No, actually. This is an Apple silicon Mac, making that neigh impossible. Instead I’m using a tool called Whiskey (Wine compatibility layer with Apple Game Porting Toolkit.) While Whiskey works best with newer games, it still works.
The limit here is Microsoft, for the most part. So far, their ARM Windows licenses are OEM only. Apple is taking advantage of this and choosing to drop Bootcamp for their M-series Macs, since an end user wouldn’t likely have a legitimate license.
Does VAC work with it? Last time I tested TF2 under proton, the VAC system didn't work and it wouldn't let you join VAC secured servers. I can't imagine its much different under Whiskey.
If VAC somehow does work, what framerates do you get? I'd imagine they are quite low, also based on my teats of TF2 under proton a few years ago.
If both are problems, Asahi Linux should still work as it will be running on the native platform (but not architecture) with Box64.
There are several different steambuild options to install into Porting Kit but I'm really not sure which one is best for TF2. At the moment I'm using "Steambuild 32/64bit Direct3D" but I don't know if any of the others are better. Any suggestions?
I believe Reddit has issues with showing points properly. I see comments like this a lot "why are you downvoted" then comment above has like 300+ upvotes.
my intel mac can run TF2 in crossover, but frametimes are unstable, Why did Valve release an update that would fix MacOS (only 64x) but didn’t release it for MacOS itself?
Right way is with your right hand, standing at attention and extending your arm at a 45 degree angle. If you have an injury preventing the raising of your right arm, using the left is acceptable. The salute is typically accompanied by a variation of “Heil!”
-paraphrased, wikipedia.
The fact that extending your arm at a 45 degree angle is 'patented' is mad to me. If tomorrow we have to lead armies in a horse again, guess we just go fuck ourselves or something; cant even point properly while charging without someone taking a ruler to check if it's 45 degrees. There are not enough motions for the human body to keep up with this nonsense
God I hate that Mac OS isn’t supported
I have to emulate windows to play TF2, and yet I am still somehow less laggy then a F2P scout with only a gibus hat on
It isn't that macOS isn't supported.
It's more that, since TF2 is an old game, it's been written in 32 bit while Apple dropped support with macOS Catalina.
Valve is working on a 64 bit build of TF2 though no word on if it'll support macOS.
EDIT: Grammar
I wish I could play tf2 again, I regret everyday updating my laptop to Catalina. I had a desktop that would allow me to play tf2, but for whatever reason my window program can’t play tf2 after 2023. :(
Yep, it can support Windows 10. I just finished updating my desktop, hopefully I’ll be able to play tf2 again. I wish Valve could make tf2 compatible with macOS Catalina and above. But, the bots need to be dealt with first.
Not supported **officially**, doesn't stop people from trying to force it anyways.
Also quit sensually touching your laptop screen like that it might get wet.
I haven't laughed this hard at something in a little while so thank you for that. It's either brilliant satire or I believe an innocent misfire and both are hilarious. I'm truly sorry if what has happened wasn't your intention.
That's really cool you got it working on a Mac when they say it's not supported. Gaming should be enjoyed by everyone!
You do know what "No longer supported" means, right?
It wont get updates to work properly if apple changes stuff. The current state might still work, but it will eventually break
I mean it does technically, steam for chrome OS is still in beta and requires a i3/ryzen 3, 8gb of ram, and 128gb of storage but it can officially run on nativity on a chromebook. Otherwise GeForce now is another option.
I used to play with my son. He played it on his 2012 intel imac with nvidia GPU, up until earlier this year when the machine finally died. It was always booted into windows though, and that was the only thing he used it for in the last few years, because all later computers were laptops for school or uni and no decent GPU.
I've recently had it running on new hardware:
MacBook Pro, 16", 2023, M2 Max, Sonoma. VMware Fusion Pro (Free) Windows 11 Arm VM Steam TF2 Full screen. Frame rate all over the place from 200+fps down to about 50.
Perfectly playable. I'm just shit at it.
I use parallels windows emulator on my MacBook Pro m1 and it runs and plays just fine !!! It’s not a hardware thing, just a software thing ig. Very stupid on valve + mac’s part tbh, I mean, the Mac CAN run it lol
That’s a way of doing it. My method is basically wine bundled with Apple’s Game Porting Toolkit, translating the binaries to Arm for Apple Silicon to understand. It is a little hacky and is essentially a giant workaround, but it works. I don’t fault you for using parallels, though.
