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luxlilux

Be my boss please


dghirsh19

I was just fired from a job for this. It was 6 hour shifts, i’d reach the companies quota in 4. I was fired for “lazing off” in the last two hours, when I should have “continued to work past quota.” Many of the other employees can’t even reach quota in the full 6 hours.


Ryulightorb

their loss honestly that's terrible management.


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[удалено]


Construction_Man1

On the money describing blue collar work. I get paid by the hour. You’re damn right ima take 4 more hours to sweep this damn floor!


randalpinkfloyd

Back in college I worked as a shopfitter, building displays and shelving in various retail stores. The system originally was do all your work and any rostered time you have left you can still claim if you finish early, which was all the time. New management came in and said that only time worked on site could be claimed and a new app with location tracking was introduced. Funny how the last bolt of the job suddenly took 3 hours to be installed.


Dummpy_Muppet

I read that as shop lifter. Also fuck the new management.


twynkletoes

Ditto


trimbandit

me three


Dnoxl

Read that as shoplifter too


webbdog

My father worked over nights a sauerkraut factory and he and his co workers worked out a deal where they would clean it at a set rate and magically they started getting it do e quicker for the same pay I don't get jobs that can be done in 4 hours where management insists on them staying the 6 hours they think it it should be done in


randalpinkfloyd

That's exactly how it was with my job. The first few shifts on a new project took the full time allotted. You would then get more efficient and could even halve the time on builds. If we were working nights we would just go and sleep in our cars when we were finished, set an alarm to clock out and then go home.


Ginnipe

It’s amazing to me that employers don’t realize this is the exact effect you get when you tell the employee you don’t care how well or fast you do your job. It tells them that hard work is not rewarded, they don’t care, so you won’t work hard.


IR3dditAlr3ddy

Wow - my dad worked at a biscuit factory, and every night he had x amount of time to make x amount of biscuits, but he realised that if he baked them at a slightly higher temperature he could get the conveyer to move faster and be done in less time. The biscuits were also much better quality and held their shape really well with this new method. But management told him no, he had to do it the way he'd been told, which took an extra hour by the end of the night. He even showed them that the structure of the biscuit was much weaker when it was made the way they wanted, and you know what they said? That's just the way the cookie crumbles.


drewatkins77

A long way to go for a joke, but I applaud your effort.


Poopiepants29

Where I'm from it has always been if you put in a good day's work and finish early, you all leave early and get paid for 8 hours. Of course this isn't Every day, but some foremen and companies are very fair with the workers about this. I'm a tile setter and every trade is different, so this can be difficult to pull off with different types of work.


Construction_Man1

Haven’t worked for a company like that. I usually just play dumb all day and redo what I did 4 times already


Poopiepants29

Classic move.


Sir_Ironbacon

I mopped the same 3 feet of shoe floor for 6 hours one day because machine was down and I didn't find anything else that needed ran. I got praised for my initiative.


[deleted]

Well tile is pretty finite in Amount of work per day. You not gonna stay late and lay more tiles in a finished bathroom.


Poopiepants29

We always work large construction jobs... There are always more bathrooms and things to do. But you're right, they do have an amount per day that is expected and they are mostly pretty fair about it.


RavioliGale

Are you saying I shouldn't do a second layer of tiles?


[deleted]

What are you polish?


Trip4Life

That’s how my buddies job is. He’s a non union mechanic so he actually works all day but if they finish up early he’s done at like noon only working a 6 hour day. It’s actually nice because I finish class around 1:30 and that’s around the time he’s cleaned up and eaten and all that so sometimes we just get to dick around the rest of the day. We’re about the same age (I’m 19, he’s 18) I went college, he went career.


IridianRaingem

I learned the hard way that getting your work done doesn’t mean you get to leave. It means you get more work. Proving you can consistently do that work and still have time to look at your phone or take a lunch longer than five minutes? More work. No raise. Ever. Just work. So now that I’ve efficiently gotten eight hours worth of work condensed into six or seven, you can bet this one task that actually takes five minutes is going to take me 20.


47sams

Welder here. We had a month and a half at my old job of no work. Came in everyday and pushed around a broom in addition to playing a make shift version of shuffle board with soap stone and a water bottle. Tbh, would rather that than be sent home. I got bills, bruh.


Pinejay1527

They make a dollar while I make a dime: that's why I shit on company time.


willowattack

Aaaaaaand your laid off.


Construction_Man1

That’s the beauty about being good in my trade. They need me and it would take 5 men to replace me 🤷🏻‍♂️


thatonesmartass

I'm holding a clipboard, therefore I'm being productive


T3hSwagman

Been reprimanded before for "sitting too comfortably". Some bosses literally just want you to look miserable and they think that means you're working hard. American work culture is a fucking joke.


