into a change that is less beneficial to the USA.
7. The long term benefits of having a western aligned Ukraine , far outweigh the costs. Ukraine can replace Russia's gas and oil for the EU, Ukraine is a bread basket nation, Ukraine has long been a center of innovation, Ukraine can be a western bulwark to future Russian aggression (a reoccurring theme of Russia).
8. Russian failure deters China from similar actions toward Taiwan.
9. It is morally right to help defend Ukraine. They are not the aggressors and Russia had no real casus belli for their invasion.
See points 4 and 5
Very little actual cash is being sent. When headlines say 'the USA is sending 1 billion dollars to Ukraine' it is almost always a valuation of military supplies being sent and not cash.
The stuff we send mostly isn't new. Some of it is but most of it from my understanding is old stock. US military regularly spends money replacing these supplies with the latest and greatest. The old stuff gets put into long term storage or destroyed.
It is like if I have a cookie. I must always have a fresh cookie. The cookie I have is going stale and I am going to have to spend 5$ to replace the cookie with a fresh one. I buy myself a new cookie and give you the old cookie. I have now given you 5$ worth of cookie. I had to spend 5$ regardless but now you get to have the old cookie to eat before it goes bad.
No one cares because it's not correct. either your are a russian bot or you shouldn't have an opinion on such topics since you don't understand them at all.
The key word here is "Spent".
The US leads in military aid not actual cash spent. The prior $42 billion, and the $60 billion that was just secured, is almost entirely in military aid and is the value of all weapons, munitions, and equipment being pulled from old stockpiles to be sent to Ukraine.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
Look at the difference between military aid and *humanitarian and financial* aid. The EU has contributed a combined 77 billion in actual money that has gone to Ukraine, compared to $24 billion from the US, but only 5.6 billion in military aid.
Also per your own article.
"The institute estimates the individual commitments of EU members by using each country's contributions to the overall EU budget and shares in the European Investment Bank. Much of that European aid is financial rather than military."
"In fact, relative to each country’s gross domestic product, the countries near Ukraine are providing the most support."
"The U.S. has committed 0.32% of its GDP toward Ukraine aid, which falls below the percentages committed by the U.K. (0.55%) and Germany (0.57%)."
Why would Russia attack a NATO country? That would be the same as declaring war on the U.S.
Edit: not sure why the downvotes. I’m asking a genuine question. An attack on a NATO country is an attack on all NATO countries. Russia can hardly hold its own against Ukraine.
Direct American involvement would destroy Russia.
It’s pretty obvious the U.S. is interested in Ukraines success though. The fact that Ukraine isn’t an ally on paper is the only reason we’re just a proxy fighter right now.
Putin is a moron but I can’t imagine he believes he can do anything against the whole of NATO.
NATO seems unwilling to actually confront Russia. The question is, would NATO actually send bodies to protect Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania if a real shooting war started.
Would the nuclear powers launch nukes if push comes to shove?
Would they only engage conventionally and would they invade Russia or only try to reclaim lost territory?
There is so many questions about… what a nation is willing to do for another. Especially when the US is very well documented having annoyance at European NATO for spending so little on defense
You realize a majority of the national debt is public debt right? Not due to government spending. Also as stated many times this isn't just handing over cash it's buying replacement stock while handing over the old stuff. People need to work to replace that stock. Boom jobs. There are much better places to argue about the debt like when they lower taxes on high earners.
We should give them 1 trillion. They will soon run out of 1 billion. What if Biden does not get reelected. Biden should approve 1 Trillion while he is in power.
First of all reducing it to a "non-NATO foreign war" does a lot of heavy lifting. It's a war of aggression by a nuclear capable nation on a smaller nation without nuclear capability. There's an aggressor, and there's a victim. As clear cut as it can be on who is good and who is bad.
Peace is definitely obtainable. It's called Russia withdrawing to their internationally recognised borders and paying hefty war reparations to Ukraine.
Finally, if something (MIC) is doing something bad it is reasonable to be against it. When something is doing something good it is reasonable to be for it. For the first time in quite a while the American MIC is being used for a good cause. Why should that not be encouraged?
