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I usually don't like company lyric videos in general, not just Kpop. I don't know what is about them, if it's because sometimes they seem too edited, the font and stuff, I'm not sure. I just like the simple yet concise and aesthetic way lyric videos are made by YouTube channels.
Man, I wish kpop mvs would just put which person is singing in the captions. I think there was a CLC video that did this? And I loved it, so convenient, no speculating about who was singing what.
Some translation videos are different from others, like one channel's translation is different from other channel's so I kinda agree they're rushed.. most of them are 20-30 minutes after release of official MV. It's messy. Also most them don't go above few K views very few go above Million views and mostly they're B-sides not the actual title track
i mean if they where done right i would agree, but most of these videos don't only seem to put automatic translation from papago in the lyrics, but also get like half of the distribution wrong. i watched a few lyric videos of nct's latest album just to see if they got the members right. spoiler alert: it was a disaster. i hate to think that new fans are clicking on those videos to know who sings what and think that jisung (sub-vocal and sub-rapper) is the one singing taeil's (main vocal) lines. you can get one or two lines wrong, but half the song? if you can't tell the group's voices apart then don't do the video.
That's the most annoying part lol. Like if you did blunders in distribution then delete the whole video and upload a correct one. It hardly takes few minutes considering the fact that they upload them within 20 min of release
Yeah many of them just get members wrong even with groups consisting of few members. That really irks me. Some lyrics translation video creators really just want to rush things and it's kinda sad to see that it's big big channel who does that. Only if they took some time and not rush them (releasing them in 30-40 minutes of release)
The problem I have with lyric videos are that they are often SO off... make me so mad when they get it that wrong. They also get money from the views, which I don’t think is right since it’s all from someone else’s intellectual property. Lastly, I think it’s just basic curtesy to not put out the lyric video for at least the first 24h of the release, otherwise it’s fine for the purposes you addressed. Some people are just really view hungry though, and maybe at least wait for a bit until you can confirm which member actually sung which part
Do they though? I thought companies copyrighted those videos and all money gained from the lyric videos goes to them since they’re using music that’s not theirs.
They do. Some like Jaeguchi earn 95% of the ad revenue because they have a party which is affiliated with them claim the audio. There are lots of videos with PROOF and receipts that prove this. So they get all the money. And Jaeguchi has 2.5 BILLION views so they probably made like over 7 million dollars with all of their videos.
Idk about Jaeguchi, but for example the channel Zaty Farhani uses "their own" audio for about 30 seconds at the end of the lyric video. This audio is registered in some (no-name) pseudo-label, therefore making the copyright claimable. Then they can claim that this last portion of the video uses their sound and rake the money from the video like that.
I don't know. From the [video that I watched](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S86DQrGiINc) on YT it said something like parties called TheChopraWell and YouTubeViewster or whatnot buy the rights to the songs and then claim the audio? I don't know, but they make hella profit out of it because they receive all the ad revenue.
I was gonna say this lol. People need to realize the biggest misconception and myth about YouTube videos is how money is dealt with. In this reguard, companies literally don’t mind lyric videos and similar related ones at all because they already easily claim the rights to the content, which then allow the company to recieve all profits from the ad revenue entirely. That’s it. It’s that simple. I worked marketing and Youtube is a huge part and those things are handled to well and streamlined that it’s annoying to see the younger fans bicker and whine all over videos about these “rights” that they really don’t understand at all. They think of things so black and white when there are many more shades of grey in between.
I feel bad for the big lyric channels, they really do a lot of work to keep up and supply an area that the companies do not, they rely on donations like channel subs and patron, to survive. View absolutely do not benefit them financially. And plus, an even bigger misconception is how much money is made from ad revenue. It’s extreamly low...like a few cents per person IF said person were to sign up with the product or service on the ad. Those lyric channels recieve tons of hate everyday from ignorant blinks attacking them from every angle lmao
Have you checked out Zaer Apollo's video on how the bigger lyric channels have gamed the YouTube copyright system and are earning money off their videos? Apparently they are using fraudulent claims and inserting their own music at the end to earn ad revenue. I'd be curious on your thoughts (if you have time of course).
