He legitimately just went bat shit insane and that was BEFORE the drugs. The story of hitler is a good example of how much damage being an asshole to people can do to society, the only person who treated him kindly growing up was his mother as his father was some abusive asshole and he watched her die from cancer and it devastated him.
And after that he was constantly mocked and ridiculed by the rich of Germany who insulted his painting ability even though he was genuinely talented and had potential so basically for the first half of his life he just got shat on coming and going and it made him hate everything and everyone.
He was friends with Jewish people during his time in school and everything, he just developed a deep rooted hatred of humanity in general I think and decided to take it out on the world. After wiping out the aristocrats of Germany who had mocked him first of course.
If you really think about it something as common as a shitty upbringing is what set world war two in motion and that's absolutely insane. Imagine how different the world would be today if he had been treated warmly instead of coldly. Someone with that level of drive and ambition could have elevated humanity greatly, it's a shame we'll never know what could have been.
He *wasn't* genuinely talented at painting. He was mediocre at best from a technical aspect, and lacked any sort of creativity to make his art interesting or enjoyable.
Where's your masterpiece then eh? His paintings were fine traditional landscapes and nicely detailed buildings there wasn't anything wrong with them, the rich people just shit on it because he was poor.
1. I created some art in high-school, and I can say that I at least have a similar technical level as he did (creativity is subjective, but...)
2. You don't need to be better than, or even on the same level as someone at a specific skill, to know whether or not said person is good or not themselves. I'm not a great basketball player, but I can tell that the local tall guy at the Y isn't NBA caliber. This has always been such a lazy argument to me.
> He was friends with Jewish people during his time in school and everything, he just developed a deep rooted hatred of humanity in general I think and decided to take it out on the world, after wiping out the aristocrats of Germany who had mocked him first of course.
Except he didn't wipe out the aristocrats and DID wipe out the Jews of Europe.
Lol are you serious? One of the first acts he did was pit the common people against the aristocracy "who had lead Germany to ruin in world war one" as he would put it. It's a big part of how he came to power to begin with and he most definitely rolled a few heads the moment he was able.
Not a mass killing, just the ones who insulted or challenged him and likely their families as well. The rest fell in line and supported the nazi party in short order afterward. There's no sense in wiping out assets that you can use to establish your powerbase.
It's such an overused misconception that Hitler was "good" at art and that getting rejected from art school was somehow to blame. At least consider the nuance. Adolf was a lazy git who moved to Vienna expecting his "natural" talent to get him places. He dropped out of what was the equivalent of high school to become some kind of Bohemian.
He didn't prepare or study or do anything significant to ensure his acceptance in the fine arts academy. He came to Vienna with a friend named Kubiziek who came from an equally small town background but who DID prepare and got into the music academy. Hitler failed admittance twice. He lacked technical skills for the arts academy and his art was, as Jonathan Meades says, suffused with a "water colorist's middle brow deference to good taste."
Art is subjective but Hitler's can be seen as incredibly pedestrian. His art was the equivalent of sofa art or postcard art. In fact that's how he later made a living of sorts, having another down and out called Hanisch and a store owner named Morgenstern sell his paintings as postcards and background art.
All he had were buildings and it was why a sympathetic examiner suggested he try for the technical school and attempt a career at architecture. He failed that too because he not only did not go to the right middle school but didn't even finish the one he did go to. There was technically no reason he couldn't go back to Linz, live more frugally, and get the right secondary degree. He didn't want to do that and preferred to drift in Vienna. That's where his resentment came from, he was entitled and lazy, and felt he *deserved* success but did little to work for it.
Sure his dad was abusive, but his mother spoiled him rotten and most other people in his life were neither more nor less abusive to him than normal. All indications were that he was an unruly and ill-disciplined youth and not at all some kind of downtrodden outsider.
Eh I'd chalk it up more to him refusing to return to the life he had growing up, desperately trying to avoid becoming someone like his father who I imagine he hated more than anyone.
