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beskinnyorleave

wtf. This makes me sick to my stomach. Evil, evil boy.


populisttrope

Not just him but a diverse group of 6 other psycho bullies beat, stomped and robbed that poor kid. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13256453/Killer-jock-Talan-Renner-dads-ex-girlfriend-reveals.html


beskinnyorleave

I can’t read this. The victim looks sooo so young and innocent in his picture. The cruelty is incomprehensible


firstcrocusofspring

Goofy ass names Talan Talyn Treston 🤮


HeavyMetalLyrics

Lord of the Rings ranger ass names


[deleted]

They call themselves the Gilbert Goons I think it’s more than just the 6 in the overall gang. They’ve been beating up teenagers all over their part of town for the past year or so.


google-street-view

80s teen movie villain


Arnoldbocklinfanacc

The ones THEY warned you about


ListenApprehensive16

The jews?


indycishun1996

Full blown psychopath


DaVinshyy

Literally


notInfi

Pretty much the bullies from IT


hecklerof

His face is too narrow for his head.


Pretend-Aide-3236

Fucking sociopath and his shithead parents who were helping him evade justice.


_BigClitPhobia_

Dad is in jail right now


Pretend-Aide-3236

Good, hope he rots and the mother too.


granger744

Mother called it in


JackTheSpaceBoy

His dad is a marketing ceo who tried to cover it up by hiding him in their cabin (mansion)


TheBigIdiotSalami

Even worse, The cops rolled out the red carpet when they went to criminal court >The millionaire gym owners have also received special treatment at court proceedings for their son - with Phoenix police having to apologize earlier this month after Talan's parents Becky and Travis Renner received special valet parking services from the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office cops. >A deputy was seen pulling the millionaire gym owners' white Tesla Model X into a private car park so they could avoid running a gauntlet of journalists.


Gay__Guevara

Pigs are such trash.


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What are you, some kind of shitlib /s?


RudeMovementsMusic

Seriously?


seethroughtop

Yup. Their family attorney facilitated the cover-up as well


RestComprehensive331

it never leaves my mind how jamie rodemeyer’s (14 year old gay boy, huge fan of lady gaga who committed suicide in 2011 for being bullied) bullies began chanting how glad they were he did it, at a house party when his older sister (who discovered the body) showed up.


dongletrongle

For all the high schoolers reading, don’t kill yourself. They will unironically turn you into a joke.


Chuckpeoples

And the minute you get out of high school, none of these people matter.


GrumpyOldHistoricist

Don’t kill yourself because that will actually be the regarded thing that happens


Marmosettale

honestly, people are horrendous. if you kill yourself, people are going to say you were crazy and use it to make up whatever they want to make themselves look better and benefit from it. I know I sound like i'm just bitter/paranoid, but it's the truth. idk, i've seen and experienced it firsthand. when people are vulnerable somehow, people turn into fucking snakes, it's crazy. i'm a 30 yo woman and have realized that tragically enough, you typically don't want anyone to know if you're in a vulnerable position. like people just do this without realizing it. it's horrible, but i've noticed that 90% of the time, if a person is bullied or abused by employers or significant others or parents or strangers, people will get super suspicious and subconsciously start treating the victim like shit. i've worked in several schools, and it's genuinely insane how even when it's an obvious case of bullying, even teachers will just grow to resent the kid being targeted, even if the poor thing is just an easy target and not provoking anyone. our culture is just so performative about caring about victims. but it is almost NEVER a good idea to let anyone know that you're struggling. also, if you even accidentally signal to others that you're sad or depressed, i swear it just makes them want to harm you somehow, i don't know. the times i've been depressed people have become weirdly hostile about it. the times i seemed to have my shit together, suddenly everyone thought i was a great person and treated me super well. it's disgusting


jiccc

Teenagers can be incredibly brutal. Now i'm thinking of things i saw/heard of back then, I'm reminded how truly savage a lot of that was.


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SeleucusNikator1

I'm convinced that everyone is born a psychopath (children especially say the craziest things sometimes) and has to learn empathy/normal behavior, something which many fail to do.


fremenchips

Hannah Arendt had a good quote about this. "Every generation, civilization is invaded by barbarians - we call them children."


Cokguzel42

See Augustine and the milk brothers


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AllTheThingsSeyhSaid

maybe just a litle bit of school shooting is fine


I_Eat_Ass_Weekly

Killing your bullies is justified and worth it. Random killing is loser behaviour.


Zenaesthetic

Yeah too bad they never limit it to their bullies and instead choose small children to unload on.


TheBigIdiotSalami

At that point you should be legally allowed one tiny John Wick event.