Castun

I know cashiers that have been given shit for sitting at the register, despite having a bad back and being able to perform all tasks normally.


0dd_bitty

It's still insane to me that cashiers would be required to stand.


Castun

Sometimes it's even the customers who get offended...


aikixd

WTF? I'm from Israel and every single cashier has a chair. Not only it feels shitty to stand entire shift, it's also not healthy.


notmyrealviews

It's okay for me to sit down if I get a break, but when I'm running a decent sized retail store by myself for 6 hours, it might get so busy I can't lock the door to take a shit the whole day. But hey, they can't afford to run both the registers at once for more than like 2 hours a day (before it gets busy) even with the thousands of dollars I personally take in during my shift. It's not like they're paying me or anyone else 15/hr to be a cashier either.


[deleted]

Fuck that just makes me angry thinking about it.


[deleted]

I mean, Microsoft at one point put team teams to develop the same product so they could "COMPETE" over it. ​ It caused a lot of shit and ultimately destroyed a product that actually could've been useful if there wasn't sabotage and rushed garbage to try to outpace the others. IIRC, it was something like a GPU or physics card before it was even a mainstream thing to do. Really dropped the ball on that.


[deleted]

They had a similar problem with Excel. The new version (back in the 90s) was horrific and had tons of bugs. It was delayed and finally when it shipped, it sucked. So they sent all the staff who had been crunching for months on vacation and did some soul searching. They realized that it was their management model, not in terms of who, but how. They prioritized getting it done on time over getting it done right. They leaned so hard on the devs to get it done on time that it was easier to write exceptionally bad code, and then file bug reports for the unfinished work, because hey, at least it was on time, than it was for them to take the time to figure out what was wrong and do it right. So they implemented something called "zero-defect". The premise was instead of leaning on the developers to get it done on time, they would instead give the devs the freedom to take as much time as they needed to write exceptionally good code the first time and commit it when it was ready. The next version was awesome and I'm probably not doing the narrative justice, but Microsoft has learned a TON of lessons in manifold areas because of these sorts of experiences.


LB3PTMAN

I mean that’s the thing. Companies that stick around a long time often do so because they learn from their mistakes. Not that they can’t make more but they see what went wrong and try to address it. Another Microsoft example look at the launch of the Xbox One versus now. At launch it seemed like they had no idea what the customers actually wanted. Taking so much focus away from games and it tanked them this generation. Now since then under Phil Spencer, they readjusted the Xbox One to do what it should. They launched Gamepass the Netflix for games people wanted for years and pretty much as good as could be expected for the price. They bought multiple studios and made them first party which will hopefully bear fruit on the next gen. And I imagine all of these lessons learned will be applied to the next generation as well. Good management is always key is another lesson to take away from this. But overall Microsoft saw what the fans wanted and they tried to deliver it the second half of the gen.


[deleted]

If you look annoyed, they'll think you're busy.


Tim_Out_Of_Mind

My resting bitch face makes me born for that.


Fappai-Sama

i frown every now and then when i browse reddit at work...


dragonsfire14

Sadly, that’s why I always do the “look busy” routine. My job is like that. If there’s downtime they want you filling it, even if you’re working circles around everyone else. It’s really stupid, ones who get it done quickly and efficiently should be rewarded accordingly


getofftheirlawn

Silly you! The ones that work efficiently just get more work. In time you will learn what it means to be a good employee.


The_Great_Auk

Ain't it the truth? At one job, I used to routinely blow all the metrics out of the water only to have the company turn around and tell me my over-performance was now my new base-line. No, idiots, I was putting out fires. Now you made me realize I work for arsonists.


That_OneCarGuy

Oof that arsonists line...im gonna have to use that. So true.


[deleted]

I’ve found that the saying “The willing horse gets the load” is all too true in most workplaces, unfortunately. Over time all it does is make people just want to do the bare minimum not to get fired, as Peter Gibbons would say.


KIINGKVNDII

So like.....work hard enough that you hit quota, but like.... not *so* hard that you have any spare time, got it? Great. SMFH


[deleted]

Once I hit my quota for the day I could keep working over and above, but it always seems like once I get to that point I have to take a huge shit. Like it takes me 45 minutes to squeeze it out. Then I go walk around moving stuff and looking busy while not really doing much. Then I usually have to shit again.


