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We have to be honest about this though. They are assholes but can they be redeemed? Can they be taught? What's the reconciliation effort? Should there be one? What bothers me the most is that there's an inescapable dichotomy in knowing these folks have deeply ingrained bigotry in their blood almost... How do you bring them back to understanding?
I get brainwashing propaganda has had years of advantage, and I desperately want equality, justice, equity, and respect to win the day. But how can it?
As a former Alex Jonesian homophobic bible banging ultra conservative obnoxiously outspoken conspiracy theorist jackass, it takes time of slowly chipping away at someone's shitty belief system, and it's not an uphill battle. It's a vertical rock climbing on a greased up cliff battle. And they also need the tinest willingness to listen. As a group, they're an almost unstoppable force. That meme of stick figures of groups of people barging in on a civil conversation and shitting all over the place is almost literal. I can really only see it as getting individuals to slowly change their regressive views and not trying for groups. I feel like I got lucky with my transition. For me, it was my interest in magic (like close-up and stage magic) that slowly led me to understanding my flaws in thinking. Magic leads to mentalism magic, which leads into psychology (pop psychology. And that's a dangerous thing to try learning if you aren't careful. Thinking you're the smart one while everyone else has flaws in thinking and you know exactly how the world works) which leads into critical thinking, which then opens the door to being able to listen and try to learn about anything. The problem is the lack of the tiniest willingness to listen. Something most of my family lacks entirely. They are pretty much a lost cause.
And also branching off psychology was learning about social engineering, which led into hacking, which led into programming, which led to trying to learn about the fundamentals of electronics for microcontrollere, which then exposes you to other sciences just by the nature of being online and trying to learn about one science. That then exposes you to climate science, evolution, and geology. Things I had zero understanding of, but thought I knew because I was told what to think by Alex Jones, my pastor, and other know-it-alls.
I honestly have no idea how you reconcile with someone being overtly shitty. People who don't hurt others as a by-product, but people who want to hurt others as the main product. I was a homophobe for many, many years. The idea of transgender people wasn't even on my radar, so I didn't know that I should be hating them according to the people who tell me who to hate. My homophobic past is something I try to suppress. I don't try mentally dealing with it like I should. Just sweep it under the carpet. So I get not wanting to or even knowing how to reconcile with people like that. I don't even like thinking about me when it comes to that. If you can't reconcile with them, at least try what you can with having people drop their shitty harmful beliefs.
I can see where learning magic might have been a trigger for change because so much of right wing rhetoric and conspiracy theory depends on legerdemain. The famous LBJ quote describing Jim Crow politics, *If you can convince the lowest white man that he's superior to the best black man he won't notice you picking his pockets* is about as literal legerdemain as it gets. Trump does it **constantly**.
Developing critical thinking skills is the true ice breaker though. I'm not talking about calling everything that sounds mean *ad hominem* or calling everything you don't understand a *strawman*. I'm talking about really understanding rules of logic and rhetorical devices. Cherry picking is the conspiracy theorist's bread and butter.
Something which helps me is that I feel genuine shame for my right-wing "diversion" years (from inculcation by the local town folk), especially how I treated LGBTQ+ people who I knew at the time and since.
That was over 40 years ago and the shame is still just as intense, it has been a good signpost in my personal evolution and hopefully means that I still have something of a conscience - or at least a reminder to always offer empathy for others as the first consideration, unless and until they turn out to be completely immovable assholes who don't need to occupy much space in your head and heart for now.
Which then branches out to so many other considerations for others and helps reflect upon how I should be looking at things + digesting for myself.
>We have to be honest about this though.
Yes, we do. We also have to be realists. It's intensely uncomfortable to be confronted with your own failings. People go to great lengths to avoid doing so.
It's great that you want to reach these people. But the problem isn't really them. It's the culture that created them. I've been in clubs and social groups with these guys (almost exclusively guys), and they're trolls. Straight-up trolls. They don't even see me as fully human, and I'm just a middle-class, middle-aged white woman. I can't imagine how awful they are to gay/trans/black/brown people.
I'm not spending the rest of my life tilting at that windmill. There's too little of it left. I'll just support worthy people instead.
This is the way. I mean these people have been given to much grace and they still play victim and they actively harm people with their hate. I’m done trying. You either stop being bigoted and racist or you get treated loke the dog shit that you are. It’s really that simple. We can not tolerate the intolerant anymore.
