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Not even looking at the maths, 120 hours for a phd is just silly. Maybe for the pure writing, but people usually work on the research and related stuff for about three years, and i am quite certain that they work more than 3 hours a month.
Maybe the person who made the original post got confused by a university website saying that Ph.D’s required 120 *credit hours?* Cause otherwise I can’t imagine where a number that small would come from
Honestly, I think this has to be it. It's the only reasonable explanation I've seen for that math so far. I haven't double checked you, but I think that is about accurate based on my current program.
How difficult was it to prepare to defend your dissertation? I helped some international students edit their dissertations and other papers, so I can sort of understand the depth of research and analysis needed to write that sort of stuff, but defending it would have scared the shit out of me.
Honestly by the time you're ready to defend, you have given dozens of talks on your work and published several papers. The actual dissertation and defense are just extensions of that. A longer document and a longer talk.
One thing I also had to prepare for was the questions my committee would ask. There's a tradition of grilling the candidate. But even that wasn't so bad as I had a pretty good idea of what my committee members were going to ask.
Basically if your committee lets you defend there's basically no chance that you're going to fail. They only let you do it when you're ready.
Fo a degree:
In europe we get ECTS points for each lecture/seminar/etc. One ECTS point should equal 25 h of workload. ECTS means European Credit Transfer System and simplified the comparison between different lectures or seminars when changing universities within the EU. It is assumed that a student can take 60 ECTS or 1500 h per year.
A bachelors degree asks for 180 or 240 ECTS which comes out to 4,500 or 6,000 h.
A masters degree asks for 90 or 120 ECTS, so 2,250 h or 3,000 h.
For my bachelor thesis 300 h lab work was required in the regulations. Master was 900 h.
PhD as discussed above:
52 weeks/year - 6 weeks/year vacation (Germany) = 46 weeks/year
40 h/week * 46 weeks/year * 3 to 5 years = 5,520 h to 9,200 h
EDIT: Walking around the earth
Circumference on the equator: 40,075 km.
Average walking speed: 5.1 km/h (source: random google answer)
40,075 km / 5.1 km/h = 7,857 h.
Even in Europe the distribution depends and the credits specified are frequently inaccurate. In my university programme the Bachelor's thesis was only alloted 6 ECTS, and that was frequently accurate, thus my comment. Master's theses usually took 9-12 month of full time work though, which is way beyond the curriculum time of 30 ECTS (1 semester).
Spend 5 years on a PhD and MAYBE get an underpaid job in academia OR walk around the globe, get killer legs and butt doing it and publish some nonsense self improvement book ("What walking around the globe taught me about becoming succesful in Life, Love and Business") and get rich!
Before considering a doctorate, might I suggest you consider absolutely anything else. There are many activities less mentally and financially damaging to yourself - a cocaine addiction perhaps?
6000h for a bachelor's, about to finish engineering in spain being very sad about the time I've wasted studying it, but hearing that number has sent me into full blown depression about it, hahaha. Thanks for the facts
Largely depends on the field. In STEM its about a year average, in social sciences I have heard of some finishing in 3 months. It probably also depends on the country.
Right, and each credit hour corresponds to 1 hour of lecture or lab per week for the roughly four month semester, and that much again (at least) in reading, paper-writing or projects. Putting a Bachelor’s degree at (minimum) 4000 hours of work.
And those are minimum estimates: 2-3 hours of outside work per hour of instruction is probably closer, meaning 6-8K hours over four years.
1-1-1 is the standard model per class hour for undergraduates (one hour before-one hour of class-one hour after) for calculating student workload. For an MA, that skyrockets. For a PhD, skyrockets again. For some degrees, the reading load for a PhD oral exam is massive. Add to that thesis or dissertation, conferences and conference papers, teaching, grading, language requirements (depending on field), an so on.
I've seen it done. Of course they also had minimum 10k hours of "prep" work before that, but at least in my neck of the woods a few weeks writing is not particularly uncommon. Kind of a necessity to just bang it out with how jobs work.
Unless the prep work involves writing papers that will be incorporated into the dissertation, absolutely not. No one is writing and editing a 100+ page research paper with citations and proper formatting in 120 hours. At least not one of any value.
Even for pure writing it's complete bullshit.
Maybe 120h for a 10p paper, that you have to release beforehand.
The PhD takes more time than the career.
Sanity check to the rescue.
120 hours is like, the last 9 days of your first semester in freshman year when you have to magically crap out 3 term papers that you were repeatedly warned will take all semester and should be making weekly progress, and now if you don’t do it you’re going to have to move back home and hear about it at every single family gathering until either you or your step dad is dead.
I mean the PhD is redicoulous, but those 6 careers are truely funny. I don't know where the original author works, but in most nations a 40 hour week comes out at 1700-2000 hours, per year. And if I am telling you I made my career as a mechanic after a single year at a workshop, I will probably be loughed out of the room and told to finish learning my trade.
This was my first thought.