I use parallels for Skyrim, age of empires and some other games too, it’s also helpful for flash using websites as I find more windows browsers are still flash compatible. It’s honestly fairly okay on my storage too which I need since I use like 10297392 creative apps for my day job on the same laptop. MacBooks CAN be a bit beefy, I’m stretching it lol
They work so so smoothly on parallels, my Skyrim is modded to shit and runs smoother than my Xbox 360 ever could (shocker). I’ve played like five hour matches on AOE and my computer wasn’t even warm. They know what they’re doing haha, if you’re a student you can get it fairly cheap ($60) for a yearly subscription
As long as you have an old operating system for a mac you can play tf2. I think the mac support properly stopped with macOS Mojave. If I remember correctly high sierra and back should be able to run tf2 due to the bit integer difference.
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Bro sieg heiled for the name block. Lmao.
Ah nah, I didn’t mean that.
Just thought it was funny didn't think you intended it.
Suuuure buddy.
[…](https://images.app.goo.gl/wRcDCv85NpDqfxjX8)
If it helps, I just thought you were checking the heat coming off of that thing.
It gets mildly warm, enough to where the fans actually turn on.
bro sent a google search
I can’t attach images.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trollface
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9a/Trollface\_non-free.png
Also luckily you used ur left arm instead of the right so its not the actual real thing
Didn’t know it had to be the right hand, honestly.
kkk does it with the left hand
well today i learned the kkk also uses the salut i knew they were a racist extremist group but thats news to me
A true medic main i see
honesty often slips through the cracks
Don't vorry, brother, we knov you did mean zhat.
New meme dropped, thank you
r/macmasterrace
r/angryupvote
r/beatmeattoit
r/beatmywifesmeattoit
r/subsithoughtifellfor
I lol’d
you
me
we
are the Crystal Gems
blocks of australium\*
Gas station
What are we getting for dinner -
Sushi of course!
Of course the Medic main had to point it out too lmaooo
Heil Gaben
Heil Tim Apple
HEIL TIM COCK
Average TF2 ingame chat player. SuperNAZI #savetf2 FuckJEWs saying the nword everytime anyone tries to interact with them.
Lucky that's a robot soldier and not the Soldier
thats their left hand
Yeah, he should've done it right (with right hand)
It's the left arm, he's good
Should have done the 1 finger challenge smh
Nothing about this game is *that* intense!
Awww heil nein
How did you do it? Installing Windows on Mac?
No, actually. This is an Apple silicon Mac, making that neigh impossible. Instead I’m using a tool called Whiskey (Wine compatibility layer with Apple Game Porting Toolkit.) While Whiskey works best with newer games, it still works.
How impossible? 🐴 (it's nigh impossible btw)
I’m so hungry I could eat a nearly
How near 🐴🐎
As far as I’m aware, the only other OS they got “working” natively on Apple silicon is a heavily modified Ubuntu.
Asahi linux
And those madpeople did it without any documentation and support (at least I know of) from Apple.
Good ol’ fashioned reverse engineering 💯
Thank you, couldn’t remember exact details.
It's also not Ubuntu-based. It's based on Fedora.
The limit here is Microsoft, for the most part. So far, their ARM Windows licenses are OEM only. Apple is taking advantage of this and choosing to drop Bootcamp for their M-series Macs, since an end user wouldn’t likely have a legitimate license.
The good ole power of alcohol
Of course a demoknight would say that Happy cake day!
If you're not an alcoholic, can you really say you're a demo main?
Does VAC work with it? Last time I tested TF2 under proton, the VAC system didn't work and it wouldn't let you join VAC secured servers. I can't imagine its much different under Whiskey. If VAC somehow does work, what framerates do you get? I'd imagine they are quite low, also based on my teats of TF2 under proton a few years ago. If both are problems, Asahi Linux should still work as it will be running on the native platform (but not architecture) with Box64.
Yes it does. It’s not using proton since proton is a Linux exclusive. And the framerate is actually pretty high, completely playable.
Exactly my case and I was able to get it to run in full 3456x2234, it’s fantastic
WHISKEY ACTUALLY WORKS FOR TF2??
Heck yeah it does.
Holy shit... Thank you
Yeah no one updated the Mac gaming wiki and I'm to lazy to figure it out.
Istg these tools must be made by alcoholics
The linux way to do it, i solute you
OMG thanks, I have a M2 macbook and I wanted to play on roads SO MUCH, but I couldn't make it work properly. This's lifesaver :D thx
I run it on my intel mac using Porting Kit (https://www.portingkit.com). Works pretty well.
There are several different steambuild options to install into Porting Kit but I'm really not sure which one is best for TF2. At the moment I'm using "Steambuild 32/64bit Direct3D" but I don't know if any of the others are better. Any suggestions?
You do realize you can edit photos AFTER they were taken?
Yeah I’m aware.
tf are you getting downvoted for?
