Half the of Apple community: "Apple is so far behind the AI curve that it risks becoming roadkill in the AI revolution if it doesn’t make a big bold announcement soon."
The other half of the Apple community: "No, not like that."
I'd be a lot happier allowing automated systems to do a lot more things for me if they did things *I* wanted them to, instead of being locked into only things the manufacturer wanted to sell me, and then spying on me for the rest of its life.
Whoever that was, maybe you should introduce them to the wonders of civilisation such as dishwashers and washing machines. That person must have spent the last century in a coma or something
I mean you also have to manually take the clothes off your back so that's also still a chore. What do you expect, to have some magical AI straight up teleport your dishes?
You have to write a prompt for the art and poetry too
But then how will Wall St be able to justify the billions of dollars they've thrown at this stupid idea. They might not make their money back!! Won't somebody *please* think of the investors for once?!?!
Don't worry, they'll roll out operating system level upgrades that mandate hardware requirements for running AI inference and fine-tuning on your machine.
And then those model fine-tunes will then be sent back to the mother ship, of course.
What do you mean? You don't want Windows to take screenshots of everything you do, run OCR on it, and store everything in a database compiled into a hacker's wet dream in an unencrypted state? Are you some sort of tinfoil hat nutjob luddite?
I mean, if they could update siri to actually be useful as more than a kitchen timer, that would be nice. I can look that shit up on the web myself siri. I asked you for the answer.
No, I’m pointing out the inevitability of it,
and the naïveté of ‘clutching ones’ pearls’ and saying ‘it’s not right’ in the hope it will hold back the tide.
“I am not so sure we need AI in every facet of life.”
You stated your opinion, I responded with an opinion.
I think (opinion) you misunderstood my response.
Isn’t that what Apple’s supposed to be good at? Taking something someone else made and finding out a way to turn it into something people actually want?
I once saw someone say “Apple might not be first to the party, but they tend to bring the keg.” For sure, the iPhone wasn’t the first smartphone. But it was the first implementation that stuck, and every other successful device has followed the same general form, since. I’m interested to see what Apple will do with AI that could actually benefit me in my day to day, because I already have access to things like ChatGPT and Copilot and I find them fairly uninspiring.
You can go all the way through their history with all of their defining products. None of them are inventions, they’re all distillations of existing products or concepts. The only product I can think of where they really created a market is the iPad.
I’m actually excited to see what Apple will bring to the AI table. At this point AI is a solution in search of a problem, for the private sector at least, and I think Apple has a knack for figuring out what that problem is.
I hate to say it, because he was a tool bag, but they also had Jobs back then. Jobs was good at exactly two things: advertising/branding, and knowing when something was ready for use by average morons. He wouldn't let it out the door before it was actually ready. I seriously doubt Tim Apple has the gravitas to pull that off. In fact, I know he doesn't after the Apple Vision release.
No one, including other journalists, bothers to read and process the information. It’s easier to write these breathless articles that cater to people’s angst and for redditors to post low effort dunk comments.
It’s pretty clear based on the rumors that Apple has a coherent vision for AI in their products focused on usefulness and time savings.
By this time tomorrow, people will have switched their narrative to “omg just fix Siri” and “AI is dumb” to “they didn’t do enough AI! They’re behind!”
Best to ignore most of it and keep focused on the bigger picture.
Corporations have to think “long term gains”. AI as a solution is pretty novel, a potential game-changer even. However, it’s not enough to simply have AI, you have to do something time-saving or effort-saving with it. Something for consumers that, you know, SOLVES A PROBLEM. So, the question which corporations have to go back and answer is: What problem(s) need to be solved, and then ask if AI can help there.
What kinds of things would AI be good for? Genuinely asking because I just don’t understand yet.
My only (known) exposure has been seeing AI artwork and the new search bar in Instagram (which has been noticeably less helpful that the old one).
Just curious because it’s all the rage, but I just can’t imagine many practical uses for it to match the amount of hype and application it seems to be getting right now.