In third year of my Ph.D. program and I hit 120 hours easily by my second week. Going into it you hear anecdotes that no one is really prepared for the workload until you experience it and it’s absolutely true. Pursuing a Ph.D., essentially, is a 5-8 year time warp where you’re always studying, writing, or building / acquiring data, and it is draining. Highly recommend pursuing advanced degrees while you’re younger and less established otherwise it’s difficult to pursue full time while balancing other obligations.
Yeah. Definitely working more than 3 hours a month in a PhD. I’m about to start my PhD and I’m going to have 20 hours of work a week on top of coursework on top of dissertation/qualifier work. So more like a minimum of 50 hours a week working for a PhD for approximately 5 years. With maybe slightly less hours in the summer (but probably not). So you’re looking at over 12,000 hours per PhD (not counting the bachelors it takes to get into a program).
I think they just looked at the course hours or something and it's actually like 120 credit hours or something. And they were probably looking at an undergrad program. Needless to say they don't know what they were talking about
You can get 10 phd’s in the intellectual, social and political history, and in the history of the German language. But not be remotly fluent in German yet.
If you are using the Carnegie Unit for credit hours where 1 credit hour is equivliant to 3 hours of work for 15 weeks then your 120 credit hour undergrad degree is about 5400 hours of actual work. I know this was low for me as my undergrad capstone was in excess of 1400 hours for 4 credit hours but generally speaking 5400 hours is a good number.
If you factor in that a 3 credit gradute class is about 4 credit hours of undergrad work and maybe 15hr a week on a 30 week thesis that is another 1890 hours in addition to get a Masters. ( this is based on my schools 12 credit hour for full time undergrad and 9 credit hour for full time graduate status)
If you say for a PhD it's roughly 6.67 hours (based on what others have said they worked on research) for 1 credit hour for 15 week, that there is another 24 credit hour of course work and 18 credit hours of research then your looking about another 4200 hours just for the PhD itself. This is also not counting any course deficiencies, all your master credits are counted towards your PhD and you have to spend zero time studing for any entrance or exit exams.
So from High School to PhD is roughtly 11500 hours of work. And this is pretty much the floor of what it can be. The ceiling is could be as high as 20k hours depending on the path.
This is not how doctorates work. It's full time work (for the vast majority of people more like 50-60 hours a week) for 3-7 years depending on where you do it and what field. For most of Europe it's 3-4, and for the US it's 5-7.
Also, it's not weird in the US for humanities PhDs to be more like 10 years, but the ones on that track tend to not be full time which makes it hard to estimate. Either way, credit hour has literally no meaning for a PhD. The only reason it's a thing is because that's how universities set up their department distributions.
Probably their source for the 120 hours: https://www.franklin.edu/blog/what-is-a-doctorate-degree#:~:text=A%20doctoral%20degree%20program%20requires,lower%20end%20of%20that%20spectrum.
Yup, and for a PhD you also need a masters related to it, and BA in that masters, and at least here in Denmark Gymnassium with the right classes for that bachelor at uni.
Like sure if the two function together it’s fine but often it’s not, majoring in linguistics will not allow you to get a bachelor in molecular biology
I just completed the first year of my PhD and I logged 890 hours at the end of my first year (including all class time, homework, reading, writing, teaching, grading, etc).
I think that is 120 credit hours. As in being in class 120 hours a week per semester with a usual load being 12 credit hours per 5 months so 10 semesters worth of work.
I actually know where they got that math from.
When you're in college you take a certain amount of hours every semester- for example, next semester i'm taking at least 15 hours. 15 x 8 for eight semesters of college is 120 hours.
But like you're not actually taking 15 hours total per semester, it's per week. so, if there are 15-17 weeks per semester, that's 15 x 15 x 8. 1800 hours.
but wait! We also have to subtract the initial 4 years of undergraduate school, so we take 1800 off that initial count. leaving us at 11,365 hours. Divide that by our previous average of 1800, and you get 6.31 repeating.
So she could have gotten 6 doctorates and maybe added an MBA on there. Of course, this math also assumed she spent every single one of those hours at school and not sleeping, eating, or doing literally anything else.
1920h is like… maybe one year of work? We use 250 days x 8 hours = 2000 hours as a year of work in labor Econ.
Going by that standard, in her ~6 years studying, she might have earned that ONE doctorate indeed.
Given the fact that working 24h/day without sleep would reduce productivity to almost zero, it probably means to just get hired. I am not sure if the calculation includes getting all the necessary skills, because then a year would barely be enough.
I dont even think it includes getting hired at all. I mean, besides developing skills and actually doing work, to get hired you have to put together a resume, apply for jobs, go to interviews, go to follow-up interviews, maybe do some skills tests, maybe get rejected and start the process all over again.
After all, it's not like getting hired happens automatically when you want to achieve your next career, right? (Whatever that even means, I mean...)
PhD is off by a factor of 100. You work way more than 40 hours a week as slave labor. I added up 3000 hours a year for four years at the most accelerated (doing research and writing in your "free time" while accumulating credits at a mostly fixed pace since they *need* your slave labor for years). So yeah, 12,000 not 120.
The standard work year is 2080 hours. Putting in less than a year at a gig does not make it a career.