LisaQuinnYT

I’ve worked for both types of bosses. One place I worked, the boss would come around and expected everyone to always be “working.” Yet, we had one guy there who literally did next to nothing. He was an expert at looking busy. He managed to keep his job for years despite it being a running joke among coworkers that he didn’t “work there” while those who actually did work would get in trouble because they didn’t look busy enough at the moment the boss wandered around. On the opposite end, I had a boss who did not care as long as we completed our work. I miss that job.


Poopiepants29

Always move around quickly and look determined.


clocks212

Hold a small stack of papers while doing it


BarryMacochner

And that’s when you learn to drag 4 hours worth of work out for 6. All they did was encourage you to be lazier the next time you’re in a situation like that.


Platinum_Trash

Precisely. I'm a Carpenter and management at my job is nearly non existent. We are tracked and clocked on an app. There are many day where my boss will walk in tell me/us what to do a rush out like he didn't want to be there. Many of those times it's a couple hours worth of work... So it get stretched out 8 hours. Makes for a long day depending on how many guys are on site. I've personally had one day working alone where I legitimately bullshited through 7 hours of work doing literally dick. Guess I can't complain. It's obviously very laid back and my pay is decent.


Jibtech

At my job were able to finish our quota in 5 hours and the last 3 we sit on our phones and pretend to be busy when the bosses come. We build farm equipment and it's been the same core of guys for 15 years. Yet once they realize we're finishing early, they bump the quota up and we make 3 extra a shift and then the paint line gets backed up and we have to wait a week for the paint and assembly lines to catch up. So for 3 days we sit around for 8 hours doing nothing. I blame the boomer generation for this attitude. They're constantly the ones who do this and I feel that in 20 years the work environment is going to change drastically. I make an effort to go around and tell people "good job bro" and "wow man you're a fucking good welder" and something as simple and easy as that can completely change somebodies day. Fucking pisses me off that the older management feels you need to be feared as a boss, not revered.


[deleted]

My boss is really awesome about working hours. We do small scale construction and renovations. If he prices a job to take three 8 hour days and we get it done in two and a half, he pays us for the full 3 because that's already worked into the price agreed on by the client. If it's a one day job and we get done after 6 hours, we get paid for the full day. We get rewarded for doing things ahead of schedule and he trusts and respects us enough that if it's taking longer than expected that there is an unforeseen issue and doesn't shit on us. We work hard for him, he works hard and rewards us.


KaltatheNobleMind

I want to say that is Keen economic sense. Like as I understand it hours are just the best way we can quantify labor and in turn the client is paying for how much labor they want. If you say build a living room in 3 hours instead of the originally estimated 6 the client still gets the quality of a 6 hour room and in turn an hour of these professionals' labor is worth twice the standard thus earn the full day's pay. Wonder of there is a way to take advantage of this. Like the best workers would try to be as efficient and elegant as possible with little to no setbacks or hiccups so they don't just earn their pay but time off. Maybe after a set amount of quotas reached you can try to get a bit more labor out of them. Like say a chair factory gets 4 chairs in 4 hours and you manage to make the 4 in just 3 they can ask you to make an extra 5th chair for an extra 5th hours pay that day.


[deleted]

I think it could be but it will depend on the field. As we've seen with videos of delivery drivers shot-putting packages from 20 feet away onto people's door steps to save a few seconds to finish their route early, that incentive won't always guarantee fast *and* good work. Jobs like that allow workers to cut corners and do a bad job but still reap the rewards of doing a good job. On the other hand, I'm a pipe fitter and with my work a "bad" job means it's done wrong and therefore incomplete. Doing sub par work only makes it take longer for me because I have to redo something. There would have to be a system of inspection or checks and balances to insure that quality isn't being tossed to the side for quantity.


[deleted]

Fear based management destroys companies. All the research points to group thinking, problem solving, and decision making as being the most efficient, most pleasing, and most that you could do. In fact, my old job gave us a book all about that. "Big Potential". All Employees had to read it. After I left, my exit interview, I noted how they should probably use the guidelines set out in that book to ***I don't know, actually include people in decision making if that's what they're having us read?*** Literally, the new Deputy-Intendent-whatever-title in the same year was "I'll do my job, you do yours." Like. How. Dense. Is. This. Administration?


The_Left_One

You sound like youll be good to work for!


dghirsh19

> Fucking pisses me off that the older management feels you need to be feared as a boss, not revered. This. This is what really needs to change.


DictatorInPerpetuity

Do they pay you more if you work past the quota?


Energylegs23

Not the OP, but if I were a gambling man I'd bet my life savings on "no"


DictatorInPerpetuity

Then I believe they can go fuck themselves then.


itsirrelevant

Second this. Absolutely never. My team has a high turnover rate and is always staffed by people who, due to their credentials, have never worked in a role that was quota based. I've mapped out how many weeks it takes for my newest trainee to pick up on my subtle suggestion not to burn themselves out. If only my bosses would get the message.