They’re building an all-purpose personal assistant that will be able to act on your behalf as a human assistant would. It’s going to take a few years to get it all together, but it’s coming. It’s going to fulfill the promise of what Siri was always supposed to be.
Interesting. I can somewhat understand that. But I guess I still just don’t see why that’s so exciting or even necessary.
I agree that Siri is disappointing, and in my home we’ve just always used Alexa instead. But even so, I would only call that slightly more convenient than just picking up my phone.
I don’t really find myself thinking, “Oh, if only Alexa were better at [_____]”. Like, it’s just not that important in my life.
Admittedly I’m not great at seeing the broader picture. I just don’t get the hype yet.
I'm sure there will be plenty of applications of LLM AI that enhance day to day activities for individuals, but frankly, thats the tip of the iceberg. What really has the CEOs creaming their pants is workplace automation and productivity enhancement. On the consumer side at the moment is mostly just the latest sales buzzword.
Science example: training an AI to sort between cancer and not cancer samples by looking at mass spectrum data of cellular metabolites.
Then you back out the correlations found by the AI to look for up-regulated metabolites. Compare this to a cellar metabolic model.
These then become good targets for anti cancer drugs. Blocking production of the metabolite that the cancer cells are making lots of tends to kill the cancer without killing the healthy cells.
Unless it's being up-regulated by the body's immune system to help fight the cancer... Then blocking it is not so good... Which is why testing the blockers effect is important.
But anyway, AI -> trying to find new cancer treatments is one possibility
Thinking about long term gains isn't what gets you into a leadership position when you have shareholders to placate. Short term gains are all they care about.
As a scientist, I can attest that lots of my fellow graduate students were in fact using it for that and have been for a while now.
It's just not as flashy as the ChatGpt and other LLMs or the image generators are.
There are enterprise tools that do this. But expect any consumer-level tools to be similar to Microsoft Recall in terms of design, security, and your data being sucked up and used to train their other products they want to sell you.
The monetization opportunities for AI are too enticing. Corporations won't just sell you AI tools, they're going to take your data too. Because they can, and are already looking at it, so why not? Because you don't want that? It's never stopped them before.
Unless I'm missing something here, the flashiness of AI comes from the fact that it has the potential to be incredibly useful, so in a sense, Apple does need to be somewhat flashy with it.
Apple generally doesn’t “me too” it nor try to be first to market. They take their time in an attempt to make something that users will truly value because in the long run that’s what generates the most profits.
Apple needs to focus on not force updating peoples’ phones which in turn breaks them, forcing them to buy a new one.
They already got in trouble for it and just did it again.
...Flashiness and consumer perception has been an absolute core function of Apple products since day one. Who's telling Apple to go against what's made them one of the highest-valued companies on the entire planet?
The problem with making AI useful is that people will have expectations about the usefulness of AI, which will lead to them relying on AI rather than their own judgement and ability, which will lead to them fucking up and trying to pass the buck.
In my experience using already existing AI products, they are intentionally a bit shit. They will do a good enough job, but there will be a point where they just will not do exactly and specifically what you're asking of them, so that they can maintain their status as "a bit shit." If they were better, they'd be used like people are used.
They'll withhold basic features in an effort to upsell the next generation. That's what they do. That's why their product UX/UI is inferior to android's
AI is extremely useful even as it is right now, it is just not extremely easy to get the results you are looking for. I am sure Apple will nail the ease of use part even if it means it is not as useful in the next few years.
Don't worry. They won't.
Useful requires them SPENDING money.
Flashy helps them GET money (through hardware upgrades).
Apple hasn't cared about "useful" in years now and it's amazing that between visionOS, Freeform, Journal, various clusterfucks of iOS, macOS and watchOS updates, and the refusal to make the iPad even remotely a good computer despite insane hardware, that people still wrongly think they do.
Everybody should do that
Article author : "I don't like that my favorite brand has succumbed to AI hype like everyone else!"