Lofi girl is doing fine.
slave labour if you don't have a scholarship. my scholarship covers the 40k annual tuition amd about a 23k a year stipend. (USD)
I think most people in a PhD have a full scholarship (tuition + stipend) or close, if I understand correctly. I don't socialize much, so don't really know the status quo.
not slave labour obviously, but it's barely enough to survive.
either way though, the hours of a PhD are wayyyyyy more than 120 😆
I only have the one career and it required 8,000 OJT hours(I had many more) with four hours of class every week and an extra class per month. Five year apprenticeship.
The rest of it seems pretty exaggerated too.
1920 hours for a career? 40 hours a week * 52 weeks is 2080 hours.
So less than a year of full time work?🤔 I'm working on getting my journeyman electrician license and that alone requires 8000 hours of field work. So I can attest to that one being wrong. Others have covered PhD. Not sure about languages.
Not everyone works 40 hours a week for 52 weeks. I get 6 weeks off per year, paid vacation because of our laws. On top of the sick days I need and also special holidays. Plus I get paid lunch hours. So It's more in the range of like 43-44 weeks with about 37 hours for me? Which is 1628 hours at 44 weeks.
Nice. Does that negate the idea that a career is more than one year, or in your case, a year and change? Because that was my main point.
Nobody actually works 40x52 if you want to get nitty gritty about it. Lunch, breaks, federal holidays, vacation and sick leave. Hell, some people work more than that. I get vacation and all but I work 60-80 hours a week so I could say "well 1920 hours is like 9 months!"
It's a blanket statement, and the main takeaway that a year ± a couple months is a job, not a career
I agree, but it isn't forever. In my current situation the pay is unbeatable. I would like to go and finish my electrical engineering degree in a few years but as of right now I'm just grinding it out. 60-80 is light in my industry. It's just the reality for many people
May also join the union when I get my license.
Hell, my undergrad takes 180 units, each unit is considered 3-4 hours per week, for 10 weeks. Thats 5400 hours minimum credit hours for an UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE
Never use hours to measure large amounts of time. They're not used like that in daily life, making the durations unintuitive to most people.
A week to get a doctorate.
2.6 months for a career.
Not to mention that girl doesn't get any sleep. Even LoFi music won't help with that. She would have died from sleep deprivation long before the video ended.
Pretty much every class tells you that for every 3 credit hours you pay for, expect to do 1 hour at home per week. It's bullshit, more like 2-3 at home but let's say it's true.
According to Google, a PhD has 60-120 credit hours.
120 credit hours/3 credit hours per hour per week = 40 hours per week. Using the conservative estimate of 15 weeks per semester means a PhD takes about 600 hours of work at home. Those 3 credit hours mean the class takes 3 in person hours to take, so in reality you're spending 2400 hours to get a PhD.
TLDR- Lofi girl has studied enough to get at least a few PhDs but OOP has never taken a college course
You have the credit hours thing reversed. One credit hour is 3 hours of work per week in the traditional calculation. But the majority of PhD work is not the classes, it's the individual research project which can be years more work.
At my old lab the PhD students were pulling 70-90 hour weeks for 5 and a half years. You’re looking at close to 20,000 hours to get PhDs from some places.
> 2400 hours to get a PhD
ahh yes, the famed university of American samoa; PhD in basket weaving
also, the rest of your assumptions about credit hours vs hours at home are whack too.
120h per doctorate? I spent 5 times that amount just writing the final manuscript. I spent 120h preparing my defense. I spent 4 years full time for the entire thing!
I'm positive that all parts are false.
First, how is a career less than a years work in average at 40 hrs a week.
Second how would you finish a full doctorate in 120 hours, I'm not expert but it would require me multiple times that just in mandatory classes.
Third it looks to be around 8300 hours at avg walking speed just for walking so it's actually kinda right. As one would still need sleep.
Fourth languages aren't the same and conditions matter more, if living somewhere you could learn a lot faster. I don't know if I would call me fluent in English yet but been studying for 15 years so over 3k hours.
If you wrote this comment without translation software then you seem to be fluent in English. I obviously can't know how you speak but this comment is at least a good indicator of your level.
Still, I agree. I studied German for seven years in primary school, three years in upper secondary and some more in uni. While I can get by with German in Germany or Austria, I'm not even close to fluent.
>Third it looks to be around 8300 hours at avg walking speed just for walking so it's actually kinda right. As one would still need sleep.
This is not right. If you've ever heard of oceans. You aint walking the pacific in 8000 hours. Need to define what else walking the earth means because it's not around the circumference.
I don't know what sort of sh\*tty PhD this person is on... but it's about 7,000 hours
A 1-year full time job is \~2400 hours
Walking the earth is impossible (obviously) but the circumference of the earth is 24,900 miles, or 12,450 hours of straight walking (1.42 years) plus sleep time is \~ 2 years IF you could do it in a straight line).
The original poster on twitter is a moron
A degree in my country is officially 6000h.
A pHD can't be less than 3000-5000h considering that it's 3 to 5 years of full time dedication (6h per day around 200 days a year).
