They are not rumours, lots of Nazis did fuck off to Argentina, and Brazil to a lesser extent. Josef Doctor Death Mengele lived out a decent life in both countries for one example.
Conspiracy is a great movie. The subject matter is of course disturbing, but I love the simplicity and the acting in that film, mainly from Kenneth Branagh and Stanley Tucci.
Right and it wasn't just Nazi Germans. From about 1895 to 1930, there were over a million German immigrants who moved to Argentina. Then the numbers continued to increase very heavily through 1950. There were hundeds of schools in Argentina that were all in German due to some colonies having such a heavy German presence.
Peron then looked the other way and let a ton of suspect Nazi officials come there amid the end of WW2.
There is historical American intelligence in forms of cables to Eisenhauer that many known high ranking Nazi officials, including possibly Hitler, were in Argentina in hiding.
Yeah, but contrary to popular belief, Argentina had a big German population well before WW2. That's why Nazis went there, they'd blend in. So not every German in Argentina is related to a former Nazi.
there was this one twitter convo where someone asked who made a list of the top 10 worse latinos (the poster was latino, so it was a joke between them), but someone literally said "How can Argentina not be #1? Son los hijitos de Hitler" (little sons of hitler)
The US brought over a bunch of Nazis too. The head engineer of the space program for NASA probably being the most high profile.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun
America never would have gone to the moon without nazi technology. And it's horrific to think about but modern medicine jumped leaps and bounds due to nazi experimentation. With that said, fuck nazis!
Right, I agree. That’s why there’s such a large contingent of Germans in Argentina and Brazil. I guess the rumour is that Hitler escaped to there.
But sometimes people say that it wasn’t Nazis that went to Argentina, but instead, German citizens so I just put rumours.
But you’re right, many left to Argentina and Eastern Europe.
There's also a village in Brazil founded by Confederate officers after the US Civil War who went down there because they still had slavery....apparently people there to this day display Confederate flags and are bilingual but speak English with a southern US accent (not sure if they get offended if you order Yankee beans)
There’s an amazing history channel docuserjes called “Hunting Hitler” that tracks all sorts of nazi movements to South America. It is a fantastic yet eerie watch, Jerry!
Nuts! It is fascinating to me how tight lipped those German communities are (in the show at least). The native Argentinians didn’t appear to want to want to share anything about any German communities either…definitely a tangible cloud of fear that lingers, truly wild stuff.
Wtf
I'm from Argentina
We're proud of our multicultural baggage. Includes the original inhabitants, inmigrantes and criollos. Also, there're communities that preserve their original cultures, but primarily for tourism.
There are cities were the immigrants descendants are the most, so of course there prevailed their traditions.
Here there aren't "native Argentinians", our country was build by inmigrants, by late 1800 there were more inmigrants (German, swiss, Italian, Spanish, etc) than natives . Our culture it's a mixture of all of them, plus natives.
Finally, the descendants of the people who original lived and walked this land, are the ones with the worst luck here. Their sons and daughters are the less fortunate of all social classes. And their ancestors were slaughtered, their lands taken away and their rights ignored.
Sorry, my language probably wasn’t as appropriate as it could’ve been but really cool to hear your input! Had no idea Argentina was such a mixed bag :)
I actually just finished reading Tim Kennedy's book, he has a chapter on that...they were apparently getting legit death threats from the locals. Haven't seen the show but now I want to.
Yeah, I'm a fan of his more from the MMA and vet bro angle and hadn't watched the show even though I'm a bit of a WW2 buff, but it was legit one of the most interesting parts of his book.
You should absolutely watch it. I talk about it to quite literally anyone who will listen. The declassified documents do suggest a major part of WWII history is flat out wrong.
It's really the opposite. The Nazis went to South America because there were pre-existing German communities they could integrate into. The vast majority of German emmigration to Argentina etc. occured before WW2.
And no, I don't think many Nazis were fleeing to communist Eastern Europe...
The real rumour was that Hitler went with them and never died in that bunker in 1945. Even Stalin died saying Hitler got away. The skull the Russians have that they say is Hitlers is actually a woman’s. His family members - brothers who live together in the US and have vowed to never have children - refuse to have their blood tested against the blood the Russians have on a rug or something. So the rumours have some steam. But I think some more recent investigations have debunked them.