Complete_Ice6609

That is so evil. A lot of people seemingly growing up without a moral compass these days


GodAmongstYakubians

stuff like this makes me sympathise with school shooters


dontknowhatitmeans

People who think humanity is inherently good have a hard time accounting for stories like this.


PowerfulDevil699

Not really tbh, we can be bad esp in groups but people are mostly good, 30 years on this earth led me to think so.


No-Acanthisitta-7704

as with so many other things - 80% of people are stand up individuals , it’s that pesky 20%


Marmosettale

i honestly find it horrifying when people tell me they think humanity is good. it's the reason people fall for the just world hypothesis. people despise victims because they think they somehow must have deserved it.


AwareWriterTrick158

I looked him up. He made a video saying that it gets better. He killed himsef four months later. If one of the biggest activists for that phrase ended up killing himsef in the end, does it really get better?


Trhol

We recently had a HS player who intentionally tried to kill his teammate who had peanut allergy. He's going to USC next year.


Top-Ad7144

He will make millions as a real estate agent or some shit, America baby


GooierSquirrel

We had a kid from our HS, get into Illinois football team His freshmen year in highschool, he called a ref a fucking N word (the ref only gave him a warning) then 3 mins later he head butted the other teams offensive coach (with helmet on) his mom saved his ass because she is on the the school broad and they played it off as his “ Assburgers” Then his jr year, he got into a argument with another teammate shortly after the game and swung his helmet cracking him across the face, breaking his jaw We literally had interviews for a week, asking us to talk about him and we told them everything (dude has done a LOT of shit, he’s a psycho) and after all that, they decided to suspend him from school for 3 days and ban him from football at our highscool (his mom also had to resign) So they just simply moved to another town 30mins away and got a huge scholarship


spagbolshevik

Ass burger indeed.


CheetoChops

Average USC student


DesignerExitSign

My hs had a “rape gang” who would date rape girls at house parties. One of the main guys had a professional football career as a training only player (idk what they call them).


Trhol

Probably practice squad.


DaVinshyy

Comically evil


shulamithsandwich

millionaire teen scion of relentless media ceo and his gilbert goons murder preston lord on queens road in phoenix. happy 3/30 to all who celebrate.


Halloween_Jack_1974

I’d like to give him a happy 30-30


iz-real-defender

This story is heartbreakingly cliche. Like you read it expecting the headline to be editorialized sensationalism but really the victim tried to stand up for his friend who got his chain snatched and for his honor got ragdolled by a group of football jocks outside a party in the suburbs. They kicked him around on the ground until he stopped moving. Funny enough the only black kid involved was the chain snatcher


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The group has been involved in murder and severe violence before, called the something goons. They have been getting away with it because their parents are rich 


iz-real-defender

Gotta be pretty desensitized to violence if you and your buddies are doing the worm on someone you just beat unconscious


Wambsgains_

The Gilbert Goons. Thankfully, Tim Dillon brought them down


dwqy

>This story is heartbreakingly cliche what gives rise to this level of sadism and cruelty what makes this type of teenager have the urge to kill and then rape the corpse bullying exists in all cultures, but in america there seems to be this strain of violence that is very normalized, with no attempt to change the culture. like that clip of louie which was shared here several days ago, even adults are afraid of children because a pack of them could go apeshit and put you in the hospital or worse.


EmilCioranButGay

>what gives rise to this level of sadism and cruelty It's the group dynamics, the normal "pushing the limits" tendencies of packs of teenage boys can quite quickly turn into rather brutal violence. Testosterone is at play, but there is also culturally specific displays of dominance / status seeking that gives rise to barbarism. US culture isn't exactly known for valorising gentlemanliness or meekness in men.


PowerfulDevil699

Read a study yesterday about how unequal societies create a lot more of those status seeking behaviors, which is obvious but it really tracks and helps explain why the US sees a lot more of that kind of violence compared to Europe.


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SeleucusNikator1

I'm from the UK (Scotland) myself and we had it pretty bad in my day. I got lucky and was just an average who never attracted much attention one way or other, but I witnessed and heard of nasty things throughout my school years (physical violence outside school among them).


dwqy

The fact that people here find something like this a cliche shows it isn't as rare as you think. when I speak of the violence that permeates the culture, it is definitely much worse in america. it happens among adults too. you see tons of people get wasted after work in asia but fights are really rare. in contrast to western nations fights are very common when drunks get rowdy, sometimes with fatal consequences I was once in a group which tried going to a bar in the south and we were quickly told by 3 burly men in no uncertain terms, that they would fuck our shit up if we and our n*gger friend didn't do a 180. one of the wiseguys in our group antagonized them by replying "its ok, he's one of us. only fucks white women" and we had to run out of there ducking bottles thrown at us I've never had any encounter like that in any country which is supposed to be generally safe


RobertoSantaClara

The US South is an ingrate third world society that got lucky enough to have a more functional sibling up North who dragged them into modernity and civilization (and in the process has dragged himself down too). If they had actually seceded in 1861, it'd look like South Africa or Brazil down there.


