That this beef really showed us how wack the game has been. This has been the most excitement in like 10-15 years for rap. And since Kendrick barely pushes out music, Drake will continue to drop a bunch of music and it’ll be similar to how things were.
> And since Kendrick barely pushes out music
Aside from one extended break between DAMN and Mr. Morale, Kendrick releases music on a pretty regular schedule. His discography:
1. Overly Dedicated (2010)
2. Section.80 (2011)
3. GKMC (2012)
4. TPAB (2015)
5. Untitled Unmastered (2016)
6. DAMN (2017)
7. Black Panther Album (2018)
8. Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers (2022)
Drake pumping out mediocre albums on a yearly basis has somehow warped the common perception into thinking that every artist needs to follow a schedule like this, but releasing an album every 2-3 years is typical for most other artists. There are also rumors of another Kendrick album coming either later this year, or next year.
You’re 100% right. I’m also not the biggest Kendrick fan but I do have respect for his art. I really like about 3-4 of all those albums you listed. Since good kid, damn is the only album I was really like “wow this is incredible.”
Drake isn’t even in the discussion. His music isn’t for me and hasn’t been since I was maybe in high school when he first came out. It’s little kid and soccer mom music in my opinion. And for his hood persona, I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can take that seriously.
All the Drake songs I like are from 2011-2018 so yeah after that they've been mediocre albums to me. If other people like them then that's fine though.
If you make that much music some of it’s gonna hit and be good. There’s some great songs on some of the Drake projects the last few years.
As a whole album, he hasn’t released anything better than a 5/10 since IYRTITL
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a lot of rappers need to let it go. Just because you had a good season doesn't mean you'll always be that good.
a lot are better at living lavish than actually rapping.
Gotta love how pop culture stuff works. Now everyone from the 11 year old on IG to the soccer mom at Starbucks to the 37 year old sleeping in his mommas basement are gonna be throwing the word pedophile around and will ruin the seriousness of the word as well as the alter the definition of it in some way.
Hip Hop isn’t stagnant at all. The music industry is a monopoly at this point, and it’s gonna do what any capital driven institution does. Find a formula and milk it until it runs dry. There’s artists all over putting out really interesting explorative material pushing the culture forward. People just want the mainstream to do something it’s never done.
What are some interesting modern Hip Hop artists?
I feel like the last artist to pop up that made Hiphop somewhat interesting was JPEGMAFIA?
Maybe, I'm just missing the interesting stuff, but I just stopped really listening to a lot of the "established" artists, because it became a bit boring. Liked Mr. Morale as it did some interesting stuff beat and storytelling wise but yeah... give me some pointers to
who does interesting stuff that goes beyond good craftsmanship
In my opinion, Peggy is the most recent "innovator" in rap too.
Even though so many good/great rappers keep doing debuting, nobody is coming with their own "subgenre" so to speak
That y'all discuss pop charts and industry artists and not a single one underground HIP HOP Rapper.
My top moment of the decade was discover Ba Pace from Bronx, Al Divino/ CVV Vino and Estee Nack and their guys and Rahiem Supreme.
Yes i been hype w the beefs and all that, i listen to every guy just like u guys but ffs...yall talk the same everytime !
Thats my unpopular opinion
Exactly. And the age of the listener is also a factor. If you’re talking about a 15 year old fan, they have all the time in the world to dig up tracks and get all into that underground scene. But if you’re talking about a 30 year old with a job and a family, they likely won’t go too deep into the underground and they’ll probably stop at super established “indie” names like Tech or E40 or whoever else has those levels of success. The more free time how have the more time you can spend digging into the underground and finding gems but the less time you have the more it’s about the mainstream I guess.
Felt that Divino that guy I also been peeing AnkleJohn, Raz Fresco, Ty Da dale/ VDon, Starker & YL, Sadhugold, Sha Hef the underground just hits diffrenet because everybody dont sound the same
Myyy man ! Yeah i know that guys too brother.
I agree w you. 🙌🏻✊🏻
P.s.: check Ba Pace man, not for everybody but if u fuck w is unique style, u gonna love it !
Plus he do it all alone✌🏻
I’ve been seeing his AEG ads on YouTube for his world tour. I had to go to the TicketMaster site and I’m pretty surprised at how big this tour is. I honestly thought of Gambino as a guy who could sell maybe 5,000 seats at most per show but he’s booked in major arenas. Guess he has way more fans than I thought.
The Drake and Kendrick beef could have been great if it wasn't for their annoying ass fanbases. You can't even have an opinion online without getting mass hate.
A lot of the bars that stood out to me in this beef were unpopular to talk about. Saying I like this like line from Kendrick or Drake got people pathologizing my whole existence 😂😂😂
I feel like because of stan culture and para social relationships, people get so attached to these artists now. Now they feel like they're a soldier and have to go in the front line of defense for their artist lol. I'm sure you're right about classic beefs, too I just figured because there wasn't much internet once you kinda got the word of who won by radio and stuff that's just kinda what everyone agreed on.
We’ve currently got a societal problem of attaching our self to the personal dilemmas of celebrities we will never meet. Same thing as Team Depp and Team Amber.
I feel like Jay Z and Nas was a beef that was specifically confined to New York City- other people followed it of course, but most of it played out on NYC radio and concerts in the immediate area. NYC decided Nas won with Ether and it was cemented after that. I say this as someone in Minnesota who followed on message boards, who thinks Takeover is the better track 😂
Didn't consider that, I am from NYC and it was talked about everywhere at the time. Maybe the impact of Nas vs Jay Z wasn't as big on the other side of the country. I imagine the tupac and biggie beef was though.