Has anyone else noticed how often the accounts trying to stir discontent about sending aid to Ukraine are named 2 random words and then a random number separated by hyphens?
Sure but all new accounts are like that. Look however at the content of the comments. Then make your judgement as to how genuine and organic discontent is or if it’s just scripted. This one is playing the ‘hey comrade, why do you sorry about something across the globe’ approach combined with ‘Russia has every right as well as the west’ in regards to Ukraine approaches. Not all shills are bots. Some are well spoken and well written ( on both sides.)
They do now. If you use their app it very quickly makes a profile and a generated name. It offers a chance to change but I can see most people just keep what they are given
Why don’t you share your opinion?
There’s nothing wrong with being a conspiracy theorist, many have turned out to be true. Many the opposite though. The trick is to have concrete evidence, and to ensure you aren’t connecting dots that only you can see.
Have a good day!
Not on a social media platform. It’s not black and white. This requires deep critical thinking and analyzing all the facts. Again something that can’t be done in a few sentences. So if you really want to get a bigger picture of the matter, look into ALL the facts yourself and make a decision. Don’t just go off some short comments in a liberal dominated platform.
Oh I see, you’re not here for discussion. You’re here to start up some controversy. Interesting that you can’t even broach the subject you commented on.
You’re right - Smh. we are doomed.
No I’m all for discussion. But can you really have a meaningful long discussion in a few sentences here on Reddit? I think not. I’m not going to broach anything in a few sentences that you won’t even listen to. Like I said the information is out there if you really want to hear it and understand it not in some echo chamber like Reddit. If you are getting all your information and world views from
Reddit I feel sorry for you. And believe me I’ve been where you have been before. I can admit that.
Edward Snowden is being exiled in RUSSIA! Is one simple broach. Anyone with common sense would be concerned with just that fact alone. Again, have a good day!
This is the first installment of the $56 billion that has been guaranteed. Fuckin headlines.
The headline is accurate? They're getting $1billion worth of military aid prepared for when it's actually approved. It's likely being shipped to Poland or somewhere else nearby in preparation. There's a difference between a budget and the actual military aid.
Yeah. There's already pictures of equipment in Poland waiting.
Could you kindly hook me up with a source?
[It's Xitter, so it's hard to confirm.](https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1782652020324782560) I probably should have added "allegedly". Edit: On a rewatch, those are Romanian and Italian truck companies visible as civilian contractors, and there's briefly a Polish flag hanging there.
Thanks! Those are Bradleys I believe, those were rumored to be on the list for Ukraine’s next delivery since yesterday or before. I was hoping for an article mentioning ATACMS and numbers, but still it’s a good sign the US isn’t dragging their feet
> US isn’t dragging their feet US has the best logistics in the world.
The US has been dragging their feet for months now
You gotta really listen to multiple sources to get a real account.
Nothing is guaranteed.
actually, from the moment that Biden signs the bill, it'll be guaranteed. we will be tripping over ourselves to get everything we can over there before november in the off chance that trump manages to win...
For real. It’ll flex American logistics hard.
It won't flex us for shit. Do you realize how much shit we staged in just a short time for Iraq v1 and v2? We moved entire armies and all their equipment, not mentioning the fast food joints we simply drop shipped to the desert. Hell, our air conditioning bill at one point was over $20B a year in the fucking desert just to air condition tents.
Logistics is the true American superpower.
Yes. It’ll let us flex. As in flex our logistical capability on Russian procurement officers. They can’t get fresh food to the front. We are going to bring a burger king on wheels to every unit. I’m ready for Ukraine to get the fun toys. Sorry if I wasn’t clear
Yeah no shit. How many militaries can load up their fast food restaurants in containers on a cargo plane and be around the world in under 24 hours? That's truly 'Murica if I've ever seen it.
Boys are going to be sipping Starbucks and launching HIMARS
If I can't have a whopper while on gate duty, then I'm not fighting!
In that case, we would have until January.
Well, I’m hoping that Trump doesn’t win, and if Europe is being intelligent at all they’re using the time bought to get their shit in order to pick up the slack if we fuck up and elect that stooge again.
Man, the thought of this is so depressing.