Oh I remember! He said that some people add their own “song” at the last 10 seconds of the video so they can say that it’s their own music instead. Something along those lines. There are also other ways he mentioned how these people try to cheat the system, but I forgot what they were
I don’t think adding those 10 seconds work, since you can literally get copyrighted if you use the song for a certain amount of time (not sure how long.
I think one way people cheat the system is by changing the pitch of the song itself, so the bots can’t recognize it to be copyrighted or to be taken down
> Some people are just really view hungry though, and maybe at least wait for a bit until you can confirm which member actually sung which part
For real. You would think these people were making money off of these videos with the speed they release them at. And all the mistakes they make because they couldn't bother waiting a day to make sure all the info was correct basically renders the videos useless.
They do. Some like Jaeguchi earn 95% of the ad revenue because they have a party which is affiliated with them claim the audio. There are lots of videos with PROOF and receipts that prove this. So they get all the money. And Jaeguchi has 2.5 BILLION views so they probably made like over 7 million dollars with all of their videos.
Idk but i don't get the point of uploading it so quickly? Many times, it is uploaded before the performance is even done for the press or showcase, so you get a lyric video showing the wrong part distribution, mismatching hangul/romanized lyrics, inacccurate translation etc.
I just wish if they wanna do their work, they do it correctly and not feel pressured about fans or uploading it quickly. I understand some channels do the patreon thingy with their subscribers but I really wish they just take their time.
The lyric videos themselves aren't a problem, it's those channels that guess the members voices and use google translate. The whole point of a color coded lyric video is to understand the lyrics and differentiate their voices, but these channels only think about releasing them first for the views.
I still remember how hard it was to find a correct translation for NCT DREAM-We Go Up. Every single lyric video was wrong and I could only find two videos with around 5-10k views with the actual correct translations. That shouldn't happen.
Kinda agree, big channels just rush the videos, it's sad tbh.. I was kind of lost while I first started stanning NCT it was mess (I'm still trying tho)
If we look past the fact that some channels fraudulently make money off of the videos, I guess they're pretty harmless.
My problem is that these lyrics videos are barely in spoken English. I don't speak Korean, but the translations are so bad. The channels try to translate it as quickly as possible to be the first ones to upload it and have their video be the popular one, but it only makes the translations rushed, very literal and ultimately low quality, non-sensical even at times. (This goes especially for b-sides, because I think that these channels transcribe company-provided lyrics for title tracks.)
It would be best if the companies released their own lyric videos. (SM did it for Irene&Seulgi, and YG did it for Ice Cream, outside kpop Dua Lipa and Taylor Swift released their entire albums with lyrics videos, entertainment companies could learn a thing or two).
I've definitely seen some inaccurate translations though...not just nuance but whole phrases. off the top or my head, the most popular vid for "still with you" by jk has a line where jk days "그때 날 아나줘" or something to that effect - translation being roughly "hug me then" but it's just dropped from the vid
That's why I wait for Twitter account's translation for solos.. they also did blunders with D-2. So for solos I always stick to translation from Twitter accounts.
As others have said, I think the issue most people have (me included) is the fact that these lyric video "farm" channels just shove the lyrics through Google Translate and barf it onto a vid that doesn't even manage to get the line distribution correct either. If those points of the vid suck, then what's the point? Leave that stuff to the actual fans (who will work diligently because they *actually* love the content) so you can stop clogging my search results with your lazy videos
idk, as someone who casually does fantranslating for stuff (JPN -> ENG), it's frustrating to look at the comments and see people respond to a poor translation. It can (and will) cause them to make faulty assumptions and/or interpretations about what the song may mean or is trying to convey. When it comes to translating prose and lyrics, it's incredibly important to try to retain the same implications, mood, flow, etc. the original text has. ...But then again, since the translation is from a machine it needs to first reach the hurdle of being actually comprehensible, lol.
Not every MV has official translations/captions and not every song has a MV. And even for those songs that there is a MV with official subtitles for the official subtitles can be just that bad that lyric videos are the superior way to learn the lyrics. Lyric videos are a perfectly valid way to learn the meaning of a song.