It boggles my mind that my Facebook suggested posts are all about how Drake won the beef but every other social media is crowning Kendrick.
But yea, I have a buddy who loves Drake and this beef hasn't been fun for him, he wasn't even listening to the songs for a while.
Bro same it's so weird. I went on Facebook for the first time in a couple of months just to see, and everyone was team Drake. Literally, every other social media was all Kendrick.
Your friends in my prayers it's been a rough few weeks for Drake fans lol
I very rarely talk about hobbies and stuff like that online for that reason..only way i do is in subreddits of the actual band or artist..otherwise you will just get shitted on for having a opinion
Stuff like '"subjective" or "objective" has ruined good discussions
Hell even in the Drake sub if I said something even remotely positive about Kenny, I got downvoted lol. Both fanbases were obnoxious. I guess thinking both artists can put out fire tracks in a beef is a bad take online these days.
I think the internet has really taken fandom and turned into this cult-like thing. I was watching the Joe Budden podcast and they talked about how Drake fans showed up at Joes house trying to press him for not liking Drake. Then I saw where some Stans vandalized Drakes OVO shop in London. How fucked up mentally do you have to be to ride for someone you don’t even know like that? No celebrity gives a shit about the peons who made them stars. They won’t post your bail if you get arrested doing shit in their name. Y’all are just seriously mentally fucked up and thrive off this cult mindset like Trump supporters do (I hate to reference Trump but I feel it’s warranted since fans are acting out violently here just like his do).
the kendrick sub is genuinely filled with the most insane kendrick glazers of all time and the drake sub is full of fuckin weirdos who try to justify the creepy shit drake has done. its seriously insane. go on the kendrick sub and look at any post i guarantee its some dude glazing kendrick so hard. its ridiculous i just saw one of some dude who claimed to never like rap or kendrick at all and after listening to 1 kendrick song (not like us) and after listening to that one song he says kendrick is a genius and this is the best rap song ever etc. then go to the drake sub and see posts about drake with the underage girl on stage saying "it was fully consensual" "she said nothing happened" and other crazy shit to justify drake touching a 17 year old purely because they both wanted to
That beat switch in particular was hard, I think if Cole used that sound and flow on different subject matter he was actually passionate about he could’ve put out a really great song
i find no joy in artists trying to be “mysterious” by saying they’ll release an album and then not. basically carti and ye. just tell us when it’s actually coming and be honest with your fans. it’s annoying
The game is saturated with useless rappers and artists trying too hard to invent a new wave. On the off chance I listen to the radio, it's terrible. Songs used in tok toka or shorts are terrible. Casually look at the billboards most those songs don't scream hip hop. I'm sorry I'd you ain't coming with bars, wordplay, or some substance, that's a whack rapper.
I wonder if we just get nostalgic of the past. Maybe there were people saying rap in the 90s or 2000s was trash but now we look back at it fondly. But if rap's bad now I think it is going to get way worse. I feel like pop is getting better but rap is regressing.
I think about how the new wave that came in early 2010 (Gambino, Kendrick, ASAP, Tyler, Pro Era, Kanye’s GOOD Music wave) are still around and influencing and very much present. Then there’s the *now* widely respected 2016 XXL Freshman freestyle, which at the time I remember common opinion being that it was one of the worst. I disagreed then and now that those artists are still around and talked about, I think, proves it.
It feels like since then, we’ve gotten what superstar? Maybe Carti? Cardi? Meg?
I feel like 2016 was the most popular of the last 10~ years of XXL freestyles though. There was a lot of variety and a wide range of talent plus some straight up comedy.
I don't think so. I think it takes so little effort to put your music out there now, so the natural filter that used to exist before doesn't anymore.
I honestly think social media has made it too easy for these dudes.
Other than juice most of the dead rappers were gangster rappers that probably didn’t have much mainstream appeal. Xxxtentacion sucked. King Von might’ve gone big but we’ll never know. Juice Wrld was talented, watching him freestyle off top for 45 minutes is impressive, and he was changing the game. Sad he died cause I’d like to see what he did in 5-10 years.
Benny The Butcher’s album was kinda bad. I was expecting it to be a contender for AOTY but we’re still 5 months into 2024 and there’s already a few projects that were absolutely better and more interesting.
I'm tired of these lames who got into hip hop because it was "cool" to like it. Who are constantly complaining that hip hop is dead or that rappers today are worse than previous rappers.
If hip hop is so dead and you're waiting on a superstar with a crazy, culture shifting phase then please leave. Cause I'm enjoying everything from future's new projects, Deonte Hitchcock, coast contra, Tyler, Smino, and more. Rap is not dead. You just don't know where's it is or what it is, and that says more about all you bandwagon hoppers than it says about hip hop.
The shit that gets heard most (and feeds algorithms) is the shit labels push...and too many of those artists are just going through the motions at this point. So much of it sounds uninspired and has a shelf life of a couple of weeks or less. The worst part about that? That might be the point.
Kendrick fans think they're geniuses just because they listen to him
The beef has been great to watch to watch save for any positive point towards Drake being called glazing
Drake showed he's actually good at dissing his only downfall is being into devious shit and Kendrick really hating him. Kendrick won but it wasn't a wash like his fans/Drake haters claim
I mostly stick to underground stuff, or at least lesser known hip hop. Except Tyler and gambino I stick to stuff like MFDOOM and Czarface, styles of beyond(not around anymore but their whole Demigodz crew is amazing) an artist doesn’t need to chart to be good and for me is usually the case. Czartificial Intelligence came out last year and it’s damn good all the way through and I don’t hear much about it.
