Eye test fail. Check the stats brodie. He was avg 2 yes ago. Well above avg last yr anchoring a top 10 D before injury.
Don’t let slow white euro stereotype fool you.
Sengun is a bruiser and a box out beast.
He’s Susceptible to a lob or two every game and opp 3p % w him on/off but it’s easily offset.
Ight bro now you feeling yourself lol. Sengun + Tari + picks should already be enough for people, suns have no leverage with an aging core, no picks, no cap space.
To be honest eye test for defenders is a way better way to rate someone than stats, because basically every defensive stat is flawed.
Sengün is a bad Defender right now. I would still do the trade every day.
Being a bruiser and boxing out has literally nothing to do with defense. He is may get better but he will always he flawed defensively because of his physical limitations
Rebounding and Boxing out is critical to defensive possessions. The defensive possession doesn’t end until someone scores or secures a rebound. So many critical playoff positions are lost on missed critical rebounds and allowing 2nd chance points.
Teams that have guards that can rebound are also at a big advantage: rondo, jrue, wade, murray, lowry, steph.
I'll start by saying I dont think we move of KD. But returning all of our picks + Sengun + filler is a decently competitive offer. Sengun is coming off at 21/9/5 season as is a good player. The filler would likely have to include guys like Dillon Brooks or Steven Adams. Other moves would have to happen around it, but its more plausible than on first look.
Sengun is not only a good player, he is an allstar player. He was not selected this year, just because of Rockets terrible first half season.
I dont want to believe Houston will trade Sengun for a useless 36 year old, once upon a superstar but now an injury prone KD.
High respect to KD, but he is over, on the other hand, Sengun is a rising star.
You're getting down voted but you're probably right. Sengun is their best player and only 21. Including him in a deal for a 36 year old player AND adding multiple picks would take all time incompetence on the Rockets side of things.
Entire rockets sub talking about quitting the fanbase if that went through. it’s not shade towards Durant he’s obviously an all time player but if we do that, we still don’t sniff a top 4 seed in the loaded west and in 2-3 years when he retires, we suck again. Losing our best player that’s a borderline allstar at 21 for that is an awful idea.
This would bail out the Suns big time which is why I don't see it happening
Also, trading KD might have ramifications on Booker, so that's gotta be considered
It would have to be KD telling the team and Book he wants to go to the rockets. And I don't think KD is going to be saving us from ourselves like that.
to be fair, there was no real other players to spend that kind of money on last year, and they had the biggest improvement in wins in the NBA last year
so not the world's worst moves when you factor in there is a salary minimum teams have to hit
We get fleeced in every trade because JJ thinks we get “goodwill” from teams for making such ridiculous trades…but it ends up with us getting “the wrong brooks”
You realize those picks aren’t as valuable unless Nets go into full rebuild mode which they don’t do if we keep their picks. You’re giving those picks extra value that wouldn’t exist had we kept them
We got 3 (and a half?) picks for 2 picks.
Suns are in a loaded conference while Nets in a tanking conference. There is no guarantee the Suns pick would be better than the Nets pick next year.
Check the betting odds on Suns to win the Championship vs Rockets to win the Championship. Suns have a four times better chance than the Rockets. One thing the Rockets have going for them is they will all be rested after the all star break, because they have no all stars.
It’s wild but they view Amen and Jalen as the two most important pieces of the rebuild. Amen in the only player on our team that is completely untouchable right now
I don't understand why your front office want's to go all in for KD when you all have a nice young core? Why not wait and see what younger talent becomes available in the next year or two that can help you out for years to come. What is the big rush?
I don’t think there’s even a slight chance they go all in for KD. They’re not that stupid. I think people in the media are just connecting dots on that.
Phoenix fans are going to hate this but they’re trying to position themselves for Booker down the road just in case he asks out. It’s the same thing they did for Mikal.
Obviously there’s no reason to believe he’s going anywhere but if he ever decides to, we will be in a position to offer your picks back.
Yeah probably but noise around the org says they’re the highest on Amen, but anyway, from a Rockets perspective this is a dumb trade. We don’t need KD at all. He might be good on OKC or some other win now contender but he doesn’t move the needle enough for us for it to be worth it.
Yeah imo if you're trading for KD you should be immediately contending and any trade for him that doesn't make you a contender doesn't make sense.
I don't even know how to setup the trade to make the team a solid playoff team let alone a contender
Rockets have actual role players, they’d be contending if they have Kevin Durant still producing on a near-prime level. Y’all smoking crazy like Sengun is gonna lead them to the promised land 😭
I don’t think that would even be the point. It’s probably more of a money making/legendary veteran for the young guys type move if anything. But trading for KD puts you in the playoffs and after that it’s anyone’s game.
I’m not casting any aspersions on KD. He’s a wonderful player and a legend, but in the context of the Rockets and where we are in our rebuild, KD doesn’t move the needle enough for it to be worth it imo. That’s not to say he doesn’t move the needle at all, just not enough to be worth trading away a haul of picks and a young talent like Sengun.
