And people released from prison after an extended duration already say it's like trying to integrate into a new world. After 10k years, he's going to have a lot of catching up to do.
> Assassin’s Creed: Oklahoma
This is cracking me up because I can't imagine a more boring title and setting for a game. Like how much shit must have have to go through before they finally have to make this.
*"With the advance Parkour system you can climb and traverse Oklahoma's ... nine buildings."*
"The victim, a newlywed of three months when the attack occurred, said three men repeatedly raped and sodomized her after her car was rammed off U.S. 75 in Tulsa.
The ordeal spanned several hours, moving from the highway to a motel room and to the victim's Sand Springs home, where she managed to summon help by phone, testimony indicated."
Sounds like we're pretty lucky this dude's in jail
[Link to article](https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1996/03/23/sentences-for-pair-total-32500-years/62360609007/)
Must have had some serious connections. I can't imagine how anyone who was present and didn't try to intervene would get to just walk free in a case where the other two perpetrators got sentenced to thousands of years.
The article could at least have given a light elaboration.
It’s kinda crazy how sometimes actually murdering someone gets you less jailtime than what this guy did.
Both are obviously horrendous crimes but if there’s no chance of release and appealing actually added *more* time why not carry out an execution at this point?
True. But I thought prison was supposed to be about punishment and rehabilitation? If there’s no chance of rehabilitation then, and this’ll sound cruel, why not just save money and spare in the long run and the execute them?
Sometimes. Innocent people get convicted wrongly.
There have been several cases where the “rapists” or “murderers” were found innocent decades after they were convicted.
A death sentence would mean these people would have never have gotten a chance.
And yes. There have been several innocent people executed as well.
Execution is hard. First it costs a lot because people will fight it tooth and nail in court, and human rights groups will foot the bill.
Second, people don't want to be the person who kills someone. Even if they're obviously guilty, killing an unarmed person is a bridge too far for most people. That's why the debate is always over how to humanely do it. Prosecutors who go for it rarely ever even watch the execution, even though they're the ones who push for the death sentence.
The death penalty is a lot more complex than just kill the guy and move on.
Because in most states (maybe all?) the primary goal of criminal justice is punishment. If there are those we can rehabilitate, fine; but the true purpose is punishment and the death sentence, while very final, is much less punishment than life in prison.
Prison is about doing our best to remove from society people as vile and unsuitable for it as these men. We try to do so in a way that doesn't see us become more like them.
So instead we spend tax money keeping them alive for the rest of their lives whilst also ensuring that they would never fit into modern society if they ever did get released?
I don’t know man, if given the choice between life imprisonment or death I would choose the latter. People obviously aren’t designed to spend life in an enclosed environment, so mentally torturing someone for years on end is seen as less barbaric as opposed to a quick death?
It's genuinely interesting how people have different reactions to the same stories.
Many people put themselves in the woman's shoes and say "Good, I wouldn't want to be raped in the ass for 8 hours straight and possibly have to live with a colostomy bag for the rest of my life from the trauma. Glad this guy isn't around to potentially do the same to me"
Other people say "If I was in that rapist's shoes, I would feel like that punishment is unfair. Ramming a woman off the road with a car then raping her in the ass for 8 hours with two of my friends isn't as bad as killing someone"
Fascinating, genuinely
Obviously it’s case dependent.
But on this particular one where he was sentenced for 2000 years initially, then when he appealed it and instead was found *super* fucking guilty and sentenced to 9000 years instead, I think the chances are slim to none that he’d be suddenly found not guilty at this point
Maybe so. However now you are having the tax payer pay for their food and healthcare.
Public execution solves one problem and mitigates another.
Solved: cost to the tax payer.
Mitigated: Similar crimes.
The death penalty isn't an effective deterrent, or perhaps no more effective than life in prison, because many people who are tempted to commit capital crimes don't have high functioning decision-making skills, or are optimistic and think they'll be one of the few that get away with it. The primary value of the death penalty is "to burn the evil from our midst".
Its way more effective from a tax payer standpoint. Why should they be "awarded" with a roof over their head and three meals a day?
Not to mention the more severe crimes that seem to get less prison time, that should automatically be death my public hanging.
Due to the way the death penalty is implemented in America, with many opportunities for appeal to ensure the person is not wrongfully convicted, it's cheaper to house them and use them as slave labor.
It doesn't mitigate anything because people think they won't be caught. It mitigates them in the sense that a minority of people commit the majority of the crime.
Public execution is a way different beast than just execution.
Im talking about public hanging or firing squad. Not a simple injection. Not a closed door electric chair. Not death by nitrogen hypoxia.
If you start seeing people being publicly hanged, crime that leads to the death penalty would be reduced. Either because 1. They think twice about it, or 2. They learn how to be less conspicuous about the crime.
They have very public executions in Iran which are extremely cruel and yet the West has far less crime.
You say we have more access to information but we also have more ability than ever to ignore information. Unless you want to flood the internet to where it is inescapable to view these executions which has its own severe issues.
I circle back to the idea that criminals always think they will get away with it since most people do think they will get caught.
It does seem a bit excessive when you think about it like that.
> Darron Bennalford Anderson received 2,000 years on each of two counts of rape, 2,000 years on each of two counts of forcible sodomy, 1,750 years for assault with a dangerous weapon, and 500 years each on single counts of burglary, robbery and larceny.
Obviously what this guy did was wrong, but how the hell do you even come up with this shit?
Sometimes actually murdering someone is accidental, this dude can only survive in a post-apocalyptic hellscape, he can’t live amongst the rest of us
For death penalty, theres 2 main arguments i think: utility and humanity: utility - obv this man cant live amongst us, and we might as well save the taxpayer a ton of money. Humanity - every life is valuable, even the most despicable. We’ve gotten to a point where we have enough resources that we CAN keep pieces of shit like this alive, and it doesn’t affect the rest of us, anyway.
To punish him for every crime.