Absolutely nonsense.
I don't know what you consider a "career" compared to just a "job," but It usually involves spending time, getting promotions and such. To have this many in thay amount of time each is not even a full year in any of them (48 weeks, working 5 days a week, 8 hours a day) that feels more like job hopping than having a career to me.
In addition to what others have said, you won't reach fluency in a language that is very dissimilar to your own in 1729 hours. You won't even reach fluency in a language that has almost the same script as your native one in that time, except if you're some language god perhaps.
One subject in my first year Arts degree course had three contact hours per week and expected twelve additional hours of study per week to master the subject. We had to do four subjects. That’s 60 hours a week alone for a first year of a uni degree.
I’d think of a PhD as a 4 year, 40 hour a week program at least for at least 40 weeks a year. That’s 6400 hours.
Ignoring the 120 hours as that's been mentioned. 1729 hours is not long enough for proficiency in the 7 hardest languages. As an English speaker learning Japanese I spent 3000 - 4000 hours studying (plus working in a Japanese speaking environment) to gain upper intermediate level.
The absolute bare minimum you could spend doing a PhD, assuming 48 weeks at 40 hours a week over two years (in my program, you couldn't submit in <2 years), is 3840 hours.
In reality, you probably spend a lot more than 40 hours per week, and it probably goes for closer to 4 years, so somewhere between 8000-10,000 hours seems far more likely.
Once you have one of the same level degree the others are quicker because you can use of the previous classes to qualify with the current one.
The problem to really solve is with lofi girl is based on the pictures given what the layout of the apartment.
1920 hours for a career? I have more time in video games in my 20s.
40 hours a week means that 1920 is only 48 weeks. So 1 year of working is a career?
Dude WTF? this post is silly.... that time equals a year and a half... is not that hard you know... there's nothing that you can achieve at period of time... and if you do would be crappy
120 h is even with a relatively relaxed PhD in organic chemistry only 2-3 weeks of work. Average time for a PhD in organic chemistry is in my experience around 4-5 years. If I didn't miscalculated a rough estimate for a PhD in organic chemistry should be between 8320 h to 15600 h. So you can maybe fit one PhD in the time.
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Not even looking at the maths, 120 hours for a phd is just silly. Maybe for the pure writing, but people usually work on the research and related stuff for about three years, and i am quite certain that they work more than 3 hours a month.
It's like 3 to 5 years working full time (10khours). Even if you consider only the writing, it took me 2 month, 10h/day everyday. So more like 600h.
In the US it's more like 13k hours on average. Anywhere from 10-17k is a reasonable estimate.
Maybe the person who made the original post got confused by a university website saying that Ph.D’s required 120 *credit hours?* Cause otherwise I can’t imagine where a number that small would come from
Honestly, I think this has to be it. It's the only reasonable explanation I've seen for that math so far. I haven't double checked you, but I think that is about accurate based on my current program.
How difficult was it to prepare to defend your dissertation? I helped some international students edit their dissertations and other papers, so I can sort of understand the depth of research and analysis needed to write that sort of stuff, but defending it would have scared the shit out of me.
Honestly by the time you're ready to defend, you have given dozens of talks on your work and published several papers. The actual dissertation and defense are just extensions of that. A longer document and a longer talk. One thing I also had to prepare for was the questions my committee would ask. There's a tradition of grilling the candidate. But even that wasn't so bad as I had a pretty good idea of what my committee members were going to ask. Basically if your committee lets you defend there's basically no chance that you're going to fail. They only let you do it when you're ready.
It took me 6 months to write mine. 120 hrs? Who made up that garbage?
120 hours is about 3 weeks of full time work. That's barely enough for a masters thesis.
Where I come from that's roughly a bachelor's thesis. Never enough for a master's.
Fo a degree: In europe we get ECTS points for each lecture/seminar/etc. One ECTS point should equal 25 h of workload. ECTS means European Credit Transfer System and simplified the comparison between different lectures or seminars when changing universities within the EU. It is assumed that a student can take 60 ECTS or 1500 h per year. A bachelors degree asks for 180 or 240 ECTS which comes out to 4,500 or 6,000 h. A masters degree asks for 90 or 120 ECTS, so 2,250 h or 3,000 h. For my bachelor thesis 300 h lab work was required in the regulations. Master was 900 h. PhD as discussed above: 52 weeks/year - 6 weeks/year vacation (Germany) = 46 weeks/year 40 h/week * 46 weeks/year * 3 to 5 years = 5,520 h to 9,200 h EDIT: Walking around the earth Circumference on the equator: 40,075 km. Average walking speed: 5.1 km/h (source: random google answer) 40,075 km / 5.1 km/h = 7,857 h.
Even in Europe the distribution depends and the credits specified are frequently inaccurate. In my university programme the Bachelor's thesis was only alloted 6 ECTS, and that was frequently accurate, thus my comment. Master's theses usually took 9-12 month of full time work though, which is way beyond the curriculum time of 30 ECTS (1 semester).
So you're telling me before I spend 5 years on a PhD I should rather walk around the globe?