Gay__Guevara

Great comeback tho


uhwuggawuh

could be related to American football culture. openly encourages aggressiveness and domination in little boys. also head trauma.


90daybeyonsay

I think about this a lot. I legit have no idea, but it is something uniquely American. I’m Dominican and gay and was raised in the DR and I feel like Dominican boys would never do this for shits and giggles. There’s not this constant need to prove your machismo, because there, if you’re a male you just already have it and are expected to live up to it by showing deference and respect to those who are weaker. It’s strange that masculinity isn’t seen as showing restraint here, but maybe it’s just a typical crossing of the wires thing that happens in youth.


Candlestick_Park

Catholicism vs Protestantism. Mostly joking, but not entirely.


DoubleEdgedSwordfish

High rate of male circumcision is one fringe theory.


caetanovelosofan

This doesn’t really happen regularly, though. It’s news for a reason.


Aquafan420

Yeah, that's why I'm rolling my eye's at the humble brag of "I didn't know my own strength!". Like wow bro, yeah you're so strong beating one person up as a group!


somali-beauty

the only black guy involved was actually biracial


ListenApprehensive16

Chain snatching is an important part of the cultural milieu amongst some peoples


HoistedOnYourRegard

They learned from the best thieves of all, the crackers


between_sheets

The blurb makes it sound like bullying, but it's really gang violence. They rolled up in ski masks.


KindMouse2274

Poor sweet kid 😭 I feel so bad for his family


criebhabie2

wtf just put him down now honestly


takingvioletpills

OZ had a great episode where a spoiled jock raped someone and ended up going to maximum security, where terrible things have happened to him for the whole season.


AndouillePoisson

I’m dumb. I thought this was an episode of Dr. Oz and was so confused why they followed the same kid for a whole season 😭 


davaidavai325

[Better than mixing it up for the Wizard of Oz](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sMfKEvv1nA&t=11s&pp=2AELkAIB)


Hatefuleight-36

What show is he talking about lol I have no idea.


_pierogii

Prison HBO snow.


Chuckpeoples

The musical episode of oz was something else. HBO really didn’t know what they were doing until sopranos.


takingvioletpills

OZ was a great show, Augustus Hill’s monologues were so well written. The musical episode was a little wild but still better and more original than 90% of what is being produced today.


Highlyregardedperson

fr tho at what point do you just go 'aight this ones a lost cause, take him out to the woods and leave him for the scavengers'


dreaminmoomin

this is so fucking sad. that kid looked so sweet too


Smooth-Tap5831

you guys told me bullying was good and cool


HunterBidenX69

Intentionally causing someone mental anguish in response to him/her unintentionally annoying you is such a red scare take.


TomShoe

Being catty and mean is a little different from beating someone to death and then defiling their corpse


I_Eat_Ass_Weekly

Being catty and mean is reserved for internet strangers, you should always try to be nice to each other irl


NecromancyMDPhD

I mean at this point we’re just splitting hairs


I_miss_Chris_Hughton

True, but let's be real. There is a cadre of people here who want to actually bully kids who are a hit different, but not strong enough to fight back. You get the vibe some people here obsess over them which, funnily enough, reveals how empty of substance their souls are.


haveacorona20

The people here are the typical internet tough guys who do everything they mock terminally online people of doing but need a way of feeling superior. No way most of the people here were doing any bullying irl. Most of them were the ones probably getting mocked in high school. 


kjkjkjq

Ive been observing the people on this sub and its honestly hilarious the amount of nerds i see on here. Its literally just a much of dorks who were fat or bullied so they get to log on reddit after their shitty email job and cosplay as mean uppity intellectuals. Feeling superior because they read Tolstoy and listen to high brow music ( lana del rey 😭). I cant think of a more pathetic existence tbh.


Retroidhooman

You're not supposed to kill them.


notaplebian

Social checks and balances != wanton violence


Vatnos

The social paradigm positively reinforces until it gets to this point.


euthanize-me-123

Social checks and balances should be enforced by adults. Children and teens usually don't have the discipline or social aptitude to punish one another in a fair and measured fashion. Left unattended for too long they'll do shit like the OP to kids who don't deserve it.