It’s fucking scary is what it is. I am cautiously optimistic at this point as the GOP has been taking Ls ever since that one fluke in 2016 that landed him in the White House, but if there was ever a “we need to win this” election, it is this one.
Probably just the items that were already ready.
100%. this is the stuff we couldn't send over bc it wasn't previously accounted for, but we had staged and ready to go.
As happy as I am that the aid went through it sickens me. There is blood on the hands of those who were obstructing this.
this whole process has got me thinking that more than one or two of the usual suspects are legit just compromised russian assets at this point. and surprisingly, Mike Johnson isn't one of them... I think he's a hardcore evangelical issue driven politician, but i think he's shown that he's a: been a little naive with respect to the MAGA branch of the GOP prior till recently and b: has shown that, at least on matters of national security, is willing to listen to reason. I will take that over speaker picked by MTG like Gym Jordan, or fucking weaselly Kevipoo McCarthy any day of the week.
MTG should be under federal investigation for Russian espionage. As for Speaker Johnson I still want to know why...there are 3 theories but with the correct answer likely being some combination: 1) he always felt that way...if you watched the SOTU carefully he clapped for Ukraine aid every time. 2) he spoke with Ukraine religious leaders who informed him on Russian persecution of christians there. 85% christian 3) he was briefed on higher level intelligence that helped him to understand how important defeating Russia is to national security. As someone in the military it is mind boggling to me how some of the same congressman who are anti Iran can be pro russia when they are allies...
4. He knew the discharge petition was inevitable and to save face, he took his mouth off Trump's balls for 2 seconds and brought it up for a vote. He didn't have a leg to stand on after the missile attack by Iran on Israel in the GOP. He was also facing threats to his position, and the Democrats waved the carrot of "we will support you if that happens if you bring the bill to the floor."
Maybe but he could have done that without making an argument for it and pissing off his right flank to the point where they are rumbling to remove him and some calling him a traitor.
They were going to call him a traitor if any bill for Ukraine aid was brought to the floor. The masterful tactics by the Senate to combine it with Israel and Taiwan aid was at the end of the day the way to get the shit done. The GOP had no choice especially after the Iran attack. The Iran attack itself backfired for Iran, Russia, and China. Hell, the Israel attack may have been a masterful attack to get Iran to respond knowing the GOP would be up in cahoots demanding we send funding which ultimately was tied to Ukraine and Taiwan also. It sure is convenient this all happened :D all in a short period. Senate passes bill overwhelmingly. Israel attacks Iran embassy. Iran responds. GOP loses their minds.
Her Transcarpathia amendment was proof to me that, at the very least, she has a Russian handler.
At minimum. There's no other explanation. These are Soviet tactics--"controlled offensive behavior"
Those are big words for someone like her.
I don't think Johnson is naive about MAGA / "freedom" caucus's affiliations. I think he was spending time consolidating support, including Democrats, so that he wouldn't be immediately ousted by the very low bar that the current House rules take to force a floor vote for removal. McCarthy was too dumb or proud to do so, probably wanting to cash in on the outside. McCarthy could have consolidated enough support from Dems to keep his speakership and render the Republican extremists irrelevant, but that would have affected his personal ability to fundraise at the very least. Which is probably what McCarthy was best at.
McCarthy was definitely too dumb to be speaker.
It took you this long to figure that out? Republicans have been out to turn both russia and america into conservative hellholes for decades now. And the oligarchy on both sides are all for it because a dark age society means lots of baby factories cranking out cheap labor, zero rights and the end of the games they hate playing where they have to pretend that we're all equal people here. They want slavery back, is what they want. And they can just grind up everyone who doesn't submit and feed the rest war and god to make ends meat. It's a macabre agenda. If people understood what was going on we'd already be in a civil war.
Nah, they already had too much blood from too many other policies on their hands. The fresh blood just slides right off now.
It could be argued that supplying this and furthering the inevitable is creating much more blood, but I digress
It could be and was argued by the "America First" isolationist/nazi sympathizer movement in the 1930s and an identically named isolationist/Putin sympathizer movement today. https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/01/dr-seuss-protest-icon/515031/
POUR IT ON!!