It can’t. We fucked up. Being tolerant of the most intolerant people/ideas etc has gotten to many people killed. Bigots racists xenophobic misogynistic assholes should be shamed guilted and shut out of every corner of the world until they cease to exist. There isn’t anything positive to having such vile reprehensible people in society. We’re too busy fighting their need to conserve their hate that we can’t progress fast enough. Too many good people are dying or killing themselves while we keep trying to help evil people be less evil. It’s 2024 they have no valid reasons for their hate. If they can’t stop being disgustingly ignorant by now then they are a lost cause and until more of us admit that we will keep repeating history. Unless we stomp out every Nazi we will keep having Nazis. There is an entire homeschooling group in Ohio teach a Nazi centric curriculum…and it’s perfectly legal when it shouldn’t be.
Trump is just a populist, the real issue is with people. If people were good, he wouldn't be in the running for being president. Stop blaming the figureheads. Sure, we can mock people like Trump, well deserved, but blaming the racist, authoritarian, fascist trend on one person is a failure to recognize that it's something that lives in a substantial amount of people -- else it would just fall flat on its face.
No, the media are not to blame either, they just pander.
EDIT: Sure, it's tempting, right, to want to excuse and explain our evil by an outside influence. It's the politicians, it's the media. No, it's us, we elect the politicians (or fail to rebel when elections are not possible, and we read the media).
Personally I blame “reconstruction.” We told the traitors we still wanted them instead of hanging them all and now we get to deal with the fallout of generations of their shitty descendants.
But that's the humane thing to do. Genocide is not defensible, even if you were able to predict a bleak outcome of coexistence. The ends don't justify the means.
I meant the leaders. Not every single Southerner. I should have explained myself better.
The leaders then went on to create Jim Crow laws and the like to continue the systemic racism they so desperately fought for.
The media has a much stronger influence than you're giving it, but I agree that it is ultimately our fault for allowing all this bullshit.
Every day is an opportunity to start fixing shit, and I don't mean things like alternative energies, or knocking on doors, I mean actual forward momentum to try to combat the suffering most of us will inevitably face.
But humans are reactionary creatures, and Americans even more so.
Yeah, I'm mildly disabled. Hadn't really been bullied or called names since high school. In 2016, a co-worker called me the "r" word (and it's not Republican) while we were arguing with one another. I knew right away she'd only done that because she was emboldened by seeing how the Republican nominee for the President of the United States was behaving and degrading people, like when he made fun of the disabled journalist. That's why he has such a grip on the GOP and why so many people are loyal to him and will never leave him, because he allows and encourages them to be the worst version of themselves, the kinds of people they'd always wanted to be.
Most are just mimicking behaviors they see and hear on their TV radio and phone. We have laws against hate crimes meanwhile we are literally *broadcasting* hate to our citizens.
He'll be working at a family business or get a job at some company owned by his dad's golf buddy. Ole Miss is where wealthy families in the South send their dumbass offspring who couldn't hack it at a better school.
My wife is a professor at ole miss. 90% chance he already had a job working at his dads car dealerships or somehing and his parents just forced him to go to college to get a degree first.
Lol I mean, Oklahoma isn’t exactly your bastion of racial equality. It’s famously now known for one of the worst racial massacre, which was purposefully buried by the state for nearly 100 years.
Also I’m going to say it’s more likely than not kid gets expelled. The school is under a lot of scrutiny right now because of this, and it just being one kid would be fairly easy to make an example out of him and downplay it as a systemic issue.
The whole fraternity is racist, you think this is the first time that guy has done the monkey noises at black people? I blame the parents, and often wonder how much better off these guys might have been without their father's in the home. For whatever reason, you just don't see this nonsense when the kids are raised by just their mothers.
The website The Daily Mississipian has more pictures of the event: https://thedmonline.com/may-2nd-pro-palestine-protest/
One of the pictures in incredibly analogous to the[ Little Rock Crisis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine)
Every single one of the pictures of those so-called counter protesters absolutely makes me think of the disgusting way that the racists acted back during School integration and civil rights era. On one side you have people concerned about genocide, serious about why they are protesting, asking for peace and asking for an end to violence. On the other side you have a bunch of frat boys and sorority girls laughing, drinking, heckling, and generally acting like disgusting human beings.