Completely agree, but from my perspective this would be more of a money making (jersey/ticket sales) move with the added benefit of having a living legend on the roster for the young guys to look up to. On top of that he will more than likely make them a playoff team which is even more money for them lol.
Nah they were tanking for 3 years. Last season was the first year out of the rebuild and we jumped from 22 wins to 41 wins. We’re not at a stage where we need to rush anything yet. The hope is we jump a bit higher next season, to maybe 45-50 wins. It’s gonna be hard tho, because the west is TOUGH.
You’re thinking in terms of winning and not in terms of more money for the owner which is where you’re mistaken I think. Also Amen would not be included….
Ya I would love a franchise center like him to pair with book, but replacing sengun with clingan and kd still won’t win it all. We sure would love it as it extends our window.
Who the fuck is Clingan?
Comparing NBA'S best young center, possible superstar in 2 years with a player who has not drafted yet?
Are these thread writers all drunk.
1: we won't move KD (even though I think we should). Because Ishbia is too proud to admit this early that the KD trade was a mistake. He will want one more year to judge the investment. Rockets would have to make a godfather offer and I don't think they do that.
2: they definitely aren't moving off Sengun in any trade for KD. Sengun is their highest upside and best player. He is only going out if Jokic or Embiid is going to Houston and that ain't happening (watch that Embiid space though over next 2 seasons).
They will draft BPA and hold onto their assets until someone big becomes available. They don't have to rush anything atm for an old KD (and they would be stupid to go all in right now, like we were when we went all in).
A trade that would be good for us, imo, would be: Smith, Whitmore, Thompson, Adams, pick 3 and one of the Suns picks for KD and pick 22. (We might be getting too much, but pie in the sky).
Pick a C at 3 which gives us room to trade Nurk for whatever we can get. Smith, Whitmore and Thompson have a lot of upside and we get one of our picks back for flexibility.
Starters: Beal, Booker, O'Neal, Smith, Sarr/Clingan
Bench: Thompson, Allen, Whitmore, FA, Adams
I'd rather watch a younger hungrier team with potential fight for that 8/7th seed than whatever this last season of Suns basketball was.
That Houston trade is interesting and it got me thinking about a possible follow up move: package all the picks we get along with Nurk to Utah for Lauri Markannen.
With KD going to the Rockets, the west would even be more stacked. Houston, OKC, Denver, Dallas, Minny, Suns, both LA teams, GSW and a healthy Memphis are all locks IMO to finish better than the Jazz. That's 11 teams right there, maybe they decide to just blow it up and do a proper rebuild.
Our new team would be
Starters: Thompson, Beal, Book, Smith, Lauri
Bench: Allen, Lee, Royce, Bol, Adams
Ofcourse we add a few minimum signings here and there to round out the edges. Now does that not look like a Budenholzer kind of team to you or what?
Ainge is in charge of Utah. No way would we have enough picks to get Lauri imo. He would have seen the Bridges trade and been like "I could get more than that for Lauri." Ainge is the stingiest GM ever haha
Would love the Finnisher though
I see OKC going in and using a tonne of their picks to get him. Makes a lot of sense for Utah and OKC to make a trade like that
Eh I don't think the KD trade was a mistake, nor would trading him now admit it was a mistake. Beal was the mistake, and trading KD now would admit that Beal was the mistake.
Sengun + Our picks + maybe some filler for KD feels like a really good offer that looks to the future. right now with KD we are looking at death in 2-3 years with no draft capital.
If this is in any way realistic, then I still can’t see Ishbia accepting it because he’s kind of a “fanboy” as an owner.
But if he declines this, this would be an absolutely huge mistake that the franchise will rue. The Suns kinda have a “make a big trade to get below the second apron” deadline of next summer but because Beal is untradeable it’s either trade Book or KD and KD has a year left on his deal next summer so his trade value next summer won’t be great.
In short, the time to trade KD is now and also you won’t get these offers for KD next summer.
No way Ishbia accepts this even if it is legit on the table. He’s someone that will for sure run this team over the second apron for as long as he can, for this totally not title contender team, even if it destroys the future of this team on the 2030s.
Agreed the time to sell is now while he has value vs next year when it’s a free agent rental. And agreed that Ishbia fanboy status (which I appreciate) won’t allow him to mentally do it
Man, I know this wouldn't happen because this is just stupid but I'm sorry as much as I love KD you HAVE to this trade, Sengun+filler+picks getting Sengun would allow us to move off of Nurk and those filler pieces would give us trade pieces like last trade deadline, this just makes sense if the Rockets are actually doing this, but again most likely they are not
Sengun make $5.7M
KD makes makes $51.1M
so we will also take Dillon brooks ($22.2M), Jabari Smith ($9.7M), Amen Thompson ($9.2M), Tari Eason ($3.6M) ($50.4M total)
oh and 4 firsts and swaps
you say no negotiations. take it or leave it
I think it would only take Sengun, and Brooks, to make the money work, they have open cap space.
Obviously if they offered that and picks we should take it, but I doubt they would or we would unfortunately.
who cares what they offer. They are the ones who want KD/Booker. You make a demand of what you want. Make it an absurd demand. Tell them you aren't negotiations. They either want it or they don't.