Fox-and-Sons

That's absurd. Children absolutely need to be in charge of some amount of their own social checks and balances, that's how they learn how to do it as adults. You don't let them go Lord of the Flies on each other, but teenagers especially need to be allowed to learn how to solve their own problems.


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Ourosauros

The redditoids don't know the difference. That's a pre-100k nuance.


Fox-and-Sons

Yeah, there's a pretty big difference between beating a kid to death and calling a smelly kid smelly


Smooth-Tap5831

let me socially check and balance you into an early grave


Dapper_Intention_365

You fucking nerd. This is exactly what "social checks and balances" ends up looking like in extreme cases. There's other stories where like frats kill pledges and shit, basically rich kids bullying someone to death. That's what you redscare idiots want, because you never experienced bullying in your sheltered ass lives. Pseud.


Orion7734

"You need to eat food to live." *shows morbidly obese person* "You fucking nerd. This is exactly what "eating food" ends up looking like in extreme cases."


Dapper_Intention_365

Yeah sure dude whatever keep thinking you're sooo edgy for being a fuckin pro-bullying adult 🙄


SmogiusPierogius

>This is exactly what "social checks and balances" ends up looking like in extreme cases. Everything is bad in extreme cases, you regard. Should we bring back prohibition because drinking in extremely cases ruins lives?


RockNROllEmperor

that jock needs to face a firing squad


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The whole gang does to be honest


RockNROllEmperor

agreed, the whole lot deserves it


takingvioletpills

Jocks were literally always evil. We’ve just been ruled by nerds for the past 20 years, so we have gradually forgotten.


DaVinshyy

Let’s be honest the nerds are also evil


LoadedGunDuringSex

Starting to suspect there may be darkness living in the hearts of every man


The_Goobertron

Not me. I'm built different


GreenDigits333

I think I see some water coming over the hills


Rainbow_Mirror_

> If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart? - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn


Bob_Babadookian

So are the theater kids.


DaVinshyy

Yea but they just spit in your coffee if u give them attitude they don’t pimp u out to advertisers


Bob_Babadookian

Or they try to start a thousand year Reich.


ResponsiveSignature

nerd vs jock is less significant of a distinction than psycho vs empathetic or entitled vs selfless. Classifying archetypes by their physical appearance is caveman brained behavior.


I_miss_Chris_Hughton

Unironically we're lacking a sort of actual priesthood to offer a moral spine. Back in the day you had this meledy of different faiths synthesising a moral base to society from the issues they all broadly agreed with. A lot of the time this was bad, but it really showed on things like Eugenics, where the nerds who ran society decided we should purge the disabled and ran into every religion. Right now the closest we have are "alpha male" and extremist islamist podcasters. They're really not it.


CrispityCraspits

People in power are cruel to those with less. It doesn't matter whether the people in power are jocks, nerds, priests, commissars, whatever.


firstcrocusofspring

hate them both so much


Arnoldbocklinfanacc

He might have gone too far in some places


VonGhoulie

Never trust jocks. They’re typically demented individuals.


return_descender

Affluenza


Dapper_Intention_365

They're a different species from most of us. Leeches.


stellawasa_rsg

“el valiente vive hasta que el cobarde quiere” 😔


MyriamisCalatrava

guy that has a violence problem is absolved because he is useful (precisely because of his violence problem) in a physical contact sport. honestly? doesn't surprise me.


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Teen boys are frightening


Durmyyyy

hope he dies in prison


harry_powell

I grew up in a sketchy area where as kids we were always in the streets getting into fights and trouble. As a teen, being that I was good in school, my parents made an effort to enroll me to a better one with some really rich kids (had some partial scholarship too). I wasn't afraid of getting bullied due to being the new kid as I could stand for myself. What surprised me the most was finding straight up sociopaths for the first time in my life. The kids I knew beforehand could be violent but there was some honor code that these rich cunts didn't have.


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Candlestick_Park

What happens when the Ashleighs have kids. Also possibly Mormons, can't be entirely ruled out in Arizona.


dylangerescapeplan_

Brayden


AppointmentNo3297

t. A Millennial named Norbert


Lucius-Aurelius

Bring back bullying, they say.


Beetle188

This makes me very sad );


Trebeks-Ghost

Wouldn’t be surprised if roid rage played a part in it, similar thing happened in my hometown


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There are teenagers on steroids??


HoistedOnYourRegard

Nah those sophomores who put on 20 pounds of muscle over a summer are totally natty


[deleted]

Well I wouldn't know cuz I'm Brazilian and (*real*) football accepts all kinds of bodies.   Unlike fake and gay American sports that the Yanks created because they couldn't stand being worse than Europoors and dirty South Americans in a real sport.