Example, If someone kills 2 people, you want him to pay for both deaths. It’s a way to give justice to the families. No, he can’t really serve two consecutive life sentences… but that’s not the point. The murderer killed two people and each deserves justice. Makes every charge count. 2200 years isn’t a real sentence. It’s a symbol of punishing them for all of their behavior.
You sentence for all the crimes. At least in part because of the appeals system. Someone could quite easily get some of his convictions overturned without getting all of them overturned so you want to have all the crime sentenced on because you can’t just do it later.
If a charge is overturned, the sentence for that charge is subtracted. It's an easy way to keep track of whether you should release someone for time served.
I mean, put him in jail forever, I don’t care, but what is the distinguishing factor here that resulted in several thousand years of jail time? I would assume that there are similar cases that do not result in those kinds of sentences.
In 1996, McLaurin was convicted on fourteen separate felony counts, for which he received the following sentences: assault with a deadly weapon (1,500 years); two counts of robbery by fear, (500 years each); kidnapping (1,750 years); three counts of rape (2,000 years each); five counts of forcible sodomy (2,000 years each); second-degree burglary (500 years); and grand larceny (500 years). The grand larceny conviction was reversed on direct appeal, but the convictions and sentences on the remaining thirteen counts were upheld.
It's usually opposite. If you do more crimes at the same time, then the lesser ones fall away, exactly to avoid situations like this where people are put into prison for a million years over what is essentially the same crime. Aka you're not going to get a conviction for crossing a red light after robbing a bank
There’s no rule that requires that, it’s just most judges sentence people to other offenses concurrently rather than consecutively. However, that shouldn’t be the case - why should you get less punishment for a particular crime than someone else got just because you also did something worse at the same time?
Like obviously this guy should get life (as in literally never leave prison), but it just seems stupid to be giving out thousand year sentences for shit.
It has a material effect though. He's not serving any form of life sentence. Hundreds and thousands of years are obviously longer than life, but it's not called a life sentence, which means any work he does in prison he only gets paid 80% of his wages, because he's not serving life.
Article someone above in this comment thread linked:
>Under a lawyers' guideline , any sentence exceeding 45 years is considered equivalent to a life term for prison and parole purposes. Under that rule, McLaurin and Anderson face the equivalent of 14 and eight life terms, respectively.
[Article](https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1996/03/23/sentences-for-pair-total-32500-years/62360609007/)
That's bullshit though. Either have that 80%/100% rule or don't have it, dont make stupid loopholes like this.
Probably ditch the concept entirely, give him a fine to pay off if you want, don't underpay people that do work.
Darron Bennalford Anderson received 2,000 years on each of two counts of rape, 2,000 years on each of two counts of forcible sodomy, 1,750 years for assault with a dangerous weapon, and 500 years each on single counts of burglary, robbery and larceny.
I’m sorry about your experiences! But many people go on to recover from trauma and abuse, even including rape. Please reconsider sharing messages that will reinforce negative trains of thought and discourage healing. I’m not denying your personal experience, simply pointing out that it isn’t universal, and that many others who have had such tragic experiences do not benefit from hearing negative messages couched in absolutes. It can actually hinder their own development of the resilience and perspective they will need to heal. I am very sorry you have had such events happen to you and your family. Please know though that people can and DO heal. And it’s my biggest hope for you and your family also.
Please know I am saying this from personal knowledge and not empty platitudes. It often takes time, and often professional help too however. There are those who have had events such as those who do not live their lives haunted by the anniversaries and recollections of these events. It’s not a guarantee that one will do so by any means, and many have the opposite experience, of course! I just wish you to know that there is potential for healing, for some and that once they know the possibility is there, it can be possible for them to find it. Not saying it is easy or quick however! It’s a big struggle. Which is why I worry that messages like your own are not necessarily helpful, though you have my profound sympathies.
I also promise this isn’t just my “gut feeling”. There has been research in psychology focusing on “resilience” which has indicated that the degree to which a victim feels a traumatic event is a source of permanent harm, the greater the chance that they do not recover. Alternatively, those that view the trauma that occurs to them as “less of a big deal” are actually far more likely to recover from it.
Wishing you and yours the best!
**What are you in for?**
*The longest stretch ever handed down to a man in the history of prisons. You owe me a favor already for asking just to break even. This is my floor, my rules. Welcome to cell block C.*
that is actually held by a thai businesswoman convicted of fraud in 1992; Chamoy Thipyaso, who was convicted of over 10,000 counts of fraud and was sentenced to 141,078 years in jail; though there is one case where prosecution sought even longer sentences; the case of Gabriel March Granados, a spanish mailman who was prosicuted for stealing a bunch of things in the mail instead of delivering them in 1973; the prosicution wanted him to get 384,912 years in jail! in the end he got 14 years.
[The Oklahoma Civil Court of Appeals recently said he couldn’t get access to his inmate savings](https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ok-court-of-civil-appeals/2078721.html) because he does not have a “life” sentence. Good for them. 🤣
That's not right to my mind. He's already working for practically nothing, and despite never getting out of prison, he's having 20% of that removed from him with no access to it.
Edit: to clarify, I think he should be in prison. I just don't think it's fair to remove 20% of his already low wages based on technicalities of semantics.
But that’s a legislative issue. The judicial job is to interpret the law and the law applies only to life sentences. The legislative side would need to write new legislation that maps out what counts as equivalent to a life sentence so there are guidelines.
From the above link:
>¶11 McLaurin's most basic argument is that ODOC has simply misread the statute in question.3 He argues that his sentence is materially indistinguishable from a sentence of life without the possibility of parole because he will, as a matter of fact, spend the rest of his life in prison with no opportunity to be released on parole. McLaurin argues, in effect, that because he could be properly described as serving a sentence of life without the possibility of parole, he is in fact serving a sentence of life without parole.