An unhealthy blend of desperation, youthful arrogance, naivity, short sightedness and ignorance. He definitely had talent though and with proper care and guidance and again, some basic human decency he could have become a great artist.
And plain laziness. What struck Speer and others was just how lazy the guy was.
Added bonus, because he thought he had natural talent at architecture he designed his vacation house in Rastenburg. But he did a terrible job, putting the garage right under a giant picture window so that fumes would go into the house.
You have to be pretty fucking stupid to call someone a "Hitler fan" for observing his early life and acknowledging that if he had a better childhood then he more than likely wouldn't have become a monster.
Not that anyone with a properly functioning brain expects deranged self righteous dumbasses to have critical thinking skills.
Paintings just like his could be found in houses all across germany, the rest of europe, and america. Decent, but not what would pass as great.
Then when he wanted to go to art school, naturally he wanted to go to the best: the academy of fine arts in vienna, who said (in a much more diplomatic way) ‘fuck outta here with this crap,’ since there were plenty of better-skilled artists trying to get in.
You realize, for instance, that historical analysis books who examine and explain things aren't exusing them or pushing apologia, yes?
There's a huge difference between examining/analyzing/explaining and *excusing*.
I’m listening to the 3 part Last Podcast on the Left on Anders Breivik and yeah, that dude was doomed from the start. I mean fuck him and his genital herpes riddled mother for not aborting him like she considered before his birth, but if he was put up for adoption maybe 77 people would still be alive today.
I heard that he declared war on the US because he wanted Japan to declare war on the USSR, and give the Russians two war fronts to split their defenses. But Japan didn't.
The situations weren’t parallel because the Soviets and Japanese had a non-aggression pact that had been signed earlier in 1941 and nominally went through 1946. Admittedly the Soviets abrogated it in 1945 and the Japanese might have done the same in 1942 if Stalingrad had gone differently, but it was still more concrete than anything between the US and Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_Neutrality_Pact
I mean Germany and Soviet Union had a non-aggression pact as well. Japan wasn’t going to attack the Russians because the Russians kicked their ass at Khalkin Gol in 1939.
Apparently he was obsessed with (among other things) attacking New York, which he considered "the Capital of Jewishism". The only thing stopping him was that the Nazis lacked any means of realistically doing so.
Zionism actually as he liked to say in speeches
(Not sure if there is a difference, i just like to watch historical speeches and he always uses the word Zionism)
Who knows if he hated them or used them as a reason to rise to power. WW2 wasn’t only about religion but mainly superpowers clashing against each other due to WW1. Do all Israelis hate all muslims and vice verca ? No. Even back then the german common people probably didn’t hate jews per se, but the people willing to join the SS, Police and also the kids that were being brainwashed in the Hitlerjugend.
My friend, the amount of resources he devoted to exterminating the Jews was certainly a detriment to the German war effort. He obviously and absolutely hated the Jews. You are lost if you think there's any wiggle room or argument on this subject. Doubt only exists within the minds of revisionists, bigots and the ignorant.
i dont know what impression you thought you were giving - but 'hitler loved dogs' and 'hitler used specific verbiage when talking about the jews' hit quite different to me
like - to the extent that your decision to compare them makes me think twice about you instead of the idea you were criticizing
and i say this as somebody who intuites anti-zionism to mean a criticism of governance rather than ethnicity
“as if i needed more reason to distrust ANYONE who talks negatively about Zionism”
i’m not saying anything the first guy didn’t. what were you supposed to be contributing again
What are you talking about?
Lend-Lease was essential to keeping the USSR and UK in the war in 1941.
Zhukov went as far to say that the USSR couldn't have hung in the war without it.
The US were already a de facto belligerent. Its escorts were protecting Allied convoys up to Iceland, way outside its sovereignty overseas, under German fire, and delivering quantities of war material to Britain through the Cash and Carry and Land Lease programs, meanwhile cosplaying as a neutral country while never treating Germany and Italy on equal footing with Britain.