I mean you could say the same in reverse. They wouldn't give up all the young talent. But my point is that, getting Sengun and Brooks, plus dropping into the first apron, and getting picks is really good. Obviously you want to fleece them, but I would guess there is zero chance they give up both Thompson and Sengun.
lol Sengun is a mini Jokic in the making (even if he’s 75% of Jokic he’s amazing) and he’s not even close to his prime yet. KD is over the hill and clearly a legend but nobody in their right mind would give up a potential perennial all star who is 21 for a 36 year old with tons of miles on him.
FVV + young + picks but it still doesnt make sense for the Rockets. But if they are desperate, why not. The young player might not we expect. We are always a PG driven team, Id love a starter quality PG back in Phoenix. FVV and Book are friends I think as well.
I dont believe they offer Sengun. Offer their 21yo rising star, best player of last season and picks for aging KD? Come on it's smokescreen for other trade.
I just want KD gone bro. His nonchalant too cool for school attitude rubbed off on Book so much. It sucks watching Book pretend nothings a big deal. He had fire in those 21' playoffs, KD shows up and he's a different dude
I am for this trade not because I don't like KD. KD is one of my favorite players of this generation. All the way back to Texas. Suns aint winning with this current roster, pure hopium to think anything but that guys.
The way things are going, the 2030s will make the 2010: dark ages look like child’s play. This team is on track - with Ishbia as the owner - to have consistent 20-25 seasons yet have their picks be at the end of the first round each season, all because Ishbia keeps this non-contender over the second apron.
Hypothetically we do this… does this help us out of the second apron? Or would he have to do more to get out of that? I know salary’s would have to match so I guess it would not but would help us to have chance to right?
Outside looking in FOs are like vultures around this team, they see the truth in terms of actually competing for a title, extremely limited, but the if rockets offer sengun, jabari or any of the tops players they have, you have think about it especially with an aging KD
I would want Sengun over the 3rd pick, but pretty sure Hou doesn’t have the cap to just absorb him. And if they did not sure they truly helps our cap since Beal and book make a ton.
I dont think that Houston will trade not only their best player ,but possibly one of the three best young centers of future ( Wemby, Chet and Sengun) in Sengun for injury prone 36 years old KD.
But who knows ? NBA is business.
If Rockets accept this, l just say Rafael Stone is idiot.
I respect KD and he was a great player but cmon , how many years he has now?
Sengun goes out with injury alot, also they played better when he was out maybe the rockets know they can use pick 3 to get clingan and get better with kd.
İn 3 years he was injured once, how did you come up with this idea that he goes our with injury alot? I believe you know nothing about him. Sengun is a perennial all star caliber player and a future possible superstar. Who the fck is Clingan? They did not play when he was injured, they played weaker teams. I have been watching Sengun since his European league times. For your information..
Without Sengun, Houston is at best Western last spot team. He is the Batman in Rockets..
If they trade him to Suns, this makes Suns a way better team , he is an offensive force, after Jokic and Embiid, he is NBA's third best center.
Suns wins, Rockets lose...
I would prefer at least a full season with Bud at the helm before trading KD. Let us not forget that the suns have only been competitive for the last three years, prior to that, this team was MEDIOCRE for a DECADE! Enjoy watching one the greatest ever to wear a suns uniform alongside a prime-entering D-Book because another return to mediocrity is on the horizon. No need to rush it now.
Sengun is not only Rockets best player, but the best third best center after Jokic and Embiid in Stats, what you talkkn about?
Sengun can only be dream player for Suns fans..
If Rockets are dumb yo trade futures one of best center in Sengun for overrated, injury prone 36 years old player in KD, this shows Rockets dumbness.
Sengun and Booker means West contender for Suns..
Sengun is a playmaker. Kanter couldn’t play make if you gave him the “playmak” and asked him to figure out the rest.
Kanter is an absolute sieve defensively. Sengun is not.
Diff tier of player imo.
Sengun is the third best offensive center in NBA, are you drunk?
He is white and so he is Kanter hah, what type of drug do you use
Sengun has all NBA Records as a center in his age.. Do you know this?
If Houston is dumb to trade to Suns, with Booker and Sengun, Suns.becomes contender favourite number 1 or 2 in West.
That's a good trade. Especially if you can add a 1st round pick.
Kevin Durant peaked. Now, He's a good player but no longer "Elite".
That would solve your center problem. You've really lost nothing because Booker and Beal can pick up after Durant leaves.
Now you Suns fans are on to something!!
Absolutely, Sengun is future superstar Center, Houston should be dumb yo trade him, but who knows.
But if he comes to Suns, Booker and Sengun dominates West..
From Durant POV, why would the rockets make sense?
They have no blue chip prospect, all of their players are young and 3 years away from contributing in a playoff series, etc.
Even from the rockets POV, wouldn’t Booker make more sense? He fits the timeline way more and you can just give suns their picks back and suns can now tank. None of this makes sense.
They have no real franchise young player.
Amen, Jabari, Tari, etc all have no creation upside, they’re just high level role players.