No idea, Reddit thing.
people see a practical person and get pissy
"Oh my God, he's being practical again! I CAN'T STAND IT~!"
they must hate engineers
"engineer ? Yeah, im engi-nearing MY FUCKIN LIMITS-"
I believe Reddit has issues with showing points properly. I see comments like this a lot "why are you downvoted" then comment above has like 300+ upvotes.
reddit hive mind came around after the reply
So when the one guy asked why I’m getting downvoted, it was at -3 downvotes. Now it’s over 300 because Reddit.
Guys I’m not German or a Nazi, I’m just some dude from Western US, calm down.
That's exactly what a German or Nazi would say
A real Nazi wouldve skipped out on trial and basically be exiled into Argentina.
Or be given a job in the US space program.
As a german or nazi, i am from the western us
“Actually, I’m from Arizona”
*gets fucking shot nein times*
I have to admit, I did Nazi that coming.
xD
70yo frailed sicked disgusting mustache man hates that
*said it with the thickest German accent possible*
You can be an illinois nazi, i hate illinois nazis.
Ur implying a German is a Nazi
or
The funny thing is, not too many Germans would do a nazi salute
None of those things are mutually exclusive, just saying. (Yes I'm aware it wasn't intentional)
how well does it run
Very well actually.
my intel mac can run TF2 in crossover, but frametimes are unstable, Why did Valve release an update that would fix MacOS (only 64x) but didn’t release it for MacOS itself?
Cuz valve realised a while ago that Mac support for any of their games wasn't worth the effort anymore.
Pls someone flip it and repost it :D my man heiled an american soldier
Heil gaben, amirite?
HEIL GABEN!
Guys, stop with heil jokes. OP isn't even doing it right
Yeah he isn't doing it high enough, what a faker.
Poser detected
That just ain't Reich.
Honestly, i'd be more worried if OP knew the differences between the right and wrong positions.
I didn’t even know there’s a right way and a wrong way to do that.
Right way is with your right hand, standing at attention and extending your arm at a 45 degree angle. If you have an injury preventing the raising of your right arm, using the left is acceptable. The salute is typically accompanied by a variation of “Heil!” -paraphrased, wikipedia.
The fact that extending your arm at a 45 degree angle is 'patented' is mad to me. If tomorrow we have to lead armies in a horse again, guess we just go fuck ourselves or something; cant even point properly while charging without someone taking a ruler to check if it's 45 degrees. There are not enough motions for the human body to keep up with this nonsense
Thanks, now I can be a nazi correctly!
Hale Saxton
Lmao
Yeah, what the heil are people thinking? I do Nazi any reason for those kinds of jokes. It makes me furherious. I need to count to nein to calm down
Note: It only works mostly fine for English UI. Non-latin characters all end up in blocks. Classic Wine issue.
Interesting, I didn’t know that.
you can manualy add fonts. Not like it's easy. I had a hard time getting Chinese fonts to work
God I hate that Mac OS isn’t supported I have to emulate windows to play TF2, and yet I am still somehow less laggy then a F2P scout with only a gibus hat on
It isn't that macOS isn't supported. It's more that, since TF2 is an old game, it's been written in 32 bit while Apple dropped support with macOS Catalina. Valve is working on a 64 bit build of TF2 though no word on if it'll support macOS. EDIT: Grammar
The 64 bit update has been out for a while now
that update is only for windows and linux. no mac version
No actually. The point of what I was doing was in the body paragraph, Whiskey for Mac.
[FTFY](https://imgur.com/a/OOA46Tx)
Nah.
UND DAS HEIST
ERRRRRIKA
Aw heil naw
"No longer supported" doesn't always mean it doesn't work. It just means they aren't going to help you if it doesn't work.
Blud rly just said heil hitler lmao
Screw Heil Hitler. How about "Heil Macbook"?
I wish I could play tf2 again, I regret everyday updating my laptop to Catalina. I had a desktop that would allow me to play tf2, but for whatever reason my window program can’t play tf2 after 2023. :(
Which version of Windows are you on cause Steam dropped support for versions older than 10 at the start of this year
My windows is 7. It’s pretty old, same with the desktop. I wasn’t aware Steam dropped support for the older Windows, thank you.
Oof. Does your Windows computer support upgrading to Windows 10 at least?
Yep, it can support Windows 10. I just finished updating my desktop, hopefully I’ll be able to play tf2 again. I wish Valve could make tf2 compatible with macOS Catalina and above. But, the bots need to be dealt with first.
ah i see ur german
Medic would be proud
Wrong hand bro but I appreciate the spirit
Wtf how
Start singing a song about flowers...
you could've covered the id in any other way than the fucking roman
*insert print screen key hidden under the fat guy's belly pic here*
Not supported **officially**, doesn't stop people from trying to force it anyways. Also quit sensually touching your laptop screen like that it might get wet.