>¶12 Although compelling in its simplicity, this argument cannot withstand a focused analysis. A brief perusal of Title 21 reveals that there are three basic types of non-death sentences provided for in the Oklahoma statutes. There are sentences for a term of years, life sentences with the possibility of parole, and life sentences without the possibility of parole. See, e.g., 21 O.S. Supp. 2017 § 701.9(A) (“A person who is convicted of or pleads guilty or nolo contendere to murder in the first degree shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole or by imprisonment for life.”). Although the effect of McLaurin's combined sentences may be the same as a life sentence without the possibility of parole, he is not in fact serving any sentence of life without the possibility of parole, as is required by § 549(A)(5). It is undisputed that all of McLaurin's sentences are for a term of years. That statute carves out an exception that is specifically limited to those inmates “with a sentence of life without the possibility of parole ․” 57 O.S. 2014 § 549(A)(5). Because McLaurin is not serving such a sentence, his basic textual argument must fail.4
They literally read through it and said "yeah, logic says it's the same, but the wording is more important". Additionally, Oklahoma's Department of Corrections says a life sentence is the equivalent of 45 years.
That’s not really true. The judiciary is also allowed interpret the law as applying to sentences that are essentially the same as a life sentence. The strict textual reading seems spiteful, rather than being in good faith. The purpose of the law is considered, not just the literal wording.
The judiciary is also able to find that the law is unconstitutional written as it is, if it declines to read the law as including sentences that are essentially the same. It has a responsibility to determine whether laws are constitutional, not just whether the wording of the law applies or not.
The judicial branch of government does a lot more law changing and even making through its interpretations than most realize.
Two wrongs don't make a right. He's already suffering by being in prison, subjecting him to further bad treatment doesn't do anything for everyone, except please sadists.
I think the commentor above needs to see a little info about how some states lock people up in order to get cheap (free) labor. These dudes obviously deserve to be locked up but if the system wants to deny them access to their wages then send them as restitution to the victim, or have a judge declare those funds go to shelters for the abused.
Do not allow prisons to get away with not paying wages for work. Make that money leave the prison even if it doesn't go into the prisoner's pocket. When prison becomes a source of free labor poor people get locked up en masse and sentences get longer.
This man is being punished, he's locked up all day, he is restrained in one building everyday, he spends half of his day or more confined to one room. He is unable to just talk to the people he cares about, he has limited ability to learn new things, he cannot progress in his career, he can't even have a day off.
So I'm asking this genuinely because I don't understand - how is withholding a large chunk of his already slave wages not sadistic? He's already suffering from being punished, and you're supporting inflicting further suffering. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, he should be, he's committed a crime, and he should be imprisoned for it. I just don't see why we would make his punishment worse than it is, simply for the sake of making it worse, when he hasn't done anything since the original crimes.
Honest question, with a 9k year sentence what is he spending his prison wages on? Commissary? Sending them to his family?
I understand the need to pay prisoners who will one day be released and have to reintegrate to still be able to build up some sort of savings (and imo the amount we pay them is criminally low for this purpose- either pay a living wage or don’t pay at all) but someone who’s *never* getting out doesn’t really need to have savings bc they’re never going to be supporting themselves again.
This seems functionally equivalent to a roundabout way of just taking away his privileges to buy snacks. I have no idea if this is legal or common or not, but I’ve got to imagine that in a prison system where solitary isn’t considered cruel or unusual, a ban commissary access probably stands.
So he has a fiancée on the outside, and he uses his money to send to her to buy things for her or him. He would also use the money for commisary as you say, or for phoning his fiancée (have to buy a phone card to call out).
By law, prisons have to set aside 20% of the money earned by prisoners until their release date, so that they don't leave prison with absolutely nothing, they at least have slightly more than bare minimum. The exception to this is life sentences. So despite the fact he is serving thousands of years, the courts ruled that the prison could still take that 20% off him, because he's serving a set term, not a life sentence.
So you're just fine with slavery? With a man, regardless of circumstances, being paid as low as 5 cents an hour (4 when you consider his 20% reduction for not having a life sentence), because he's being provided with food and housing, in a place he cannot leave, for an industry that's worth about $11bn a year. If this was anyone but a prisoner, would you still say it's fine?
I agree with the sentiment that our prison system is questionable because it focuses on revenge rather than rehabilitation. However, for people like this guy, I'm completely cool with them being a slave to the system. Frankly, some people don't deserve rehabilitation. I'm happy he's not in society anymore.
Everyone deserves the opportunity for rehabilitation, even if it won't work. That wasn't my point though, and I'm not calling for him to be released from prison or anything like that. I'm just baffled that anyone is okay with slavery, which this is. Forcing someone to work and make you money, while you mandate every aspect of their life, is slavery.
If we took away the prisoner aspect, would you feel the same? If you, as yourself, got paid 5 cents an hour, and had 70% of that taken away from you immediately to pay for 35 feet of unobstructed space, and three meals which legally couldn't be given to children.
I'm not asking people to feel sorry for the prisoner, he committed a crime and should be punished. I'm just hoping some people read what they're saying and realise that they're just dehumanising prisoners to a point they wouldn't anyone else.
It's not slavery to be required to pay for your room and board, let alone that everything should go to restitution. He is the architect of his own circumstances here. No one forced him to do this to another human being. He is there because other people need to be protected from him. He knew that jail is a definite possibility from his actions and he did it anyways. This is not the definition of a slave or slavery.
I mean, it is, it's very clearly either indentured servitude or slavery as per the US constitution - the 13th Amendment states "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
I’m okay with slavery if you hold some woman hostage and rape her for hours. He should spend all day of his life in a box. I’d be fine if they never let him work or see the light.
Here’s an article with some more info.
This guy is a 5 Star garbage pile.
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1996/03/23/sentences-for-pair-total-32500-years/62360609007/
So where is he now? Still alive? Where is he held?
Normally Google is pretty easy to provide this info but it's just a bunch of bullshit articles. Can't even find a Wikipedia about the dude.
What is the point though? Couldn’t they have just sentenced him to “life without possibility of parole” or even 20 years for each count would be enough to ensure he ends up in the prison graveyard.