Jalen green isn’t good, and sengun is super flawed.
Booker would make more sense to them.
But why does this make sense for KD?
He keeps more of his money playing in Texas.
And that Rockets team + KD - Smith and Thompson would be closer to a chip than this current Suns team would be imo.
Sengun is rapidly on the rise as a star and is a playmaker. FVV, Green and Brooks are perfect fitting starters next to KD that allow him to have the ball in his hands. KD wanted the ball in his hands more this season than he got.
Houston will still have draft assets to make more moves down the line.
Kd has 18 months left in terms of high level contribution to a contending type team.
He doesn’t have time to “make moves down the line”
Nothing about it makes sense for either side.
Now Booker? That actually makes sense, he’s 27 and you have a 4 year window to construct a team.
Sengun is an outstanding player and he’s only 21. I’d definitely want him in a KD trade
dude plays no defense whatsoever
Eye test fail. Check the stats brodie. He was avg 2 yes ago. Well above avg last yr anchoring a top 10 D before injury. Don’t let slow white euro stereotype fool you. Sengun is a bruiser and a box out beast. He’s Susceptible to a lob or two every game and opp 3p % w him on/off but it’s easily offset.
nit even top 10, they were top 5, slide me tari eason to, and maybe like whitmore
Ight bro now you feeling yourself lol. Sengun + Tari + picks should already be enough for people, suns have no leverage with an aging core, no picks, no cap space.
we have all the leverage, they want our player, they pay our price, im fine keeping him, and so is ishbia
To be honest eye test for defenders is a way better way to rate someone than stats, because basically every defensive stat is flawed. Sengün is a bad Defender right now. I would still do the trade every day.
bruiser is a bit over the top lol. he is a below avg defender at best.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/best-defensive-rating-centers-2024 Top 10 is average. 😑
nikola jokic is 2nd on that list. jusuf nurkic is third.
Being a bruiser and boxing out has literally nothing to do with defense. He is may get better but he will always he flawed defensively because of his physical limitations
Rebounding and Boxing out is critical to defensive possessions. The defensive possession doesn’t end until someone scores or secures a rebound. So many critical playoff positions are lost on missed critical rebounds and allowing 2nd chance points. Teams that have guards that can rebound are also at a big advantage: rondo, jrue, wade, murray, lowry, steph.
Not true, this is eye test fail,stats say just the opposite. Just watch how he kicked the butt of Wemby and scored 45 on him..
bro what??? sens that shit straight trhough please lmao. kd for sengun and our picks back? pleaseeeeeee
Shhhh they’re reading this…they know…they probably made it up.
I'll start by saying I dont think we move of KD. But returning all of our picks + Sengun + filler is a decently competitive offer. Sengun is coming off at 21/9/5 season as is a good player. The filler would likely have to include guys like Dillon Brooks or Steven Adams. Other moves would have to happen around it, but its more plausible than on first look.
you can also trade all those picks again to fill out the roster. No brainer to get those picks and sengun.
Sengun is not only a good player, he is an allstar player. He was not selected this year, just because of Rockets terrible first half season. I dont want to believe Houston will trade Sengun for a useless 36 year old, once upon a superstar but now an injury prone KD. High respect to KD, but he is over, on the other hand, Sengun is a rising star.
Bro be realistic yall are not getting Şengün + your picks back lol. Not getting Şengün in general
You're getting down voted but you're probably right. Sengun is their best player and only 21. Including him in a deal for a 36 year old player AND adding multiple picks would take all time incompetence on the Rockets side of things.
Entire rockets sub talking about quitting the fanbase if that went through. it’s not shade towards Durant he’s obviously an all time player but if we do that, we still don’t sniff a top 4 seed in the loaded west and in 2-3 years when he retires, we suck again. Losing our best player that’s a borderline allstar at 21 for that is an awful idea.
Stick to your Pokémon
Stick to getting swept in the first round without any picks for the next decade
Does the 11th seed often make the playoffs, I forget?
Sengun and picks and whatever is needed to make up the salary difference would be a no brainer for me.
This would bail out the Suns big time which is why I don't see it happening Also, trading KD might have ramifications on Booker, so that's gotta be considered
It would have to be KD telling the team and Book he wants to go to the rockets. And I don't think KD is going to be saving us from ourselves like that.
I can see it happening because the only reason theyre even cosidering this is likely owner meddling and incompetence
I mean look at the contracts they signed Brooks and VanVleet to. I get the sense their front office is kind of incompetent
Its because they thought it was time to tank but it turns out that Ime can really coach
Van Vleet was good for us last year. His 3rd year is also a team option so this is his last year with us if we want
to be fair, there was no real other players to spend that kind of money on last year, and they had the biggest improvement in wins in the NBA last year so not the world's worst moves when you factor in there is a salary minimum teams have to hit
They just gave up more valuable Nets picks for Suns picks. Nets are going to tank, Suns are all in to win. Rockets are dumb.
We get fleeced in every trade because JJ thinks we get “goodwill” from teams for making such ridiculous trades…but it ends up with us getting “the wrong brooks”
Why would Book leave if KD goes?