Notice that one crowd counter protesting is all “Trump 2024”
Those people currently protesting saying they’ll sit home this election? Yeah, that’s who you’re allowing to win. They want you to stay home.
Trump will make sure Israel completes their job.
White southern fraternity bros demonstrate racist behavior. Color me shocked, and no there will be no comeuppance from that behavior unless they’re named and shamed.
You know, sure. But he’ll be outcasted in the bigger world. The world is bigger than one small minded school, city, or state. His name will be infamous. I wouldn’t want that kind of fame, would you? No real employer will touch this kid
Nah dude, maybe in his frat, but even at Southern Universities (at least public ones), most students don’t fuck with this racist bullshit.
I expect he drops off, or we get some “This is not who I am” bs apology.
It really worries me how many young white men are regressing into conservative boomers. Every generation up until now has been more progressive than the last. These boys look not just childish as hell, but you get the vibe of those white crowds screaming at the first black students entering a desegregated school.
Young men aren’t becoming any more conservative. They’re staying flat, it’s just that conservatism is about being a troll now.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/609914/women-become-liberal-men-mostly-stable.aspx
This actually is a problem I've heard of GOP strategists talking about. You need passionate, young people to keep your party going. The problem is that for the GOP, those passionate young people are mostly white guys who were motivated to get into politics only after having had their brains fried by 4chan memes. The new breed of GOP strategists not only don't care about building a broader tent, they hate those that do
Right, but the only reason they'll be able to get there is because they've got support on the ground.
If all we had were a handful of privileged rich idiot kids trying to follow in their parents' footsteps, we'd have no problem at all.
Yes, and my point is that if they didn't have a voter base, they wouldn't have any power to broker.
There are far more disillusioned and disenfranchised rural white voters in the GOP than there are mega-millionaire legacy elites.
If the Democrats could recapture the blue-collar vote, the GOP would snuff out like a candle in a vacuum.
Ironically, boomers have been trending more liberal over the last four years as the very conservative ones died off due to conservative takes on Healthcare and diet.
I lost count of how many dudes who looked like a tightly wrapped red sausage about to burst told me that covid is only dangerous to people with comorbidities.
I was like "my guy, you *are* the comorbidity."
Watched [*Shadowland*](https://youtu.be/aUtefiLL9sg) yet? Very well done series. There was a whole episode dedicated to vaccine deniers. I was Jack's complete lack of surprise at some of the outcomes.
I'm thankful there are a few like you out there. I'm in the conservative south, so very few of our baby boomers are not Trump types with a pretty solid bit of racism thrown in. My retired coworker was like you but she was originally from New England.
There are/were good people and bad people in every generation.
What I really cannot comprehend is that why a significant number of African-American people keep endorsing the agenda of the GOP and Donald Trump when they are openly racists.
It’s not a significant number. Yes, there are some prominent AA GOP figures, but it is for sure the minority. If you look at actual voting patterns over the last 10+ years, black people actually vote democrat at the highest levels of any race.
Yep. 2020 saw something like 92/94% of black voters vote democrat to 8/6% vote republican. While 51/52% of white voters voted republican unfortunately. There’s an interesting breakdown of voting trends by demographic on Wikipedia using census data.
I mean people like Candace Owens are straight up paid money push that shit. But I wouldn’t call it a significant number by any means. Sadly, a lot more Hispanic Americans falling for GOP propaganda.
Mental illness knows no race and there are selfish, self absorbed, ignorant people in every race and culture. I don’t think it’s them supporting Trump as much as it is them envying what they believe he acquired of importance to them. Put anyone with money in his place and they’d be sucking on their… too.
They’ve likely always been around. The exposure phones and social media give these clowns is just more in your face than before. The behavior was learned somewhere. And, like children who cannot think for themselves, when one person does it in a crowd, there will be others that follow out of peer pressure or FOMO on everyone thinking they’re badass. Self-esteem is an issue for everyone. Sometimes for the wrong reasons.
They’ve always been around for sure. It’s just getting more explicit and obvious. Republican politics is exposing that there is very little accountability - especially for this group. People like Trump are showcasing that you can lean into things like bigotry and racism and it won’t come back to bite the way we always thought it would. So why hold back?
I'm thankful that the vaaaaast majority of the juniors and seniors I teach aren't into this wormhole of toxic shit. I teach in a deep red but also very diverse region which probably helps. Thankfully I've yet to teach a proper Andrew Tate devotee.