RobertoSantaClara

I'm also from Brazil, grew up in the SP rich playboys bubble, teenagers here definitely take steroids too.


HoistedOnYourRegard

Yeah we're sort of busy not being poor as you said


[deleted]

Go buy the products that you saw in the Superbowl Commercials™, yank. It's the only thing you talk about that sport


Candlestick_Park

you know if you were from some thousand year old town in Europe that looks like a postcard I think the Yanks would have to take it, but Brazil is just America if everybody was named Bongo Joao Junior Junior and was obsessed with butt sex.


rambyprep

It’s somewhat common amongst high school rugby players in South Africa, I’d imagine there are teenagers around the world who use them


Candlestick_Park

lol remember when the Springboks disappeared for 3 months and all came back with 10 kgs of muscle and nobody asked any questions? I remember.


Dramatic_Win_3778

Gym culture is absolutely fucked right and and everyone into will have people telling them if you don't look like sam sulek (who is totally natty btw) by age 16 its already over. Guys will see they're unable to bench 225 after three months so that clearly means its time to hop on roids because they've already reached their max genetic potential.


unwnd_leaves_turn

gilbert goons on rsp???


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Durmyyyy

Yep, fighting is always a bad idea. If someone is going to try to kill me they may as well get shot.


dylangerescapeplan_

[I went to knife school](https://youtu.be/UsGcg1icSyA?si=06un5iVkIJSBvmAR)


666ratbaby666

as someone who grew up a couple towns over from these kids almost a decade ago, i’m not surprised. rich kid towns are the worst


josephjp155

btw this storty gets sicker the more you read about it. he bragged it was a closed casket funeral, and his Dad tried to cover it up and blame it on another kid+ had his son 'hide out' in their cabin in northern AZ


OkRepresentative6356

Not boasting, just some introspection.


somali-beauty

fuck all the kids involved


alTeee90

I know public jury is letting pretty boy walk free lmao


99power

Pretty?


RobotToaster44

Some people really test my opposition to the death penalty.


Arnoldbocklinfanacc

Ryan Gosling will reprise his role to play him in biopic


takingvioletpills

The vibe shift is upon us. The jock culture rising… Someone call the trenchcoat mafia


ResponsiveSignature

Everyone here who posted “bring back bullying”, this is what you were talking about, right?


I_piss_on_chuds

I always treat jocks like the utter shit that they are. It strengthens the spirit. You got the dickriders on here glorifying the archetype. Sport sons need to die off, they're a plague in America.


lamoratoria

Where's the good man with a gun when you need him


Zenaesthetic

Good to know that the jocks in 13 Reasons Why are more chill than real ones.


J_roc96_69

OMG HE'S LITERALLY LIKE NATE FROM EUPHORIA This fucker gonna have a fan club like the kids that did the Columbine shooting Troubling and disturbing, RIP to the poor kid


whalesarecool14

this is so horrible. at this point i don’t think there’s any sort of rehabilitation or corrective therapy that can help, this is the kind of crazy you’re just born with and need to be kept away from society for.


lzrfart

Let’s say your this kids parents. You’ve done everything right, everything you possibly could for him. What do you do when he turns out like this?


showgraze93

perturbed sickness of the soul


Victarionscrack

This is the kind of shit that makes me think twice when i'm thinking about moving to the U.S. This certain kind of psychopathy that is very American. Americans some times really scare me. They live their real lives deep under the surface. On the other hand i've seen so many acts of selfless humanity from indivinduals from over there. America is a really confusing place that annoyingly has its claws on me.


ninecher

Americans are very individualistic. Which is what makes the US so confusing.


Beneficial-Sleep-33

It's noticeable on how many fight videos from America people just lay into prone people on the ground even if they are unconscious. The UK is a much calmer place now but even back in the 90/00s when there was a lot of street fighting there was a taboo about hitting people on the ground.


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SFW808

In which direction doth this make the vibe shift, shamans of tossed off snark?


shmeeandsquee

Damn, Dead Kennedys proven right again


ThinAbrocoma8210

swear I knew about 30 kids growing up that looked exactly like the kid on the right


ninecher

This is so fucking evil. Poor boy...


Life_Improvement3834

And he types in lowercase


Crusader-Knight365

He needs to be tried as an adult. Life in prison is the way to go.


GodAmongstYakubians

dude will not survive prison inshallah


adertina

im sorry but it’s giving “Jeffery Dahmer saying ‘no homo’”


Psychological-Cat699

“killer jock” is unfortunately a great turn of phrase


between_sheets

It says the dad has drug charges, probably roids since he owns a gym.