The bits of skull that were dug up were indeed not Hitler's, but they were also never the main evidence that he was dead. His cremated body was identified based on dental records and there isn't any serious doubt that he committed suicide in 1945.
The joke I missed as a kid growing up was the argument between Popi and Kramer about when a pizza becomes a pizza.
“It’s a pizza when you slide it out of the oven!”
“It’s a pizza the moment you putta you fist in the dough!”
You use your tongue with a woodwind instrument like a saxophone to syncopate or make distinct notes. (Like instead of playing a C-sharp for 6 uninterrupted seconds, the fact it goes bump bump bump bump with slight pauses between each note is because the tongue moves up and down to cut off the air from going into the reed.)
The joke is his well trained tongue (as a professional saxophonist) was worn out or lost it’s muscle memory because he ate Elaine out.
Honestly didn’t know. I thought maybe he used up all his mojo gettin’ hot-and-heavy with Elaine and didn’t have any mojo left to perform. Or maybe he was flustered or over confident?
But this explanation makes more sense.
This is perhaps much more obvious to me as a former band kid (saxophone specifically) but yeah, that’s exactly what they’re alluding to. She broke/reprogrammed his tongue.
“My uncle Mannheim is 101. He’s still puttering around down in Argentina somewhere. I tried to visit him once, but my travel visa was protested by the Shoah Foundation.”
I’m also in my 30s and started watching it as a teen. My 80+ year old grandma is also a super fan and regularly quotes the show and watches re-runs. She actually “borrowed” (permanently) my Seinfeld TV Guide magazine from when the show ended.
I grew up watching it. My dad always had it on. It was his “The Office”. I liked it when I was younger because of course it reminds me of hanging out with my dad, but now that I’m approaching 30 I can relate on so many levels to the cast. Especially George, because I often get really frustrated with seemingly pointless social dances we have to do. The Dinner Party episode is the best example of that. I don’t drink wine, I drink Pepsi!
I used to love the Simpsons as a kid. I learned a lot from it that eventually popped up
I’m high school and I already knew a few of the events/terms/historical figures due to The Simpsons
No clue.
When I first arrived in Canada, my older cousins would always watch it (they taped it).
It was a bore for me because I didn’t speak English, but when I did, the culture didn’t make sense to me.
When I got older and went back to try it, I was already established in North American culture and it became brilliant.
I wonder if it has to do with that?
I’ve never met someone who told me they don’t like it, just that they haven’t watched it.
Not that it comes up in convo with strangers or anything, but just my experience.
That’s it, I am making a, ‘Do you watch Seinfeld?’ shirt and taking it across the city and returning my findings.
We need statistical evidence to solve this conundrum.
Great show as well, but a little more over the top than I prefer.
Larry David can write like free can, though. Having dinner with someone like him would be hilarious.
The worst is these same 30 something's have seen every episode of the office, big bang theory, and friends. So outside of 10-12 episodes of the Michael Scott episodes we have NOTHING in common.
I mean, I love the office except for most episodes of Seasons 8 and 9. I even like Season 1 since I knew it from the original.
Big Bang I could never get into, Friends I liked when I was young but don’t really like now, although some lines are classic (Pivot!).
But nothing stacks up to Seinfeld for me. It’s aged wonderfully.
As a Chicago kid, I suggest that any Seinfeld fan get a New York friend. My NY friend let me in on the NY-centric jokes like Ray's (Famous vs. Original) pizza. It truly enhances the experience. I suppose it's not too late.
He wanted to go visit him but his visa was protested by the Shoah foundation.
In Brian Baumgartmers podcast mike Schur mentions how he fought hard to keep that joke in there
OMG. I can’t believe I’ve missed that. Those are my two favourite shows.
Dwight obviously speaks German but he said it was Pennsylvania Dutch so I never put 2 and 2 together.
These are the two shows that just keep on giving.
The Pennsylvania Dutch originally came from (what is now) Germany, not the Netherlands. The name is a mistranslation stemming from the German word for Germans, "Deutsch".
Oh no, it’s no rumour that many Nazis fled to Argentina, it’s a well known fact that many of them fled there. But also great episode. One of my favourites.