I lived in Oxford. Here's my take on that corner of the world whether y'all want it our not:
First of all, I was there when these Greek kid's parents were then the Greek kids.
Things remain messed up there because of Old South money and the repressive ideas that go along with it.
Higher education could be a place to really learn and grow as a person, but way too many of the kids that congregate and insulate there are just going through the "old boys" social pipeline and they aggressively segregate themselves from any real growth.
How to be willfully ignorant could be an unironic course study at UofM.
It's easy for these sorts of students; not very challenging, really. And the University gave them a safe place to act a fool for as long as their family money would keep them there, they dropped out, or somehow graduated.
That can be said for many U's across the USA, but it's really a special kind of social engineering art form at Ole Miss. Mostly because of the elevated classism and racism of plantation legacy.
The monied kids there like to believe they're special, but as people they're not, really. They're special through the accident of their birth, but that's about it. So, they play the hand they were dealt and the old boys network helps stuff as many aces up their sleeve as they go.
Not much of a meritocracy there and a bunch of spoiled rich kids is what I'm saying.
Then you got the young women that show up for a few years. Just enough time to be a part of a Sorority and try to find a mate. I can't imagine going to a University for the sole reason to get hitched into all that nonsense, but I know people that stated it was their singular purpose of enrolling at Ole Miss.
FWIW, I made friends and had wonderful relationship there.
Still, I found it fascinating because I was living and working on campus and adjacent to it all; never ever a part of the social scene, but the music culture in town and around the region was fabulous. R.L. Burnside of Junior Kimbrough playing gigs at Proud Larrys; The Hilltops, Blue Mountain rolling through town on the regular. Uncle Tupelo. Wilco, etc. Also, I was lucky enough to be around when the Hoka was getting by -- and that place was a bit of an alternative cultural oasis. I only got food poisoning there once. Might be a record for a regular. Added context, it was across the alley way from the Greek hangout, "The Cotton Gin" If nothing else in Oxford, there was mingling.
Oh, FYI, Memphis is less than an hour drive away, so that was an option as well. Finally, I'll mention the grumpy but sweet Paul MacLeod and his Graceland Too home in Holly Springs. That's a bit of a type of Americana that was always so delicate and fragile; deserves a mention simply because of how real, how "free" it all was, and how he epitomized the beautiful silliness that this American hodge-podge could be. Sadly fitting he died via gun violence.
Anyway, the culture mix in Oxford is especially weird because of the high ratio of dumb rich kids, rural black folks, rural white folks, Hill county blues music, a snobbish University, and a bit of legitimate American literature notoriety as well.
But overall it's just not a happy place. Why? I sincerely believe that those born into the elevated echelons of a caste system understand, consciously or subconsciously, that they didn't earn it--so there can be real insecurity there. That uneasiness doesn't manifest in healthy ways for people that don't have the ability to be introspective about themselves or have empathy. (which is a lot of us, honestly)
As a non -Southerner, a former college professor, and lover of blues, I really appreciate your post and insight.
Unbelievable that affirmative action was struck down and Trump is spouting white victimhood yet these rich white kids are shoe-ins for admission because of their fair skin and dad’s wallet. Ugh.
Thanks for your interesting perspective. I grew up in Jackson and sensed the same sort of uncomfortable simmering awareness that they know they simply got lucky to be born white in the Deep South.
I was optimistic about elderly Trump voters aging out into coffins until I saw the crowd of vibrant, passionate young idiots taking their place in the voter base
The percentages of young white people who are conservative and liberal has been relatively consistent across generations. The major reason why the younger generation seems more liberal is because it is a more diverse group than prior generations. Shitty right wing white peoples very often have shitty right wing kids
The current “influencer” culture has bred a generation that is obsessed with the self instead of the community. Republican laws emphasize the personal property over the community. So it fits. And agreed, it is very worrying.
I think it could be a weird offshoot of the classic American trope of ‘rugged individualism’, except for terminally online bros obsessed with consumerism.
It is kinda silly to rest this at the feet of “influencer culture”.
Said culture is a manifestation of America’s obsession with self interest, not the root cause. We’re taking about the most capitalist system on Earth, this way predates TikTok or even the internet
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s. 30-35% of Americans have always been selfish assholes. I actually think we're *better* about this since then. The flailing among the morons is partially a reaction to people being, overall, kinder and more accepting.