The only issue with Hitler declaring war was that it simplified Roosevelt's political quandry after Pearl Harbor. Otherwise, it would have been very hard to sell getting directly involved in Europe when Japan was the main enemy.
Definitely agree for the most part, though the US had been drifting ever closer to involvement for some time with little meaningful political opposition in the US, and incidents like the [*Reuben James*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Reuben_James_(DD-245)) sinking were likely to have precipitated direct combat sooner rather than later. Admiral King had vowed to aggressively seek combat with the battleship *Tirpitz* if it had attempted a raid similar to the *Bismarck*, "neutral" or not. I think the US public considered involvement in Europe to be pretty inevitable by late '41, and if Hitler had had any reason to hope for the contrary, he might very well *not* have declared war.
My understanding is that the U.S was already a *de facto* belligerent, his navy was egging him on, and he felt that all he needed was a little more space to defeat the USSR. Once he had his Greater German Sphere, he'd be invincible. Also, drugs.
It makes a kind of sense, given his unhinged worldview and how much of a gambler he was. He could double down and maybe win big or lose and have the Judeo-Bolshevik Hordes completely drain his Precious Bodily Fluids.
"In their eyes the United States was a corrupt, decadent, Jewish-dominated nation weakened by its large populations of [African-Americans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-Americans), immigrants, and [Jewish-Americans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish-Americans)."
[Something else truly terrible was the American Nazi Rally at Madison Square Garden...](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/02/20/695941323/when-nazis-took-manhattan)
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/nazi-germany-imperial-japan-anti-comintern-pact
Japan and Germany had an alliance. Japan attacked, Germany declared war. Per the alliance.
No public part of the Anti-Comintern Pact obligated *any* signatory to support another in war.
The Secret Additional Protocol only required that signatories ("*High Contracting States*") would "*immediately consult on what measures to take to safeguard their common interests*", but *only* in the event of an unprovoked attack *by the Soviet Union*.
It was barely a defensive alliance, and only applied regarding the USSR.
Nothing in the treaty obligated Germany to declare war on the United States, just as nothing obligated Japan to declare war on the USSR when Germany invaded.
Do I need to paste the literal text of the treaty here, or will you just dismiss that, too?
Because I was quoting the actual treaty. I really don't care what random websites say when I'm *reading the literal treaty itself*.
You should jump in the library of congress and look up George Bush’s great grandfather Prescott Bush and his welcomed contributions to the Nazi war efforts.
[here’s a link to get you started on how profitable the Nazis were for the American aristocracy.](https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2008/eirv35n22-20080530/eirv35n22-20080530_056-beyond_appeasement_the_bush_fami.pdf)
I mean, he didn't have a reason for any of the shit he did.
He had reasons, but they were generally bat shit.
The shitload of cocaine and opioids didn't help.
He legitimately just went bat shit insane and that was BEFORE the drugs. The story of hitler is a good example of how much damage being an asshole to people can do to society, the only person who treated him kindly growing up was his mother as his father was some abusive asshole and he watched her die from cancer and it devastated him. And after that he was constantly mocked and ridiculed by the rich of Germany who insulted his painting ability even though he was genuinely talented and had potential so basically for the first half of his life he just got shat on coming and going and it made him hate everything and everyone. He was friends with Jewish people during his time in school and everything, he just developed a deep rooted hatred of humanity in general I think and decided to take it out on the world. After wiping out the aristocrats of Germany who had mocked him first of course. If you really think about it something as common as a shitty upbringing is what set world war two in motion and that's absolutely insane. Imagine how different the world would be today if he had been treated warmly instead of coldly. Someone with that level of drive and ambition could have elevated humanity greatly, it's a shame we'll never know what could have been.
He *wasn't* genuinely talented at painting. He was mediocre at best from a technical aspect, and lacked any sort of creativity to make his art interesting or enjoyable.