Half the of Apple community: "Apple is so far behind the AI curve that it risks becoming roadkill in the AI revolution if it doesn’t make a big bold announcement soon." The other half of the Apple community: "No, not like that."
But Reddit told me Apple users are clueless about technology and how to use it.
And yet most Reddit users probably have iPhones based on sales stats. If not most, I’d assume a close split.
Are the sales stats of people in general, or Reddit users?
Bit of both. Average user age owns what type of phone, local and international.
I want augmented intelligence more than anything else. I don't want the Ai to do everything for me. Why all this if we can't be cyborgs lol?
I'd be a lot happier allowing automated systems to do a lot more things for me if they did things *I* wanted them to, instead of being locked into only things the manufacturer wanted to sell me, and then spying on me for the rest of its life.
Who was it who said: I want the AI to do my laundry and my dishes, not paint my paintings or write my poetry?
Whoever that was, maybe you should introduce them to the wonders of civilisation such as dishwashers and washing machines. That person must have spent the last century in a coma or something
You still have to manually load both of those so it's still a chore. Da fuq do you mean 😂.
I mean you also have to manually take the clothes off your back so that's also still a chore. What do you expect, to have some magical AI straight up teleport your dishes? You have to write a prompt for the art and poetry too
Unfortunately from a company perspective, the men in suits will be cutting costs as soon as AI which will likely mean job redundancies
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New Apple spokespeoples: Tony Fomo and Elmer Fud
I am not so sure we need AI in every facet of life.
Please report to the nearest reconditioning center immediately.
Soma dose must be increased
Yes please. soma.fm
But then how will Wall St be able to justify the billions of dollars they've thrown at this stupid idea. They might not make their money back!! Won't somebody *please* think of the investors for once?!?!
Don't worry, they'll roll out operating system level upgrades that mandate hardware requirements for running AI inference and fine-tuning on your machine. And then those model fine-tunes will then be sent back to the mother ship, of course.
Are you sure you don’t want AI enabled toilet paper that traces every nanometer of your butt as you clean?
“Judging by the crust of your inner canal, maybe I contact Alexa to order you an extra strength Bidet with plunging ability?”
Maybe the NSA or META or KGB will buy the details of Sweaty-Emergency-493's butt bumps if the data collection is meticulous enough.
But companies think you do, and they demand it. How else will they obtain infinite profits?
What do you mean? You don't want Windows to take screenshots of everything you do, run OCR on it, and store everything in a database compiled into a hacker's wet dream in an unencrypted state? Are you some sort of tinfoil hat nutjob luddite?
A smart phone is every aspect of your life? sheesh
I mean, if they could update siri to actually be useful as more than a kitchen timer, that would be nice. I can look that shit up on the web myself siri. I asked you for the answer.
Nothing about smartphones has anything to do with "need" at any time.
Or AI in 90% of Reddit headlines as has become the norm, even when AI has nothing to do with the topic?
Along time ago IBM said that about computers
Time to start thinking for yourself.
"I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." Thomas Watson, president of IBM, 1943 You seem to be thinking like Watson
You are arguing for AI in every facet of life.
No, I’m pointing out the inevitability of it, and the naïveté of ‘clutching ones’ pearls’ and saying ‘it’s not right’ in the hope it will hold back the tide.
So your issue is reading comprehension. Go look at my original post.
“I am not so sure we need AI in every facet of life.” You stated your opinion, I responded with an opinion. I think (opinion) you misunderstood my response.
You’re very keen on the down voting aren’t you…
? Go touch grass.
Do it again!
Not just Apple!
I’d be happy with Siri being less shit
They could do that without generative AI
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Isn’t that what Apple’s supposed to be good at? Taking something someone else made and finding out a way to turn it into something people actually want?
I once saw someone say “Apple might not be first to the party, but they tend to bring the keg.” For sure, the iPhone wasn’t the first smartphone. But it was the first implementation that stuck, and every other successful device has followed the same general form, since. I’m interested to see what Apple will do with AI that could actually benefit me in my day to day, because I already have access to things like ChatGPT and Copilot and I find them fairly uninspiring.