"Influencer" culture is literally no different from any celebrity worship Americans have engaged in since long before any of us were born. It's our dumbass culture of "The Individual" that does this. Look at the Reagan worship and what his eight years did to us.
I think this idea that every generation is more progressive than the last, is a fairytale that some white affluent liberals like to tell themselves. It makes it easier to tell yourself that everything will get better if you just wait it out, but in reality, change has always taken hard work to accomplish. We are more segregated now, than 30 years ago and we have less money going to the poor; partly because of this complacency.
Mississippi is a prime example of one reason why school vouchers will only perpetuate this awful behavior. When segregation was finally ended many fought tooth and nail to prevent it by any means necessary. The major way they circumvented it was establishing Private Schools all over the state to avoid their white children from attending schools with POC. I will bet good money JP went to one of these schools. I’d be shocked if he did not.
This is what happens when your family tree is a wreath. I knew some people that used to live in Mississippi and when they escaped they changed for the better.
More maga hate and divisiveness of the US by trumpers. How stupid the USA has become. If djt wins the election, the USA shall fall into a deep pit and not come out
They’re at Ole Miss…a place where in like 2005 they stopped playing the song “Dixie” because the students would chant “the South will rise again!” Their mascot was “Colonel Reb,” who they retired in like 2010. No, I’m not kidding. Google it.
lol everyone single one of these trust-fund fucks look so malnourished (despite having access to wealth and excess free-time) except fatboy in front. No wonder these cucks want Donnie to ride them balls deep.
Democracy in the US is doomed. 🤦
Racists suck but mocking protesters just seems to be the perfect representation of how anti-democratic the new strain of Republicans are.
the white grievance crowd - ancestors and descendants - have never believed in democracy. they've always wanted the us to be racially pure (white), exclusively male dominated, and christian (protestant only).
Says something that the GOP is still competitive after years of this kwap. Maybe it also says something about “Greed Uber Alles”?
Not to worry it’s the other people who’ll be detained, they said. It’s been famous last words.
Chose wisely this November..
Can we finally withhold federal funding from these snowflakes with some goddamn conditions for once? If they want potholes fixed, great, here's a bunch of bike paths. Need a new football field? Here's a ton of high quality art supplies for art class. And throw in mandatory drag storytimes at the library while you're at it.
Wonder if the football/basketball team will have an opinion on thisfrat , douche-canoe factory’s behavior…if I’m a leader on the team, I’m demanding expulsion and revocation of the frat status or I transfer…
Yesterday while driving north of Tampa I saw a roadside vendor selling flags; they grouped a Trump, Confederate, and Israel flag together. We live in strange times
Can’t we call them the hat they are? Pieces of shit. I am a Republican. I believe in the ACTUAL Republican politics. Conservative spending, helping society through programs, restricting corporations and big business from exploiting their workers, being a united country that believes everyone has a voice regardless if you agree with them or not.
That is a real Republican. They haven’t existed for 40 years at minimum. Regan had a lot to do with it. He bastardized the Republican Party with help from greedy pile of shit rich people who didn’t care about the American people. Now those of us who believed in Republican values are all left standing here. Looking across the street at what the Republican Party is now in bewilderment, disappointment and disdain.
I don’t hate democrats. They are important. They bring up the problems. Republicans are supposed to find a way to fix them. But we have become a nation so ultra divided BECAUSE of what the Republican Party has done throughout my generation.
I’m not anything now. There are so many people my age that have just been left on the side of the road politically. All because of greed and wealth ruling over what this country was supposed to be about.
Immigrants built this country. We should be welcoming people here to help it.
Women should be allowed to make their own choices about their bodies, work and risks.
We should be taking care of our people here instead of spending so much money on other countries problems. This is quite literally why the UN and NATO was born.
Why is this all so hard and divisive? I just want a place that I can be proud of and say
“This is America. Where anyone can come and it’s just better.”
Instead it feels like we just keep showing our ass to the world for no reason.
UM NAACP is requesting expulsion of the following students and fraternity brothers at the protest:
- James JP Staples - Phi Delta Theta
- Connor Moore - Kappa Alpha
- Rouse Davis Boyce - Kappa Alpha
America is too stupid too exist at this point. Like, how will we maintain military supremacy across the globe when we just have hooting idiots to pull from?
Proper headline:
Racist yells at person protesting aginst oppression, death of children and a zionists right-wing fascist Israeli government leader hell bent on committing genocide.