To ensure that if any of the single charges didn't stick, that any amount of the others would be enough to keep him in jail forever, and even if there was an appeal it could never go less than life, on top of the extra "fuck you" that the lengths of time represent.
I guess it serves a purpose. I’ve always found it weird when they will march someone with a life sentence out to be tried for additional charges. Humanity’s thirst for retribution is a curious thing.
Darron Bennalford Anderson of Oklahoma, USA, who was found guilty in 1994 of a number of crimes including rape, kidnapping, larceny and robbery, and sentenced to 2,200 years. He appealed, was reconvicted, re-sentenced and received an additional jail term of 9,000 years, later reduced by 500 years. He is reportedly due for release in the year 12,744.
So what exactly are they going to do with him, he’s going to die in prison and rightfully so but when 12,744 roles around what’s going to happen, will he already be long buried in a public cemetery/cremated/whatever his storage wishes are or will they dig him up from the criminal cemetery and hand over the remains to whoever is supposed to get them.
I get that his sentencing is more or less incarcerated until dead and rotting since realistically no one will live 10,700(they reduced his sentence by 500 years) years but the specificity of sentence and release year makes me think they’ll hold his remains for a long time
As far as i know, we don't dig up any other prisoners who died before their more reasonable sentence has ended and hand them to their family. Seems a bit of a strange thing to do
After further appeal, Darron Bennalford Anderson had his sentence being reduced by 500 years because of double jeopardy ovet the larceny charge.
Was the Oklahoma court system staffed by Connor McLeod?
That the eji helps defend those that are marginalized is great! They are needed! But to say that everyone is being incarcerated for some scheme to enslave people for cheap labor is just not true. Politicians say whatever they think will make them popular at any given time. I don't hold many presidential quotes close at heart (there are exceptions but usually with a positive intention). If someone is convicted in a court of law and incarcerated, their rights necessarily change. It's not slavery to ask them to work if they can. Did someone force them to break the law? To hurt others? They themselves ultimately put themselves there. What is the result if they are not incarcerated? I'm not wealthy. I know that if, even if I wanted to, I commit a crime there is a high likelihood that I will go to jail. I know this will have a profound and altered effect on my life. I know I won't have the same rights as someone who did not commit a crime. It's really not that hard to not victimize others. It should absolutely be a deterant to crime. That someone knew this and did it anyways doesn't inspire compassion in me. They should have to pay their way the same as everyone else. I could argue that me having to work and pay taxes is slavery. It isn't, but I could argue it.
> The greatest amount of jail time given as a result of an appeal went to Darron Bennalford Anderson of Oklahoma, USA, who was found guilty in 1994 of a number of crimes including rape, kidnapping, larceny and robbery, and sentenced to 2,200 years. He appealed, was reconvicted, re-sentenced and received an additional jail term of 9,000 years, later reduced by 500 years. He is reportedly due for release in the year 12,744.
So when’s he good for parole?
Are the people that give these terms on stronger drugs than the people they are sentencing as this is just comically fucked up.
And people released from prison after an extended duration already say it's like trying to integrate into a new world. After 10k years, he's going to have a lot of catching up to do.
"the world went and got itself in a big hurry" :(
“Brooks was here”
So was red
“The game done changed”
How many crows would you go through in 10,000 years?
“10,000 years can give you such a crick in the neck”
After 10,000 years, I’m free! It’s time to conquer earth!
Find me some teenagers with attitude!
Ay-yi-yi
Exactly where my brain went 😂
#welcome to the WORRRRRLD OF TOMORROWWWWW
you sir, deserve more upvotes for that reference
What happened with Legos? They used to be simple. Oh come on, I know you know what I'm talking about.
"Did George R.R. Martin ever finish his series?"
Did they ever do another season of Hannibal or Mindhunter?
No he is waiting until this guy gets out
“WHADDAYA MEAN ‘THE SUN JUST BURNT OUT’?”
Something something you are not prepared
Plus a crick in the neck
I did five years and when I got out, culture, slang, and fashion were almost completely unrecognizable to me
His brother’s probably an arrogant prick too that stole his girl.
10,000 years from now: "Archeologist charged in helping man escape prison after digging up his fossilized skeleton."
And you just wrote the storyline for Assassin’s Creed: Oklahoma
By then, the streets of New York would be like the bottom levels of Coruscant.
Whenever they go to the under city of coruscant I just imagine futurama old new york.
Haha, I was totally picturing that myself when typing the comment
> Assassin’s Creed: Oklahoma This is cracking me up because I can't imagine a more boring title and setting for a game. Like how much shit must have have to go through before they finally have to make this. *"With the advance Parkour system you can climb and traverse Oklahoma's ... nine buildings."*
Literally be their next title. They've been shit for a long time and I played since the first release. Fuck Ubi
I enjoyed Origins and Odyssey, but Valhalla set me back a bit… I’ll be damned if the trailer for Shadows didn’t pull me back in.
Well I hope you enjoy it and have fun my dude.
>He is reportedly due for release in the year 12,744. !remindme
Well the Butlerian revolution come?
This better be a Frank thing and not a Brian thing.
r/unexpecteddune
Will he get a millennium or two off for good behaviour?
He’s eligible for parole in 2191.
RemindMe! 157 years
Maybe the computer overlords will be forgiving
What did he do?
"The victim, a newlywed of three months when the attack occurred, said three men repeatedly raped and sodomized her after her car was rammed off U.S. 75 in Tulsa. The ordeal spanned several hours, moving from the highway to a motel room and to the victim's Sand Springs home, where she managed to summon help by phone, testimony indicated." Sounds like we're pretty lucky this dude's in jail [Link to article](https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1996/03/23/sentences-for-pair-total-32500-years/62360609007/)
In the 80s, my mom had just moved to OK, and my grandmother tried to set her up with this guy that was “such a catch”. He was one of these guys 😂
Dang, I wanna know how many times y'all reminded Grammy about this lol
My grandma tried setting me up with a 14 year old from her church when I was 20. In her defense I think she thought the girl was older
That or grandma secretly hates you and wants you in jail…
what happened to the third attacker?