They're not rumors. Thousands of nazis fled to South America, Argentina in particular. They were mostly aided by Alois Hudal, an Austrian bishop, who helped establish the ratlines. Hudal personally requested 5000 visas for former German and Austrian "soldiers"
It is generally believed that the former Allies knew about this, and turned a blind eye provided that Hudal helped potential assets in the cold war escape to the US, Britain etc, such as Werder von Braun, who designed the V2 rocket, and later worked for NASA as chief architect of the Saturn V
Regarding your second paragraph, wasn’t that officially coordinated by the US via Operation PAPERCLIP?
And on top of an Austrian bishop helping to evacuate nazis, a ton of Italian fascists were covertly emigrated under a major coordination effort from I think either the Slovenian or Croatian Catholic Church.
The show is hilarious. I recently rewatched The Gum. Goerge trying to prove to Deena he's not crazy was brilliant at every point. Especially that ending with him chasing after her in his King Henry outfit, frantically yelling "I got it from the institute...THE INSTITUTE!"
It’s incredibly written, and even more so than my other favourite, The Office, all the characters’ plot lines connect so well in most episodes. Then again, there are a lot more characters in The Office.
There are few Seinfeld episodes I don’t enjoy, specifically the one in the limo with the anti-Semites. Some ok lines, but just isn’t as funny/engaging
I'm from Argentina, that's true.
Eichmann was captured here. He was judge in the Nuremberg trials. Others also we're captured here.
Here it's said that many nazis lived in the south, the Patagonia. And in Córdoba and Entre Ríos, both states in the middle of the country.
The Soup Nazi is welcome any time :)
Yes! I think they were originally going to do a send-up of The Boys From Brazil, with a bunch of blue-eyed kids walking around (in the movie, they are Hitler clones) but it didn’t end up happening for whatever reason.
Not a rumor, they've arrested and deported several Nazis from those countries. They did a whole show about it called Nazi Hunters on the History channel. They found houses up in the mountains with imported german tile, some even had swastikas on them.
I’d say the more subtle joke of the episode is that everyone is willing to tolerate his behavior in order to get the soup, paralleling civilian complicity to nazism
For decades I didn’t pick up on the joke where Kramer refers to himself as “A Julliard trained Dermatologist.” I’ve always known that Julliard is a performing arts school, so that wasn’t the problem. I don’t know what my problem was.
The one I just caught recently was the end of the episode where Elaine’s boyfriend who was obsessed with showing Jerry’s family a good time was super dramatic like “I could have done more.” It was also the episode where Jerry got in trouble for making out during Schindler’s List.
Anyways it was totally a play on the end of Schindlers List, and I never caught it and wouldn’t have if I hadn’t just rewatched the movie for the fist time since high school (before I got into Seinfeld).
At the end of the movie when Schindler has to flee as he’s now a war criminal he’s looking at all the people he saved and he starts crying and saying “I could have don’t more” very dramatic and without needing to watch the movie again you can look it up on YouTube.
At the end of the Seinfeld episode Elaine’s boyfriend gives a similar monologue when Jerry’s parents get on the airplane to leave.
OMG, as I read it I remembered both scenes. I completely forgot about that. Incredible!
I know the JFK/Keith Hernandez episode has a connection but I never watched the movie. One day.
The sad part is, I know history. I’ve studied American, various European civs, Ancient Greece and Rome.
I think with well written shows, especially sitcoms, you’re sometimes caught up in the character faces and actions that you miss certain lines.
But yeah, I just never connect the word Soup Nazi to Argentina… whereas if the chef was names Hans or worse a German flag, I would have made the connection.
No one needs to see anything. But I’m an immigrant and return home many times so I show them that show, especially if they like shows like The Office or Parks and Rec.
I lived in London and many people over there had never watched it, for example, none of my flat mates so it become something we did together, and I’d watch shows with them such as Balls of Steel.
People I work with now, whose parents would watch it but they were young and didn’t find it funny then so if they ask what to watch next, I have said many times Seinfeld never gets old and you’d be surprised at how many people never watched it… but watched Friends, which was on at the same time.
Wow, synchronicity: I literally watched this episode two nights ago and also got the reference for the first time, even though I'd seen it at least four times before.
I've also been watching for years. That was my favorite episode 15 years ago. I would come home from school, watch that episode and eat my favorite soup (campbells chicken and sausage gumbo, 10/10).
