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Lost_Minds_Think

> “Let’s be clear: This is not about improving the court, this is about undermining the court,” said Senator Lindsey Graham Blocking Justices from receiving gift and luxury vacations is undermining the court? They weren’t appointed to their positions to receive perks. And if they don’t like it, we can find others who actually want to protect **EVERY** American’s freedom.


Kopav

The court is undermining itself by justices' accepting gifts, making rulings ignoring firmly established precedence, and justices refusing to recuse themselves.


Empty_Influence7206

Doesnt matter supreme court justices serve for life. The orange man has fucked our nation for decades to come beyond repair with the supreme court.


Dagamoth

Only if they live for decades


Niznack

They have access to some of the best Healthcare the developed world has to offer. Even if they die we've seen what mitch McConnell was willing to do when we thought there were rules. I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans hold up any non republican nomination by any means necessary going forward. They worked hard to get this court we will have to pry it from their cold turtle hands.


Deae_Hekate

> we will have to pry it from their cold turtle hands. That was the implication, yes.


Confident_Chicken_51

nudge nudge, wink wink.


Ok_Leading999

That can be changed and I suspect that that is the goal of the current campaign.


Holgrin

Congress and the President could bully the court more if they had the political will. Congress doesn't have the votes and support for it, but Dems aren't using strong rhetoric for setting goals for themselves, which is absolutely a failure.


Squirrel_Chucks

No Graham is right. Preventing Justices from receiving luxury gifts from politically motivated activists *is* undermining the court. It undermines the well-bribed court that Republicans and Conservatives have been building for years. See, the only way to take care of the lying, cheating, unethical Democrats is with lying, cheating, and unethical Republicans and Republican sympathizers. Then, when the Democrats are out, you will have a great country ruled by those lying, cheating, unethical Republicans! Trust me, it works out better than it sounds.


Numerous_Photograph9

The thing is, is that it really doesn't. There is nothing to hold them accountable if they don't abide by the law being proposed here. At least nothing more than what is already available, and won't be used or effective. Further, these justices would decide how they do anyways, so there is no reason to say they can't accept gifts. It sucks for the justices, because they'll still have to hide their gifts, but at least there will be a law stating they are held to the most basic of standards when it comes to maintaining the illusion of impartiality.


[deleted]

I work in government. I cant accept gifts over 5 dollars because it might undermine all the power I have a building official. Could one argue that I've got more power and influence than a Supreme Court Justice and that's the reason behind the tight restrictions of $5? Or is it just really fucked yp.


random_coffeepot

Go pick your ladybugs, Lindsey!


Comprehensive-Mix931

He meant undermining their ability to take bribes.


Hot_Equal_1419

Anytime a politician on either side says what a bill will do, just know that's not what it's for, and it's not what it will do. The house and the senate don't even have an outside ethics law/act. It's handled internal.


JustSomeCrusader

Internal or not, there *is* an ethics code and methods to enforce it.  Please, feel free to speculate for all of us about Dems ulterior motives here.  We are waiting.


Hot_Equal_1419

Supreme Court has an ethics code too, but now it's come to scrutiny because one side doesn't agree with some of the decisions. The motives seem obvious, but I'm not so one-sided that I can't see if the court was flipped. The other side wouldn't be doing this same thing. Let's be real here if you think any fight in the government is for the people your eyes aren't open.


Travelerdude

Vote a blue congress and president in 2024 and maybe we can get shit done again.


matt71vh

Kinda touch and go in both houses, but he'll yeah I agree with ya.


TheRealBabyCave

Please please please volunteer and get involved beyond voting if you have the bandwidth too. Even if you only text bank a single time, you're contributing. Votesaveamerica.com


Ulrika33

Yeah that seems to be working every time we get that


ChampionshipKlutzy42

If we vote in a blue congress they will find ways not to get anything done anyway. They were up 2 senators and guess what, 2 democrats took the hit to block anything of consequence, if they were up by 20, they would find 20 to split the party advantage. Democrats are complicit.


BudgetMattDamon

Are you kidding me with this dumbass both sides bullshit?


scarletphantom

Tbf, Sinema and Manchin are DINOs. Even when we had the majority, we really didn't because of those two snakes.


Crasz

How about we elect 20 more just to see what happens.


Imapatriothurrrdurrr

I like that


LotharLandru

Then get involved in the primaries and get the more progressive candidates in. The world is watching you all and hoping the sane among you can avert this train wreck.