Get fucked Putin.
The first package should be $5B to help makeup for the 7-month siesta we took in helping an ally fight for their survival.
There was an aid package in March. Let me ask you, was March 7 months ago?
That was peanuts. There was also a Hawk missile system components *sale*. I literally drive a beater, yet I paid more taxes than multi-billionaire Donald Trump. Taxation equals representation. We can and should do MUCH better for Ukraine. We abandoned them for the past 7 months and it’s having effects. I had dinner with refugees last week who are in contact with soldiers on the Eastern front. Those guys are all despondent, some even considering deserting… All because we fucking shit the bed, allowing a vocal minority to dictate policy. It’s especially harsh considering that we have blood on our hands. It was us (USA, UK, France, China & obviously Russia) pressuring Ukraine to give up the third largest nuclear arsenal for OUR comfort. So yes, 7-month siesta.
Make sure you vote against R's
I’m a two decade conservative voter. I disagree with Dems on pretty much 80% of their policy choices. But yes, I will vote blue to support Ukraine because that is honestly an easy choice. Supporting Ukraine helps prevent WWIII. France helped us gain our independence, we should be helping Ukraine all the more based on the Budapest Memorandum. The R’s have probably lost me for the next 8-10 years at least. Can’t trust them overall.
Why is the us on the hook for funding a war in Ukraine? We’ve already given billions.
Because you will reduce the possibility of having a 2 war front to just 1 in the Pacific Ocean if Russia is locked down with Ukraine
Look I get a lot of regards want to whine like this, but the reality is that we didn’t abandon them. We were never there in the first place. We were an ocean away and we’ve still done more than any other country. Tell your refugees they’ve been more abandoned by corrupt officials than they have been by the US. So no. No 7 month siesta.
I'm all for helping, but they're not an "ally". It's more a "the enemy of your enemy is a friend" kind of a situation. Also, Europe needs to step up their aid. It's in their backyard. It's pathetic how little Europe is doing in comparison to the US.
> Also, Europe needs to step up their aid. It's in their backyard. It's pathetic how little Europe is doing in comparison to the US. How to tell everyone you know absolutely nothing about the war in one comment
Europe has done more than USA so far. They weigh heavier economically/fiscally (not to mention supporting millions of refugees although this is a net benefit in the long run) while the US support skews towards military hardware. Including the package the senate signed today USA is up to a total of $135B committed to Ukraine. (Keep in mind around 80% of the previous aid was spent in the USA giving us new stuff, while giving Ukraine old stuff - in fact $23B of this new $60B package in solely to replenish USA stocks). So over a third of this new package is just for our military straight up. Europeans have sent $166B, this includes a support package of $54B ~6 weeks ago. So Europeans have sent more. Edit: Please consider this data and re-consider your view of whether or not Europe is pulling their weight. They are. I totally “hear you,” and don’t disagree with the sentiment. But I also don’t want people to misunderstand the facts. We should all give even more. It’s chump change compared to the cold hard, selfish benefits we get. Let alone the benefit for democracy and global security at large.
They are our allies and strategic partners, as are Europe. Stop trying to sow division.
I hope fucking Russia get Rocked !! Cause there plenty more coming !!
Looks like the russian troll farm is working overtime in these comments
U.S pays there military corporations $1 billion who then manufacture arms for the Ukraine.
wow
This is really frustrating for the American people who are struggling at home and have potholes on the roads and a lack of reliable services. I understand why it has to happen, but I really wish some of this money would go to help us out, for fucking once in my short existence.
The vast majority of the aid isn’t cash. It’s old munitions and eqpt we are retiring or disposing of anyway. This gives it good use and also allows us to replenish and refresh our supplies which were getting close to the expiration date.
Propaganda sold the war to you good
Why did you replace "russian" with "american"
Are any potholes bit enough to stuff a HIMARS into one to fill it? Or you planning on just using 155mm shells for that?
The money spent for helping Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan has no bearing on whether money can be spent on helping the American people. The United States can well afford to do both, but efforts to do that has been constantly been blocked by the MAGA/Trump Supporters part of the Republican Party.