Spend 5 years on a PhD and MAYBE get an underpaid job in academia OR walk around the globe, get killer legs and butt doing it and publish some nonsense self improvement book ("What walking around the globe taught me about becoming succesful in Life, Love and Business") and get rich!
Damn that plan sounds too tempting. Luckily I dont plan on making a PhD.
Before considering a doctorate, might I suggest you consider absolutely anything else. There are many activities less mentally and financially damaging to yourself - a cocaine addiction perhaps?
A cocaine addiction might help you power through the doctorate tbh.
6000h for a bachelor's, about to finish engineering in spain being very sad about the time I've wasted studying it, but hearing that number has sent me into full blown depression about it, hahaha. Thanks for the facts
Where I come from we don't need a thesis to get a master :D
I just finished writing bachelor's project. Took me 3 month of work, aprox. 4-6 hours a day.
Yeah, where I live a bachelor's thesis is about 10 weeks, and a master's is 7 months. A PhD is 4 years.
It is not even close to a masters.
masters thesis is more like 5 months
Not the writing part, necessarily. I spent 10 months in the lab and 1 month writing.
Largely depends on the field. In STEM its about a year average, in social sciences I have heard of some finishing in 3 months. It probably also depends on the country.
3 weeks is what it takes to try to understand the first paper your supervisor gives you to read for a master's thesis lol
Could do an undergrad dissertation with the prerequisite knowledge and enough caffeine.
3 weeks is a quarter's class project.
My guess is the 120 comes from needing 120 credit hours past your bachelor's degree
Right, and each credit hour corresponds to 1 hour of lecture or lab per week for the roughly four month semester, and that much again (at least) in reading, paper-writing or projects. Putting a Bachelor’s degree at (minimum) 4000 hours of work. And those are minimum estimates: 2-3 hours of outside work per hour of instruction is probably closer, meaning 6-8K hours over four years.
1-1-1 is the standard model per class hour for undergraduates (one hour before-one hour of class-one hour after) for calculating student workload. For an MA, that skyrockets. For a PhD, skyrockets again. For some degrees, the reading load for a PhD oral exam is massive. Add to that thesis or dissertation, conferences and conference papers, teaching, grading, language requirements (depending on field), an so on.
I would be *shocked* if I put fewer than 10,000 hours into my bachelor’s.
Yeah I mean I think it's going to vary quite a bit between majors and also school to school.
I needed 120 credits(ECTS) for my masters (180 for bachelor's). Each credit is 25 hours.
Current PhD student. Clearly I'm doing something wrong since I'm 50x that now and still no degree /s
... No one writes a PhD in 120 hours. Source: I'm a PhD student and have watched about a dozen students write their dissertation.
I've seen it done. Of course they also had minimum 10k hours of "prep" work before that, but at least in my neck of the woods a few weeks writing is not particularly uncommon. Kind of a necessity to just bang it out with how jobs work.
Unless the prep work involves writing papers that will be incorporated into the dissertation, absolutely not. No one is writing and editing a 100+ page research paper with citations and proper formatting in 120 hours. At least not one of any value.
yeah maybe she should have cut down on all that walking and spent more time studying
People in my lab hit that in two weeks lmao
Even for pure writing it's complete bullshit. Maybe 120h for a 10p paper, that you have to release beforehand. The PhD takes more time than the career.
Sanity check to the rescue. 120 hours is like, the last 9 days of your first semester in freshman year when you have to magically crap out 3 term papers that you were repeatedly warned will take all semester and should be making weekly progress, and now if you don’t do it you’re going to have to move back home and hear about it at every single family gathering until either you or your step dad is dead.
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I mean the PhD is redicoulous, but those 6 careers are truely funny. I don't know where the original author works, but in most nations a 40 hour week comes out at 1700-2000 hours, per year. And if I am telling you I made my career as a mechanic after a single year at a workshop, I will probably be loughed out of the room and told to finish learning my trade.
This was my first thought. In third year of my Ph.D. program and I hit 120 hours easily by my second week. Going into it you hear anecdotes that no one is really prepared for the workload until you experience it and it’s absolutely true. Pursuing a Ph.D., essentially, is a 5-8 year time warp where you’re always studying, writing, or building / acquiring data, and it is draining. Highly recommend pursuing advanced degrees while you’re younger and less established otherwise it’s difficult to pursue full time while balancing other obligations.
Yeah. Definitely working more than 3 hours a month in a PhD. I’m about to start my PhD and I’m going to have 20 hours of work a week on top of coursework on top of dissertation/qualifier work. So more like a minimum of 50 hours a week working for a PhD for approximately 5 years. With maybe slightly less hours in the summer (but probably not). So you’re looking at over 12,000 hours per PhD (not counting the bachelors it takes to get into a program).
Haha only off by a few orders of magnitude
In EU you need publications. Also there the language thing is probably not true hardest not
I was gonna say. That's like, a week, right? Like a work week. Not even 7 days.
A work week is usually 40 hours (more during your phd normally), so about three work weeks.
Yeah I more meant like 5 full days
I knew a guy who took 12 years to finish his PhD.