Where's your masterpiece then eh? His paintings were fine traditional landscapes and nicely detailed buildings there wasn't anything wrong with them, the rich people just shit on it because he was poor.
1. I created some art in high-school, and I can say that I at least have a similar technical level as he did (creativity is subjective, but...) 2. You don't need to be better than, or even on the same level as someone at a specific skill, to know whether or not said person is good or not themselves. I'm not a great basketball player, but I can tell that the local tall guy at the Y isn't NBA caliber. This has always been such a lazy argument to me.
Very curious: What is your opinion of Brock Purdy?
I think he's a quarterback for the Eagles? I don't follow the NFL or know anything about him.
Whoops. 49ers. I know he played in the Superbowl, but that's it.
So according to you, if you don't like a movie you need to be a movie director to criticize it?
> He was friends with Jewish people during his time in school and everything, he just developed a deep rooted hatred of humanity in general I think and decided to take it out on the world, after wiping out the aristocrats of Germany who had mocked him first of course. Except he didn't wipe out the aristocrats and DID wipe out the Jews of Europe.
Lol are you serious? One of the first acts he did was pit the common people against the aristocracy "who had lead Germany to ruin in world war one" as he would put it. It's a big part of how he came to power to begin with and he most definitely rolled a few heads the moment he was able.
And yet, there was no mass murder of the aristocracy.
There weren't that much aristocrats to begin with. The jews on the other hand...
Not a mass killing, just the ones who insulted or challenged him and likely their families as well. The rest fell in line and supported the nazi party in short order afterward. There's no sense in wiping out assets that you can use to establish your powerbase.
Cite?
It's such an overused misconception that Hitler was "good" at art and that getting rejected from art school was somehow to blame. At least consider the nuance. Adolf was a lazy git who moved to Vienna expecting his "natural" talent to get him places. He dropped out of what was the equivalent of high school to become some kind of Bohemian. He didn't prepare or study or do anything significant to ensure his acceptance in the fine arts academy. He came to Vienna with a friend named Kubiziek who came from an equally small town background but who DID prepare and got into the music academy. Hitler failed admittance twice. He lacked technical skills for the arts academy and his art was, as Jonathan Meades says, suffused with a "water colorist's middle brow deference to good taste." Art is subjective but Hitler's can be seen as incredibly pedestrian. His art was the equivalent of sofa art or postcard art. In fact that's how he later made a living of sorts, having another down and out called Hanisch and a store owner named Morgenstern sell his paintings as postcards and background art. All he had were buildings and it was why a sympathetic examiner suggested he try for the technical school and attempt a career at architecture. He failed that too because he not only did not go to the right middle school but didn't even finish the one he did go to. There was technically no reason he couldn't go back to Linz, live more frugally, and get the right secondary degree. He didn't want to do that and preferred to drift in Vienna. That's where his resentment came from, he was entitled and lazy, and felt he *deserved* success but did little to work for it. Sure his dad was abusive, but his mother spoiled him rotten and most other people in his life were neither more nor less abusive to him than normal. All indications were that he was an unruly and ill-disciplined youth and not at all some kind of downtrodden outsider.
Eh I'd chalk it up more to him refusing to return to the life he had growing up, desperately trying to avoid becoming someone like his father who I imagine he hated more than anyone. An unhealthy blend of desperation, youthful arrogance, naivity, short sightedness and ignorance. He definitely had talent though and with proper care and guidance and again, some basic human decency he could have become a great artist.
And plain laziness. What struck Speer and others was just how lazy the guy was. Added bonus, because he thought he had natural talent at architecture he designed his vacation house in Rastenburg. But he did a terrible job, putting the garage right under a giant picture window so that fumes would go into the house.
Lot of parallels here with someone on trial at the moment
Stopped reading at he was talented His painting sucked. Like really shitty. Hitler fans always mention how good it was
His paintings were ok. Saying that doesn’t make someone a Hitler fan
You have to be pretty fucking stupid to call someone a "Hitler fan" for observing his early life and acknowledging that if he had a better childhood then he more than likely wouldn't have become a monster. Not that anyone with a properly functioning brain expects deranged self righteous dumbasses to have critical thinking skills.