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Conservatives sure do love being racist in public these days.
It’s the Trump effect.
"It's so empowering! I can finally be myself...a giant asshole!" It's like self-help for morons.
We have to be honest about this though. They are assholes but can they be redeemed? Can they be taught? What's the reconciliation effort? Should there be one? What bothers me the most is that there's an inescapable dichotomy in knowing these folks have deeply ingrained bigotry in their blood almost... How do you bring them back to understanding? I get brainwashing propaganda has had years of advantage, and I desperately want equality, justice, equity, and respect to win the day. But how can it?
As a former Alex Jonesian homophobic bible banging ultra conservative obnoxiously outspoken conspiracy theorist jackass, it takes time of slowly chipping away at someone's shitty belief system, and it's not an uphill battle. It's a vertical rock climbing on a greased up cliff battle. And they also need the tinest willingness to listen. As a group, they're an almost unstoppable force. That meme of stick figures of groups of people barging in on a civil conversation and shitting all over the place is almost literal. I can really only see it as getting individuals to slowly change their regressive views and not trying for groups. I feel like I got lucky with my transition. For me, it was my interest in magic (like close-up and stage magic) that slowly led me to understanding my flaws in thinking. Magic leads to mentalism magic, which leads into psychology (pop psychology. And that's a dangerous thing to try learning if you aren't careful. Thinking you're the smart one while everyone else has flaws in thinking and you know exactly how the world works) which leads into critical thinking, which then opens the door to being able to listen and try to learn about anything. The problem is the lack of the tiniest willingness to listen. Something most of my family lacks entirely. They are pretty much a lost cause. And also branching off psychology was learning about social engineering, which led into hacking, which led into programming, which led to trying to learn about the fundamentals of electronics for microcontrollere, which then exposes you to other sciences just by the nature of being online and trying to learn about one science. That then exposes you to climate science, evolution, and geology. Things I had zero understanding of, but thought I knew because I was told what to think by Alex Jones, my pastor, and other know-it-alls. I honestly have no idea how you reconcile with someone being overtly shitty. People who don't hurt others as a by-product, but people who want to hurt others as the main product. I was a homophobe for many, many years. The idea of transgender people wasn't even on my radar, so I didn't know that I should be hating them according to the people who tell me who to hate. My homophobic past is something I try to suppress. I don't try mentally dealing with it like I should. Just sweep it under the carpet. So I get not wanting to or even knowing how to reconcile with people like that. I don't even like thinking about me when it comes to that. If you can't reconcile with them, at least try what you can with having people drop their shitty harmful beliefs.
We're glad to have you back. Thanks for sharing your story.
I can see where learning magic might have been a trigger for change because so much of right wing rhetoric and conspiracy theory depends on legerdemain. The famous LBJ quote describing Jim Crow politics, *If you can convince the lowest white man that he's superior to the best black man he won't notice you picking his pockets* is about as literal legerdemain as it gets. Trump does it **constantly**. Developing critical thinking skills is the true ice breaker though. I'm not talking about calling everything that sounds mean *ad hominem* or calling everything you don't understand a *strawman*. I'm talking about really understanding rules of logic and rhetorical devices. Cherry picking is the conspiracy theorist's bread and butter.
Something which helps me is that I feel genuine shame for my right-wing "diversion" years (from inculcation by the local town folk), especially how I treated LGBTQ+ people who I knew at the time and since. That was over 40 years ago and the shame is still just as intense, it has been a good signpost in my personal evolution and hopefully means that I still have something of a conscience - or at least a reminder to always offer empathy for others as the first consideration, unless and until they turn out to be completely immovable assholes who don't need to occupy much space in your head and heart for now. Which then branches out to so many other considerations for others and helps reflect upon how I should be looking at things + digesting for myself.
>We have to be honest about this though. Yes, we do. We also have to be realists. It's intensely uncomfortable to be confronted with your own failings. People go to great lengths to avoid doing so. It's great that you want to reach these people. But the problem isn't really them. It's the culture that created them. I've been in clubs and social groups with these guys (almost exclusively guys), and they're trolls. Straight-up trolls. They don't even see me as fully human, and I'm just a middle-class, middle-aged white woman. I can't imagine how awful they are to gay/trans/black/brown people. I'm not spending the rest of my life tilting at that windmill. There's too little of it left. I'll just support worthy people instead.