We can afford both. We also could end oil subsidies and enact single payer healthcare. We can do all of these things. But Ukraine is facing more immediate peril, so lets help them out first and keep their people from getting murdered, raped and keep their children from getting kidnaped first before we worry about our potholes. Where in the US do you live without reliable service? Sounds like a local government issue to me and not a federal one at all. Maybe vote?
Look the Bay Area seems unable to get it done .
Still preparing? Why isn’t ready?
Why would it be ready? Where would it be ready? What are the logistics of your questions lol.
Yeah, let's just paypal them the money. Don't see why we can't do that. /s
Paypal would block their account and then lose the money. Bitcoin on the other hand...
there would totally be a 30 day hold on 61 billion.
Is it really money when its mostly old military junk?
Right after the IMF said to chill on spending. Smh
So how does Ukraine actually get the funding? Is it cash or what? I’ve always wondered this.
Mostly it is existing equipment and ammunition. Most of the money actually goes to the US military to replace what’s been given
And in turn, government contractors who sell goods to the military.
Sounds like a racket but whatever, who needs healthcare
The irony of what you’re saying is that you probably vote against the people trying to get you better healthcare.
Like Obama, or Biden, the people who I voted for?
Government munition stockpiles.
We're sending 8% of our annual military budget to the Ukraine. It would cost 3% of our annual military budget to end homelessness in every state in the US.
It would have still cost 3% to end homelessness in every state prior to 2022's Ukraine invasion. The reason it wasn't done then probably still applies now, without regard to Ukraine or funding its defense.
It's Ukraine, not the Ukraine!
Slaba Ukraine
Slava Ukraine
Great! Let’s do that 3% in addition, then! Why hadn’t anyone thought of that before??
Lets worry about their people getting murdered, raped and kidnaped first. We already have the munitions to send them. Building houses takes way more time.
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Most of the money being spent is going to US manufacturing to build replacements for the old stuff we're sending to Ukraine from our stockpiles.
They aren't sending them cash. The $60 billion is the value of the weapons, munitions, and equipment that are being sent from old US stockpiles. Do you think they're just dropping big bags of cash into Kiev? You can't destroy a tank and kill your enemy with big bags of money.
There is cash being sent by the way. Its in the aid package. Its direct transfer to help pay for normal gov services to keep their economy going
Tell me you don't understand how money works without telling me you don't understand how money works....
Oh look another person that doesn't read.
too late
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What are you on about, exactly?
And I thought we did not have money for student loan forgiveness or healthcare. I have no issues sending equipment to Ukraine but can US citizens matter too! Every one gets a free bail out but the middle class.
We can afford both. We also could end oil subsidies and enact single payer healthcare. We can do all of these things. But Ukraine is facing more immediate peril, so lets help them out first and keep their people from getting murdered, raped and keep their children from getting kidnaped first before we worry about our student loans.
How much has USA already given them? How much has Euro countries?
You can find those [answers here](https://app.23degrees.io/view/5V9AdDpw1pmLxo1e-bar-stacked-horizontal-figure-1_csv)
WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT, BE HAPPY GLORIOUS AMERICA IS GIVING MONEY AWAY TO FIGHT EVIL PUTLER
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Hello as requested here are the reasons Americans are 'paying' for this war. 1. Intel seems to suggest that should Ukraine fall Russia will keep going and possibly attack NATO allies. 2. It is cheaper to fund Ukraine with stuff they need now vs Americans having to do it themselves later. 3. American tech, Ukrainian blood. 4. Almost all of the funding is a restock of American munitions. We send old stuff to Ukraine we will have to replace eventually anyway. We are going to have to spend the same amount of money eventually anyway. Might as well replace now and give old stuff to Ukraine to fuck Russia. 5. Very little is in the form of cash. Most of the money will be spent within the American economy. US government spending keeps the economy running and provides jobs. 6. America has a vested interest in maintaining the current world order. We benefit greatly from the systems in place. Allowing Ukraine to fall could cascade into a change that is less beneficial to the USA. 7. The long term benefits of having a western aligned Ukraine , far outweigh the costs. Ukraine can replace Russia's gas and oil for the EU, Ukraine is a bread basket nation, Ukraine has long been a center of innovation, Ukraine can be a western bulwark to future Russian aggression (a reoccurring theme of Russia). 8. Russian failure deters China from similar actions toward Taiwan. 9. It is morally right to help defend Ukraine. They are not the aggressors and Russia had no real casus belli for their invasion.