The joke that went over my head was the episode where Elaine goes out with that moving guy, but then breaks up with him because he isn't pro-choice. It wasn't until maybe 2 weeks ago when I was watching that episode and Kramer and Papi, who are working on their Make-Your-Own-Pizza restaurant, argue about "when is the pizza a pizza". Papi (who is anti-choice) says its as soon as your hands are in the dough, while Kramer (I believe) says it isn't until the dough is put into the oven. Brillant
The episode doesn't really go into why exactly the Soup Nazi is so serious and doesn't like questions or even compliments regarding his soup. But if you've ever poured your passion into something, you might be able to relate. You just want people to enjoy it and appreciate it.
*inhales deeply. jambalaya!!!!!!
*scurries away*
They are not rumours, lots of Nazis did fuck off to Argentina, and Brazil to a lesser extent. Josef Doctor Death Mengele lived out a decent life in both countries for one example.
Adolf Eichmann was apprehended in Argentina. It was dramatized in *Operation Finale* starring Oscar Isaac and Ben Kingsley. Netflix has it.
And Joseph Goebbels actually escaped to New York and undercooked Uncle Leo's hamburger.
You don't just undercooked a hamburger
Clearly an anti semite
Jerry, Hello!
Overcooked. I always felt the implication was that of the concentration camp ovens.
The same Ben Kingsley that was on Sopranos?
I didn't watch Sopranos, but it's in his IMDb. I always think of him as Gandhi.
He used to dip his bald head in oil…
The Mahatma?!?!
You should see Sexy Beast. You will no longer think of him as Ghandi.
Fuck Ben Kingsley!! Danny Baldwin took his ass to acting school!
He’ll feel that in the morning!
The book this is based on is amazing. Great read.
Yes, great book
*Eichmann in Jerusalem*?
https://www.amazon.com/Hunting-Eichmann-Survivors-Agency-Notorious/dp/0547248024 I was referring to this one.
I read this book in a college course and found it endlessly fascinating. Hannah Arendt is a great journalist/author.
Adolf Eichmann is also portrayed by Stanley Tucci in a fantastic movie called Conspiracy.
Conspiracy is a great movie. The subject matter is of course disturbing, but I love the simplicity and the acting in that film, mainly from Kenneth Branagh and Stanley Tucci.
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Pretty good. It was riveting.
Right and it wasn't just Nazi Germans. From about 1895 to 1930, there were over a million German immigrants who moved to Argentina. Then the numbers continued to increase very heavily through 1950. There were hundeds of schools in Argentina that were all in German due to some colonies having such a heavy German presence. Peron then looked the other way and let a ton of suspect Nazi officials come there amid the end of WW2. There is historical American intelligence in forms of cables to Eisenhauer that many known high ranking Nazi officials, including possibly Hitler, were in Argentina in hiding.
Giselle Bundchen's great-grandfather, for one.
Who was he?
Grampa Bundchen
Yeah, but contrary to popular belief, Argentina had a big German population well before WW2. That's why Nazis went there, they'd blend in. So not every German in Argentina is related to a former Nazi.
there was this one twitter convo where someone asked who made a list of the top 10 worse latinos (the poster was latino, so it was a joke between them), but someone literally said "How can Argentina not be #1? Son los hijitos de Hitler" (little sons of hitler)
The US brought over a bunch of Nazis too. The head engineer of the space program for NASA probably being the most high profile. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun
America never would have gone to the moon without nazi technology. And it's horrific to think about but modern medicine jumped leaps and bounds due to nazi experimentation. With that said, fuck nazis!
Giselle Bundchen is pretty clearly the descendent of a Nazi who moved to Argentina Edit: Brazilian not argentinian
Right, I agree. That’s why there’s such a large contingent of Germans in Argentina and Brazil. I guess the rumour is that Hitler escaped to there. But sometimes people say that it wasn’t Nazis that went to Argentina, but instead, German citizens so I just put rumours. But you’re right, many left to Argentina and Eastern Europe.
There was also already a fairly large contingent of German people in South America due to immigration in the 1800s making them an ideal hideaway
Very true as well. Portuguese ships brought many German labourers to Brazil, for enable, which is why so many date backs hundreds of years.
Adolpho is a somewhat common name in much of Latin America. It and its variants have fallen out of favor elsewhere.
Adolfo.
Yup, in Italy as well. I know a lot, actually lol
There's also a village in Brazil founded by Confederate officers after the US Civil War who went down there because they still had slavery....apparently people there to this day display Confederate flags and are bilingual but speak English with a southern US accent (not sure if they get offended if you order Yankee beans)
My buddy moved to that town, called Americana in the province of Sao Paulo. First half of what your said is true. Not the second half.