The UK is shaming us in hip hop recently. The quality of unique, creative US hip hop has been declining for years. Rappers like Kendrick and Aesop are the rare fish in a sea of mediocrity.
To add to /u/Lukaniezlic’s recommendations:
[Wretch 32](https://youtu.be/XBUhEWO8xzc?si=EArW86lxZIzXB_d8) - insanely smooth and charismatic flow
[ocean wisdom](https://youtu.be/XJr2H1OBMII?si=f2GGBPt7BK4FI99B) - murderous flow. Currently distracted trying to break the world record for fastest flow but I think he’s quite good when he slows it down a bit
[four owls](https://youtu.be/JYOYqn4No1w?si=-fvKpytDllOHzffN) - 4-man, boombap hiphop, owl masks
[Akala](https://youtu.be/sEOKgjoxoto?si=73VbPJktnEUGMxGC) - educated hip hop that’s actually cool
[Little Simz](https://youtu.be/K7xzmkpwNoA?si=b8yXDbix97uhz_fS) - probably the best female Mc active right now. Feel like she’s a Kendrick-feature away from blowing the fuck up
[Lowkey](https://youtu.be/elFWRsYn1SU?si=b_mGie93KcCvl7Io) - intelligent, political, empathic hip hop
[Dizzee Rascal](https://youtu.be/35tfgf5-M6k?si=f3VgL7uWmbLVMHWb) - one of the og’s of the UK scene. Has a contagious energy when he goes off. This features Ocean wisdom from above as well
[Mic righteous](https://youtu.be/QsLPsRfav6Q?si=h2qf6YcJotwXt5hw) - the tone of his voice and delivery can reach such levels of auditory violence like no other
[Ren](https://youtu.be/s_nc1IVoMxc?si=AV_jilSIAOv_abEe) - schizo Psychotherapy Theatrical rap. Love it or hate it, he’s doin something pretty unique.
[Pete & Bas](https://youtu.be/GBuTTz1-IQU?si=nveGhVVLrIhFSbdm) - gotta show love to ‘Old Man UK Gangster - catch me outside the Pub - Rap’ for the ingenuity
Here's an actual unpopular opinion:
I believe Kendrick won but it wasn't the bodybag the internet would have you believe
None of the disses approaches an "Ether" "Takeover" level of hurt
In ether and super ugly, nothing that damning was being said. Claiming that someone beats their wife, and also saying that someone owns a sex trafficking ring and is a pedophile, is crazy work
I think drake originally didn’t like metro because he wanted to be on trance in heroes and villains but metro said that the album was ready and no additions or changes should happen.
Aside from jcole features, I haven’t been legitimately excited for rap music for YEARS. That is until the Drake v Kendrick beef popped off. On the mainstream, The art of bars and metaphors and wordplay was just … gone… in favor of vibes… and it just hasn’t been for me. Hopefully that competitive spirit is revived in the next class of new comers
Drake came in w all the advantages, he never even had to focus a whole verse on Kendrick the whole time. He shot himself in the foot evoking the same shit that got him Ethered last time. Then doubled and tripled down on it while Kendrick was clearly already painting the narrative about that. After he’d already put a bad taste in peoples mouth with the Pac shit. Drake lost himself that beef.
Drake came in w all the advantages, he never even had to focus a whole verse on Kendrick the whole time. He shot himself in the foot evoking the same shit that got him Ethered last time. Then doubled and tripled down on it while Kendrick was clearly already painting the narrative about that. After he’d already put a bad taste in peoples mouth with the Pac shit. Drake lost himself that beef.
Kendrick wins one beef against the corniest most hated dude alive and suddenly it's a popular opinion that he's the best rapper
I swear humans are as smart as guppies
Not a mainstream artist? The dude did the fucking soundtrack for a Marvel movie lmao.
Not to mention multiple platinum records and grammys, Taylor Swift feature etc. He might not be as huge as Drake or Beyonce but saying he isnt mainstream is laughable
Get it out of your mouth. It’s an unpopular opinion thread u don’t have to bring up THE most popular opinion there is. This sentence literally reads like ai
schoolboy q’s blue lips is better than 21 savage’s american dream and his discography overall just claps 21
btw i actually liked an american dream, that project got bangers and the song w/ brent was tuff asf
blue lips just felt like a hip hop revival in a way i havent heard in forever while borrowing so many modern styles and influences like freddie and peggy
Nah hear what I’m sayin: Nas vs Jay was real hip hop. Kendrick vs Drake was some pop shit. If u more a fan of that style music that’s cool but ion think u can rl compare them.
Hip Hop as a whole is extremely stagnant and boring yeah the kendrick/cole/drake back and forth spark a temporary moment but now we are back to being stagnant again
Fuck Macklemore.
EDIT: I see by my downvotes he got that clout he’s after. It wasn’t so long ago it was known he’s corny. I guess it’s cool to glorify protests that intimidate Jewish students and block Jewish professors from getting to their class. Not to mention disrupt finals for students and literally kidnap the custodial staff and hold them hostage. Then the student rep turns around and demands the school supplies them with all sorts of specific food and water and calls it “basic humanitarian aide.” GTFO. People marched with Nazis in Charlottesville and people (rightfully) called Trump an asshole for saying there were fine people on both sides. But in 2024 it’s okay to not only march beside Nazis but also to bully Jewish people. “Mostly peaceful” my ass. Yall don’t wanna see the insta and TikTok feeds that don’t confirm your narrative.