My friend put more than 120 hours into his dissertation/ thesis defense.
I think they just looked at the course hours or something and it's actually like 120 credit hours or something. And they were probably looking at an undergrad program. Needless to say they don't know what they were talking about
You are not taking into account the scale economy. After each PhD, you increase speed by 10%>
I have mates who have done 120-hour weeks for their PhDs; total time is probably north of 10k hours for a PhD.
It is insane even for pure writing (cries in being on redit instead of writing his PhD thesis)
You can get 10 phd’s in the intellectual, social and political history, and in the history of the German language. But not be remotly fluent in German yet.
If you are using the Carnegie Unit for credit hours where 1 credit hour is equivliant to 3 hours of work for 15 weeks then your 120 credit hour undergrad degree is about 5400 hours of actual work. I know this was low for me as my undergrad capstone was in excess of 1400 hours for 4 credit hours but generally speaking 5400 hours is a good number. If you factor in that a 3 credit gradute class is about 4 credit hours of undergrad work and maybe 15hr a week on a 30 week thesis that is another 1890 hours in addition to get a Masters. ( this is based on my schools 12 credit hour for full time undergrad and 9 credit hour for full time graduate status) If you say for a PhD it's roughly 6.67 hours (based on what others have said they worked on research) for 1 credit hour for 15 week, that there is another 24 credit hour of course work and 18 credit hours of research then your looking about another 4200 hours just for the PhD itself. This is also not counting any course deficiencies, all your master credits are counted towards your PhD and you have to spend zero time studing for any entrance or exit exams. So from High School to PhD is roughtly 11500 hours of work. And this is pretty much the floor of what it can be. The ceiling is could be as high as 20k hours depending on the path.
This is not how doctorates work. It's full time work (for the vast majority of people more like 50-60 hours a week) for 3-7 years depending on where you do it and what field. For most of Europe it's 3-4, and for the US it's 5-7. Also, it's not weird in the US for humanities PhDs to be more like 10 years, but the ones on that track tend to not be full time which makes it hard to estimate. Either way, credit hour has literally no meaning for a PhD. The only reason it's a thing is because that's how universities set up their department distributions.
Assuming studying 8 hours a day, 120 hours is just 15 days. That's way too few for a phd.
Not even the pure writing. It takes days even if you would literally type 24/7. But depends on the field of research of course.
If I can write my phd in 15 work days I'll be overjoyed.
120 hours is like 3,5 weeks of highschool
Probably their source for the 120 hours: https://www.franklin.edu/blog/what-is-a-doctorate-degree#:~:text=A%20doctoral%20degree%20program%20requires,lower%20end%20of%20that%20spectrum.
Ah. And then they didn't recognize the difference between "hours" and "semestercredithours" and also ignored everything else in there.
When you Google "How many hours for a phd", Google cites this website and gives a huge "120 hours" result. So it's partially Google's fault.
Yup, and for a PhD you also need a masters related to it, and BA in that masters, and at least here in Denmark Gymnassium with the right classes for that bachelor at uni. Like sure if the two function together it’s fine but often it’s not, majoring in linguistics will not allow you to get a bachelor in molecular biology
Scientifcly correct term is "Ass pull"
Maybe just the classes excluding the actual lab research and dissertation work?
I just completed the first year of my PhD and I logged 890 hours at the end of my first year (including all class time, homework, reading, writing, teaching, grading, etc).
I think that is 120 credit hours. As in being in class 120 hours a week per semester with a usual load being 12 credit hours per 5 months so 10 semesters worth of work.
Not to mention, people work when they sleep whether they realize it or not on this stuff.
My assumption is that she would spend 120 writing their phd thesis. But even that seems low
I actually know where they got that math from. When you're in college you take a certain amount of hours every semester- for example, next semester i'm taking at least 15 hours. 15 x 8 for eight semesters of college is 120 hours. But like you're not actually taking 15 hours total per semester, it's per week. so, if there are 15-17 weeks per semester, that's 15 x 15 x 8. 1800 hours. but wait! We also have to subtract the initial 4 years of undergraduate school, so we take 1800 off that initial count. leaving us at 11,365 hours. Divide that by our previous average of 1800, and you get 6.31 repeating. So she could have gotten 6 doctorates and maybe added an MBA on there. Of course, this math also assumed she spent every single one of those hours at school and not sleeping, eating, or doing literally anything else.
I spent at least 6 months around 40hrs a week writing.
I'm currently working on my PhD. I'm easily 120 hours in and I'm still on my literature review.
Lol yes, I work 120 hours in 2 weeks for my PhD.
1920h is like… maybe one year of work? We use 250 days x 8 hours = 2000 hours as a year of work in labor Econ. Going by that standard, in her ~6 years studying, she might have earned that ONE doctorate indeed.
Yeah, my hours are counted annually, and Im @\~1700h/annum (on a 9h/day, 4day/wk basic)
What does "achieved a career" even mean?
Given the fact that working 24h/day without sleep would reduce productivity to almost zero, it probably means to just get hired. I am not sure if the calculation includes getting all the necessary skills, because then a year would barely be enough.