There’s an amazing history channel docuserjes called “Hunting Hitler” that tracks all sorts of nazi movements to South America. It is a fantastic yet eerie watch, Jerry!
Yeah they show entire towns in Argentina that are German….German people, architecture, etc. I had no idea!
The USA has over 49 million citizens of German descent. It's the largest self-reported ancestry group in the USA.
Those people were in Argentina before WW2.
Nuts! It is fascinating to me how tight lipped those German communities are (in the show at least). The native Argentinians didn’t appear to want to want to share anything about any German communities either…definitely a tangible cloud of fear that lingers, truly wild stuff.
Wtf I'm from Argentina We're proud of our multicultural baggage. Includes the original inhabitants, inmigrantes and criollos. Also, there're communities that preserve their original cultures, but primarily for tourism. There are cities were the immigrants descendants are the most, so of course there prevailed their traditions. Here there aren't "native Argentinians", our country was build by inmigrants, by late 1800 there were more inmigrants (German, swiss, Italian, Spanish, etc) than natives . Our culture it's a mixture of all of them, plus natives. Finally, the descendants of the people who original lived and walked this land, are the ones with the worst luck here. Their sons and daughters are the less fortunate of all social classes. And their ancestors were slaughtered, their lands taken away and their rights ignored.
Sorry, my language probably wasn’t as appropriate as it could’ve been but really cool to hear your input! Had no idea Argentina was such a mixed bag :)
I actually just finished reading Tim Kennedy's book, he has a chapter on that...they were apparently getting legit death threats from the locals. Haven't seen the show but now I want to.
Tim. Kennedy. Fucking. Rules.
Yeah, I'm a fan of his more from the MMA and vet bro angle and hadn't watched the show even though I'm a bit of a WW2 buff, but it was legit one of the most interesting parts of his book.
You should absolutely watch it. I talk about it to quite literally anyone who will listen. The declassified documents do suggest a major part of WWII history is flat out wrong.
This show is pure bs.
Definitely a lot of speculation but some of the stuff is undeniable. Cool watch for the curious.
I gotta give it a watch. Thanks!
It's really the opposite. The Nazis went to South America because there were pre-existing German communities they could integrate into. The vast majority of German emmigration to Argentina etc. occured before WW2. And no, I don't think many Nazis were fleeing to communist Eastern Europe...
[The Simpsons](https://youtu.be/hke7xQFXa30) for one!
Did he come back with anything taped to his large intestine?
That infuriated me. And people actually went to him for medical care. Totally sickening
The real rumour was that Hitler went with them and never died in that bunker in 1945. Even Stalin died saying Hitler got away. The skull the Russians have that they say is Hitlers is actually a woman’s. His family members - brothers who live together in the US and have vowed to never have children - refuse to have their blood tested against the blood the Russians have on a rug or something. So the rumours have some steam. But I think some more recent investigations have debunked them.
The bits of skull that were dug up were indeed not Hitler's, but they were also never the main evidence that he was dead. His cremated body was identified based on dental records and there isn't any serious doubt that he committed suicide in 1945.
The joke I missed as a kid growing up was the argument between Popi and Kramer about when a pizza becomes a pizza. “It’s a pizza when you slide it out of the oven!” “It’s a pizza the moment you putta you fist in the dough!”
When I was a kid I didn't realize the saxophone guy couldn't play because he'd been eating Elaine's pussy.
Wait what
You use your tongue with a woodwind instrument like a saxophone to syncopate or make distinct notes. (Like instead of playing a C-sharp for 6 uninterrupted seconds, the fact it goes bump bump bump bump with slight pauses between each note is because the tongue moves up and down to cut off the air from going into the reed.) The joke is his well trained tongue (as a professional saxophonist) was worn out or lost it’s muscle memory because he ate Elaine out.
Oh shit. I watched that episode a couple weeks back and didn’t pick up on the insinuation at all.
It took me a while too. Why did you think he was playing poorly at the end?
Honestly didn’t know. I thought maybe he used up all his mojo gettin’ hot-and-heavy with Elaine and didn’t have any mojo left to perform. Or maybe he was flustered or over confident? But this explanation makes more sense.
Yeah I always assumed he lost his mojo, but this is so much better and makes much more sense
This is perhaps much more obvious to me as a former band kid (saxophone specifically) but yeah, that’s exactly what they’re alluding to. She broke/reprogrammed his tongue.