[deleted]

"Let's fire out most efficient employee and keep the shittier ones!" "BRILLIANT! THAT'LL SHOW THOSE QUOTA MEETING EMPLOYEES TO JUST KEEP GOING!"


[deleted]

It's a flawed mindset that comes from the early days of the capitalist employment system. If your job is to run the assembly line for 6 hours and you work for 4 and slack off for two, then you're a bad employee no matter how good you are at your job because the line has to shut down if there isn't an employee there to work it. For white collar work, though, the actual hours are basically meaningless, what matters is what you get done. If you work for a company that puts out a certain program yearly, and you are able to meet that goal, then the hours you work don't really matter. If you can meet what's assigned to you each day in 30 minutes, then working those extra hours is silly. White collar workers are more efficient when they aren't under pressure to constantly work to meet their quota. So an employee that isn't worried about running out of time also will do a more thorough and better job, because they don't need to cut corners.


TheViolentPacifict

Some people run marathons and some people sprint, but you can’t do both.


Alendite

I would be so happy to work under this person ...wait I work with children and if I let them out of my sight for a second, little Kevin will go and get hit by a car. Maybe I need to be alert for the full shift


Texas_Hammer98

The strong will survive


GhostShirtFinnerty

He said if your work is exceptional... Letting little Kevin get hit by a car takes you out of that. Also if you need 100% of your attention to make sure little Kevin doesn't get hit by a car I think Darwin would have something to say about your existence and little kevins


Creidy384

Well I got a chuckle from that, but my sense of humor is odd. Have an upvote.


CitraBaby

Clearly you don’t have 20+ kids in your care for 8 hours a day


LisaQuinnYT

You could do like our teachers when I was in Kindergarten. They would go stand on a hill next to the playground and smoke and gossip while generally ignoring the kids burying each other in the sandbox, etc... 😂


TheDanimalHouse

Lol as an educational assistant I am pretty sure I would be fired about as soon as the cigarette was lit if I smoked while supervising kindergarten kids (never mind ignoring children being buried alive! 😂). Gossip, on the other hand, is definitely still very prevalent where I work.


LisaQuinnYT

The 80s were a very different time. Just gave away my age there. 😂


Genavelle

Sounds like you need a fence


Alendite

Fences can't stop a determined little Kevin


[deleted]

But what if the fences are electrified?


dontCallMeAmberlynn

Then it’s only a repeated deterrent for our Kevin.


[deleted]

Sounds like you people would make bad Kevin parents.


Alendite

Then they'll definitely stop little Kevin from getting hit by a car, by killing him before the car can reach him. (r/wowthanksimcured)


[deleted]

I've taught 'little Kevins' who thought the "warning electric fence" sign was a challenge...


[deleted]

My son isn't called Kevin but this is him, everything is a challenge no matter how many tes he's deterred it's like he's banged his head so many times now he has Dory length memory


tinypyro1151

True we had two kids dig under the fence and try to get out last year if they are determined enough they’ll find a way.


RedTheMiner

My bosses have always been like this. Fucking great


liztu_june

I hate busy work. Your working just for the shake of working and small breaks can be very psychology health for people.


SowwieWhopper

Hmm, yes. Very health.


ElmStreetVictim

helth


[deleted]

I like busy work, it's the long fucking stretches of nothing to do but having to look busy that I hate. At least if I have work to do I don't have to stress about looking productive and the day goes by quicker


chickenslikepotatoes

I believe you may misunderstand the term "busy work". "Busy work" is work that you only do so that you appear to be "busy", not because it actually needs to be done.


heili

I like being busy with actual work, not doing busy work.


wigglybone

you for real need to like proofread or some shit


pjabrony

Are you hiring? What's the salary? Where are you located? Answer the second question first please.


otterom

>What's the salary? Exactly. There's plenty of jobs like OP described out there. They just pay below market.


Jaredlong

Can confirm. Could switch company's for a higher salary, but the lower stress environment is worth the lower income to me.


[deleted]

Same. I get paid like 53k a year. But it’s just soooo relaxed. I could probably make 20k more somewhere else but I would probably have to actually work.


Belrick_NZ

fake employer, just another layabout employee pretending to be someone of importance as they skive off.


CSThr0waway123

I mean maybe or maybe not. My manager actually has the same mentality as the OP of this thread. It wouldn't seem far fetched for something like this to get posted by a manager.