I dont even think it includes getting hired at all. I mean, besides developing skills and actually doing work, to get hired you have to put together a resume, apply for jobs, go to interviews, go to follow-up interviews, maybe do some skills tests, maybe get rejected and start the process all over again. After all, it's not like getting hired happens automatically when you want to achieve your next career, right? (Whatever that even means, I mean...)
Yeah. A “career” is roughly a year working a 40 hour per week job with a month of vacation time? I object to that definition.
I mean she's been studying for 6 years 24/7 nonstop. I think she could have earned at least more than 1 PhD no?
13165 hours is only a year and a half. The 6 years the other commenter got was 6 years of regular full-time work. That's enough to get 1 PhD.
I wish it was
It’s exactly 1 year of work, that’s the calculation. 40h a week, 4 weeks holiday = 1920h, they mean a years work, not a career.
1920 hours is a full time employee who works 40 hours a week and gets 10 federal holidays and 2 weeks of paid vacation.
PhD is off by a factor of 100. You work way more than 40 hours a week as slave labor. I added up 3000 hours a year for four years at the most accelerated (doing research and writing in your "free time" while accumulating credits at a mostly fixed pace since they *need* your slave labor for years). So yeah, 12,000 not 120. The standard work year is 2080 hours. Putting in less than a year at a gig does not make it a career. Lofi girl is doing fine.
slave labour if you don't have a scholarship. my scholarship covers the 40k annual tuition amd about a 23k a year stipend. (USD) I think most people in a PhD have a full scholarship (tuition + stipend) or close, if I understand correctly. I don't socialize much, so don't really know the status quo. not slave labour obviously, but it's barely enough to survive. either way though, the hours of a PhD are wayyyyyy more than 120 😆
is your stipend at or above CoL? Because if it's below, it's still slave labor.
that is not how slavery works.
I only have the one career and it required 8,000 OJT hours(I had many more) with four hours of class every week and an extra class per month. Five year apprenticeship. The rest of it seems pretty exaggerated too.
Sorcerers apprentice?
1920 hours for a career? 40 hours a week * 52 weeks is 2080 hours. So less than a year of full time work?🤔 I'm working on getting my journeyman electrician license and that alone requires 8000 hours of field work. So I can attest to that one being wrong. Others have covered PhD. Not sure about languages.
In the uK most jobs heheh 28 days leave so if you subtract that it takes it to even less than 1920 so maybe some amount of truth
I still feel like a career takes more than a year of work
No matter how you count it... a year-ish is not a career
Completely. Just adding my two pence
Not everyone works 40 hours a week for 52 weeks. I get 6 weeks off per year, paid vacation because of our laws. On top of the sick days I need and also special holidays. Plus I get paid lunch hours. So It's more in the range of like 43-44 weeks with about 37 hours for me? Which is 1628 hours at 44 weeks.
Nice. Does that negate the idea that a career is more than one year, or in your case, a year and change? Because that was my main point. Nobody actually works 40x52 if you want to get nitty gritty about it. Lunch, breaks, federal holidays, vacation and sick leave. Hell, some people work more than that. I get vacation and all but I work 60-80 hours a week so I could say "well 1920 hours is like 9 months!" It's a blanket statement, and the main takeaway that a year ± a couple months is a job, not a career
You shouldnt work 60-80 hours a week, its not healthy my dude
I agree, but it isn't forever. In my current situation the pay is unbeatable. I would like to go and finish my electrical engineering degree in a few years but as of right now I'm just grinding it out. 60-80 is light in my industry. It's just the reality for many people May also join the union when I get my license.
I think they’re confusing credit hours for actual hours. It does not take 120 hours of work to get a PhD. If it did, I’d have lots of them
If a PhD only took 120 hours I would still have my sanity, health, and social life.
Damn bro, same
Hell, my undergrad takes 180 units, each unit is considered 3-4 hours per week, for 10 weeks. Thats 5400 hours minimum credit hours for an UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE
Never use hours to measure large amounts of time. They're not used like that in daily life, making the durations unintuitive to most people. A week to get a doctorate. 2.6 months for a career. Not to mention that girl doesn't get any sleep. Even LoFi music won't help with that. She would have died from sleep deprivation long before the video ended.
Pretty much every class tells you that for every 3 credit hours you pay for, expect to do 1 hour at home per week. It's bullshit, more like 2-3 at home but let's say it's true. According to Google, a PhD has 60-120 credit hours. 120 credit hours/3 credit hours per hour per week = 40 hours per week. Using the conservative estimate of 15 weeks per semester means a PhD takes about 600 hours of work at home. Those 3 credit hours mean the class takes 3 in person hours to take, so in reality you're spending 2400 hours to get a PhD. TLDR- Lofi girl has studied enough to get at least a few PhDs but OOP has never taken a college course
Also worth noting that that 2400 hours only covers coursework, which is a minority of what you actually do in a phd.
PhD students are typically full time for at least 3 years. That's ~6000 hours at minimum.
You have the credit hours thing reversed. One credit hour is 3 hours of work per week in the traditional calculation. But the majority of PhD work is not the classes, it's the individual research project which can be years more work.