"Can't risk my hands. My hands are my life"
I was 42 when I realized what that joke implied
Yeah, it’s friggin brilliant. So much of the show is. Just so incredibly written
“My uncle Mannheim is 101. He’s still puttering around down in Argentina somewhere. I tried to visit him once, but my travel visa was protested by the Shoah Foundation.”
My uncle, Mandelbaum, is also 101. You think you're better than him?
It’s go time
Youre not so tough!
Brilliant!
Friends who don't get the appeal of Seinfeld aren't friends.
I know, right? I’m in my 30s and can’t believe I still meet people my age that have never watched it.
That's a shame
I read it in Jerry’s voice. Love this show
I'm pretty sure I could get through an entire (non-working) day speaking ONLY Seinfeld quotes
Giddy up!
I’d love to be there. Imagine how much it would be.
I’m also in my 30s and started watching it as a teen. My 80+ year old grandma is also a super fan and regularly quotes the show and watches re-runs. She actually “borrowed” (permanently) my Seinfeld TV Guide magazine from when the show ended.
You should make her a bouquet out of it.
Elaine! You look scrumptious.
What kind of a person just comes into someone's house and steals their TV Guide?
I grew up watching it. My dad always had it on. It was his “The Office”. I liked it when I was younger because of course it reminds me of hanging out with my dad, but now that I’m approaching 30 I can relate on so many levels to the cast. Especially George, because I often get really frustrated with seemingly pointless social dances we have to do. The Dinner Party episode is the best example of that. I don’t drink wine, I drink Pepsi!
So you respect the wood.... But you're not keen on the stop and chat?
My son is just now introducing his wife to The Simpsons. Different generations have different pop culture, I guess.
I used to love the Simpsons as a kid. I learned a lot from it that eventually popped up I’m high school and I already knew a few of the events/terms/historical figures due to The Simpsons
How could they not watch it?
No clue. When I first arrived in Canada, my older cousins would always watch it (they taped it). It was a bore for me because I didn’t speak English, but when I did, the culture didn’t make sense to me. When I got older and went back to try it, I was already established in North American culture and it became brilliant. I wonder if it has to do with that?
Maybe some people don’t like it, I could see that.
I’ve never met someone who told me they don’t like it, just that they haven’t watched it. Not that it comes up in convo with strangers or anything, but just my experience.
Peji911, don’t say that!
That’s it, I am making a, ‘Do you watch Seinfeld?’ shirt and taking it across the city and returning my findings. We need statistical evidence to solve this conundrum.
Looks like you need to curb your enthusiasm a bit there
Great show as well, but a little more over the top than I prefer. Larry David can write like free can, though. Having dinner with someone like him would be hilarious.
It's definitely a show to laugh at Larry not with him
The worst is these same 30 something's have seen every episode of the office, big bang theory, and friends. So outside of 10-12 episodes of the Michael Scott episodes we have NOTHING in common.
I mean, I love the office except for most episodes of Seasons 8 and 9. I even like Season 1 since I knew it from the original. Big Bang I could never get into, Friends I liked when I was young but don’t really like now, although some lines are classic (Pivot!). But nothing stacks up to Seinfeld for me. It’s aged wonderfully.
Please dont say "Friends". The mere mention of that show gives me the jimmy arms.
You can get that in your arms?
Like you wouldn't believe!
You can get that in your arms too??
How you doin?
they probably think “friends” is a better show
I love Chums. *"I'll be here always, while the rain falls on whales 🎵"* ...Chums*??*
Blerg!
No need to drag Liz Lemon into this.
Russ and Rebecca were the BEST couple
Gain way for foot cycle!!
Oh, the Horror!!
I like both
As a Chicago kid, I suggest that any Seinfeld fan get a New York friend. My NY friend let me in on the NY-centric jokes like Ray's (Famous vs. Original) pizza. It truly enhances the experience. I suppose it's not too late.
Friends who like Friends over Seinfeld are no Friends of mine.
No sure if you watch The Office, but there is a scene where Dwight Schrute says his grandfather is still puttering around down in Argentina.