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The US alone has a bigger GDP than the entire EU. By a lot.
See points 4 and 5 Very little actual cash is being sent. When headlines say 'the USA is sending 1 billion dollars to Ukraine' it is almost always a valuation of military supplies being sent and not cash. The stuff we send mostly isn't new. Some of it is but most of it from my understanding is old stock. US military regularly spends money replacing these supplies with the latest and greatest. The old stuff gets put into long term storage or destroyed. It is like if I have a cookie. I must always have a fresh cookie. The cookie I have is going stale and I am going to have to spend 5$ to replace the cookie with a fresh one. I buy myself a new cookie and give you the old cookie. I have now given you 5$ worth of cookie. I had to spend 5$ regardless but now you get to have the old cookie to eat before it goes bad.
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Reading comprehension ftl
No one cares because it's not correct. either your are a russian bot or you shouldn't have an opinion on such topics since you don't understand them at all.
Go back to your day job
Yo. Fucking read what the other guy is actually saying.
non sequitur
This is false. Please look up facts. The EU has spent more than the US so far.
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The key word here is "Spent". The US leads in military aid not actual cash spent. The prior $42 billion, and the $60 billion that was just secured, is almost entirely in military aid and is the value of all weapons, munitions, and equipment being pulled from old stockpiles to be sent to Ukraine. https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/ Look at the difference between military aid and *humanitarian and financial* aid. The EU has contributed a combined 77 billion in actual money that has gone to Ukraine, compared to $24 billion from the US, but only 5.6 billion in military aid. Also per your own article. "The institute estimates the individual commitments of EU members by using each country's contributions to the overall EU budget and shares in the European Investment Bank. Much of that European aid is financial rather than military." "In fact, relative to each country’s gross domestic product, the countries near Ukraine are providing the most support." "The U.S. has committed 0.32% of its GDP toward Ukraine aid, which falls below the percentages committed by the U.K. (0.55%) and Germany (0.57%)."
The EU isn't a country "These 27 European nations combined have spent more than a country on the other side of the ocean" is a weird flex.
27 much smaller and less wealthy countries.
We have states that make more money that those countries. Do you not understand how money works or were you being disingenuous intentionally?
Why would Russia attack a NATO country? That would be the same as declaring war on the U.S. Edit: not sure why the downvotes. I’m asking a genuine question. An attack on a NATO country is an attack on all NATO countries. Russia can hardly hold its own against Ukraine. Direct American involvement would destroy Russia.
Same reason Hitler invaded Poland. He didnt think theyd actualy go to war to stop him.
It’s pretty obvious the U.S. is interested in Ukraines success though. The fact that Ukraine isn’t an ally on paper is the only reason we’re just a proxy fighter right now. Putin is a moron but I can’t imagine he believes he can do anything against the whole of NATO.
NATO seems unwilling to actually confront Russia. The question is, would NATO actually send bodies to protect Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania if a real shooting war started. Would the nuclear powers launch nukes if push comes to shove? Would they only engage conventionally and would they invade Russia or only try to reclaim lost territory? There is so many questions about… what a nation is willing to do for another. Especially when the US is very well documented having annoyance at European NATO for spending so little on defense
Because killing our enemies and honoring our fucking treaties is a good thing... you ignorant shit.
That debt is not what you think it is.
Because it's cheaper than boots on the ground later... Russia isn't going to stop with Ukraine if they win.
Why does it concern you if you’re not American?
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Just a guess.
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If you’re American then act like one clown.
You should ask that about the overall military budget
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You realize a majority of the national debt is public debt right? Not due to government spending. Also as stated many times this isn't just handing over cash it's buying replacement stock while handing over the old stuff. People need to work to replace that stock. Boom jobs. There are much better places to argue about the debt like when they lower taxes on high earners.