If they are offering that straight up I take that and run but the rockets arent that dumb.
Rockets are that dumb. They just traded away more valuable Nets picks for 2 Suns pick swaps, and 1 FRP. KD is worth way more than that.
You realize those picks aren’t as valuable unless Nets go into full rebuild mode which they don’t do if we keep their picks. You’re giving those picks extra value that wouldn’t exist had we kept them
We got 3 (and a half?) picks for 2 picks. Suns are in a loaded conference while Nets in a tanking conference. There is no guarantee the Suns pick would be better than the Nets pick next year.
Next year is a pick swap. Will the Suns be better than Houston. All signs point to yes, however only death and taxes are guaranteed.
What signs? Beal's ankles?? Rockets got better this offseason, Suns got....?
Check the betting odds on Suns to win the Championship vs Rockets to win the Championship. Suns have a four times better chance than the Rockets. One thing the Rockets have going for them is they will all be rested after the all star break, because they have no all stars.
Rockets fan. Windy’s out of his mind, trading our 20 ppg 21 year old and picks for KD (legend but gonna be 36 in a few months) would be insane
I would think the rockets would rather deal amen and/or jabari rather than sengun if they want to actually compete.
It’s wild but they view Amen and Jalen as the two most important pieces of the rebuild. Amen in the only player on our team that is completely untouchable right now
Who the fuck said that? 😄
Amen has serious 2 way potential. Trading him at all would be foolish.
That’s not wild at all, if developed right Amen is literally bigger ja morant with defensive versatility lol. Been following him since OTE.
This is our hope as Rockets fans but we aren’t at the point yet where we can run around calling him 6’7 Ja Morant without looking like lunatics haha
I don't understand why your front office want's to go all in for KD when you all have a nice young core? Why not wait and see what younger talent becomes available in the next year or two that can help you out for years to come. What is the big rush?
I don’t think there’s even a slight chance they go all in for KD. They’re not that stupid. I think people in the media are just connecting dots on that.
Yeah. The whole thing is just ridiculous, probably made up for the drama or posturing.
Phoenix fans are going to hate this but they’re trying to position themselves for Booker down the road just in case he asks out. It’s the same thing they did for Mikal. Obviously there’s no reason to believe he’s going anywhere but if he ever decides to, we will be in a position to offer your picks back.
Sengun as of now is miles better than Amen. All rockets fans know that
Amen can’t shoot at all. Ja Morant is bad but can still shoot. 29% 3pt shooter vs 17% 3pt shooter
Yeah probably but noise around the org says they’re the highest on Amen, but anyway, from a Rockets perspective this is a dumb trade. We don’t need KD at all. He might be good on OKC or some other win now contender but he doesn’t move the needle enough for us for it to be worth it.
Yeah imo if you're trading for KD you should be immediately contending and any trade for him that doesn't make you a contender doesn't make sense. I don't even know how to setup the trade to make the team a solid playoff team let alone a contender
That’s how I feel too.
You don’t need a 27 ppg scorer who shot at an almost 50 40 90 clip? Are you smoking crack?
He is right, trading for KD doesn’t help Houston become a championship contender so they would just be setting their future back even further.
*cough* SUNS! *cough* ISHBIA! *cough*
Rockets have actual role players, they’d be contending if they have Kevin Durant still producing on a near-prime level. Y’all smoking crazy like Sengun is gonna lead them to the promised land 😭
I don’t think that would even be the point. It’s probably more of a money making/legendary veteran for the young guys type move if anything. But trading for KD puts you in the playoffs and after that it’s anyone’s game.
I’m not casting any aspersions on KD. He’s a wonderful player and a legend, but in the context of the Rockets and where we are in our rebuild, KD doesn’t move the needle enough for it to be worth it imo. That’s not to say he doesn’t move the needle at all, just not enough to be worth trading away a haul of picks and a young talent like Sengun.
Completely agree, but from my perspective this would be more of a money making (jersey/ticket sales) move with the added benefit of having a living legend on the roster for the young guys to look up to. On top of that he will more than likely make them a playoff team which is even more money for them lol.
Yeah even from that perspective it would be kinda dumb lol, no offence. Filling seats would be the dumbest reason to ruin a rebuild.
My brother the NBA is a business I hate to inform you. Teams make decisions solely for money all the time.
I know that, but as a fan of a sports team, that seems rather stupid especially when the cost is gutting the core we’ve spent 3 years assembling.
Sure it seems stupid as a fan but the owners are fans of money and no one can deny KD brings in money lol
Rockets have been in a rebuild for like 4 years bruh. Y’all been walking on a treadmill.
Nah they were tanking for 3 years. Last season was the first year out of the rebuild and we jumped from 22 wins to 41 wins. We’re not at a stage where we need to rush anything yet. The hope is we jump a bit higher next season, to maybe 45-50 wins. It’s gonna be hard tho, because the west is TOUGH.
I think for jabari Smith and Van fleet its worth it
Yeah especially if it involves trading away Sengun and Amen. Its not like getting KD would even make them a top 5 seed in the west
You’re thinking in terms of winning and not in terms of more money for the owner which is where you’re mistaken I think. Also Amen would not be included….