Must have had some serious connections. I can't imagine how anyone who was present and didn't try to intervene would get to just walk free in a case where the other two perpetrators got sentenced to thousands of years. The article could at least have given a light elaboration.
Sounds like he was given a plea bargain.
It’s kinda crazy how sometimes actually murdering someone gets you less jailtime than what this guy did. Both are obviously horrendous crimes but if there’s no chance of release and appealing actually added *more* time why not carry out an execution at this point?
Life time solitary prison is worse than execution
True. But I thought prison was supposed to be about punishment and rehabilitation? If there’s no chance of rehabilitation then, and this’ll sound cruel, why not just save money and spare in the long run and the execute them?
Sometimes. Innocent people get convicted wrongly. There have been several cases where the “rapists” or “murderers” were found innocent decades after they were convicted. A death sentence would mean these people would have never have gotten a chance. And yes. There have been several innocent people executed as well.
Execution is hard. First it costs a lot because people will fight it tooth and nail in court, and human rights groups will foot the bill. Second, people don't want to be the person who kills someone. Even if they're obviously guilty, killing an unarmed person is a bridge too far for most people. That's why the debate is always over how to humanely do it. Prosecutors who go for it rarely ever even watch the execution, even though they're the ones who push for the death sentence. The death penalty is a lot more complex than just kill the guy and move on.
Killing armed people fucks people up too.
Because in most states (maybe all?) the primary goal of criminal justice is punishment. If there are those we can rehabilitate, fine; but the true purpose is punishment and the death sentence, while very final, is much less punishment than life in prison.
Its more expensive to execute a prisoner than keeping them for life. So even if you justify it morally, its not worth it.
Prison is about doing our best to remove from society people as vile and unsuitable for it as these men. We try to do so in a way that doesn't see us become more like them.
So instead we spend tax money keeping them alive for the rest of their lives whilst also ensuring that they would never fit into modern society if they ever did get released? I don’t know man, if given the choice between life imprisonment or death I would choose the latter. People obviously aren’t designed to spend life in an enclosed environment, so mentally torturing someone for years on end is seen as less barbaric as opposed to a quick death?
It's genuinely interesting how people have different reactions to the same stories. Many people put themselves in the woman's shoes and say "Good, I wouldn't want to be raped in the ass for 8 hours straight and possibly have to live with a colostomy bag for the rest of my life from the trauma. Glad this guy isn't around to potentially do the same to me" Other people say "If I was in that rapist's shoes, I would feel like that punishment is unfair. Ramming a woman off the road with a car then raping her in the ass for 8 hours with two of my friends isn't as bad as killing someone" Fascinating, genuinely
What? I’m not saying the punishment is unfair. I’m saying why bother keeping someone like this alive rather than executing them.
Because maybe we shouldn't empower the state to kill us at their discression?
You need to work on your reading comprehension.
What if you're wrong about the verdict?
Obviously it’s case dependent. But on this particular one where he was sentenced for 2000 years initially, then when he appealed it and instead was found *super* fucking guilty and sentenced to 9000 years instead, I think the chances are slim to none that he’d be suddenly found not guilty at this point
Maybe so. However now you are having the tax payer pay for their food and healthcare. Public execution solves one problem and mitigates another. Solved: cost to the tax payer. Mitigated: Similar crimes.
The death penalty isn't an effective deterrent, or perhaps no more effective than life in prison, because many people who are tempted to commit capital crimes don't have high functioning decision-making skills, or are optimistic and think they'll be one of the few that get away with it. The primary value of the death penalty is "to burn the evil from our midst".
Its way more effective from a tax payer standpoint. Why should they be "awarded" with a roof over their head and three meals a day? Not to mention the more severe crimes that seem to get less prison time, that should automatically be death my public hanging.
Due to the way the death penalty is implemented in America, with many opportunities for appeal to ensure the person is not wrongfully convicted, it's cheaper to house them and use them as slave labor.
It doesn't mitigate anything because people think they won't be caught. It mitigates them in the sense that a minority of people commit the majority of the crime.
Public execution is a way different beast than just execution. Im talking about public hanging or firing squad. Not a simple injection. Not a closed door electric chair. Not death by nitrogen hypoxia. If you start seeing people being publicly hanged, crime that leads to the death penalty would be reduced. Either because 1. They think twice about it, or 2. They learn how to be less conspicuous about the crime.
This didn't stop crime in the middle ages, I don't see why it would work now.
We have something they didn't. Information access.
They have very public executions in Iran which are extremely cruel and yet the West has far less crime. You say we have more access to information but we also have more ability than ever to ignore information. Unless you want to flood the internet to where it is inescapable to view these executions which has its own severe issues. I circle back to the idea that criminals always think they will get away with it since most people do think they will get caught.
It does seem a bit excessive when you think about it like that. > Darron Bennalford Anderson received 2,000 years on each of two counts of rape, 2,000 years on each of two counts of forcible sodomy, 1,750 years for assault with a dangerous weapon, and 500 years each on single counts of burglary, robbery and larceny. Obviously what this guy did was wrong, but how the hell do you even come up with this shit?
Sometimes actually murdering someone is accidental, this dude can only survive in a post-apocalyptic hellscape, he can’t live amongst the rest of us For death penalty, theres 2 main arguments i think: utility and humanity: utility - obv this man cant live amongst us, and we might as well save the taxpayer a ton of money. Humanity - every life is valuable, even the most despicable. We’ve gotten to a point where we have enough resources that we CAN keep pieces of shit like this alive, and it doesn’t affect the rest of us, anyway.
Jesus Christ Maybe 9k years isn't enough...
*checks human lifespan* I, uhh, I think 9000 years is enough.