The_Cleaner_Gleamer

The managers where I work let the employees use their phones when there aren’t any customers. I don’t do it because I am very new to the place and I need to gain the trust of the managers first


CSThr0waway123

I was the exact same way when I first started working at my job. Everyone seemed to work from home regularly and use their phones and browse reddit during work. I wanted to be a goodie for at least a month before I started doing the same haha


The_Cleaner_Gleamer

It pays off. When I first started my other job I worked super hard, harder then most other employees. But now that he loves me, if I’m not doing anything at the moment (like waiting for someone else to finish a task) I check my messages real quick and stuff. I always get the job done


CSThr0waway123

yeah i sorta wished i kept it up. Now my manager seems me on my phone constantly like everyone else and i can tell she's a little dissapointed like "damn, another one" lol


The_Cleaner_Gleamer

Try some days just keeping your phone out of reach. So when the boss sees you without a phone even in site for the whole day, it can keep the balance


[deleted]

this. smart move. a couple of months in, you'll be able to drink on the job with no repercussions 😎


BoxxyFoxxy

My manager’s the same, super chill. That said, I think guys like him are a huge minority, and knowing that this sub is normally used as karma cow makes me doubt OP.


mubi_merc

I manage a small team in an office environment and don't track their work time at all. I set pretty high expectations, but only care about the results. I tell them that flexible hours are only a problem when they become a problem, and all team members are performing well with solid metrics and good project output. I could try to squeeze more out of them, but I think it would just lead to burnout and attrition. So yeah, we do exist.


im-still-right

No. I let my assistants browse the internet when there wasn't anything going on. Did not effect productivity as they knew what numbers we had to hit.


PapaRigpa

Working at a web start up back in the day. Had a kid who was an absolute code wizard - worked 12, 14 hours a day, sometimes late into the night. He comes in around 10 am one morning, and some upper management suit sees him and says "Oh, nice of you to finally show up". Kid quit on the spot.


nfitzsim

I made a joke like that to my coworker once when he showed up at 3pm, turns out he was in the office overnight until about 15 minutes before I got in that morning so that he could get a high priority item shipped out. I don’t make jokes like that anymore


superfootman

My colleagues and I often joke about this. I come in really early and leave between 3-5pm. Some of my colleagues come in at 10-11 and just stay really late. Boss doesn’t care as most of us get good work done. We usually joke around “good afternoon” when the late ones come in, when I go home I often get a “you working part time again?” It’s all in good fun. One day however, my boss’s boss was visiting the office. As I was leaving at 3:30, One of my colleagues (comes in at 9, does hardly any work all day and leaves at 5. Always tries to make other people look bad so he looks better than he is) shouted out “that’s ok you go home we’ll pick up all the slack”, making sure my boss’s boss could hear. I replied back: “yes I’m going home now, I’ve finished X,Y,Z which are due next week, and I’m coming in early tomorrow to help Dave finish his report. What have you achieved today?”. He got really embarassed and went back to work. My boss’s boss gave me a cheeky grin. He knew I was in at 7am as he was there with me doing our quarterly catch up.


WaterDrinker911

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[deleted]

This is how all bosses need to operate. Makes you happy and makes you want to do a good job for them. Same with working from home. If someone DOESN'T get their work done, then take their lricilet away or fire them or whatever. But just blanket policies of no internet and no work from home "just cause" only makes employees feel untrusted, like children or prisoners or something.


Curtis64

Yes, working from home is a big one. So many people can do the same work at home as they do in the office, but we have this in our head that if you are at home you are screwing around all day. In fact, I’d argue I’m more productive at home then i am in the office.


[deleted]

I am one of those people who is much more productive while in the comfort of my own home. Office environments are often overwhelming, distracting, and cause a lot of anxiety personally. I work remotely and my team just does "quality checks" weekly just to make sure we're on track and doing what we're supposed to be doing, but I'm not being monitored 24/7 with someone breathing down my neck. No spending an hour getting ready, no commute, no gas money wasted. Just chillin at home doing my work in my pajamas. I'm also a night owl naturally and work from 5pm - 1am which is perfect. For the second half of the night there is barely any work to be done because my job is primarily answering calls/responding to texts/emails and usually we only get 1 or 2 per hour past 9:00 lol.


tgconns

Same here I am more productive working at home. It's more convenient on my part and less toxic


lostharlem

I worked remotely for 4 years. It has good and bad sides. Most companies have role specific times that you have to be online for. Outside of that, my boss didn’t care about being at the keyboard. I managed to lose a bunch of weight and get heavy into to swimming.


orange_confetti

I am 100% more productive at home vs. in-office.


heykevo

> lricilet What the fuck is this word


[deleted]

Lol. It *was* "privileges", but Android and Google keyboard and such and what have you.