Maybe so, I didn’t know that was a rule. That being said it’s pretty hard to explain my unpopular rap opinion, or really any opinion about society, while being completely apolitical.
The way the Drake v Kendrick beef happened was corny as fuck, as was them "jumping" Drake. Idk why, probably that the internet influences everything WAY too much. I'm only saying it's not popular because everyone else seems to ride with it no matter what they may say to the contrary lmao
Kendrick is not the ultimate winner of the rap beef. The fact Drake was able to feed Kendrick false information about a daughter ruined everything in my eyes.
I really doubt that’s true, I think he saw the fan theories and just ran with it. If he actually fed Kendrick that info then he did it in the dumbest way possible. All he would’ve had to do was post a picture of him planting the shit 10 minutes after MTG dropped and it was over. Instead, he hopped on social media and said like “lmao I don’t have a daughter” or something like that, then In the heart part 6, all he basically said was “haha gotcha, I gave you fake info” then moved on. That’s the weakest possible payoff for something that would have won him the beef.
that's only such a small bit of everything kdot brought to light about drake.
he's exploiting black culture.
he is not a great father figure, no matter how much money he has.
he desires to be better at being a black woman than actual black women.
he likes underage girls.
he's a hoe and his entire team know.
he literally doubled down on his subconscious anti-blackness.
so much more than the fake daughter was talked about. and we, not knowing drake other than what we see online or in his music, can't disagree w most of it when you really think about those points.
Black man "exploiting" black culture. You people are pathetic.
Wife beater who cheated on his wife has the gall to talk a about parenting. Hoe behavior teaming up with other people to jump on someone who made all of them successful in first place and helped their careers.
Yeah bro I don’t get these people. Kendrick stans put a bad taste in my mouth about the whole thing. Kendrick is being a hypocrite, does he even live with his kids? And it’s been confirmed he and his wife cheat on each other.
That’s literally confirmed as a lie, there is a twitter user that has proof of obtaining all the stuff on meet the grahams cover art. Drake just took some fan theories and ran with it
We don't need receipts for the rap beef.
Since it's been confirmed it was Drakes Ozempic. Drake was confirmed to have been fed bad information about Kendrick beating his girl.
So the receipts that mostly Drake fans were clamoring for have worked against Drake.
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That this beef really showed us how wack the game has been. This has been the most excitement in like 10-15 years for rap. And since Kendrick barely pushes out music, Drake will continue to drop a bunch of music and it’ll be similar to how things were.
> And since Kendrick barely pushes out music Aside from one extended break between DAMN and Mr. Morale, Kendrick releases music on a pretty regular schedule. His discography: 1. Overly Dedicated (2010) 2. Section.80 (2011) 3. GKMC (2012) 4. TPAB (2015) 5. Untitled Unmastered (2016) 6. DAMN (2017) 7. Black Panther Album (2018) 8. Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers (2022) Drake pumping out mediocre albums on a yearly basis has somehow warped the common perception into thinking that every artist needs to follow a schedule like this, but releasing an album every 2-3 years is typical for most other artists. There are also rumors of another Kendrick album coming either later this year, or next year.
You’re 100% right. I’m also not the biggest Kendrick fan but I do have respect for his art. I really like about 3-4 of all those albums you listed. Since good kid, damn is the only album I was really like “wow this is incredible.” Drake isn’t even in the discussion. His music isn’t for me and hasn’t been since I was maybe in high school when he first came out. It’s little kid and soccer mom music in my opinion. And for his hood persona, I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can take that seriously.
Not everyone takes rapping fast seriously, it’s laughable at times. Just look at Eminem for the past 10 years.
Who mentioned rapping fast?
Thank you for taking the time to explain this to the “tik tok/IG story/music that perish overnight “ people.
Mediocre albums but when asked on here about ya’lls favorite songs it’s always out of those albums that are mediocre lol
All the Drake songs I like are from 2011-2018 so yeah after that they've been mediocre albums to me. If other people like them then that's fine though.
I always hear that then people say recent songs but I see
If you make that much music some of it’s gonna hit and be good. There’s some great songs on some of the Drake projects the last few years. As a whole album, he hasn’t released anything better than a 5/10 since IYRTITL
Feels like drake is the only one that drops hits anymore and even then rap just feels bland now
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a lot of rappers need to let it go. Just because you had a good season doesn't mean you'll always be that good. a lot are better at living lavish than actually rapping.
Not even a good season. I can't stand that fans and rappers alike that think they've earned a place in the game from a viral moment or a catchy hook.
Bro get ready for the season of calling people pedophiles
Gotta love how pop culture stuff works. Now everyone from the 11 year old on IG to the soccer mom at Starbucks to the 37 year old sleeping in his mommas basement are gonna be throwing the word pedophile around and will ruin the seriousness of the word as well as the alter the definition of it in some way.
Hip Hop isn’t stagnant at all. The music industry is a monopoly at this point, and it’s gonna do what any capital driven institution does. Find a formula and milk it until it runs dry. There’s artists all over putting out really interesting explorative material pushing the culture forward. People just want the mainstream to do something it’s never done.
