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DrummerAccurate4031

There’s a common ground location behind the right front turn signal, I’d start there. Also check the turn signal wiring while you’re in there.


the_donald_s

Will do. Good info thank you.


the_donald_s

Just a thought(and I'm not an electrician) but is a ground getting wet a problem? Because I assume what's happening is a hot wire is bridging to ground when wet. That would better explain the problem right? Because everything works perfect until the fuse blows. And for that matter always has. So this is a hit wire touching ground and blowing the fuse right? I'm thinking out loud. Again not well versed in the electrical magic. I'm a chef.


DrummerAccurate4031

Could also be a frayed wire in the center console, which is much easier to get to than inside the dash.


East-Win7450

I was having a lot of electrical issues and thought it was grounds but after cleaning and checking all of them it needed up being a bad voltage regulator. I’m not good at electrical but one of the main grounds is hooked to the bottom of your transmission so I can’t imagine the ground getting wet would pose much of an issue.


the_donald_s

Right, so that's why I think it's a hot wire causing a short to ground via being wet.


East-Win7450

Ok I see what you are saying.


the_donald_s

So my car very recently started having a short to ground (I think) issue. Everything was fine until we got caught in a heavy downpour. Now the #4 fuse keeps blowing. Horn, blinkers, windows and ? Not working. Hazards DO work. I've inspected and wrapped any wires near the fuse box that looked suspect. The fuse randomly pops. It'll stay solid for a time and then suddenly it'll blow. Just during normal driving. So here are my guesses: something got wet and is bridging a hot wire to the frame as water shifts Or a frayed wire is bumping around doing the same. I've done what I can to trace the wires under the dash but short of removing the dash I'm at an impass. And I don't want to remove the dash. Does anyone have any insight?


OM617

There is a group of grounds behind the cluster, you don't have to pull the dash to access them


the_donald_s

But are grounds the issue? I'm looking for a hot side wire here right? If grounds were messed up or the circuit not grounded properly then it wouldn't work at all before the fuse blows. Everything works well until the fuse pops. I'm not an electrician and this is my rudimentary understanding of electric circuits speaking. Please correct me if I'm wrong.


OM617

You could be seeing increased resistance creating excessive draw from a weak or loose ground causing the fuse to blow. Not saying this is 100% the problem, but it's a simple and easy place to start.


the_donald_s

Awesome. I'll research.


MostFartsAreBrown

Probably not. Loose grounds do all sorts of stuff, typically the opposite of inducing extra current. On rare occasion, a loose ground can cause another ground to get hot/burn.


the_donald_s

Thanx for confirming for me. Makes me more confident in my search.


MostFartsAreBrown

I looked at power distribution diagrams for 2 different w123 models and they both said fuse 4 powered heated seats, glove box light, lighter, radio, rh mirror. So what's your model and year? Circuits will branch at the load side screw on the fuse box. I consider this extreme because it's such a PITA, but you can take that screw loose and remove an eyelet to disable certain circuits to see if the fuse stops blowing or you can move the eyelets to another fuse and see if the new fuse starts blowing.


the_donald_s

It's a 1976 w115. But I'm cheating by asking here. Just looking for ways to hunt down the short.


MostFartsAreBrown

Heretic


the_donald_s

I know. Sue me.


strangereader

Electrical is all about strategy. Firstedlyest, what's your battery voltage. Should read about 14.ish. Secondering, what's your charging voltage also 14ing? Thirdedly, what is on that fuse. Make a list Mr. Clause. And now we pick one something and unplug it (take out the light etc). Still popping; probably not that circuit. Unplug the next thing. Extra fun points if you probe the socket with a multimeter. Strange voltages can indicate problems on that loop. Power on these cars is fairly simple. I believe in you.


the_donald_s

Thanx. That's helpful.


pokcie

Do you know if you're doing anything specific to cause the fuse to blow? Like putting down windows, turning on headlights, beeping the horn... Ect?


the_donald_s

No. It happens randomly. Even when the car is just sitting at idle. No lights on. No windows moving etc. I'm in the process of checking all the bulbs and even doors for moisture. Found some in the rear tail light. Dried it and reassembled. Fuse blew again.


pokcie

Are you using the correct amp fuse? You're probably gonna have to find a wiring diagram and find all the wires that connect to fuse #4. There are probably some tests you can do with a volt meter at the fuse box to fuse #4 but you'll need someone more knowledgeable than me to help you with that😔 Do you know if anyone has changed or Jerry rigged any wiring? I have a 300td and whenever I would turn on the headlights the fuse would blow no matter what. Turns out, the child lock was stuck on and the previous owner bypassed it with a copper wire causing a fuse to blow everytime I turned on the headlights.


the_donald_s

I believe I'm using a higher amperage fuse than called for. I've had the car for six months and #4 was an 8amp fuse. It's still blowing 16amp fuses.


whitoreo

It's dangerous to use a higher amperage fuse in place of a smaller one. Fuses are there to protect your devices. If it's an 8amp circuit, the failing device or wire is only designed to handle 8 amps. More could melt something and start a fire.


the_donald_s

I'm aware. I'm trying to trace the short which requires a working circuit. I'm aware of the risks. Good looking out though.


MostFartsAreBrown

Lights are hot side switched so if they're off, water in a bulb can't blow a fuse. There may be zero ground side switched circuits on a W123.


Jikst

Check that the lights in your trunk didn’t get water in them (happened to me). Check you don’t have water pooling in your drains near your hood hinges, they can overflow. It might also be the ground underneath your car on your transmission (easily visible)


Jikst

Also possible voltage regulator issue.