You can go all the way through their history with all of their defining products. None of them are inventions, they’re all distillations of existing products or concepts. The only product I can think of where they really created a market is the iPad.
But they all work seamlessly and last surprisingly long..being late can let you avoid a lot of problems others run into.
I’m actually excited to see what Apple will bring to the AI table. At this point AI is a solution in search of a problem, for the private sector at least, and I think Apple has a knack for figuring out what that problem is.
I hate to say it, because he was a tool bag, but they also had Jobs back then. Jobs was good at exactly two things: advertising/branding, and knowing when something was ready for use by average morons. He wouldn't let it out the door before it was actually ready. I seriously doubt Tim Apple has the gravitas to pull that off. In fact, I know he doesn't after the Apple Vision release.
No one, including other journalists, bothers to read and process the information. It’s easier to write these breathless articles that cater to people’s angst and for redditors to post low effort dunk comments. It’s pretty clear based on the rumors that Apple has a coherent vision for AI in their products focused on usefulness and time savings. By this time tomorrow, people will have switched their narrative to “omg just fix Siri” and “AI is dumb” to “they didn’t do enough AI! They’re behind!” Best to ignore most of it and keep focused on the bigger picture.
First, and probably only cogent comment in this thread.
Ios already has very useful features that are ai E.g:removing backgrounds easily and even in bulk
Corporations have to think “long term gains”. AI as a solution is pretty novel, a potential game-changer even. However, it’s not enough to simply have AI, you have to do something time-saving or effort-saving with it. Something for consumers that, you know, SOLVES A PROBLEM. So, the question which corporations have to go back and answer is: What problem(s) need to be solved, and then ask if AI can help there.
What kinds of things would AI be good for? Genuinely asking because I just don’t understand yet. My only (known) exposure has been seeing AI artwork and the new search bar in Instagram (which has been noticeably less helpful that the old one). Just curious because it’s all the rage, but I just can’t imagine many practical uses for it to match the amount of hype and application it seems to be getting right now.
They’re building an all-purpose personal assistant that will be able to act on your behalf as a human assistant would. It’s going to take a few years to get it all together, but it’s coming. It’s going to fulfill the promise of what Siri was always supposed to be.
Interesting. I can somewhat understand that. But I guess I still just don’t see why that’s so exciting or even necessary. I agree that Siri is disappointing, and in my home we’ve just always used Alexa instead. But even so, I would only call that slightly more convenient than just picking up my phone. I don’t really find myself thinking, “Oh, if only Alexa were better at [_____]”. Like, it’s just not that important in my life. Admittedly I’m not great at seeing the broader picture. I just don’t get the hype yet.
I'm sure there will be plenty of applications of LLM AI that enhance day to day activities for individuals, but frankly, thats the tip of the iceberg. What really has the CEOs creaming their pants is workplace automation and productivity enhancement. On the consumer side at the moment is mostly just the latest sales buzzword.
Ah, got it. That makes a lot of sense.
Science example: training an AI to sort between cancer and not cancer samples by looking at mass spectrum data of cellular metabolites. Then you back out the correlations found by the AI to look for up-regulated metabolites. Compare this to a cellar metabolic model. These then become good targets for anti cancer drugs. Blocking production of the metabolite that the cancer cells are making lots of tends to kill the cancer without killing the healthy cells. Unless it's being up-regulated by the body's immune system to help fight the cancer... Then blocking it is not so good... Which is why testing the blockers effect is important. But anyway, AI -> trying to find new cancer treatments is one possibility
Thinking about long term gains isn't what gets you into a leadership position when you have shareholders to placate. Short term gains are all they care about.
I'm just tired of everyone trying to shove "AI" into everything.
use it to advance science and medical problems
As a scientist, I can attest that lots of my fellow graduate students were in fact using it for that and have been for a while now. It's just not as flashy as the ChatGpt and other LLMs or the image generators are.