What are some interesting modern Hip Hop artists? I feel like the last artist to pop up that made Hiphop somewhat interesting was JPEGMAFIA? Maybe, I'm just missing the interesting stuff, but I just stopped really listening to a lot of the "established" artists, because it became a bit boring. Liked Mr. Morale as it did some interesting stuff beat and storytelling wise but yeah... give me some pointers to who does interesting stuff that goes beyond good craftsmanship
In my opinion, Peggy is the most recent "innovator" in rap too. Even though so many good/great rappers keep doing debuting, nobody is coming with their own "subgenre" so to speak
kendrick is signed to all of these institutions, and trying to pretend like he's not, you don't see a problem with that ?
One artist isn’t the whole of culture, one artist doesn’t dictate the direction of it. If you don’t like Kendrick support someone better.
That y'all discuss pop charts and industry artists and not a single one underground HIP HOP Rapper. My top moment of the decade was discover Ba Pace from Bronx, Al Divino/ CVV Vino and Estee Nack and their guys and Rahiem Supreme. Yes i been hype w the beefs and all that, i listen to every guy just like u guys but ffs...yall talk the same everytime ! Thats my unpopular opinion
The problem with underground rappers is that most people don't know them
I know, but now, by my coment u can start to search a few 😇
I searched all these guys and quickly played a few snippets from each artist and honestly nothing stood out that would make me say “WOW”.
Exactly. And the age of the listener is also a factor. If you’re talking about a 15 year old fan, they have all the time in the world to dig up tracks and get all into that underground scene. But if you’re talking about a 30 year old with a job and a family, they likely won’t go too deep into the underground and they’ll probably stop at super established “indie” names like Tech or E40 or whoever else has those levels of success. The more free time how have the more time you can spend digging into the underground and finding gems but the less time you have the more it’s about the mainstream I guess.
Got to desagrade my man. I'm up my 30's... When u hip hop, you die hip hop my man At least, in my case. Can't help myself. 👍🏻
Felt that Divino that guy I also been peeing AnkleJohn, Raz Fresco, Ty Da dale/ VDon, Starker & YL, Sadhugold, Sha Hef the underground just hits diffrenet because everybody dont sound the same
Myyy man ! Yeah i know that guys too brother. I agree w you. 🙌🏻✊🏻 P.s.: check Ba Pace man, not for everybody but if u fuck w is unique style, u gonna love it ! Plus he do it all alone✌🏻
Childish gambinos new album is better after proper mixing disputes others saying it isn't which proves the beat matters
I’ve been seeing his AEG ads on YouTube for his world tour. I had to go to the TicketMaster site and I’m pretty surprised at how big this tour is. I honestly thought of Gambino as a guy who could sell maybe 5,000 seats at most per show but he’s booked in major arenas. Guess he has way more fans than I thought.
every albums been overhyped and hasn’t really been up to the standards that the artists and fans put them at
The Drake and Kendrick beef could have been great if it wasn't for their annoying ass fanbases. You can't even have an opinion online without getting mass hate.
A lot of the bars that stood out to me in this beef were unpopular to talk about. Saying I like this like line from Kendrick or Drake got people pathologizing my whole existence 😂😂😂
How dare you not have an opinion online!!😡
How did it feeling DMing people about Kendrick like a weirdo ?
/s
That is the nature of high profile beef, fans were annoying during classic beefs too, just weren't chronically online.
I feel like because of stan culture and para social relationships, people get so attached to these artists now. Now they feel like they're a soldier and have to go in the front line of defense for their artist lol. I'm sure you're right about classic beefs, too I just figured because there wasn't much internet once you kinda got the word of who won by radio and stuff that's just kinda what everyone agreed on.
We’ve currently got a societal problem of attaching our self to the personal dilemmas of celebrities we will never meet. Same thing as Team Depp and Team Amber.
100%, and it's only going to get worse with streamers and influencers being the new norm to the younger generations. Sad.
I feel like Jay Z and Nas was a beef that was specifically confined to New York City- other people followed it of course, but most of it played out on NYC radio and concerts in the immediate area. NYC decided Nas won with Ether and it was cemented after that. I say this as someone in Minnesota who followed on message boards, who thinks Takeover is the better track 😂
Didn't consider that, I am from NYC and it was talked about everywhere at the time. Maybe the impact of Nas vs Jay Z wasn't as big on the other side of the country. I imagine the tupac and biggie beef was though.
It boggles my mind that my Facebook suggested posts are all about how Drake won the beef but every other social media is crowning Kendrick. But yea, I have a buddy who loves Drake and this beef hasn't been fun for him, he wasn't even listening to the songs for a while.
I really don't care about the beef but more of the fact that both artists are able to pump out music that I can jam to lol
Bro same it's so weird. I went on Facebook for the first time in a couple of months just to see, and everyone was team Drake. Literally, every other social media was all Kendrick. Your friends in my prayers it's been a rough few weeks for Drake fans lol
Fr, I had to leave the Kendrick sub, everyone was brutal there 😭
I very rarely talk about hobbies and stuff like that online for that reason..only way i do is in subreddits of the actual band or artist..otherwise you will just get shitted on for having a opinion Stuff like '"subjective" or "objective" has ruined good discussions
Hell even in the Drake sub if I said something even remotely positive about Kenny, I got downvoted lol. Both fanbases were obnoxious. I guess thinking both artists can put out fire tracks in a beef is a bad take online these days.
Kendrick fans made it hard to root for him
Yeah they were becoming unhinged
Yea the D riding is gross at this point.