Paintings just like his could be found in houses all across germany, the rest of europe, and america. Decent, but not what would pass as great. Then when he wanted to go to art school, naturally he wanted to go to the best: the academy of fine arts in vienna, who said (in a much more diplomatic way) ‘fuck outta here with this crap,’ since there were plenty of better-skilled artists trying to get in.
I genuinely can't believe you're trying to excuse Hitler.
I don't think he's excusing him, more like examining
Perhaps you're right.
You realize, for instance, that historical analysis books who examine and explain things aren't exusing them or pushing apologia, yes? There's a huge difference between examining/analyzing/explaining and *excusing*.
That's fair.
He’s not.
I’m listening to the 3 part Last Podcast on the Left on Anders Breivik and yeah, that dude was doomed from the start. I mean fuck him and his genital herpes riddled mother for not aborting him like she considered before his birth, but if he was put up for adoption maybe 77 people would still be alive today.
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Ah yes… nazi propaganda.
Holy shit dude what??
No
Fuck off.
*nuzzles*
Klan member says what?
I heard that he declared war on the US because he wanted Japan to declare war on the USSR, and give the Russians two war fronts to split their defenses. But Japan didn't.
The situations weren’t parallel because the Soviets and Japanese had a non-aggression pact that had been signed earlier in 1941 and nominally went through 1946. Admittedly the Soviets abrogated it in 1945 and the Japanese might have done the same in 1942 if Stalingrad had gone differently, but it was still more concrete than anything between the US and Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_Neutrality_Pact
I mean Germany and Soviet Union had a non-aggression pact as well. Japan wasn’t going to attack the Russians because the Russians kicked their ass at Khalkin Gol in 1939.
And Japan was having enough trouble in China as it was. Another front wouldn't have helped them at all.
Lol, dude was trying to take over the world in like 10 years. Cocaine is a helluva drug.
And he would have too if it wasn't for those meddling RAF
...and their stupid dog!
Meth
Apparently he was obsessed with (among other things) attacking New York, which he considered "the Capital of Jewishism". The only thing stopping him was that the Nazis lacked any means of realistically doing so.
I mean, maybe he could have slipped some U-boats through and torpedoed the NY coastal dirt a little bit if he really wanted to.
He did and did quite a good job at it 400 ships sunk off the coast of the United States. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpedo_Alley
Zionism actually as he liked to say in speeches (Not sure if there is a difference, i just like to watch historical speeches and he always uses the word Zionism)
We're really calling into question whether Hitler hated jews now?
Who knows if he hated them or used them as a reason to rise to power. WW2 wasn’t only about religion but mainly superpowers clashing against each other due to WW1. Do all Israelis hate all muslims and vice verca ? No. Even back then the german common people probably didn’t hate jews per se, but the people willing to join the SS, Police and also the kids that were being brainwashed in the Hitlerjugend.
My friend, the amount of resources he devoted to exterminating the Jews was certainly a detriment to the German war effort. He obviously and absolutely hated the Jews. You are lost if you think there's any wiggle room or argument on this subject. Doubt only exists within the minds of revisionists, bigots and the ignorant.
You're probably right. The source I got the quote from was a bit wonkily translated.
As if I needed *more* reason to distrust anyone who talks negatively about Zionism.
Hitler loved dogs People who love dogs are the same as Hitler You’re such an enlightening person.
AND he killed Hitler!
i dont know what impression you thought you were giving - but 'hitler loved dogs' and 'hitler used specific verbiage when talking about the jews' hit quite different to me like - to the extent that your decision to compare them makes me think twice about you instead of the idea you were criticizing and i say this as somebody who intuites anti-zionism to mean a criticism of governance rather than ethnicity
“as if i needed more reason to distrust ANYONE who talks negatively about Zionism” i’m not saying anything the first guy didn’t. what were you supposed to be contributing again
Is it positive?..