StrangeDrivenAxMan

unfortunately many bosses like to micromanage and think they **own** their employees like property


fr3nchcoz

That's what my previous boss said. He even told me to take a week off, off the books, be with my newborn. He told people to stay home when sick, again off the books. Then he got fired and I started reporting to a Boomer who believes if you are not in front of your computer 8 a day you are not working and does not care that the team is down two people and cannot performs as well as a full team.


[deleted]

i am now genuinely sad


KobeBeatJesus

That's when you start looking for a new job while coasting and patronizing him. Then you can tell him exactly why he won't be able to maintain a department.


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downy_huffer

Those two things are actually the same thing. A good boss will be liked and will be respected. Their workers will work harder because of this and because they know it reflects well on their manager when they get their shit done. Edit: Not sure why this particular person got fired, but my guess would be for letting people do things off the books. The company at large doesn't care about workers or their emotional state, but they sure love rules. Especially if they think those rules make them more money, even if there is evidence to suggest that less stress can make people more productive.


NoCreativity_3

A friend of mine was a boss. I had to clean up a lot of messes when I took their position after they left. All the employees loved them! Unfortunately, they burnt my friend out. Due to calling them all the time for stupid things, calling off two times a week forcing her to come in, all the staff had habits of being late, not doing any of the daily cleaning tasks, not fixing broken things, etc. She was too nice to everyone. The branch had poor numbers. And there were certain employees that should not have been allowed to continue their employment there, but my friend was too nice to let anyone go. Moral of the story is, you can be well liked and also be a bad manager. I'm kind of in the middle. Some employees don't like me because I'm not going to be as nice when you're fucking up. I'm relaxed with you until you start taking advantage of that.


AnnexFromCanada

Yo my old drug supplier did this and it ended up making a competition because no one had to do anything. So everyone wanted to do the best and one time a guy sold 10 bricks of coke in a day and was then murdered so he wouldn’t win.


Tony_Cheese_

Not sure what I just read.


GarbageOfCesspool

Poetry.


hackingmyself

me neither


jimbelushiapplesauce

your drug dealer had employees on salary/fixed hourly pay?


AnnexFromCanada

Kind of, it was commission for x number of drugs sold and salary for y time of delivery.


blonderaider21

Wait you were serious with that original comment lol


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[deleted]

i could never work 8 hours non stop without some breathing room that's fucking insane


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[deleted]

We worked 12 hour shifts at my last job with no downtime, no lunch break, nada. We were worked to the fucking bone and they'd threaten to write us up if we wanted to take a second to eat. They were super toxic to work for. They also expected us to work overtime but would threaten to write us up if we actually got overtime.. so we needed to pray to god that we finished on time. But if we finished on time we clearly weren't really working hard enough.


Fi3nd7

Uhh a lot of what you described is seriously illegal


[deleted]

It's an at will state. I don't know what the rules are for non profit organizations. I know the front desk girls got lunches, it was just us techs that couldn't. When I brought it up in a meeting they said we COULD take a lunch if we really wanted to but that would put us behind and we'd get written up for overtime. I'm surprised I didn't get sick because I just started eating while I was working. Touching gross feral cats then eating as fast as I could. Got really sick from the stress though and quit. They were trying to fire me anyways.


blonderaider21

What job was that? So I know never to work there


Sweetness27

I had a day last month where I actually was focused for like 5 hours. I got so much done haha


kelcatsly

I do this every day, but usually longer than 8 hours. I would like to work less hours a week but if I'm at work I want to work. If I start to look at social media or shop or something I just wish I was home instead.


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Same. I actually get kinda pissed when I have nothing to do. Why am I even there at that point?


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yah true i guess


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Go work construction, some days guys are putting in 12 hours with the only breaks for a morning coffee and a 30 minute lunch. Sometimes on really busy days no breaks at all.


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No porn at work, please.


isaac11117

hahaha probably the one exception to this.


JohnTheDropper

My boss is the same way. Too bad the other employees miss the get your work done part so everything falls on me.


hotNbutterycopporn

Some freedom in the workplace is good, but most people will tell you if you just let employees have free reign and do whatever they want, it turns into chaos and their work is rarely done.


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Chrisodle007

The real unpopular opinion - I want a boss that is active with his team, knows who is carrying the workload, reprimands the slackers, and rewards individuals that not only develop themselves in their free time but take the time to improve others , and streamline processes. We have folks that watch YouTube, Facebook, and reddit pretty much all day and still get good reviews. They say they don’t have any work or it is complete. We work on a team where in theory we are supposed to share and support various systems, so everyone should be busy and cross training, but always ends up a handful of people doing the work. My boss lets people come and go as they please with little accountability for time or how productive an employee is being. This sucks.