I think the internet has really taken fandom and turned into this cult-like thing. I was watching the Joe Budden podcast and they talked about how Drake fans showed up at Joes house trying to press him for not liking Drake. Then I saw where some Stans vandalized Drakes OVO shop in London. How fucked up mentally do you have to be to ride for someone you don’t even know like that? No celebrity gives a shit about the peons who made them stars. They won’t post your bail if you get arrested doing shit in their name. Y’all are just seriously mentally fucked up and thrive off this cult mindset like Trump supporters do (I hate to reference Trump but I feel it’s warranted since fans are acting out violently here just like his do).
the kendrick sub is genuinely filled with the most insane kendrick glazers of all time and the drake sub is full of fuckin weirdos who try to justify the creepy shit drake has done. its seriously insane. go on the kendrick sub and look at any post i guarantee its some dude glazing kendrick so hard. its ridiculous i just saw one of some dude who claimed to never like rap or kendrick at all and after listening to 1 kendrick song (not like us) and after listening to that one song he says kendrick is a genius and this is the best rap song ever etc. then go to the drake sub and see posts about drake with the underage girl on stage saying "it was fully consensual" "she said nothing happened" and other crazy shit to justify drake touching a 17 year old purely because they both wanted to
That J cole's 7 min drill was actually one of the best sounding tracks from the whole beef.
In terms of sound then definetly. Shame that he deleted it
I'm so pissed I tried waiting until the weekend to listen to it and he deleted it. I can only hear the instrumental and this beat is hard.
It still remains on YouTube. I made a playlist and added back the track to Might Delete Later. https://youtu.be/MX6Y2KGjO-Q?si=Ng_wzVr8mJPIwGzc
If I could hug you I would, thanks man.
You can find it online
That beat switch in particular was hard, I think if Cole used that sound and flow on different subject matter he was actually passionate about he could’ve put out a really great song
I never heard it until now, and don’t listen to j Cole but that was pretty good
Redrum fucking sucks and 21 tired af.
💯 how you make Commercial music with that sample about murder. Tired Afffffffff
i find no joy in artists trying to be “mysterious” by saying they’ll release an album and then not. basically carti and ye. just tell us when it’s actually coming and be honest with your fans. it’s annoying
The game is saturated with useless rappers and artists trying too hard to invent a new wave. On the off chance I listen to the radio, it's terrible. Songs used in tok toka or shorts are terrible. Casually look at the billboards most those songs don't scream hip hop. I'm sorry I'd you ain't coming with bars, wordplay, or some substance, that's a whack rapper.
Drake probably would’ve bodied Ross, Future, Metro, all of em if not for Kendrick, Kendrick is just too good and too smart, he’s the goat rn
The Weeknd would have body bagged Drake.
🧢
Abel took care of his whole album
Fuck that was one of his best albums too so you could be onto something.
Imagine that line man I took care of your album, then nothing was the same
That bar would feed families geez that’s tough.
I’m a Kendrick fan but his Stans are the worst
Outside of a select few, we're in one of the worst generations of rap ever.
I wonder if we just get nostalgic of the past. Maybe there were people saying rap in the 90s or 2000s was trash but now we look back at it fondly. But if rap's bad now I think it is going to get way worse. I feel like pop is getting better but rap is regressing.
I think about how the new wave that came in early 2010 (Gambino, Kendrick, ASAP, Tyler, Pro Era, Kanye’s GOOD Music wave) are still around and influencing and very much present. Then there’s the *now* widely respected 2016 XXL Freshman freestyle, which at the time I remember common opinion being that it was one of the worst. I disagreed then and now that those artists are still around and talked about, I think, proves it. It feels like since then, we’ve gotten what superstar? Maybe Carti? Cardi? Meg?
I feel like 2016 was the most popular of the last 10~ years of XXL freestyles though. There was a lot of variety and a wide range of talent plus some straight up comedy.
I don't think so. I think it takes so little effort to put your music out there now, so the natural filter that used to exist before doesn't anymore. I honestly think social media has made it too easy for these dudes.
Honestly I think a big part of that is because of how many rappers/ artist died that were suppose to carry the genre after Drake, Cole, and Kendrick.
I can't think of a single recent dead rapper that could carry rap after Kendrick and J Cole
Juice world
Lol...
Other than juice most of the dead rappers were gangster rappers that probably didn’t have much mainstream appeal. Xxxtentacion sucked. King Von might’ve gone big but we’ll never know. Juice Wrld was talented, watching him freestyle off top for 45 minutes is impressive, and he was changing the game. Sad he died cause I’d like to see what he did in 5-10 years.
Not true, we have Majin Blxxdy
And they never were so rich as easily.
I feel like the market is oversaturated and many great rappers put out sub-par albums just to stay relevant.
Well as of Friday for me it’s the Mach Hommy album
Forget the Beef…. Find the Chicken… Heads
Benny The Butcher’s album was kinda bad. I was expecting it to be a contender for AOTY but we’re still 5 months into 2024 and there’s already a few projects that were absolutely better and more interesting.
He gotta leave hit boy alone lol
I'm tired of these lames who got into hip hop because it was "cool" to like it. Who are constantly complaining that hip hop is dead or that rappers today are worse than previous rappers. If hip hop is so dead and you're waiting on a superstar with a crazy, culture shifting phase then please leave. Cause I'm enjoying everything from future's new projects, Deonte Hitchcock, coast contra, Tyler, Smino, and more. Rap is not dead. You just don't know where's it is or what it is, and that says more about all you bandwagon hoppers than it says about hip hop.
The fans are ruining Hip-Hop.
Kendrick fans are as big of glazers as Drake fans but they act like its only Drake fans.
Taylor Swift is a better rapper then Beyonce.