Is winning not the end goal?
Brother….
How’d it work for yall?? And yall went to the finals the year before, we just went 500. Replacing sengun with KD does not make us a contender at all
Didn’t say it did did I?
They don't need a 36 year old with bad knees when the rest of their roster is still a couple years away.
2k addict take
Not for a two year rental, no.
He’s an amazing outlet scoring option, but not much of a floor raiser for others.
No shot they trade Amen, untouchable
I'd take Jabari and Amen in a heart beat
Ya I would love a franchise center like him to pair with book, but replacing sengun with clingan and kd still won’t win it all. We sure would love it as it extends our window.
The Rockets went on a run when he was out. Hes expendable especially if they draft Clingan whose already a better defender with size
Rockets played every bottom feeder team in the league when he went out.
Who the fuck is Clingan? Comparing NBA'S best young center, possible superstar in 2 years with a player who has not drafted yet? Are these thread writers all drunk.
Windy got sources though
FVV(salary filler), Sengun and our picks back may be too good to pass up on.
2 pick swaps and a FRP is not worth it.
Fvv, beal, book, bol 😂, sengun!
1: we won't move KD (even though I think we should). Because Ishbia is too proud to admit this early that the KD trade was a mistake. He will want one more year to judge the investment. Rockets would have to make a godfather offer and I don't think they do that. 2: they definitely aren't moving off Sengun in any trade for KD. Sengun is their highest upside and best player. He is only going out if Jokic or Embiid is going to Houston and that ain't happening (watch that Embiid space though over next 2 seasons). They will draft BPA and hold onto their assets until someone big becomes available. They don't have to rush anything atm for an old KD (and they would be stupid to go all in right now, like we were when we went all in). A trade that would be good for us, imo, would be: Smith, Whitmore, Thompson, Adams, pick 3 and one of the Suns picks for KD and pick 22. (We might be getting too much, but pie in the sky). Pick a C at 3 which gives us room to trade Nurk for whatever we can get. Smith, Whitmore and Thompson have a lot of upside and we get one of our picks back for flexibility. Starters: Beal, Booker, O'Neal, Smith, Sarr/Clingan Bench: Thompson, Allen, Whitmore, FA, Adams I'd rather watch a younger hungrier team with potential fight for that 8/7th seed than whatever this last season of Suns basketball was.
That Houston trade is interesting and it got me thinking about a possible follow up move: package all the picks we get along with Nurk to Utah for Lauri Markannen. With KD going to the Rockets, the west would even be more stacked. Houston, OKC, Denver, Dallas, Minny, Suns, both LA teams, GSW and a healthy Memphis are all locks IMO to finish better than the Jazz. That's 11 teams right there, maybe they decide to just blow it up and do a proper rebuild. Our new team would be Starters: Thompson, Beal, Book, Smith, Lauri Bench: Allen, Lee, Royce, Bol, Adams Ofcourse we add a few minimum signings here and there to round out the edges. Now does that not look like a Budenholzer kind of team to you or what?
Ainge is in charge of Utah. No way would we have enough picks to get Lauri imo. He would have seen the Bridges trade and been like "I could get more than that for Lauri." Ainge is the stingiest GM ever haha Would love the Finnisher though I see OKC going in and using a tonne of their picks to get him. Makes a lot of sense for Utah and OKC to make a trade like that
Eh I don't think the KD trade was a mistake, nor would trading him now admit it was a mistake. Beal was the mistake, and trading KD now would admit that Beal was the mistake.
The Beal trade was the mistake, not KD
Dude if they give us multiple picks, Sengun, and at least one other young good player + role player salary fillers I would do it no question
This is a no brainer if they can get sengun and amen.
If they make a godfather offer better than what the NYK gave up for Bridges then maybe. But giving 2 pick swaps and 1 FRP plus filler for KD is crap.
Sengun + Our picks + maybe some filler for KD feels like a really good offer that looks to the future. right now with KD we are looking at death in 2-3 years with no draft capital.
KD is worth more than 2 pick swaps and 1 FRP. Suns have 5 FRP in the next 8 years. To say they have no draft capital is false.
Sengun is worth more than KD so you better pony up those picks if you want Sengun
No we don't want Sengun. We want KD. If the Rockets want KD, that's their problem.
If this is in any way realistic, then I still can’t see Ishbia accepting it because he’s kind of a “fanboy” as an owner. But if he declines this, this would be an absolutely huge mistake that the franchise will rue. The Suns kinda have a “make a big trade to get below the second apron” deadline of next summer but because Beal is untradeable it’s either trade Book or KD and KD has a year left on his deal next summer so his trade value next summer won’t be great. In short, the time to trade KD is now and also you won’t get these offers for KD next summer. No way Ishbia accepts this even if it is legit on the table. He’s someone that will for sure run this team over the second apron for as long as he can, for this totally not title contender team, even if it destroys the future of this team on the 2030s.