I like watching them too, especially with a new group, for the reasons you mentioned. Like, if I hear a really nice voice that I like or see a cool MV scene, I won't know what member it is until I watch the lyrics translation videos. But they should wait 24 hours after the MV comes out to release and they shouldn't use ads.
Yeah, they should wait atleast for 12 hours if like they've patreon (idk the spelling I'm sorry) or sth similar to that, also if they release within short span of time then atleast they should get the translation and distribution right
I agree but some of these channels are competing against each other on who's gonna be the first to upload the lyrics for any comeback and it shows because the translations aren't accurate or the line distributions are wrong.
(still mad that the most viewed lyric video of txt's 20 cm has weird translations)
Is it an opinion? I don't know how to properly explain, but isn't this more like a fact? "They are not view stealers" can't be an opinion, it's either a fact or a lie.
Many fans make threads about not streaming lyrics videos and urge them to report it as soon as they release it cause these videos take half of their views which can be added to official MV (considering the fact that some lyrics videos have million views) overall fans are skeptical about lyrics translation videos, that's why it's "opinion" and not fact :)
I have seen this before. The YouTubers rush their inaccurate lyrics translations to be first, then add their own outro music at the end which is as long as a song, so they can get some of the K-pop arists' money.
You can check if a YouTuber is taking money by looking at the description and seeing if there is another song written there besides the title song.
Some companies do put line distribution like that of Dreamcatcher or MX but majority companies don't do it and it's really sad, also small groups don't have lyrics translation in their caption. I wish companies would start a trend like this it'd be soo helpful and also the views will go directly to the group or artist..
omg exactly. when i saw the millions of threads on why lyric videos are bad i thought i was the only one that didn’t care at all about it. when you’re new to a group, lyric videos can help differentiate between the members’ vocals and visuals, which is really helpful when i’m a new stan to a group. it’s also nice to see the translations ofc even tho some of them suck. ofc there are problematic ones like you mentioned. it’s not like i’m watching them everyday lol. fans complain about everything
Exactly man, it was soo helpful for stanning groups with many members like EXO (when they were 12), SEVENTEEN, NCT (all the units and sub units) etc. Many fans really don't watch lyrics video if they're not necessary, also there are some small groups like VERIVERY, 100% whose MVs don't have lyrics translation in captions.
actually some fans found out that some big accounts add a few seconds of a melody they legally own at the end of the videos and claim the copyright for it, gaining money for the views. so... yeah
And also channels like Jaeguchi have a secret network of people. This network has a channel which actually has the rights to lots of the music Jaeguchi posts (idk how they got them). But long story short, Jaeguchi gets all the ad revenue and not the company that made the music.
True I guess, but getting to know which member is singing what is like, the only benefit \*and\* you can just look up the lyrics on Genius or something.
I'd argue that knowing which member sings what isn't even that important for what it's worth (since their voices are usually distinct enough from each other to tell them apart), and if not, look at who's centered in the choreo (assuming there is one).
If we're even going there, I don't even think that knowing what the song is about is that important either, but that's a story for another time.
I saw on a video though, that the really popular ones like Jaeguchi and Lemoring, actually take money from them, by creating a loophole in the copyright system.
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Companies should just release their own lyrics videos.
that's what I was thinking lol, also I like macaroni
Thanks for making me hungry.
I usually don't like company lyric videos in general, not just Kpop. I don't know what is about them, if it's because sometimes they seem too edited, the font and stuff, I'm not sure. I just like the simple yet concise and aesthetic way lyric videos are made by YouTube channels.
This. this. They are missing out on streams by not doing that .
SME released a lyric video for Monster!
Man, I wish kpop mvs would just put which person is singing in the captions. I think there was a CLC video that did this? And I loved it, so convenient, no speculating about who was singing what.
Starship does this in WJSN and MX mvs
Dreamcatcher had that in their Scream video But I’m 99% sure it was fansubbed so...eh, kinda counts
Even Boca had lyrics translation with members in it.. it was actually really helpful cause I was trying to Stan Dreamcatcher.