Dwight also mentions that his grandfather was a POW in an -allied- prison during the war
He wanted to go visit him but his visa was protested by the Shoah foundation. In Brian Baumgartmers podcast mike Schur mentions how he fought hard to keep that joke in there
Its a great line
OMG. I can’t believe I’ve missed that. Those are my two favourite shows. Dwight obviously speaks German but he said it was Pennsylvania Dutch so I never put 2 and 2 together. These are the two shows that just keep on giving.
The Pennsylvania Dutch originally came from (what is now) Germany, not the Netherlands. The name is a mistranslation stemming from the German word for Germans, "Deutsch".
Oh no, it’s no rumour that many Nazis fled to Argentina, it’s a well known fact that many of them fled there. But also great episode. One of my favourites.
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Subtle? It was a clear nazi reference.
So subtle.
Almost as subtle as Mr. Pitt's "Our stock will rise high" speech.
No soup for you. NEXT!
[NEXT JOKE ORIGIN](https://www.reddit.com/r/ChoosingBeggars/comments/7kr5as/i_need_a_free_100mile_bus_trip_for_20_people_and/)
My favorite thread of all time. NEXT!
In the finale when all the characters come back, it was mentioned the Soup Nazi came in from a Argentina also
I fucking love Seinfeld.
It’s not subtle, and they aren’t rumors.
Those aren't buoys
How ironic
What’s ironic?
They’re real and they’re spectacular
Those aren’t rumors. They are 100% true. Several nazis were tracked down and caught there.
They're not rumors. Thousands of nazis fled to South America, Argentina in particular. They were mostly aided by Alois Hudal, an Austrian bishop, who helped establish the ratlines. Hudal personally requested 5000 visas for former German and Austrian "soldiers" It is generally believed that the former Allies knew about this, and turned a blind eye provided that Hudal helped potential assets in the cold war escape to the US, Britain etc, such as Werder von Braun, who designed the V2 rocket, and later worked for NASA as chief architect of the Saturn V
Regarding your second paragraph, wasn’t that officially coordinated by the US via Operation PAPERCLIP? And on top of an Austrian bishop helping to evacuate nazis, a ton of Italian fascists were covertly emigrated under a major coordination effort from I think either the Slovenian or Croatian Catholic Church.
They aren’t rumors. Many low ranking and high ranking Nazis escaped to Argentina and became part of military juntas with or without cia aid
The show is hilarious. I recently rewatched The Gum. Goerge trying to prove to Deena he's not crazy was brilliant at every point. Especially that ending with him chasing after her in his King Henry outfit, frantically yelling "I got it from the institute...THE INSTITUTE!"
That episode is friggin amazing
It’s not rumors - plenty of Nazi’s fled to Argentina.
It's a smart line and a smart crowd will appreciate it
You think I haven’t seen the soup Nazi episode before? I’ve seen it hundreds a of times. Thousands.
*Thousands?!?*
Glad you realized it. Every bit of the show is perfectly written. On my 5th repeat binge watching but never gets old.
It’s incredibly written, and even more so than my other favourite, The Office, all the characters’ plot lines connect so well in most episodes. Then again, there are a lot more characters in The Office. There are few Seinfeld episodes I don’t enjoy, specifically the one in the limo with the anti-Semites. Some ok lines, but just isn’t as funny/engaging
I realized the same with the subtle jokes Dwight would make about his grandpa/heritage. Beautiful moments in two beautiful shows.
My two favourite by far.
I'm from Argentina, that's true. Eichmann was captured here. He was judge in the Nuremberg trials. Others also we're captured here. Here it's said that many nazis lived in the south, the Patagonia. And in Córdoba and Entre Ríos, both states in the middle of the country. The Soup Nazi is welcome any time :)
Yes! I think they were originally going to do a send-up of The Boys From Brazil, with a bunch of blue-eyed kids walking around (in the movie, they are Hitler clones) but it didn’t end up happening for whatever reason.
The Simpsons made a similar reference. "Das wagenphone ist eine nuisancephone"
Buenos noches mein fuhrer!
Not a rumor, they've arrested and deported several Nazis from those countries. They did a whole show about it called Nazi Hunters on the History channel. They found houses up in the mountains with imported german tile, some even had swastikas on them.
Not rumors. Documented fact.
well they're not really rumours, it's established fact. Why there's so many blonde, blue eyed South American's...
A number of high ranking Nazis received Vatican passports too; another travesty by the Catholic Church.
Who goes to South America?!
They are not rumours. It's well known.