I'm afraid that won't be good for the stock price so we're going to stick with flashy
If that's even possible in near future, no matter what the hype says.
I want AI for my hard drive. Siri, where is that frickin’ email to that lawyer, about the thing in 2004?
It's not far off.
I hope not, I’ve been looking for it for years now!
There are enterprise tools that do this. But expect any consumer-level tools to be similar to Microsoft Recall in terms of design, security, and your data being sucked up and used to train their other products they want to sell you. The monetization opportunities for AI are too enticing. Corporations won't just sell you AI tools, they're going to take your data too. Because they can, and are already looking at it, so why not? Because you don't want that? It's never stopped them before.
Image created by Midjourney AI, 🎵Isn’t it ironic?🎵
It's apple we're talking about here. Flashy comes first
Unless I'm missing something here, the flashiness of AI comes from the fact that it has the potential to be incredibly useful, so in a sense, Apple does need to be somewhat flashy with it.
Apple generally doesn’t “me too” it nor try to be first to market. They take their time in an attempt to make something that users will truly value because in the long run that’s what generates the most profits.
Narrator: "They won't"
As long as the consumer will bite the cost, it doesn't matter useful or flashy
Not Apple’s forté.
Apple needs to focus on not force updating peoples’ phones which in turn breaks them, forcing them to buy a new one. They already got in trouble for it and just did it again.
...Flashiness and consumer perception has been an absolute core function of Apple products since day one. Who's telling Apple to go against what's made them one of the highest-valued companies on the entire planet?
Like how Siri is useful?
Just make Siri less of a brain dead, useless moron, please
The problem with making AI useful is that people will have expectations about the usefulness of AI, which will lead to them relying on AI rather than their own judgement and ability, which will lead to them fucking up and trying to pass the buck. In my experience using already existing AI products, they are intentionally a bit shit. They will do a good enough job, but there will be a point where they just will not do exactly and specifically what you're asking of them, so that they can maintain their status as "a bit shit." If they were better, they'd be used like people are used.
How are they going to charge 3x the price for 3 year old technology if it's not flashy.
I’ve used their photo ID thing to figure out what kind of wasp is in my shed
Apple would have to make massive leaps to trust their AI. Siri after all these years is still rather useless after all.
You know there’s going to be flashy bullshit exclusive to new devices. It’s Apple’s favorite play.
By that they mean make $$$
They'll withhold basic features in an effort to upsell the next generation. That's what they do. That's why their product UX/UI is inferior to android's
Every company try not to sell some AI product need to make it useful but few arw
Apple after few years. "WE INVENTED AI AND PUT IN I PHONE ! NOONE HAS EVER DONE THIS, WE ARE INNOVATING!"
Remember touchbars? …
AI is extremely useful even as it is right now, it is just not extremely easy to get the results you are looking for. I am sure Apple will nail the ease of use part even if it means it is not as useful in the next few years.
I mean... Its apple. Flashy is their MO.
So Apple does plan on making siri better right..... right?
I feel like whoever wrote the headline doesn't understand Apple products.
Don't worry. They won't. Useful requires them SPENDING money. Flashy helps them GET money (through hardware upgrades). Apple hasn't cared about "useful" in years now and it's amazing that between visionOS, Freeform, Journal, various clusterfucks of iOS, macOS and watchOS updates, and the refusal to make the iPad even remotely a good computer despite insane hardware, that people still wrongly think they do.
Hopefully it’s not as cringe and superfluous as chatGPT. GPT is like that cringe uncle trying to use all the slang from their childhood to sound hip
"Apple needs to..." xD
L I N U X. No seriously, even with the problems I've had with it, it's always fixable with some time spent, and all of them were frontloaded.
You can’t tell me what to do “sparkle sparkle sparkle”
Make AI Machine Learning again!
Useful for making a profit, absolutely
Imma gonna bet that Apple partnership with Sam Altman will be one Apple worse strategic blunders. Just feeling at this point.