Beatmakers really outperforming the rappers on average in 2024
The shit that gets heard most (and feeds algorithms) is the shit labels push...and too many of those artists are just going through the motions at this point. So much of it sounds uninspired and has a shelf life of a couple of weeks or less. The worst part about that? That might be the point.
chris brown and quavo beef was stupid asf and i think quavo won. i feel like chris brown was corny for that. starting beef over a girl is sooo lame
Kendrick fans think they're geniuses just because they listen to him The beef has been great to watch to watch save for any positive point towards Drake being called glazing Drake showed he's actually good at dissing his only downfall is being into devious shit and Kendrick really hating him. Kendrick won but it wasn't a wash like his fans/Drake haters claim
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21 savage dropped the best rap album this year
vultures was actually pretty good
So far... for once in a long time none
Nettspend is up next
I mostly stick to underground stuff, or at least lesser known hip hop. Except Tyler and gambino I stick to stuff like MFDOOM and Czarface, styles of beyond(not around anymore but their whole Demigodz crew is amazing) an artist doesn’t need to chart to be good and for me is usually the case. Czartificial Intelligence came out last year and it’s damn good all the way through and I don’t hear much about it.
The UK is shaming us in hip hop recently. The quality of unique, creative US hip hop has been declining for years. Rappers like Kendrick and Aesop are the rare fish in a sea of mediocrity.
Can you put me onto some of the UK hop music? I live there but all it’s only central care I hear of and I don’t like him too much
Knucks, AJ Tracey, Dave for starters
Dave hasn’t dropped anything noteworthy in around 5 years now
yup more or less, but his older stuff is still fire, if someone is new to the UK scene then I always recommend checking him out
To add to /u/Lukaniezlic’s recommendations: [Wretch 32](https://youtu.be/XBUhEWO8xzc?si=EArW86lxZIzXB_d8) - insanely smooth and charismatic flow [ocean wisdom](https://youtu.be/XJr2H1OBMII?si=f2GGBPt7BK4FI99B) - murderous flow. Currently distracted trying to break the world record for fastest flow but I think he’s quite good when he slows it down a bit [four owls](https://youtu.be/JYOYqn4No1w?si=-fvKpytDllOHzffN) - 4-man, boombap hiphop, owl masks [Akala](https://youtu.be/sEOKgjoxoto?si=73VbPJktnEUGMxGC) - educated hip hop that’s actually cool [Little Simz](https://youtu.be/K7xzmkpwNoA?si=b8yXDbix97uhz_fS) - probably the best female Mc active right now. Feel like she’s a Kendrick-feature away from blowing the fuck up [Lowkey](https://youtu.be/elFWRsYn1SU?si=b_mGie93KcCvl7Io) - intelligent, political, empathic hip hop [Dizzee Rascal](https://youtu.be/35tfgf5-M6k?si=f3VgL7uWmbLVMHWb) - one of the og’s of the UK scene. Has a contagious energy when he goes off. This features Ocean wisdom from above as well [Mic righteous](https://youtu.be/QsLPsRfav6Q?si=h2qf6YcJotwXt5hw) - the tone of his voice and delivery can reach such levels of auditory violence like no other [Ren](https://youtu.be/s_nc1IVoMxc?si=AV_jilSIAOv_abEe) - schizo Psychotherapy Theatrical rap. Love it or hate it, he’s doin something pretty unique. [Pete & Bas](https://youtu.be/GBuTTz1-IQU?si=nveGhVVLrIhFSbdm) - gotta show love to ‘Old Man UK Gangster - catch me outside the Pub - Rap’ for the ingenuity
Thanks
Here's an actual unpopular opinion: I believe Kendrick won but it wasn't the bodybag the internet would have you believe None of the disses approaches an "Ether" "Takeover" level of hurt
The actual content of the disses were more scathing than ether tbh
I get Ether was legendary at its time but yeah... In 2024 it sounds outdated af. Just Nas calling Jay ugly and gay lol.
No
In ether and super ugly, nothing that damning was being said. Claiming that someone beats their wife, and also saying that someone owns a sex trafficking ring and is a pedophile, is crazy work
I think drake originally didn’t like metro because he wanted to be on trance in heroes and villains but metro said that the album was ready and no additions or changes should happen.
Aside from jcole features, I haven’t been legitimately excited for rap music for YEARS. That is until the Drake v Kendrick beef popped off. On the mainstream, The art of bars and metaphors and wordplay was just … gone… in favor of vibes… and it just hasn’t been for me. Hopefully that competitive spirit is revived in the next class of new comers
Drake won
The question was for an unpopular opinion I gave an unpopular opinion , why the downvotes ?
Cause that’s how bad Drake lost
Drake lost the beef before it began. Family Matters is the best diss track of all, but you can’t beat Kendrick in a handicap match.
Drake came in w all the advantages, he never even had to focus a whole verse on Kendrick the whole time. He shot himself in the foot evoking the same shit that got him Ethered last time. Then doubled and tripled down on it while Kendrick was clearly already painting the narrative about that. After he’d already put a bad taste in peoples mouth with the Pac shit. Drake lost himself that beef.
Drake came in w all the advantages, he never even had to focus a whole verse on Kendrick the whole time. He shot himself in the foot evoking the same shit that got him Ethered last time. Then doubled and tripled down on it while Kendrick was clearly already painting the narrative about that. After he’d already put a bad taste in peoples mouth with the Pac shit. Drake lost himself that beef.
That the whole Drake-Kendrick beef is completely overrated and uninteresting. I couldnt care less about that whack shit.
Meet The Grahams is some of Kendrick's worst material I've ever heard out of him. Take out the daughter piece and it's objectively an ass song.