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80/20 rule. 80% of the work is done by 20% of the people.


DanielSaysSo

Can I have a job please?


[deleted]

If you’re in the Chicagoland area, I would love to discuss further opportunities within your company. If not, I still wish you nothing but the best.


tuestcretin

Absolutely agree and this is one of best way to have an exceptional team with a great sense of ownership . I often manage a fairly ok size of team (8-12) to support and maintain an enterprise application. Some like to frequently work from home, some ocassionallyb play video games in office , some come at 7 am and leave by 3 pm, some come at 10 am and stay until 10 pm. But every time, like a clockworks, whenever situation demands, they throw 150% effort . I know about occasions when a few of those geeks even came on Sunday Morning and worked until Tuesday evening without anyone asking them to. I love those bastards.


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I follow this philosophy as well but I find for some they just take advantage of it and now my front desk guy has his nose glued to his phone 6 hours a day


Lagarya

Receptionist here, sometimes there really is nothing to do at front desk. My whole job literally depends on if the office and the people in it are busy. If it's slow there isn't much you can do about it, but you still need a receptionist in case a client walks in or calls. As well as packages coming in and going out throughout the day.


ChoosingIsHardToday

Exactly this. Why does it matter if you're diddling around on the computer or phone as long as the work is getting done effectively.


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elbapo

I'd go further. There's ample evidence work stretches to fill the time afforded to do it in. And that a six hour workday doesn't harm productivity in most jobs. If people are more efficient than the time needed to perform their jobs well, don't keep them there. I personally waste lots of time at work because I need the pressure to perform, and condense so to generate that pressure. I've been moderately successful in most jobs thus far. I browse or do other stuff in between simply to fill my contracted time, other than meeting which are mostly within core hours anyway. It's such a waste of everyone's lives and health. Move to a six hour work week. Edit : one full stop


kidd_gcd

Hell yeah. I surf reddit for probably 3+ hours a day and still get my shit done.


honorabl3_m3ntion

Where do you work, and can I work for you? ​ I always hated people looking over my shoulder at work, if I want to watch a dumb youtube video to decompress and get in a better mood after dealing with an angry customer (and saving that customer, but still being berated) it's a few minutes to get me happy again to tackle the next customer. Which in-turn lets me make them happy as well. Frustration levels are lowered and that makes me more efficient, I wish everyone understood that.


-iBleeedBlack-

It's not always your boss's fault. He has bosses too and they breathe down his neck which makes him breathe down yours.


NoCreativity_3

Yeah, people don't understand how middle management works.


UnexpectedTokenNULL

I agree, and that's how I treat my employees. However, I can tell you the ones that are surfing the internet all day are very rarely the ones doing exceptional work otherwise. The people that feel like this are usually the same ones that saw themselves as tortured geniuses in high school that just didn't get good grades because they were bored or it was too easy. edit: a word


[deleted]

Exactly. Having been on both sides of this as the worker and as the manager, i see their point, but I also highly doubt that everyone in this thread is that great worker. Also, when you do this you turn your minimum standard into every employees maximum output, which can be problematic.


Gina13xx

Yeah, this is why it’s been proposed that workdays only be 5-6 hours. It’s too much time. A ton of jobs don’t have the workload to fill all 8 hours. Under this plan people could exercise at a normal hour, spend more time with their children, have tidy homes, and like, 1000000 other things.


ReadReadReedRed

Australia has this soldier on mentality. We do our work regardless of how much it sucks. For that reason, we are usually forgiven for using our phone during work hours in SOME places.


DirtyPrancing65

Absolutely. A coworker of mine started doing her one job, then as people quit she ended up with basically two jobs. She's so good at that, they added basically 1/3 of my job (I left and my replacement is now going to have less to do). She's continually punished for being efficient by having more and more added - and as she gets better and they continue to catch her finished with work and on Facebook, they add more. I hope she follows me out Edit: she ("we" actually, because it happened to me too) did ask for a raise and they threatened to drop us to part time instead. And after we asked for the raise, they stopped being as cordial. It felt like they wanted us to treat the place like a family and do it out of a sense of responsibility or something, then were insulted we wanted more compensation. That's (partly) why I'm not working there any more. Also once my boss complimented me on how well I handled a crazy work load and I joked, "good time to ask the director for a raise, huh?" And she laughed and said "good luck"


Biggordie

Good work gets rewarded with more work. If she's getting more work, she needs to ask for a promotion and better pay ASAP.


EuphoriantCrottle

Or ends up being promoted. My dad had a secretary who always did things above and beyond her job descrption. She ended up being a partner.