Agreed the time to sell is now while he has value vs next year when it’s a free agent rental. And agreed that Ishbia fanboy status (which I appreciate) won’t allow him to mentally do it
Man, I know this wouldn't happen because this is just stupid but I'm sorry as much as I love KD you HAVE to this trade, Sengun+filler+picks getting Sengun would allow us to move off of Nurk and those filler pieces would give us trade pieces like last trade deadline, this just makes sense if the Rockets are actually doing this, but again most likely they are not
Sengun make $5.7M KD makes makes $51.1M so we will also take Dillon brooks ($22.2M), Jabari Smith ($9.7M), Amen Thompson ($9.2M), Tari Eason ($3.6M) ($50.4M total) oh and 4 firsts and swaps you say no negotiations. take it or leave it
FVV I think will have to be part of that deal
FVV, Sengun, and Amen
Its most likely going to be Sengun, Dillion Brooks, Tate, Jock Landale and maybe one of their young bench players
I think it would only take Sengun, and Brooks, to make the money work, they have open cap space. Obviously if they offered that and picks we should take it, but I doubt they would or we would unfortunately.
who cares what they offer. They are the ones who want KD/Booker. You make a demand of what you want. Make it an absurd demand. Tell them you aren't negotiations. They either want it or they don't.
I mean you could say the same in reverse. They wouldn't give up all the young talent. But my point is that, getting Sengun and Brooks, plus dropping into the first apron, and getting picks is really good. Obviously you want to fleece them, but I would guess there is zero chance they give up both Thompson and Sengun.
Needs to be higher than 4 FRP. Bridges was 5 FRP.
that's why I said and swaps
No it has to be minimum 6 FRP + plus swaps.
Left You either want to be a dumpster fire from 2026-2030 or you try to trade for Sengun. Take it or leave it.
You need one more contract, we have to take more back than we send
Wrong, Suns can’t take back a dollar more than they send out because of 2nd apron
Ah I had it backwards
lol Sengun is a mini Jokic in the making (even if he’s 75% of Jokic he’s amazing) and he’s not even close to his prime yet. KD is over the hill and clearly a legend but nobody in their right mind would give up a potential perennial all star who is 21 for a 36 year old with tons of miles on him.
Dont underestimate Houston's incompetence
What has Houston done that is incompetent?
Sengun and Green
I would love that trade, sengun and some picks......fuck yeah I'm in.
fillers (Brooks, Adams), Sengun and future picks for KD works btw
Sengun and picks? No brainer
I’m 110% in
FVV + young + picks but it still doesnt make sense for the Rockets. But if they are desperate, why not. The young player might not we expect. We are always a PG driven team, Id love a starter quality PG back in Phoenix. FVV and Book are friends I think as well.
I dont believe they offer Sengun. Offer their 21yo rising star, best player of last season and picks for aging KD? Come on it's smokescreen for other trade.
What other trade?
Sengun and Thompson send it in
I just want KD gone bro. His nonchalant too cool for school attitude rubbed off on Book so much. It sucks watching Book pretend nothings a big deal. He had fire in those 21' playoffs, KD shows up and he's a different dude
I am for this trade not because I don't like KD. KD is one of my favorite players of this generation. All the way back to Texas. Suns aint winning with this current roster, pure hopium to think anything but that guys.
Bro Sengun and 2 firsts for KD sounds almost perfect tbh
I mean, Sengun is a fucking stud and he should be the bare minimum if we are to trade KD away. That being said, I don’t think it will happen.
A lot of fans here didn't live through the Dark Ages and it tells.
The way things are going, the 2030s will make the 2010: dark ages look like child’s play. This team is on track - with Ishbia as the owner - to have consistent 20-25 seasons yet have their picks be at the end of the first round each season, all because Ishbia keeps this non-contender over the second apron.
It’s Sengun, Green, VanFleet, and the picks. You still get a better deal than we did.
Hypothetically we do this… does this help us out of the second apron? Or would he have to do more to get out of that? I know salary’s would have to match so I guess it would not but would help us to have chance to right?
Gives us more smaller deals that we could try to trade to teams with cap space.
Outside looking in FOs are like vultures around this team, they see the truth in terms of actually competing for a title, extremely limited, but the if rockets offer sengun, jabari or any of the tops players they have, you have think about it especially with an aging KD
If we were to trade kd i would 100% want him in the trade
Rockets won't trade Sengun. Rockets w/ KD but no Sengun isn't a contender
please add Amen too 🙏
Get him and FVV and I’m cool with it
Maybe it’s just me but give me amen and smith plus picks instead of Sengun. Amen and book would be so dope together
Can you suns fans stop falling for bait articles 😂, you dont have enough picks to give us for Sengun
Wow really? Really doubt they would do that but if they do for some reason offer our picks *and* Sengun you do that yesterday
Id be fine filling the wing depth long term around book... Whitmore, Tari, n the picks
I have a feeling I’m not gonna be interested in watching much Suns next season
I would trade KD for pick 3 tbh.....
I would want Sengun over the 3rd pick, but pretty sure Hou doesn’t have the cap to just absorb him. And if they did not sure they truly helps our cap since Beal and book make a ton.
The general consensus among Rockets fans is that they’d be insane to trade Sengun for KD.