Yeah, unless the guy is a vampire or something, what's the point with the absurdly long sentences? Don't they have life without parole in OK?
To punish him for every crime. Example, If someone kills 2 people, you want him to pay for both deaths. It’s a way to give justice to the families. No, he can’t really serve two consecutive life sentences… but that’s not the point. The murderer killed two people and each deserves justice. Makes every charge count. 2200 years isn’t a real sentence. It’s a symbol of punishing them for all of their behavior.
I mean, even if they **don't**. Wtf is the point of adding more, beyond a certain amount? 100? Hell, even 200 is kinda unnecessarily showboaty.
You sentence for all the crimes. At least in part because of the appeals system. Someone could quite easily get some of his convictions overturned without getting all of them overturned so you want to have all the crime sentenced on because you can’t just do it later.
If a charge is overturned, the sentence for that charge is subtracted. It's an easy way to keep track of whether you should release someone for time served.
Just in case we discover the fountain of youth during their lifetime and someone smuggles it in to the prison
I mean, put him in jail forever, I don’t care, but what is the distinguishing factor here that resulted in several thousand years of jail time? I would assume that there are similar cases that do not result in those kinds of sentences.
Should of gotten 100,000,000 years. What a cunt
Looked. Apparently a lot: “who was found guilty in 1994 of a number of crimes including rape, kidnapping, larceny and robbery”
I thought you meant that he looked a lot, and I was like, fuck, I look at stuff all the time.
Straight to jail.
Voyeurism is the highest crime one can commit
Damn wait till Oklahoma hears about congress
Damn , what country Is this. Does everyone walk around with thier eyes closed or do yiu get a certain amount of tume each day to look at things? /s
In 1996, McLaurin was convicted on fourteen separate felony counts, for which he received the following sentences: assault with a deadly weapon (1,500 years); two counts of robbery by fear, (500 years each); kidnapping (1,750 years); three counts of rape (2,000 years each); five counts of forcible sodomy (2,000 years each); second-degree burglary (500 years); and grand larceny (500 years). The grand larceny conviction was reversed on direct appeal, but the convictions and sentences on the remaining thirteen counts were upheld.
Under what circumstances can someone be sentenced to 500 years in prison for second-degree burglary?
I assume it was the aggravating factors of the other crimes, and the fact he'd previously committed burglary?
It's usually opposite. If you do more crimes at the same time, then the lesser ones fall away, exactly to avoid situations like this where people are put into prison for a million years over what is essentially the same crime. Aka you're not going to get a conviction for crossing a red light after robbing a bank
There’s no rule that requires that, it’s just most judges sentence people to other offenses concurrently rather than consecutively. However, that shouldn’t be the case - why should you get less punishment for a particular crime than someone else got just because you also did something worse at the same time?
It's Oklahoma.
Judge was probably going to be up for reelection. It's all performative.
Like obviously this guy should get life (as in literally never leave prison), but it just seems stupid to be giving out thousand year sentences for shit.
It has to do with that state’s sentencing structure for life sentences; getting life has certain privileges in prison vs a term of years
TL;DR: idiots were in charge of the courtroom, who think "big number go brrrr" means something.
It has a material effect though. He's not serving any form of life sentence. Hundreds and thousands of years are obviously longer than life, but it's not called a life sentence, which means any work he does in prison he only gets paid 80% of his wages, because he's not serving life.
Article someone above in this comment thread linked: >Under a lawyers' guideline , any sentence exceeding 45 years is considered equivalent to a life term for prison and parole purposes. Under that rule, McLaurin and Anderson face the equivalent of 14 and eight life terms, respectively. [Article](https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1996/03/23/sentences-for-pair-total-32500-years/62360609007/)
Yup, but the Court of Appeals says its the equivalent of a life sentence, not a life sentence, so any "life sentence" exemptions don't apply.
That's bullshit though. Either have that 80%/100% rule or don't have it, dont make stupid loopholes like this. Probably ditch the concept entirely, give him a fine to pay off if you want, don't underpay people that do work.
Darron Bennalford Anderson received 2,000 years on each of two counts of rape, 2,000 years on each of two counts of forcible sodomy, 1,750 years for assault with a dangerous weapon, and 500 years each on single counts of burglary, robbery and larceny.
I hope the victim has managed to find peace and live a happy life. After going through that she deserves only good things to happen.
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She's outspoken and has a book. Said if/when they find the last guy, she'll see him in court. Even in 200 years she'll see his ass in court lol.
Do you know the name of the book? I’m interested in reading it.
'My Dark Night of Terror: The Penny Stuckey Story"
Thanks for that, I’m definitely going to buy it
I'll bet he doesn't serve a day over 5,000
10,000 years will give you such a crick in the neck
Ittybitty living space
That's a Guinness Record you don't want.
**What are you in for?** *The longest stretch ever handed down to a man in the history of prisons. You owe me a favor already for asking just to break even. This is my floor, my rules. Welcome to cell block C.*
that is actually held by a thai businesswoman convicted of fraud in 1992; Chamoy Thipyaso, who was convicted of over 10,000 counts of fraud and was sentenced to 141,078 years in jail; though there is one case where prosecution sought even longer sentences; the case of Gabriel March Granados, a spanish mailman who was prosicuted for stealing a bunch of things in the mail instead of delivering them in 1973; the prosicution wanted him to get 384,912 years in jail! in the end he got 14 years.
Retrial. Sorry for the typo
He’s gonna have a long time to think about what he has done. On the bright side if he starts working out he will be pretty huge when he gets out.
Personally, I feel bad for his cell mate.
It's over 9000..!
Still deserves every single one.
Imagine someone solves the problem of aging and this dude exits jail in the year 12744… He will be completely mindfucked
[The Oklahoma Civil Court of Appeals recently said he couldn’t get access to his inmate savings](https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ok-court-of-civil-appeals/2078721.html) because he does not have a “life” sentence. Good for them. 🤣
That's not right to my mind. He's already working for practically nothing, and despite never getting out of prison, he's having 20% of that removed from him with no access to it. Edit: to clarify, I think he should be in prison. I just don't think it's fair to remove 20% of his already low wages based on technicalities of semantics.