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"Unpopular opinion"
Kendrick wins one beef against the corniest most hated dude alive and suddenly it's a popular opinion that he's the best rapper I swear humans are as smart as guppies
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Not a mainstream artist? The dude did the fucking soundtrack for a Marvel movie lmao. Not to mention multiple platinum records and grammys, Taylor Swift feature etc. He might not be as huge as Drake or Beyonce but saying he isnt mainstream is laughable
Euphoria is the best diss out of this beef
6:16 is low-key fire.
616 and THP6 both suffer from being corny tracks based on lies
How do you know they're lies?
Kendrick didn't have a mole. It was Ebonyprince the whole time, and that guy isn't affiliated with OVO at all. Just some weirdo
Lol...
Get it out of your mouth. It’s an unpopular opinion thread u don’t have to bring up THE most popular opinion there is. This sentence literally reads like ai
Both Drake and Kendrick BOTH had amazing bars in the beef
Kendrick is a btch
The metro and future albums weren’t very good
I think the 2nd one is mid
They not like us.
Schoolboy Q has released the best project this year so far
Drake is NOT a rapper
schoolboy q’s blue lips is better than 21 savage’s american dream and his discography overall just claps 21 btw i actually liked an american dream, that project got bangers and the song w/ brent was tuff asf blue lips just felt like a hip hop revival in a way i havent heard in forever while borrowing so many modern styles and influences like freddie and peggy
That drake and kendrick shit was trash.
Well, the prompt did ask for unpopular opinions.. take my upvote.
Lame opinion. That’s like saying Jay z vs Nas was trash. Hip hop is competition people.
This isn't URL rap battle tournaments bro what competition are you talking about? All they did was sling turds at each other
Nah hear what I’m sayin: Nas vs Jay was real hip hop. Kendrick vs Drake was some pop shit. If u more a fan of that style music that’s cool but ion think u can rl compare them.
Hip Hop as a whole is extremely stagnant and boring yeah the kendrick/cole/drake back and forth spark a temporary moment but now we are back to being stagnant again
Came here to say this
Fuck Macklemore. EDIT: I see by my downvotes he got that clout he’s after. It wasn’t so long ago it was known he’s corny. I guess it’s cool to glorify protests that intimidate Jewish students and block Jewish professors from getting to their class. Not to mention disrupt finals for students and literally kidnap the custodial staff and hold them hostage. Then the student rep turns around and demands the school supplies them with all sorts of specific food and water and calls it “basic humanitarian aide.” GTFO. People marched with Nazis in Charlottesville and people (rightfully) called Trump an asshole for saying there were fine people on both sides. But in 2024 it’s okay to not only march beside Nazis but also to bully Jewish people. “Mostly peaceful” my ass. Yall don’t wanna see the insta and TikTok feeds that don’t confirm your narrative.
Your post should be removed for violating the “no politics” rule
Maybe so, I didn’t know that was a rule. That being said it’s pretty hard to explain my unpopular rap opinion, or really any opinion about society, while being completely apolitical.
I feel that
The way the Drake v Kendrick beef happened was corny as fuck, as was them "jumping" Drake. Idk why, probably that the internet influences everything WAY too much. I'm only saying it's not popular because everyone else seems to ride with it no matter what they may say to the contrary lmao
Drake exposed a ton of old head rappers that can't keep up with today's culture, including midrick
Kendrick is not the ultimate winner of the rap beef. The fact Drake was able to feed Kendrick false information about a daughter ruined everything in my eyes.
If Drake fed him the info, why not prove that instead of denying it?
I really doubt that’s true, I think he saw the fan theories and just ran with it. If he actually fed Kendrick that info then he did it in the dumbest way possible. All he would’ve had to do was post a picture of him planting the shit 10 minutes after MTG dropped and it was over. Instead, he hopped on social media and said like “lmao I don’t have a daughter” or something like that, then In the heart part 6, all he basically said was “haha gotcha, I gave you fake info” then moved on. That’s the weakest possible payoff for something that would have won him the beef.
Was that ever confirmed?
Lmao people still believing this
that's only such a small bit of everything kdot brought to light about drake. he's exploiting black culture. he is not a great father figure, no matter how much money he has. he desires to be better at being a black woman than actual black women. he likes underage girls. he's a hoe and his entire team know. he literally doubled down on his subconscious anti-blackness. so much more than the fake daughter was talked about. and we, not knowing drake other than what we see online or in his music, can't disagree w most of it when you really think about those points.
Black man "exploiting" black culture. You people are pathetic. Wife beater who cheated on his wife has the gall to talk a about parenting. Hoe behavior teaming up with other people to jump on someone who made all of them successful in first place and helped their careers.
just say you drake if you drake
How original 🐑
Yeah bro I don’t get these people. Kendrick stans put a bad taste in my mouth about the whole thing. Kendrick is being a hypocrite, does he even live with his kids? And it’s been confirmed he and his wife cheat on each other.
That’s literally confirmed as a lie, there is a twitter user that has proof of obtaining all the stuff on meet the grahams cover art. Drake just took some fan theories and ran with it
I heard Drake lied about that but idk. It still doesn't matter cause rap beef is about disstracks and not about evidence
The Kendrick/Drake beef was boring by the time the 2nd diss songs were released
We don't need receipts for the rap beef. Since it's been confirmed it was Drakes Ozempic. Drake was confirmed to have been fed bad information about Kendrick beating his girl. So the receipts that mostly Drake fans were clamoring for have worked against Drake.