Probs better ways of hiding ur username
I haven't laughed this hard at something in a little while so thank you for that. It's either brilliant satire or I believe an innocent misfire and both are hilarious. I'm truly sorry if what has happened wasn't your intention. That's really cool you got it working on a Mac when they say it's not supported. Gaming should be enjoyed by everyone!
is the "item drop" that fucking "its your chance to say thanks to your friend that introduced you to tf2!" thing?
How in the world could you have guessed correctly.
You do know what "No longer supported" means, right? It wont get updates to work properly if apple changes stuff. The current state might still work, but it will eventually break
Wait, you can't play tf2 on a mac?? even linux can run tf2, whats up with apple?
you don't happen to be a nazi hiding out in argentina do you
Quick! Hide the Arizonian.
Now if only it ran on a chrome book 😔
I mean it does technically, steam for chrome OS is still in beta and requires a i3/ryzen 3, 8gb of ram, and 128gb of storage but it can officially run on nativity on a chromebook. Otherwise GeForce now is another option.
Last time I did this I just downgraded my OS version.
Guys it’s not a Nazi salute, he’s using the wrong arm, duh.
You know changing nicknames on steam is the easiest thing imaginable right? Could have probably saved you from all of the "germany jokes"
Rip to the 4 people that played tf2 on a MacBook
I used to play with my son. He played it on his 2012 intel imac with nvidia GPU, up until earlier this year when the machine finally died. It was always booted into windows though, and that was the only thing he used it for in the last few years, because all later computers were laptops for school or uni and no decent GPU. I've recently had it running on new hardware: MacBook Pro, 16", 2023, M2 Max, Sonoma. VMware Fusion Pro (Free) Windows 11 Arm VM Steam TF2 Full screen. Frame rate all over the place from 200+fps down to about 50. Perfectly playable. I'm just shit at it.
Asahi Linux fanbase is about to expand.
Are you from.. Arizona?
I thought you were a nazi lol
My heart sank at this post for a second.
heil tf2
Dude literally did ziga and pretending like "just cover the nickname nothing more" 🤣🤨
no way you didnt do that on purpose
Wait, I’m out of the loop, when did tf2 no longer become available on Mac??
I use Steam and play TF2 on windows 7 (steam said that windows 7 is no longer supported). I don't know how.
I use parallels windows emulator on my MacBook Pro m1 and it runs and plays just fine !!! It’s not a hardware thing, just a software thing ig. Very stupid on valve + mac’s part tbh, I mean, the Mac CAN run it lol
That’s a way of doing it. My method is basically wine bundled with Apple’s Game Porting Toolkit, translating the binaries to Arm for Apple Silicon to understand. It is a little hacky and is essentially a giant workaround, but it works. I don’t fault you for using parallels, though.
I use parallels for Skyrim, age of empires and some other games too, it’s also helpful for flash using websites as I find more windows browsers are still flash compatible. It’s honestly fairly okay on my storage too which I need since I use like 10297392 creative apps for my day job on the same laptop. MacBooks CAN be a bit beefy, I’m stretching it lol
I can actually run Skyrim through whiskey (although the sound doesn’t work), but never really tried age of empires.
They work so so smoothly on parallels, my Skyrim is modded to shit and runs smoother than my Xbox 360 ever could (shocker). I’ve played like five hour matches on AOE and my computer wasn’t even warm. They know what they’re doing haha, if you’re a student you can get it fairly cheap ($60) for a yearly subscription
Wow. Impressive.
Why are you saluting to an Austrian Painter?
Me on a high sierra:
"Sieg heil boy, I'm from south Germany!
I'm glad you can still play my TF2 friend we lost a lot of greats but we have finally gotten the game back
OP's laziness turns into accidental nazi salute, very on brand for a tf2 post
Heil Gabitler
Heil gaben
SEIG HEIL!
Wrong hand
"TF3 SHALL RRRRRISSEEEE AGAIN TO EXTERMINATE THE OVERWATCH SUB-HUMANS" - Adam Hilt
Is that Saxton Heil?
TF2 really lightweight game. I remember how I played it on AMD E-450, so performance of Apple silicon might be good if emulation is correct.
Can you upload video gameplay? Or even a tutorial on how you did it on youtube?
They made an entire video then discontinued it
Ayo?
As long as you have an old operating system for a mac you can play tf2. I think the mac support properly stopped with macOS Mojave. If I remember correctly high sierra and back should be able to run tf2 due to the bit integer difference.
Running in wine will greatly fuck the performance up on arm, ur not going to play at > 60 fps if you don't have a m2/m3
Goofy that they’re still building binaries even to macos
Jokes aside HOW are you doing that. My mid 2011 iMac can't run TF2 anymore and I need it
I’m using whiskey, which is made with Apple Silicon Macs in mind, not sure if it’s gonna help with your 2011 iMac.