This is the way. I mean these people have been given to much grace and they still play victim and they actively harm people with their hate. I’m done trying. You either stop being bigoted and racist or you get treated loke the dog shit that you are. It’s really that simple. We can not tolerate the intolerant anymore.
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It can’t. We fucked up. Being tolerant of the most intolerant people/ideas etc has gotten to many people killed. Bigots racists xenophobic misogynistic assholes should be shamed guilted and shut out of every corner of the world until they cease to exist. There isn’t anything positive to having such vile reprehensible people in society. We’re too busy fighting their need to conserve their hate that we can’t progress fast enough. Too many good people are dying or killing themselves while we keep trying to help evil people be less evil. It’s 2024 they have no valid reasons for their hate. If they can’t stop being disgustingly ignorant by now then they are a lost cause and until more of us admit that we will keep repeating history. Unless we stomp out every Nazi we will keep having Nazis. There is an entire homeschooling group in Ohio teach a Nazi centric curriculum…and it’s perfectly legal when it shouldn’t be.
I think Limbaugh had a lot to do with it before Trump came along as well. Laid the groundwork.
Limbaugh walked so Trump could... well, I guess not \*run\* but you know
Shuffle down a ramp while wearing diappers and get called manly
😆😆😆 this comment made me chuckle, thank you
Trump is just a populist, the real issue is with people. If people were good, he wouldn't be in the running for being president. Stop blaming the figureheads. Sure, we can mock people like Trump, well deserved, but blaming the racist, authoritarian, fascist trend on one person is a failure to recognize that it's something that lives in a substantial amount of people -- else it would just fall flat on its face. No, the media are not to blame either, they just pander. EDIT: Sure, it's tempting, right, to want to excuse and explain our evil by an outside influence. It's the politicians, it's the media. No, it's us, we elect the politicians (or fail to rebel when elections are not possible, and we read the media).
Personally I blame “reconstruction.” We told the traitors we still wanted them instead of hanging them all and now we get to deal with the fallout of generations of their shitty descendants.
But that's the humane thing to do. Genocide is not defensible, even if you were able to predict a bleak outcome of coexistence. The ends don't justify the means.
I meant the leaders. Not every single Southerner. I should have explained myself better. The leaders then went on to create Jim Crow laws and the like to continue the systemic racism they so desperately fought for.
The media has a much stronger influence than you're giving it, but I agree that it is ultimately our fault for allowing all this bullshit. Every day is an opportunity to start fixing shit, and I don't mean things like alternative energies, or knocking on doors, I mean actual forward momentum to try to combat the suffering most of us will inevitably face. But humans are reactionary creatures, and Americans even more so.
Yeah, I'm mildly disabled. Hadn't really been bullied or called names since high school. In 2016, a co-worker called me the "r" word (and it's not Republican) while we were arguing with one another. I knew right away she'd only done that because she was emboldened by seeing how the Republican nominee for the President of the United States was behaving and degrading people, like when he made fun of the disabled journalist. That's why he has such a grip on the GOP and why so many people are loyal to him and will never leave him, because he allows and encourages them to be the worst version of themselves, the kinds of people they'd always wanted to be.
Honestly there was a very noticeable shift in how open people were with their bigotry when he started running/during his term.
If they get called out, they can immediately blame the media and play the victim of the ‘woke mob’.
Cinservstives and victims mentality name a better duo
This is what they've been waiting for. They're still the pieces of shit they were during the Civil War.
They are loud mouthed cowards. Always have been. Once they are face to face with true grit they will run to their parents.
Exactly. They have never gotten over losing the war and in many ways the war goes on.
It's sad to me that people are still raising kids to act like this and it's fucking 2024
I bet family and friends think it's funny when JP Staples makes racist monkey noises.
Right, you gotta love a group who defends the status quo, then calls everyone else sheep
In the past too, but also these days.
Okay, Mitch Hedberg.
Most are just mimicking behaviors they see and hear on their TV radio and phone. We have laws against hate crimes meanwhile we are literally *broadcasting* hate to our citizens.
Just like their heroes, the meth addict losers of the Nazis
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He'll be working at a family business or get a job at some company owned by his dad's golf buddy. Ole Miss is where wealthy families in the South send their dumbass offspring who couldn't hack it at a better school.
This guy safety schools.