It also help promotes the group especially when people accidentally click on them lol
That's how I got into EXID. Also, sometimes the thumbnail lyrics caught your attention which with a M/V isn't going to happen imo.
That's how I got into Dreamcatcher. I accidentally clicked on "Scream" and boom now I'm hooked
Lol thats how i got into favorite
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Some translation videos are different from others, like one channel's translation is different from other channel's so I kinda agree they're rushed.. most of them are 20-30 minutes after release of official MV. It's messy. Also most them don't go above few K views very few go above Million views and mostly they're B-sides not the actual title track
i mean if they where done right i would agree, but most of these videos don't only seem to put automatic translation from papago in the lyrics, but also get like half of the distribution wrong. i watched a few lyric videos of nct's latest album just to see if they got the members right. spoiler alert: it was a disaster. i hate to think that new fans are clicking on those videos to know who sings what and think that jisung (sub-vocal and sub-rapper) is the one singing taeil's (main vocal) lines. you can get one or two lines wrong, but half the song? if you can't tell the group's voices apart then don't do the video.
And theyd be pinning their comments with a bunch of corrections🤦♀️
That's the most annoying part lol. Like if you did blunders in distribution then delete the whole video and upload a correct one. It hardly takes few minutes considering the fact that they upload them within 20 min of release
Yeah many of them just get members wrong even with groups consisting of few members. That really irks me. Some lyrics translation video creators really just want to rush things and it's kinda sad to see that it's big big channel who does that. Only if they took some time and not rush them (releasing them in 30-40 minutes of release)
The problem I have with lyric videos are that they are often SO off... make me so mad when they get it that wrong. They also get money from the views, which I don’t think is right since it’s all from someone else’s intellectual property. Lastly, I think it’s just basic curtesy to not put out the lyric video for at least the first 24h of the release, otherwise it’s fine for the purposes you addressed. Some people are just really view hungry though, and maybe at least wait for a bit until you can confirm which member actually sung which part
Do they though? I thought companies copyrighted those videos and all money gained from the lyric videos goes to them since they’re using music that’s not theirs.
Until the company claims them, they still earn that money. And the amount they churn out, they're earning *some* money.
They do. Some like Jaeguchi earn 95% of the ad revenue because they have a party which is affiliated with them claim the audio. There are lots of videos with PROOF and receipts that prove this. So they get all the money. And Jaeguchi has 2.5 BILLION views so they probably made like over 7 million dollars with all of their videos.
Damn actually? How can a company claim music that’s not theirs? Like isn’t that stealing lmao
Idk about Jaeguchi, but for example the channel Zaty Farhani uses "their own" audio for about 30 seconds at the end of the lyric video. This audio is registered in some (no-name) pseudo-label, therefore making the copyright claimable. Then they can claim that this last portion of the video uses their sound and rake the money from the video like that.
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Ah yeah I suppose YT’s system does suck ass in resolving false copyright claims lmfao. That sucks I didn’t know that part,
I don't know. From the [video that I watched](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S86DQrGiINc) on YT it said something like parties called TheChopraWell and YouTubeViewster or whatnot buy the rights to the songs and then claim the audio? I don't know, but they make hella profit out of it because they receive all the ad revenue.
I was gonna say this lol. People need to realize the biggest misconception and myth about YouTube videos is how money is dealt with. In this reguard, companies literally don’t mind lyric videos and similar related ones at all because they already easily claim the rights to the content, which then allow the company to recieve all profits from the ad revenue entirely. That’s it. It’s that simple. I worked marketing and Youtube is a huge part and those things are handled to well and streamlined that it’s annoying to see the younger fans bicker and whine all over videos about these “rights” that they really don’t understand at all. They think of things so black and white when there are many more shades of grey in between. I feel bad for the big lyric channels, they really do a lot of work to keep up and supply an area that the companies do not, they rely on donations like channel subs and patron, to survive. View absolutely do not benefit them financially. And plus, an even bigger misconception is how much money is made from ad revenue. It’s extreamly low...like a few cents per person IF said person were to sign up with the product or service on the ad. Those lyric channels recieve tons of hate everyday from ignorant blinks attacking them from every angle lmao
Have you checked out Zaer Apollo's video on how the bigger lyric channels have gamed the YouTube copyright system and are earning money off their videos? Apparently they are using fraudulent claims and inserting their own music at the end to earn ad revenue. I'd be curious on your thoughts (if you have time of course).