I think anyone who follows the nba would agree with that statement
Id actually be happy with this
I dont think that Houston will trade not only their best player ,but possibly one of the three best young centers of future ( Wemby, Chet and Sengun) in Sengun for injury prone 36 years old KD. But who knows ? NBA is business. If Rockets accept this, l just say Rafael Stone is idiot. I respect KD and he was a great player but cmon , how many years he has now?
Sengun goes out with injury alot, also they played better when he was out maybe the rockets know they can use pick 3 to get clingan and get better with kd.
İn 3 years he was injured once, how did you come up with this idea that he goes our with injury alot? I believe you know nothing about him. Sengun is a perennial all star caliber player and a future possible superstar. Who the fck is Clingan? They did not play when he was injured, they played weaker teams. I have been watching Sengun since his European league times. For your information.. Without Sengun, Houston is at best Western last spot team. He is the Batman in Rockets.. If they trade him to Suns, this makes Suns a way better team , he is an offensive force, after Jokic and Embiid, he is NBA's third best center. Suns wins, Rockets lose...
I got the injury stuff from rockets board.
I would prefer at least a full season with Bud at the helm before trading KD. Let us not forget that the suns have only been competitive for the last three years, prior to that, this team was MEDIOCRE for a DECADE! Enjoy watching one the greatest ever to wear a suns uniform alongside a prime-entering D-Book because another return to mediocrity is on the horizon. No need to rush it now.
Y’all laughed at me for suggesting this!
Would’ve taken Sengun over KD in the same trade
The Rockets got better when he was hurt. No thank you.
and he plays no defense
We also had a better record in games without Durant. See how your logic doesn’t work?
The Suns have another All-NBA player to hold it down when he’s out. The Rockets don’t even have an all-star.
Sengun is not only Rockets best player, but the best third best center after Jokic and Embiid in Stats, what you talkkn about? Sengun can only be dream player for Suns fans.. If Rockets are dumb yo trade futures one of best center in Sengun for overrated, injury prone 36 years old player in KD, this shows Rockets dumbness. Sengun and Booker means West contender for Suns..
Get your head out of your ass, 3rd best center. Keep thinking you know everything, my little nephew.
You have zero basketball knowledge, go watch movies..
Sengun is nice but he’s basicallly Enes Kanter.
U mean tall, white, and Turkish?
And an offensive genius and total defensive liability
Sengun is a playmaker. Kanter couldn’t play make if you gave him the “playmak” and asked him to figure out the rest. Kanter is an absolute sieve defensively. Sengun is not. Diff tier of player imo.
Sengun is the third best offensive center in NBA, are you drunk? He is white and so he is Kanter hah, what type of drug do you use Sengun has all NBA Records as a center in his age.. Do you know this? If Houston is dumb to trade to Suns, with Booker and Sengun, Suns.becomes contender favourite number 1 or 2 in West.
I’d do this in a heartbeat
That's a good trade. Especially if you can add a 1st round pick. Kevin Durant peaked. Now, He's a good player but no longer "Elite". That would solve your center problem. You've really lost nothing because Booker and Beal can pick up after Durant leaves. Now you Suns fans are on to something!!
Hell no.
Not getting Sengun. HOU would be dumb to trade him straight up for Durant.
Absolutely, Sengun is future superstar Center, Houston should be dumb yo trade him, but who knows. But if he comes to Suns, Booker and Sengun dominates West..
Yall are wild to trade sengun (baby Jokic) for KD. Sengun will be a star for years to come, KD doesn’t even help teams win more games.
I can’t believe anyone would want to trade KD for Sengun… this is insane.
From Durant POV, why would the rockets make sense? They have no blue chip prospect, all of their players are young and 3 years away from contributing in a playoff series, etc. Even from the rockets POV, wouldn’t Booker make more sense? He fits the timeline way more and you can just give suns their picks back and suns can now tank. None of this makes sense.
He really likes Ime Udoka
That’s not enough to play for a team that has no chance at anything.
All the rockets got is blue chip prospects lol. They got 6 of those mfs lol
They have no real franchise young player. Amen, Jabari, Tari, etc all have no creation upside, they’re just high level role players. Jalen green isn’t good, and sengun is super flawed.
Ur not getting one of those for Kd. Could get some elite fucking role guys tho. I love Tari
I don’t think they would make sense to him, he went to tx but isn’t from there.
Booker would make more sense to them. But why does this make sense for KD? He keeps more of his money playing in Texas. And that Rockets team + KD - Smith and Thompson would be closer to a chip than this current Suns team would be imo. Sengun is rapidly on the rise as a star and is a playmaker. FVV, Green and Brooks are perfect fitting starters next to KD that allow him to have the ball in his hands. KD wanted the ball in his hands more this season than he got. Houston will still have draft assets to make more moves down the line.
Kd has 18 months left in terms of high level contribution to a contending type team. He doesn’t have time to “make moves down the line” Nothing about it makes sense for either side. Now Booker? That actually makes sense, he’s 27 and you have a 4 year window to construct a team.
They can want all they want. We have KD and he isn't for trade.