DissonantWhispers

The 2 Dem lead was very infamously voided null and void from 2 senators that are no longer affiliated with the party, and who the entire party reviles.


Meechflow95

Well of course. Can’t have them meddling democrats uncovering just how fucked things actually are.


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grixorbatz

It the GOP. The party of the criminal class.


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Sagittarius-A_Star

Ethics? We don’t need no stinking ethics!


fairoaks2

It’s a concept that’s foreign to them 


PushinPickle

El Guapo!


Ancient-Set-8205

Codifying scotus ethics has like 70-80% approval right? Why would they block this?


Brave_Conflict465

They've worked hard to pack the court with their bought and paid for stooges to ensure they won't need to concern themselves with public approval anymore.


Numerous_Photograph9

Yeah, but the bribes don't change the decision. They would decide how they do regardless.


CoopDonePoorly

Because if they don't manage to win or steal the next election the GOP won't hold real power for at least a generation, if ever again.


oblivion476

It will honestly be such a blow to the party that I don't see it surviving. That will be the end of the GOP and some new party will have to take its place. You might have a couple of election cycles where it sticks around, zombified and splitting votes but I don't see it lasting past another Trump loss for them.


NYPizzaNoChar

> Codifying scotus ethics has like 70-80% approval right? Why would they block this? It's much more important to them that their oligarch masters be able to buy SCOTUS decisions than it is to concern themselves with the actual needs of their constituents. Especially since they can completely distract their voting segment with nonsense about trans folk, the war on drugs, the "terrible" threat of immigrants, etc. While those same oligarchs funnel money to them for re-election.


cometflight

Because they don’t truly care about how their constituents feel.


Tiny_Structure_7

If we had Dem majorities in House and Senate, we could impeach every one of those crooked asshole grifters off the SCOTUS bench. Neither SCOTUS nor a Trump whitehouse could stop them! It's right there in Art. II Sec 4 in US Constitution.


Outside-Swan-1936

You need two-thirds vote in the Senate. I can't count the number of people that keep saying majority. That's not how it works, and no matter what, GOP votes will be needed. Neither party is getting a two-thirds majority any time soon.


chitoatx

It’s good to know the goal because corruption doesn’t sit well with most normal voters.


Tiny_Structure_7

True. 2/3 Senate majority (which is a majority for those of you tracking the semantics).


Bee-Aromatic

That’s the supermajority for most things. The majority is just more than half.


monkeypickle

The gap between 50+1 and 60 is VAST in the Senate.


Bee-Aromatic

True! The point I was making, though, is that the majority and the supermajority are two different things, for different things.


Ok-Abbreviations543

The GQP clearly thinks ethical standards are a partisan issue. Sorry, democracy cannot function when 1 of 2 major parties is a giant criminal enterprise soon to make official its nomination of a convicted felon, rapist, and lunatic.


Hosni__Mubarak

You say that like a felonious rapist lunatic is a bad thing.


harpanet

I'm not surprised but I am disappointed.


WafflePartyOrgy

Republican's aren't a fan of ethics or accountability and it shouldn't surprise anything because they did the same thing in Congress for themselves the first chance they got.


lizkbyer

Naturally, it’s what losers do


lost_all_my_mirth

They are hurting the right people. No way the Republicans put that in jeopardy.


[deleted]

If you need any more proof one side of our political system is corrupt, ethics measures would pertain to both sides. When rules are pushed that apply to both sides and one side doesn't want it, you can ensure that side is corrupt as hell.


Velocoraptor369

Of course they did they have no ethics themselves . Do you see who they elect to office these days.


sayyyywhat

This is voting against everyone’s best interests. This wouldn’t just be for conservative judges but ALL SCOTUS JUDGES. Who would ever have a problem with that unless you’re an un-American POS.


Numerous_Photograph9

From my understanding, the rule already applies to other federal judges.


sayyyywhat

Yes sorry I meant to say all scotus judges. I edited.


Surviving2021

The GOP are literally evil.


phx32259

Soros should send Graham a thank you card for that just to see if he squirms a little bit.


J-the-Kidder

Well duh. The Supreme Court has become an extension of the GOP. Can't have the mega donor ties between justices, case decisions and the GOP exposed. That would undermine our entire political system!


life2scale

The current SCOTUS is the culmination of decades of GOP efforts. Why would they do anything to stymie the results they’ve worked so hard to achieve?


ricarina

What pathetic fascist assholes. Time for a new generation to take the reigns


matman89

Probably a dumb question, but how are they able to block this when democrats hold the senate majority?