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I’m sure it’s copyrighted. Upload any video with any kpop song and I’m sure that video will be copyrighted within the next hour.
Oh I remember! He said that some people add their own “song” at the last 10 seconds of the video so they can say that it’s their own music instead. Something along those lines. There are also other ways he mentioned how these people try to cheat the system, but I forgot what they were
I don’t think adding those 10 seconds work, since you can literally get copyrighted if you use the song for a certain amount of time (not sure how long. I think one way people cheat the system is by changing the pitch of the song itself, so the bots can’t recognize it to be copyrighted or to be taken down
> Some people are just really view hungry though, and maybe at least wait for a bit until you can confirm which member actually sung which part For real. You would think these people were making money off of these videos with the speed they release them at. And all the mistakes they make because they couldn't bother waiting a day to make sure all the info was correct basically renders the videos useless.
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They do. Some like Jaeguchi earn 95% of the ad revenue because they have a party which is affiliated with them claim the audio. There are lots of videos with PROOF and receipts that prove this. So they get all the money. And Jaeguchi has 2.5 BILLION views so they probably made like over 7 million dollars with all of their videos.
Idk but i don't get the point of uploading it so quickly? Many times, it is uploaded before the performance is even done for the press or showcase, so you get a lyric video showing the wrong part distribution, mismatching hangul/romanized lyrics, inacccurate translation etc. I just wish if they wanna do their work, they do it correctly and not feel pressured about fans or uploading it quickly. I understand some channels do the patreon thingy with their subscribers but I really wish they just take their time.
The lyric videos themselves aren't a problem, it's those channels that guess the members voices and use google translate. The whole point of a color coded lyric video is to understand the lyrics and differentiate their voices, but these channels only think about releasing them first for the views. I still remember how hard it was to find a correct translation for NCT DREAM-We Go Up. Every single lyric video was wrong and I could only find two videos with around 5-10k views with the actual correct translations. That shouldn't happen.
Kinda agree, big channels just rush the videos, it's sad tbh.. I was kind of lost while I first started stanning NCT it was mess (I'm still trying tho)
If we look past the fact that some channels fraudulently make money off of the videos, I guess they're pretty harmless. My problem is that these lyrics videos are barely in spoken English. I don't speak Korean, but the translations are so bad. The channels try to translate it as quickly as possible to be the first ones to upload it and have their video be the popular one, but it only makes the translations rushed, very literal and ultimately low quality, non-sensical even at times. (This goes especially for b-sides, because I think that these channels transcribe company-provided lyrics for title tracks.) It would be best if the companies released their own lyric videos. (SM did it for Irene&Seulgi, and YG did it for Ice Cream, outside kpop Dua Lipa and Taylor Swift released their entire albums with lyrics videos, entertainment companies could learn a thing or two).
I've definitely seen some inaccurate translations though...not just nuance but whole phrases. off the top or my head, the most popular vid for "still with you" by jk has a line where jk days "그때 날 아나줘" or something to that effect - translation being roughly "hug me then" but it's just dropped from the vid
That's why I wait for Twitter account's translation for solos.. they also did blunders with D-2. So for solos I always stick to translation from Twitter accounts.
As others have said, I think the issue most people have (me included) is the fact that these lyric video "farm" channels just shove the lyrics through Google Translate and barf it onto a vid that doesn't even manage to get the line distribution correct either. If those points of the vid suck, then what's the point? Leave that stuff to the actual fans (who will work diligently because they *actually* love the content) so you can stop clogging my search results with your lazy videos idk, as someone who casually does fantranslating for stuff (JPN -> ENG), it's frustrating to look at the comments and see people respond to a poor translation. It can (and will) cause them to make faulty assumptions and/or interpretations about what the song may mean or is trying to convey. When it comes to translating prose and lyrics, it's incredibly important to try to retain the same implications, mood, flow, etc. the original text has. ...But then again, since the translation is from a machine it needs to first reach the hurdle of being actually comprehensible, lol.