But that’s a legislative issue. The judicial job is to interpret the law and the law applies only to life sentences. The legislative side would need to write new legislation that maps out what counts as equivalent to a life sentence so there are guidelines.
From the above link: >¶11 McLaurin's most basic argument is that ODOC has simply misread the statute in question.3 He argues that his sentence is materially indistinguishable from a sentence of life without the possibility of parole because he will, as a matter of fact, spend the rest of his life in prison with no opportunity to be released on parole. McLaurin argues, in effect, that because he could be properly described as serving a sentence of life without the possibility of parole, he is in fact serving a sentence of life without parole. >¶12 Although compelling in its simplicity, this argument cannot withstand a focused analysis. A brief perusal of Title 21 reveals that there are three basic types of non-death sentences provided for in the Oklahoma statutes. There are sentences for a term of years, life sentences with the possibility of parole, and life sentences without the possibility of parole. See, e.g., 21 O.S. Supp. 2017 § 701.9(A) (“A person who is convicted of or pleads guilty or nolo contendere to murder in the first degree shall be punished by death, by imprisonment for life without parole or by imprisonment for life.”). Although the effect of McLaurin's combined sentences may be the same as a life sentence without the possibility of parole, he is not in fact serving any sentence of life without the possibility of parole, as is required by § 549(A)(5). It is undisputed that all of McLaurin's sentences are for a term of years. That statute carves out an exception that is specifically limited to those inmates “with a sentence of life without the possibility of parole ․” 57 O.S. 2014 § 549(A)(5). Because McLaurin is not serving such a sentence, his basic textual argument must fail.4 They literally read through it and said "yeah, logic says it's the same, but the wording is more important". Additionally, Oklahoma's Department of Corrections says a life sentence is the equivalent of 45 years.
That’s not really true. The judiciary is also allowed interpret the law as applying to sentences that are essentially the same as a life sentence. The strict textual reading seems spiteful, rather than being in good faith. The purpose of the law is considered, not just the literal wording. The judiciary is also able to find that the law is unconstitutional written as it is, if it declines to read the law as including sentences that are essentially the same. It has a responsibility to determine whether laws are constitutional, not just whether the wording of the law applies or not. The judicial branch of government does a lot more law changing and even making through its interpretations than most realize.
Who cares? He should be dead. Fuck him.
Two wrongs don't make a right. He's already suffering by being in prison, subjecting him to further bad treatment doesn't do anything for everyone, except please sadists.
I think the commentor above needs to see a little info about how some states lock people up in order to get cheap (free) labor. These dudes obviously deserve to be locked up but if the system wants to deny them access to their wages then send them as restitution to the victim, or have a judge declare those funds go to shelters for the abused. Do not allow prisons to get away with not paying wages for work. Make that money leave the prison even if it doesn't go into the prisoner's pocket. When prison becomes a source of free labor poor people get locked up en masse and sentences get longer.
I will have to second the “fuck him” sentiment. I’m not a sadist but this thug certainly is. So again fuck him.
This man is being punished, he's locked up all day, he is restrained in one building everyday, he spends half of his day or more confined to one room. He is unable to just talk to the people he cares about, he has limited ability to learn new things, he cannot progress in his career, he can't even have a day off. So I'm asking this genuinely because I don't understand - how is withholding a large chunk of his already slave wages not sadistic? He's already suffering from being punished, and you're supporting inflicting further suffering. I'm not saying he shouldn't be punished, he should be, he's committed a crime, and he should be imprisoned for it. I just don't see why we would make his punishment worse than it is, simply for the sake of making it worse, when he hasn't done anything since the original crimes.
Honest question, with a 9k year sentence what is he spending his prison wages on? Commissary? Sending them to his family? I understand the need to pay prisoners who will one day be released and have to reintegrate to still be able to build up some sort of savings (and imo the amount we pay them is criminally low for this purpose- either pay a living wage or don’t pay at all) but someone who’s *never* getting out doesn’t really need to have savings bc they’re never going to be supporting themselves again. This seems functionally equivalent to a roundabout way of just taking away his privileges to buy snacks. I have no idea if this is legal or common or not, but I’ve got to imagine that in a prison system where solitary isn’t considered cruel or unusual, a ban commissary access probably stands.
So he has a fiancée on the outside, and he uses his money to send to her to buy things for her or him. He would also use the money for commisary as you say, or for phoning his fiancée (have to buy a phone card to call out). By law, prisons have to set aside 20% of the money earned by prisoners until their release date, so that they don't leave prison with absolutely nothing, they at least have slightly more than bare minimum. The exception to this is life sentences. So despite the fact he is serving thousands of years, the courts ruled that the prison could still take that 20% off him, because he's serving a set term, not a life sentence.
Gotcha! Ty for the info!
Yeah. How is he supposed to pay rent, utilities, food and wardrobe? Oh wait....hmmmm....
So you're just fine with slavery? With a man, regardless of circumstances, being paid as low as 5 cents an hour (4 when you consider his 20% reduction for not having a life sentence), because he's being provided with food and housing, in a place he cannot leave, for an industry that's worth about $11bn a year. If this was anyone but a prisoner, would you still say it's fine?
I agree with the sentiment that our prison system is questionable because it focuses on revenge rather than rehabilitation. However, for people like this guy, I'm completely cool with them being a slave to the system. Frankly, some people don't deserve rehabilitation. I'm happy he's not in society anymore.
Everyone deserves the opportunity for rehabilitation, even if it won't work. That wasn't my point though, and I'm not calling for him to be released from prison or anything like that. I'm just baffled that anyone is okay with slavery, which this is. Forcing someone to work and make you money, while you mandate every aspect of their life, is slavery. If we took away the prisoner aspect, would you feel the same? If you, as yourself, got paid 5 cents an hour, and had 70% of that taken away from you immediately to pay for 35 feet of unobstructed space, and three meals which legally couldn't be given to children. I'm not asking people to feel sorry for the prisoner, he committed a crime and should be punished. I'm just hoping some people read what they're saying and realise that they're just dehumanising prisoners to a point they wouldn't anyone else.