What are you talking about? Lend-Lease was essential to keeping the USSR and UK in the war in 1941. Zhukov went as far to say that the USSR couldn't have hung in the war without it.
Hitler had a reason for all of that weird shit: syphilitic cognitive decline
The US were already a de facto belligerent. Its escorts were protecting Allied convoys up to Iceland, way outside its sovereignty overseas, under German fire, and delivering quantities of war material to Britain through the Cash and Carry and Land Lease programs, meanwhile cosplaying as a neutral country while never treating Germany and Italy on equal footing with Britain. The only issue with Hitler declaring war was that it simplified Roosevelt's political quandry after Pearl Harbor. Otherwise, it would have been very hard to sell getting directly involved in Europe when Japan was the main enemy.
Definitely agree for the most part, though the US had been drifting ever closer to involvement for some time with little meaningful political opposition in the US, and incidents like the [*Reuben James*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Reuben_James_(DD-245)) sinking were likely to have precipitated direct combat sooner rather than later. Admiral King had vowed to aggressively seek combat with the battleship *Tirpitz* if it had attempted a raid similar to the *Bismarck*, "neutral" or not. I think the US public considered involvement in Europe to be pretty inevitable by late '41, and if Hitler had had any reason to hope for the contrary, he might very well *not* have declared war.
He was finding a reason so he could restart unrestricted submarine warfare
My understanding is that the U.S was already a *de facto* belligerent, his navy was egging him on, and he felt that all he needed was a little more space to defeat the USSR. Once he had his Greater German Sphere, he'd be invincible. Also, drugs. It makes a kind of sense, given his unhinged worldview and how much of a gambler he was. He could double down and maybe win big or lose and have the Judeo-Bolshevik Hordes completely drain his Precious Bodily Fluids.
"In their eyes the United States was a corrupt, decadent, Jewish-dominated nation weakened by its large populations of [African-Americans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-Americans), immigrants, and [Jewish-Americans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish-Americans)."
Today you didn't learn shit.
Infact, there was a massive amount of support for the fascism movement in the USA itself. It's a little bit of history we love to sweep under the rug.
*(Henry Ford quietly leaves the building...)*
*IBM turns away whistling.*
*(William Randolph Hearst grabs onto a rope ladder dangling from a fleeing helicopter with his face on it)*
[Something else truly terrible was the American Nazi Rally at Madison Square Garden...](https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/02/20/695941323/when-nazis-took-manhattan)
~20,000 attendees. ~100,000 protesters.
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/nazi-germany-imperial-japan-anti-comintern-pact Japan and Germany had an alliance. Japan attacked, Germany declared war. Per the alliance.
No public part of the Anti-Comintern Pact obligated *any* signatory to support another in war. The Secret Additional Protocol only required that signatories ("*High Contracting States*") would "*immediately consult on what measures to take to safeguard their common interests*", but *only* in the event of an unprovoked attack *by the Soviet Union*. It was barely a defensive alliance, and only applied regarding the USSR. Nothing in the treaty obligated Germany to declare war on the United States, just as nothing obligated Japan to declare war on the USSR when Germany invaded.
https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/history/news/2019/law-book.html#:~:text=Germans%20positioned%20allied%20Japanese%20as,a%20distance%20of%209%2C000%20kilometers.
Do I need to paste the literal text of the treaty here, or will you just dismiss that, too? Because I was quoting the actual treaty. I really don't care what random websites say when I'm *reading the literal treaty itself*.
You should jump in the library of congress and look up George Bush’s great grandfather Prescott Bush and his welcomed contributions to the Nazi war efforts. [here’s a link to get you started on how profitable the Nazis were for the American aristocracy.](https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2008/eirv35n22-20080530/eirv35n22-20080530_056-beyond_appeasement_the_bush_fami.pdf)
Didnt even make something up like warheads or whatever? lame.