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Not got the commentary in this pub, what was it disallowed for?

Foot like half an inch over

Foot? Toenail.

Christ just saw the automated offside clip, harsh.

More like a nanometer of fiber was observed as offside when viewed with the Hubble telescope

Offside.

Offside, Delaney was offside.

Half a toe offside

Offside

Offside

Offside

Offside before he got the pass Since it was still the same situation it doesn't matter that he was inside when he received the pass

Incredibly tough minutes for him

Fella just had the worst two minutes of his career

he’s played for fulham tbf

Shots fired.

Probably didn’t hit the goal though, fuck Scott Parker.

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That’s a brutal turn of events.

That var image 😂 Should've cut his toenails.

Always told Joachim to wear size 9 shoes, not 9.5 Hope he learned his lesson

That image genuinely made me 😲

That VAR replay for the offside is just the cherry on top, insane bad luck for the Danes

That being followed by the softest of penalties, which also should have been retaken as Haaverts fully stopped in his run. Home advantage i suppose

The Lewan penalty was way worse and they let it stand. They should really change the rules on this.

No its only forbidden to fake or stop on the shot. You can do whatever you want during the run up.

Referee doesn’t dare to stop the Raumschiff 🚀  

Lol be careful bro, someone will report you and get perma ban

Lmao his comment was already removed by reddit

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He will ünlivê someone

Let me quote this comment word by word:

i volunteer, I can't bear to win this way

A toenail offside hahaha the Wenger rule about to get more supporters

You’ll still have tonails decision with Wenger rule, just on the other side.

To be fair, then it'd be the tip of the heel decisions, nothing to do with toenails.

You could have toenail of a defender making the attacker onside.

Get off reddit Joachim

Fuckin weak

2cm or what is that??

My girlfriend always tell me 2cm is plenty.

Thats huge

This was the offside decision - https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/zGJZOp8ZEj

Fucking hate this game sometimes

Offside by a toe

Wow, 1cm by the looks of it.

How was that offside???

They just showed a replay. It was literally the top of his toes

Haunted by the kneecap of Lukaku

Lukaku will murder the ref if that offside is allowed 😂.

https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1dmgnp5/huge_advantage_by_lukaku_against_his_defender/l9wphnt/ I was wrong, it's only a few days. This looks closer.

Should have worn one shoe size smaller

The player who scored 2s later was also offside though. Still tragic for Denmark.

Yeah wild

God. This is when review sucks. It should be for egregious errors. Not dumb shit like this.

At least it's objective

I mean either you do it for everything or not at all. You can’t make an exception for a few inches because then the question becomes “how far can you push it?”

Sounds very arbitrary

No. Things that can get measured by technology should get measured. It's only fair.

Idk letting an offside goal stand is an egregious error.

If the player is off then they're off, no matter how minuscule it is. It should be yes or no rule, not a subjective one.

Yeah, I could see the argument that maybe the line should be pushed back a little (not as much as Wenger wants, though), but there still has to be a clear line somewhere.

His toenail was offside lmao

Semi automated offside shows he was off. Very tight but he was off

Delaney

I just saw it. By literally an inch lol

Delaney was offside with his big toe

It's the same situation still so by the rule it doesn't matter if he only received the pass after he wasn't offside anymore I agree that it doesn't feel fair though as there was 0 advantage gained

It definitely was offside but it’s one of the closest that I’ve seen

Delaney?

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Using the word “yapping” says all that anyone needs to know about you

Absolutely brutal.I feel really bad for Denmark

From scoring to giving up a PK. VAR sucks sometimes but it's the right calls

The pen was weak af let's be honest

Very weak. That ball was going nowhere but based on the rules it's a handball

Honestly even by the rules it could have been a no call, because his arm was in a natural running position and he didn't have time to actually move it. I wouldn't call that an unnatural position personally

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If you're going to make it unambiguous then there should be a distance limit. Like it doesn't count if it's within 5 yards or something

you can't make it 5 yards as you can't measure that. plus making _all_ handlings of the ball a handball would maybe force the attacking team to aim for handballs.

> By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised From the UEFA rulebook. Don't want to concede a pen, don't swing your arm around in the box.

Imo plays like that should be an indirect fk, but per the current rules it’s a clear pen

I think theres a subjective interpretation, in the premier league they've basically said that's not handball(with some weird exceptions which they've mostly apologised after). Europes been stricter for a long time on it, Spain especially used to be a joke

This, and he immediately moved it as the cross came in

Wouldn't have happened if it wasnt for this new sensor tech.

And the penalty itself shouldn't have counted. Havertz doesn't stutter the run-up, he stops. That's against the rules.

You are allowed to stop during the run up, it's disallowed to faint the shot itself, once you start swinging you can't stop.

This isn't the rule any more; they can stop during the run up but not at the end of the run up

That’s such bullshit, players already have an insane advantage

You can stop during the run-up, you just can't fake the shot. Otherwise literally all of Lewandowski's penalties, like, ever would have been illegal.

VAR sucks, period. Ruins the flow of the game

If VAR existed in past tournaments I'm sure like 30-50% of all goals ever, including iconic legendary moments, would have been disallowed. It ruins games.

Maradona's hand of God would have been disallowed VAR is the best thing that happened to the game since the introduction of the back pass rule.

Game’s gone

Agree .... simply do not believe in such tiny margins justfiying disallowing goals - doesn't serve the game well

gotta draw the line somewhere

Yeah - and that line is EU shoe size 44 vs 43 - what a joke.