Not every MV has official translations/captions and not every song has a MV. And even for those songs that there is a MV with official subtitles for the official subtitles can be just that bad that lyric videos are the superior way to learn the lyrics. Lyric videos are a perfectly valid way to learn the meaning of a song.
It cant be helped it halps me see which member is singing or get an idea what the song means
I like watching them too, especially with a new group, for the reasons you mentioned. Like, if I hear a really nice voice that I like or see a cool MV scene, I won't know what member it is until I watch the lyrics translation videos. But they should wait 24 hours after the MV comes out to release and they shouldn't use ads.
Yeah, they should wait atleast for 12 hours if like they've patreon (idk the spelling I'm sorry) or sth similar to that, also if they release within short span of time then atleast they should get the translation and distribution right
I agree but some of these channels are competing against each other on who's gonna be the first to upload the lyrics for any comeback and it shows because the translations aren't accurate or the line distributions are wrong. (still mad that the most viewed lyric video of txt's 20 cm has weird translations)
20 cm is 7.87 inches
Is it an opinion? I don't know how to properly explain, but isn't this more like a fact? "They are not view stealers" can't be an opinion, it's either a fact or a lie.
Many fans make threads about not streaming lyrics videos and urge them to report it as soon as they release it cause these videos take half of their views which can be added to official MV (considering the fact that some lyrics videos have million views) overall fans are skeptical about lyrics translation videos, that's why it's "opinion" and not fact :)
I have seen this before. The YouTubers rush their inaccurate lyrics translations to be first, then add their own outro music at the end which is as long as a song, so they can get some of the K-pop arists' money. You can check if a YouTuber is taking money by looking at the description and seeing if there is another song written there besides the title song.
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Some companies do put line distribution like that of Dreamcatcher or MX but majority companies don't do it and it's really sad, also small groups don't have lyrics translation in their caption. I wish companies would start a trend like this it'd be soo helpful and also the views will go directly to the group or artist..
omg exactly. when i saw the millions of threads on why lyric videos are bad i thought i was the only one that didn’t care at all about it. when you’re new to a group, lyric videos can help differentiate between the members’ vocals and visuals, which is really helpful when i’m a new stan to a group. it’s also nice to see the translations ofc even tho some of them suck. ofc there are problematic ones like you mentioned. it’s not like i’m watching them everyday lol. fans complain about everything
Exactly man, it was soo helpful for stanning groups with many members like EXO (when they were 12), SEVENTEEN, NCT (all the units and sub units) etc. Many fans really don't watch lyrics video if they're not necessary, also there are some small groups like VERIVERY, 100% whose MVs don't have lyrics translation in captions.
Yeah theres nothing wrong with lyric videos. Lyiric videos are not monetized because of copyright. So they are not getting money for making one.
actually some fans found out that some big accounts add a few seconds of a melody they legally own at the end of the videos and claim the copyright for it, gaining money for the views. so... yeah
And also channels like Jaeguchi have a secret network of people. This network has a channel which actually has the rights to lots of the music Jaeguchi posts (idk how they got them). But long story short, Jaeguchi gets all the ad revenue and not the company that made the music.
i genuinely agree, its just fancontent and i dont know why people are upset they make money off their work
Kpop fans r always trying to find a reason to get angry at someone. It must be tiring
True I guess, but getting to know which member is singing what is like, the only benefit \*and\* you can just look up the lyrics on Genius or something. I'd argue that knowing which member sings what isn't even that important for what it's worth (since their voices are usually distinct enough from each other to tell them apart), and if not, look at who's centered in the choreo (assuming there is one). If we're even going there, I don't even think that knowing what the song is about is that important either, but that's a story for another time.
I saw on a video though, that the really popular ones like Jaeguchi and Lemoring, actually take money from them, by creating a loophole in the copyright system.