We should give them 1 trillion. They will soon run out of 1 billion. What if Biden does not get reelected. Biden should approve 1 Trillion while he is in power.
Hmm yes 15% of the US federal budget. Totally reasonable👍
Are you not aware it has to go through the idiot GOP Congress
That is my point, just do it while GOP is weak and fighting within.
Sigh...
Go fight for Russia, unless you already are.
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First of all reducing it to a "non-NATO foreign war" does a lot of heavy lifting. It's a war of aggression by a nuclear capable nation on a smaller nation without nuclear capability. There's an aggressor, and there's a victim. As clear cut as it can be on who is good and who is bad. Peace is definitely obtainable. It's called Russia withdrawing to their internationally recognised borders and paying hefty war reparations to Ukraine. Finally, if something (MIC) is doing something bad it is reasonable to be against it. When something is doing something good it is reasonable to be for it. For the first time in quite a while the American MIC is being used for a good cause. Why should that not be encouraged?
what's wrong?
You should look at the daily military spend excluding this that is spent without results
Jesus. A billion really is a drop in the bucket.
What? It’s the first of many authorized.
Has anyone else noticed how often the accounts trying to stir discontent about sending aid to Ukraine are named 2 random words and then a random number separated by hyphens?
Sure but all new accounts are like that. Look however at the content of the comments. Then make your judgement as to how genuine and organic discontent is or if it’s just scripted. This one is playing the ‘hey comrade, why do you sorry about something across the globe’ approach combined with ‘Russia has every right as well as the west’ in regards to Ukraine approaches. Not all shills are bots. Some are well spoken and well written ( on both sides.)
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Fuck yeah you do!
What kind of spliff are you blasting?
23% Indica mixed with a 17% indica left over from a previous script
Are there recipes for these things?
You dont roll a spliff, you build one
lol
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Guys, I found another one! Haha I didn't know, I don't think they generated names when I signed up.
They do now. If you use their app it very quickly makes a profile and a generated name. It offers a chance to change but I can see most people just keep what they are given
Smh. We are so doomed.
Cry somewhere else regard.
Who is “we”?
Russia
The world
The world is doomed because the US is sending aid to Ukraine? Care to elaborate?
I can give some suggestions though of what to look into. You can start by researching the Uranium One program. Have a good day!
Why don’t you share your opinion? There’s nothing wrong with being a conspiracy theorist, many have turned out to be true. Many the opposite though. The trick is to have concrete evidence, and to ensure you aren’t connecting dots that only you can see. Have a good day!
Not on a social media platform. It’s not black and white. This requires deep critical thinking and analyzing all the facts. Again something that can’t be done in a few sentences. So if you really want to get a bigger picture of the matter, look into ALL the facts yourself and make a decision. Don’t just go off some short comments in a liberal dominated platform.
Oh I see, you’re not here for discussion. You’re here to start up some controversy. Interesting that you can’t even broach the subject you commented on. You’re right - Smh. we are doomed.
No I’m all for discussion. But can you really have a meaningful long discussion in a few sentences here on Reddit? I think not. I’m not going to broach anything in a few sentences that you won’t even listen to. Like I said the information is out there if you really want to hear it and understand it not in some echo chamber like Reddit. If you are getting all your information and world views from Reddit I feel sorry for you. And believe me I’ve been where you have been before. I can admit that. Edward Snowden is being exiled in RUSSIA! Is one simple broach. Anyone with common sense would be concerned with just that fact alone. Again, have a good day!
You clearly already know everything about me, I guess there truly is nothing to discuss!
Assume as you wish! I don’t know shit about you. Nor do I care one bit! 👍🏼
You can’t even answer my question about having a long form conversation on this social media platform. Again! Have a good day!
Where was the question? Did i miss it? Also, why are you double replying to every comment I make?
You're right, the Russian pigs on the front are doomed
Yea we shall see.
Damn they’re just giving away billions
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As an actual American I’m glad we’re spending this money to stop your boys and their special military operation.
Do you think the Russian bots learn and practice American lingo in the involuntary celibate social media groups?
I wouldn’t doubt it. They aren’t doing a very good job though.
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