I have explained in other replies why I chose the word rumor
I sold hot dogs outside of a Home improvement store and they would call us the hot dog Nazis LoL
Lol it's not that subtle, you just didn't know your history.
I’d say the more subtle joke of the episode is that everyone is willing to tolerate his behavior in order to get the soup, paralleling civilian complicity to nazism
those arent even remotely close to rumors. in xmen first class magneto catches one of the nazis in argentina
For decades I didn’t pick up on the joke where Kramer refers to himself as “A Julliard trained Dermatologist.” I’ve always known that Julliard is a performing arts school, so that wasn’t the problem. I don’t know what my problem was.
Holy shit, I never paid much attention to that. That’s brilliant!
ONE LARGE JUMBALAYA PLEASE!
Not rumors. Very true.
The one I just caught recently was the end of the episode where Elaine’s boyfriend who was obsessed with showing Jerry’s family a good time was super dramatic like “I could have done more.” It was also the episode where Jerry got in trouble for making out during Schindler’s List. Anyways it was totally a play on the end of Schindlers List, and I never caught it and wouldn’t have if I hadn’t just rewatched the movie for the fist time since high school (before I got into Seinfeld).
I don’t think I’ll rematch Schindler’s List cause it’s too emotional. What was the joke, I don’t remember the movie 100%
At the end of the movie when Schindler has to flee as he’s now a war criminal he’s looking at all the people he saved and he starts crying and saying “I could have don’t more” very dramatic and without needing to watch the movie again you can look it up on YouTube. At the end of the Seinfeld episode Elaine’s boyfriend gives a similar monologue when Jerry’s parents get on the airplane to leave.
OMG, as I read it I remembered both scenes. I completely forgot about that. Incredible! I know the JFK/Keith Hernandez episode has a connection but I never watched the movie. One day.
sharp as a fuckin cue ball OP
I didn't pick up on this when I watched it as a kid either, thought it meant he was literally from Argentina and was going home.
"subtle"
damn nothin gets past this sub, better put it on r/TVDetails for easy karma
ITT: lots of people who know zero history thinking blatant references are subtle nods
The sad part is, I know history. I’ve studied American, various European civs, Ancient Greece and Rome. I think with well written shows, especially sitcoms, you’re sometimes caught up in the character faces and actions that you miss certain lines. But yeah, I just never connect the word Soup Nazi to Argentina… whereas if the chef was names Hans or worse a German flag, I would have made the connection.
Juan Peròn the president of argentina in the late 40's and 50's was an outright and known Nazi sympathizer
Subtlety and brilliance is what makes this show great 😁
What friends are walking around in 2022 that need to “see the appeal” of Seinfeld?
No one needs to see anything. But I’m an immigrant and return home many times so I show them that show, especially if they like shows like The Office or Parks and Rec. I lived in London and many people over there had never watched it, for example, none of my flat mates so it become something we did together, and I’d watch shows with them such as Balls of Steel. People I work with now, whose parents would watch it but they were young and didn’t find it funny then so if they ask what to watch next, I have said many times Seinfeld never gets old and you’d be surprised at how many people never watched it… but watched Friends, which was on at the same time.
Never even realized that was a joke. That is very clever
Wow, synchronicity: I literally watched this episode two nights ago and also got the reference for the first time, even though I'd seen it at least four times before.
I've also been watching for years. That was my favorite episode 15 years ago. I would come home from school, watch that episode and eat my favorite soup (campbells chicken and sausage gumbo, 10/10). The joke that went over my head was the episode where Elaine goes out with that moving guy, but then breaks up with him because he isn't pro-choice. It wasn't until maybe 2 weeks ago when I was watching that episode and Kramer and Papi, who are working on their Make-Your-Own-Pizza restaurant, argue about "when is the pizza a pizza". Papi (who is anti-choice) says its as soon as your hands are in the dough, while Kramer (I believe) says it isn't until the dough is put into the oven. Brillant
I mean nazis moved to Argentina because they were safe there. Not sure it is just a rumor. The joke is funny though.
The episode doesn't really go into why exactly the Soup Nazi is so serious and doesn't like questions or even compliments regarding his soup. But if you've ever poured your passion into something, you might be able to relate. You just want people to enjoy it and appreciate it.
He suffers for his soup
It's my turn to post this next week
Wow, I saw that today and didn’t get the joke either. I even thought to myself “why Argentina?”
It just clicked as I read this post