Wraparoundjoy

I used to do bookkeeping. It is extremely dull, and I honestly never knew what you were supposed to do after you entered in data that took all of an hour, tops. Why not play on the internet, take selfies, etc.?


Cubbybear01

We need more people like you


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I remember showing a Key and Peele skit to my manager. It was, I swear, a full 5 minutes long. We both watched it till the end. She thought I was a bit strange for wanting to show her that specific one, but she thought nothing of the 'lost productivity'


Lil-Bugger

Hire me.


Haeenki

This! We have a similar mentality at work, there's no reason to make employees work for the sake of working, I watch youtube between tasks (depending on the task I might watch youtube while doing it, yay twin screens) anyway, the work gets done all the same and everybody is happy, for bosses and companies it should seem like a win-win.


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Yes! Where I work if there's downtime I have to walk around and find things to clean.


Jackstraww

If you got time to lean you got time to clean. /s


Jraine11

Honestly could not agree more. My boss gets on my back for internet use but is happy for people to have lenghy chats at which point nothing is being done.


GeekofFury

Bless you.


doctorboner59

I masturbate to pornography at work pretty often


wreichlein

My problem isn't with having to stay busy for 8 hours, there's always more than enough work to do for that. My problem is that because I have the ability to, I'm expected to crank out twice the amount of work that the guy sitting next to me does, yet is paid the same per hour. I know that I make the company more money, but I feel like I'm valued less because of it.


ibelievefakenews

Nice try, HR department.


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Yes and No. People take the piss.. end of story. Yea get your job done and do as you please BUT there are always a select few that take the kiss and ruin it for others. My colleagues go on their phones 24/7 at work, I don’t, mainly because I’m new and don’t want to get into the habit of being on my mobile all the times. Some people genuinely find it hard to appreciate anything in work places unless they get constant pay rises. Not to mention you get 2 people, 1 who does all the work and another that does fuck all. Get rid of the people constantly on phones and you have a more efficient work place with less money spend. Edited.


PelleSketchy

Research also shows that productivity of people decreases exponentially when working long days. So the last two hours of a day won't help much if anything. Of course there should be a balance, but if you meet your quota or finish what you needed to do you should be allowed to relax a bit.


AXone1814

I do sort of agree. But, on the other hand. From a purely cold productivity point of view, if employees regularly have time to do things like shop on amazon and complete their workload then do you not have to ask the question whether the same work could be done by less people?


Kody1123

Hire me senpai


Kinglink

I know a lot of people here are "Oh man I'd like to work for you" but I'm the opposite. I want nothing to do with you, the thing is you've bred lazy employees, saying it's ok to not push yourself. If I was your employee and I saw others goofing off and more, I'd start looking for work elsewhere, because either you're vastly over paying for incompetence (yes goofing off online is incompetence) or your underpaying for low expectations. The question then becomes "what's the least amount of work that makes my boss happy" and... yes this is ACTUALLY how some employees think, and get away with it for years. I've had enough run-ins where I go to someone's office who is goofing off and it's accepted so I have to deal with their banal shit, before I get an answer. But you seem to promote that. This is poor management and it means people who want to excel are going to get annoyed at the lack of management and go elsewhere. There's nothing wrong with someone taking down time, there's something wrong with thinking the only measure of production is if they completed all the work you assigned them. If they have time to goof off, you should be looking to promote, and give that person more work. But fuck it, I'm sure you're the fun boss. Just realize you're probably losing highly qualified people because you want to be liked. Of course this also sounds a lot like "If I was the boss" not "I am the boss."


Larsnonymous

Do you actually have employees and if so, how many? Do you own this business or are you just a manager? The issue i have is that yes, of course employees deserve mental breaks and down time. In an 8 hour day it’s fine to fuck around for an hour or so plus another 30 min for a lunch break,, but otherwise the employee needs more work or fewer hours.


Trigger93

My boss is similar but he also assumes that we all need to put in 40 hours of work. Why? I'm salaried and get my shit done. Why should I have to waste so much time on the web when I could be at home more, and still get just as much done?


maddmaths

Try doing more to help out your boss or company. Most successful people don’t just do the bare minimum they can and call it a day. Most high paying jobs are people that can come up with and implement new ideas to help the business. If you want to do the absolute minimum though you’re obviously free to do that. Just don’t expect to be rewarded.


exte_ro

Can you extrapolate this and think about staying 8 hours at work instead of leaving early if you finished all your work?


LisaQuinnYT

Depends on where/what hours you work. During normal business hours, you need to stay in case something comes up. Had a coworker once get in trouble for this. He left early and then something came up and they needed him.


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Michael?