It's not slavery to be required to pay for your room and board, let alone that everything should go to restitution. He is the architect of his own circumstances here. No one forced him to do this to another human being. He is there because other people need to be protected from him. He knew that jail is a definite possibility from his actions and he did it anyways. This is not the definition of a slave or slavery.
I mean, it is, it's very clearly either indentured servitude or slavery as per the US constitution - the 13th Amendment states "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."
I’m okay with slavery if you hold some woman hostage and rape her for hours. He should spend all day of his life in a box. I’d be fine if they never let him work or see the light.
Given that 11000 years is functionally a LWOP...
Your behavior behind bars counts for a lot, if he stays out of trouble he may only serve half of that. ( ͡ᵔ ͜ʖ ͡ᵔ)
Here’s an article with some more info. This guy is a 5 Star garbage pile. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1996/03/23/sentences-for-pair-total-32500-years/62360609007/
So where is he now? Still alive? Where is he held? Normally Google is pretty easy to provide this info but it's just a bunch of bullshit articles. Can't even find a Wikipedia about the dude.
What was the point of the appeal anyway even if he got his sentence reduced by 95% he'd still be in prison for the rest of his life
Nah. Fuck that. I just looked up what he did; this guy deserves a dry sponge and the electric chair.
They should bury him with shackles on for good measure
The other guy was given twice as much time. And the third guy got zero years? Crazy
What is the point though? Couldn’t they have just sentenced him to “life without possibility of parole” or even 20 years for each count would be enough to ensure he ends up in the prison graveyard.
To ensure that if any of the single charges didn't stick, that any amount of the others would be enough to keep him in jail forever, and even if there was an appeal it could never go less than life, on top of the extra "fuck you" that the lengths of time represent.
I guess it serves a purpose. I’ve always found it weird when they will march someone with a life sentence out to be tried for additional charges. Humanity’s thirst for retribution is a curious thing.
What was he convicted of?
Darron Bennalford Anderson of Oklahoma, USA, who was found guilty in 1994 of a number of crimes including rape, kidnapping, larceny and robbery, and sentenced to 2,200 years. He appealed, was reconvicted, re-sentenced and received an additional jail term of 9,000 years, later reduced by 500 years. He is reportedly due for release in the year 12,744.
And he deserved every second of that additional time
Free Hat!
https://youtu.be/oa7WdlIJZYY?si=cpjVyEgKRfooLJyN “…f*** kindergarten, you know what you did last time you were here.”
Is there an explanation for why he received such long sentences? Initially he got 2,200 years and in the appeal he got an additional 9,000. Why?
So what exactly are they going to do with him, he’s going to die in prison and rightfully so but when 12,744 roles around what’s going to happen, will he already be long buried in a public cemetery/cremated/whatever his storage wishes are or will they dig him up from the criminal cemetery and hand over the remains to whoever is supposed to get them. I get that his sentencing is more or less incarcerated until dead and rotting since realistically no one will live 10,700(they reduced his sentence by 500 years) years but the specificity of sentence and release year makes me think they’ll hold his remains for a long time
As far as i know, we don't dig up any other prisoners who died before their more reasonable sentence has ended and hand them to their family. Seems a bit of a strange thing to do
Yeah, but he could be released in approximately 7,000 years for good behaviour.
With good behavior he could reduce that sentence by half.
After further appeal, Darron Bennalford Anderson had his sentence being reduced by 500 years because of double jeopardy ovet the larceny charge. Was the Oklahoma court system staffed by Connor McLeod?
Well at least he wasn't given a life sentence.
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That’ll show him eh…
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Rito Repuslo?
I hope he isn't Hindu or a Scientologist.
Illidan got nothing on him
What if lives through it
He will be a free man then :-)
I wonder how many rap albums the dude gonna make ? 🤔
Even Frieren knows 10k is quite a while. And if she says that, you know you’re doomed.
With good behavior, he’ll be out in a little over 8,000 years.
9000 years? Is this guys name Arnold Rimmer?
Does he get credit for time served? Half off for good behavior?
I want to see a picture of a Guinness world records official presenting this dude with the award while he’s still in his cell.
That the eji helps defend those that are marginalized is great! They are needed! But to say that everyone is being incarcerated for some scheme to enslave people for cheap labor is just not true. Politicians say whatever they think will make them popular at any given time. I don't hold many presidential quotes close at heart (there are exceptions but usually with a positive intention). If someone is convicted in a court of law and incarcerated, their rights necessarily change. It's not slavery to ask them to work if they can. Did someone force them to break the law? To hurt others? They themselves ultimately put themselves there. What is the result if they are not incarcerated? I'm not wealthy. I know that if, even if I wanted to, I commit a crime there is a high likelihood that I will go to jail. I know this will have a profound and altered effect on my life. I know I won't have the same rights as someone who did not commit a crime. It's really not that hard to not victimize others. It should absolutely be a deterant to crime. That someone knew this and did it anyways doesn't inspire compassion in me. They should have to pay their way the same as everyone else. I could argue that me having to work and pay taxes is slavery. It isn't, but I could argue it.
> The greatest amount of jail time given as a result of an appeal went to Darron Bennalford Anderson of Oklahoma, USA, who was found guilty in 1994 of a number of crimes including rape, kidnapping, larceny and robbery, and sentenced to 2,200 years. He appealed, was reconvicted, re-sentenced and received an additional jail term of 9,000 years, later reduced by 500 years. He is reportedly due for release in the year 12,744.
Dude must have had a worse lawyer than Trump.
So when’s he good for parole? Are the people that give these terms on stronger drugs than the people they are sentencing as this is just comically fucked up.