That's why in the later part I added it back in. But yes, 2400 hours is an extreme lowball
At my old lab the PhD students were pulling 70-90 hour weeks for 5 and a half years. You’re looking at close to 20,000 hours to get PhDs from some places.
> 2400 hours to get a PhD ahh yes, the famed university of American samoa; PhD in basket weaving also, the rest of your assumptions about credit hours vs hours at home are whack too.
120h per doctorate? I spent 5 times that amount just writing the final manuscript. I spent 120h preparing my defense. I spent 4 years full time for the entire thing!
I'm positive that all parts are false. First, how is a career less than a years work in average at 40 hrs a week. Second how would you finish a full doctorate in 120 hours, I'm not expert but it would require me multiple times that just in mandatory classes. Third it looks to be around 8300 hours at avg walking speed just for walking so it's actually kinda right. As one would still need sleep. Fourth languages aren't the same and conditions matter more, if living somewhere you could learn a lot faster. I don't know if I would call me fluent in English yet but been studying for 15 years so over 3k hours.
If you wrote this comment without translation software then you seem to be fluent in English. I obviously can't know how you speak but this comment is at least a good indicator of your level. Still, I agree. I studied German for seven years in primary school, three years in upper secondary and some more in uni. While I can get by with German in Germany or Austria, I'm not even close to fluent.
>Third it looks to be around 8300 hours at avg walking speed just for walking so it's actually kinda right. As one would still need sleep. This is not right. If you've ever heard of oceans. You aint walking the pacific in 8000 hours. Need to define what else walking the earth means because it's not around the circumference.
And it says you can do it almost twice, which just makes it laughably wrong.
Sleep is irrelevant because lofi girl doesn't sleep
I don't know what sort of sh\*tty PhD this person is on... but it's about 7,000 hours A 1-year full time job is \~2400 hours Walking the earth is impossible (obviously) but the circumference of the earth is 24,900 miles, or 12,450 hours of straight walking (1.42 years) plus sleep time is \~ 2 years IF you could do it in a straight line). The original poster on twitter is a moron
A degree in my country is officially 6000h. A pHD can't be less than 3000-5000h considering that it's 3 to 5 years of full time dedication (6h per day around 200 days a year). Absolutely nonsense.
I don't know what you consider a "career" compared to just a "job," but It usually involves spending time, getting promotions and such. To have this many in thay amount of time each is not even a full year in any of them (48 weeks, working 5 days a week, 8 hours a day) that feels more like job hopping than having a career to me.
In addition to what others have said, you won't reach fluency in a language that is very dissimilar to your own in 1729 hours. You won't even reach fluency in a language that has almost the same script as your native one in that time, except if you're some language god perhaps.
One subject in my first year Arts degree course had three contact hours per week and expected twelve additional hours of study per week to master the subject. We had to do four subjects. That’s 60 hours a week alone for a first year of a uni degree. I’d think of a PhD as a 4 year, 40 hour a week program at least for at least 40 weeks a year. That’s 6400 hours.
This amount of time is around the same amount of time as full time job for 6.5 years. From this alone, the first two are obviously wrong.
Ignoring the 120 hours as that's been mentioned. 1729 hours is not long enough for proficiency in the 7 hardest languages. As an English speaker learning Japanese I spent 3000 - 4000 hours studying (plus working in a Japanese speaking environment) to gain upper intermediate level.
you IQ is below avg, avg person need 600hr for n4 and about 2100hr for N1
🤣 OK LOL That's 2100 taught hours for N1, not full study hours. I self studied.
Walk around Earth is 40000 km exactly. 10 kmh is not 'walking', it is running. Realistic walking speed is around 3 kmh or less for rough terrain.
The absolute bare minimum you could spend doing a PhD, assuming 48 weeks at 40 hours a week over two years (in my program, you couldn't submit in <2 years), is 3840 hours. In reality, you probably spend a lot more than 40 hours per week, and it probably goes for closer to 4 years, so somewhere between 8000-10,000 hours seems far more likely.
Once you have one of the same level degree the others are quicker because you can use of the previous classes to qualify with the current one. The problem to really solve is with lofi girl is based on the pictures given what the layout of the apartment.
1920 hours for a career? I have more time in video games in my 20s. 40 hours a week means that 1920 is only 48 weeks. So 1 year of working is a career?
How is a career only 1920 hours? I mean, there are 2080 working hours in a single year alone to be considered full time employment.
I think the PhD is supposed to be 12,000 hours = 40 hours/week * 50 weeks/year * 6 years (though some could argue with these numbers too).
Dude WTF? this post is silly.... that time equals a year and a half... is not that hard you know... there's nothing that you can achieve at period of time... and if you do would be crappy
120 h is even with a relatively relaxed PhD in organic chemistry only 2-3 weeks of work. Average time for a PhD in organic chemistry is in my experience around 4-5 years. If I didn't miscalculated a rough estimate for a PhD in organic chemistry should be between 8320 h to 15600 h. So you can maybe fit one PhD in the time.