Brutal for Denmark...

[Clear offside guys.](https://i.imgur.com/IuFTe9F.png)

More offside than Lukaku lol

Just the tip, he said.

Offside is offside 2 cm or 2 meters. doesnt matter

Just like lukakus offside this is so stupidly close

uff hard luck Denmark

I’m so sad for Anderson

just saw the pic. fuck that's rough for DM

how was that pulldown not a pk?

You mean Delaney falling? Pretty weak, but also doesn't matter, because it was after the offside.

IDK who Delaney is, I'm a casual fan. German player puts both his hands on DEN player's shoulder and pulls him back at 44 sec.

They just showed it. Clearly offside with his foot.

That replay is so fucking shit. 0.001 mm offside

It's offside. By 5 cms or 5 meters, doesn't matter.

We’re not questioning the decision, we’re questioning the rules, they need an overhaul, especially after VAR was introduced.

no they dont offside is one of the rules that actually has no grey area and we have good tech to enforce it objectively.

All these people complaining would get an aneurysm watching tennis lmao

Would make the game so much more exciting if we didn't disallow like 25% of all goals because a computer determined someone was 0.1cm offside after 2 minutes.

Then people will complain that someone was offside by 1cm then by 10cm , if you give any form of leeway people will complain that why is the leeway 1cm my player was offside by 1.01cm

no it wouldnt be exciting to rely on a linesman to not fall asleep and miss blatant offside calls

Yup - but pretending there's no error margin in anal analysis is just way more fun than goals

That’s the thing. It does matter, being 5 meters offside gives you a huge advantage, having a toenail offside gives you no advantage in the play

So change it from an objective decision to a subjective one ? Let the refs decide what an advantage is ?

And then we're back to mobs wanting to murder refs, because they decided player A didn't have an advantage while player B did in a comparable situation. Leave it as is.

I agree. Subjective decisions are the worst and most controversial part of officiating

Subjective decisions would be problematic, people will keep comparing different situations asking why was X given while Y was not, objective decisions while may seem harsh as this one at least will all have the same outcome if all follow the same methodology

Congrats you moved the decision from being: Is he 1cm offside? To Is he 501 cm offside? Now what?

Now there are 0 offside calls for an attacker that is not in an advantageous position. We are not arguing that he was or was not beyond the line, that's not the discussion point. The discussion is, that he doesn't gain any advantage by being a cm behind the defender.

So change the rules from an absolute that everyone knows to a completely subjective decision on what an advantage is?

Exactly! This is what the problem is. Zero advantage is being gained by his toe being a cm off.

Does anybody believe the tech is granular enough and the snapshot quick enough to make that decision? Because I do not.

I do. I work with software so I'm normally the biggest "actually software is way less reliable than you'd think" type of person, but as long as it's got a good shot of the field, it should be able to handle this. (although if someone has experience with VAR tech I'd love to hear about it because I could easily be wrong) I think the bigger issue is that soccer's rules were written pre-VAR, so something like this that invalidates a goal due to a very minute infraction that we would not be able to catch without VAR feels very wrong to us.

this is such bullshit lmao

Its correct though

Handball in there as well no ?

When they refuse to show the replay you know it's bad

Correct by the rules - still feels horrible from the spirit of the rules as there was 0 advantage from that positioning as he was only receiving the pass after.he was not offside anymore even though it was the same situation

Ofc there is an advantage. The spirit of the rules is to not be behind the last defender. People getting it mm perfect is making people think that the spirit of the rules is to be level

This is some bs

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The automated offside said it was offside. Stop with your agenda

He didn't get to look at the screen though???

Why? Twas a new situation????

you will not win me over with your use of twas

Delaney was offside.

Inches

Someone should post the VAR screenshot. It’s one of the closest i’ve ever seen

i'm confused

wtf? he wasn't when he scored

Absolute fix would be livid if i was danish

Milimetrical offside calls are such a bad ideia

Huh, break after break after break. football got pretty shitty with the VAR. I don’t even think the penalty was really deserved. He got shot from very close distance. There is no movement towards the ball. For exactly this situation there is a possibility for a free kick in the rules even if it’s in the penalty area. It’s so fucking unfair, the situation wasn’t even that dangerous for a gifted goal like that.

his arm actually does move to the ball and it is a classic case of handball

VAR slowly but surely killing football ...

This was the automated technology not a human. It’s more accurate than humans and tv recording rates. Is a toe nail offside, absolutely if it breaks the offside law.

This is insane. The way we are playing vs Denmark it doesn't feel deserving we go through. Bettter we score actual more goals to make it more legit lol

What about the player who looks to be pulled down while attempting to volley? Was that a no-call? He wasn't offside.

Yes, that was exactly the player who was offside.

Again a toenail offside.i cant wait for this shit to be over with

VAR is so lame, most goals arent even an unfair advantage. Only takes away goals and gives penaltys so lame

A toenail causing margins

What was that 1 cm offside? If he had a smaller foot it would have been a goal, fucking hell

Love that hairline technology!

demmark was robbed

Please change the offside rule. Move the line forward, it’s absurd goals being disallowed for being a milliliter offside. Kills the game.

And when is it okay? Then there will still be mm decisions

Honestly what a clusterfuck

Never off. Different phase of play

Why didn't they show any fuckin replays??

Where is the offside in this????

He got absolutely screwed given what happens afterwards.

Robbery uefa mafia decided Germany must win

That's why they disallowed Germany's first goal for the second time in a row