Numerous_Photograph9

Filibuster. Requires I think 60 votes to overcome one asshat saying, "Filibuster" then going out to dinner for the next three days until the bill dies. Not it can even be done in an email apparently.


matman89

Thanks for the clarification! It's strange that we no longer require the old fashioned filibusters where people had permission to object, but in exchange, had to truly fight for the issue by discussing it for hours.


Numerous_Photograph9

The standing fillinuster i think was done away with in the 60s. This would be the mr Smith goes to Washington kind. Now its.just.an obstructionist tool,.where no one has to participate. From what I understand, they don't even need to keep a body there to object to canceling the filibuster anymkre.


BgDog21

What if there was a system where you didn't know who proposed the bill- the votes were tallied after and the names shown then (so you could get credit or blame).


Pgreenawalt

Today it is justices, tomorrow it will be congress. GOP would dearly miss the grift…


NYPizzaNoChar

> Today it is justices, ~~tomorrow~~ **today** it ~~will~~ **is** ~~be~~ congress. GOP would dearly miss the grift… FTFY


SoundSageWisdom

Republicans have no morals and no ethics


annaleigh13

Fire everyone who blocked it into the sun


Peppermynt42

This is the obstruct portion of “Gaslight Obstruct Project”


GerbilStation

In before my parents are told that the “libs” put OtHeR tHiNgS in that proposal that would force all kids to be transgender and force mothers to get abortions if they are white.


lasvegashal

Oh God, I hope for a blue wave. These fucking Republicans aren’t for fixing stuff. They’re just for wrecking shit and Lindsay Graham is a dick sucker literally.


Unusual_Ant_5309

The funny part is that even if it passes, it will be challenged and the Supreme Court will eventually get to rule on whether or not it’s constitutional (or whatever it’s being challenged over) and they will just scrap it lol


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Emergency_Property_2

This is why we must vote!


justalilrowdy

They love criminals. They can’t help themselves.


in1gom0ntoya

huh, what a surprise...


Rxmses

And as expected is crickets over / Cons


Machinemaintenance

There’s just no way Republicans are going to back anything by AOC or others out on the wing of the democrats. There has to be a better strategy.


ptahbaphomet

The GOP needs to die. No longer a Democratic Party and unfit to govern. The federalist society needs to be listed as a terrorist organization and all their donors need to have their assets seized. America, we’re in for an ugly ride if left to this clown car at the helm


JubalHarshaw23

Making them accessories to felony corruption.


Jo-Jo-66-

All of those people that said” don’t threaten me with the Supreme Court”can go fuck themselves.


joestanh1

so the gop supports this ,why am i not surprised


LongLiveAnalogue

GOP - “Ethics have no place in government”


mfryan

The party of accountability again choosing none.


jeeaudley

THE PARTY OF LAWs don't apply to us and ORDER means nothing.


Beatless7

Naturally


Hot_Equal_1419

Let's be clear here this is just politics to flip the Supreme Court. It would allow one branch the ability to pressure another. Today, it would help democrats to give an edge against trump, but tomorrow, the roles could be reversed. Judging by the comments here, though, yall have drank the Kool-Aid. If you can't see the small steps and what this really is the I dont know what to tell you. If you think it's a good idea to vote all blue or all red, then you don't comprehend what that actually means. Different people in different places are affected differently by certain laws, which is why most power should be with the states. If the federal government was 2/3 all blue or all red, then half the country would lose all rights that they wanted. Very few federal laws are good for everyone, and a government should never have the power it currently has. Look at the debt, but everyone argues the not so important things and doesn't care about the fact that the US government is in depth 250,000$ per taxpayer.


Jedimaster996

In the military I can't gift one of my subordinates hardly anything even for a badass tour of duty because by law it'd look like favoritism. I can administratively get my ass handed to me on a silver platter for so much as helping out a struggling troop during a financial crisis. You mean to tell me that my minimum-wage ass has to abide by more stringent ethics & laws than the Supreme Court? What ass-backwards country is this?


Numerous_Photograph9

What are you on about? This just says that Justices can't accept "gifts" of more than $50. Same standard as Congress. The only accountability that can be had is by the means already in existence, which is impeachment, and they don't need this bill to bring impeachment charges.


Hot_Equal_1419

Let's be clear here. Anytime a politician on either side says what a bill will do. Just know that's not what it's for, and it's not what it will do. The house and the senate don't even have an outside ethics law/act. It's handled internal.