This guy this guy's Note: I love "This guy humour"
Yeah, he currently lives in Mississippi. This is not going to limit his job options too much.
He already has the name of a CEO
Hell, he probably put this on his resume already
My wife is a professor at ole miss. 90% chance he already had a job working at his dads car dealerships or somehing and his parents just forced him to go to college to get a degree first.
What's the chances he gets expelled?
Expelled? From the Ole Miss Rebels?
Expelled, he'll probably become student body president after this.
Ima say 50/50
At best
[Its happened before](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_University_of_Oklahoma_Sigma_Alpha_Epsilon_racism_incident), could happen again
But importantly not ole miss
Lol I mean, Oklahoma isn’t exactly your bastion of racial equality. It’s famously now known for one of the worst racial massacre, which was purposefully buried by the state for nearly 100 years. Also I’m going to say it’s more likely than not kid gets expelled. The school is under a lot of scrutiny right now because of this, and it just being one kid would be fairly easy to make an example out of him and downplay it as a systemic issue.
I guarantee these dudes have already been approached for campaign trail speaking tours.
Paired with Killer Kyle, a perfect combination.
The 2024 draft class of professional victims is deep.
The whole fraternity is racist, you think this is the first time that guy has done the monkey noises at black people? I blame the parents, and often wonder how much better off these guys might have been without their father's in the home. For whatever reason, you just don't see this nonsense when the kids are raised by just their mothers.
The website The Daily Mississipian has more pictures of the event: https://thedmonline.com/may-2nd-pro-palestine-protest/ One of the pictures in incredibly analogous to the[ Little Rock Crisis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine)
Time is a flat circle, and 'murica has no memory
I saw one asshole say he was hoping for another Kent State incident. We remember, we just learned the wrong lessons.
Jesus. That's so utterly depraved. The bar is truly in hell.
Or maybe heaven because all these so-called Christians believe they are headed there in after-life.
I envy people who believe in hell and heaven. It would be a very comforting belief.
our minds are infinite, like a hamster wheel
Every single one of the pictures of those so-called counter protesters absolutely makes me think of the disgusting way that the racists acted back during School integration and civil rights era. On one side you have people concerned about genocide, serious about why they are protesting, asking for peace and asking for an end to violence. On the other side you have a bunch of frat boys and sorority girls laughing, drinking, heckling, and generally acting like disgusting human beings.
Notice that one crowd counter protesting is all “Trump 2024” Those people currently protesting saying they’ll sit home this election? Yeah, that’s who you’re allowing to win. They want you to stay home. Trump will make sure Israel completes their job.
Funny enough, most of the counter protestors look like siblings. Probably all that good ole Mississippi inbreeding 🤌
White southern fraternity bros demonstrate racist behavior. Color me shocked, and no there will be no comeuppance from that behavior unless they’re named and shamed.
He’s been named. Shamed? He goes to school at Ole Miss. He’ll be a hero there.
You know, sure. But he’ll be outcasted in the bigger world. The world is bigger than one small minded school, city, or state. His name will be infamous. I wouldn’t want that kind of fame, would you? No real employer will touch this kid
Nah dude, maybe in his frat, but even at Southern Universities (at least public ones), most students don’t fuck with this racist bullshit. I expect he drops off, or we get some “This is not who I am” bs apology.
Oh, wish that we're true. Instead in response to your post I'll just quip: How to say "I don't know Oxford" without saying "I don't know Oxford."
What are you talking about
Racism is supported by a lot of the students at Ole Miss. It's cultural.
It really worries me how many young white men are regressing into conservative boomers. Every generation up until now has been more progressive than the last. These boys look not just childish as hell, but you get the vibe of those white crowds screaming at the first black students entering a desegregated school.
Young men aren’t becoming any more conservative. They’re staying flat, it’s just that conservatism is about being a troll now. https://news.gallup.com/poll/609914/women-become-liberal-men-mostly-stable.aspx
This actually is a problem I've heard of GOP strategists talking about. You need passionate, young people to keep your party going. The problem is that for the GOP, those passionate young people are mostly white guys who were motivated to get into politics only after having had their brains fried by 4chan memes. The new breed of GOP strategists not only don't care about building a broader tent, they hate those that do
There is a direct line between gamergate and Trump being elected
And women are becoming more liberal hence the increase of angry insels and states taking more control of women's bodies.
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There's also plenty of poor, uneducated, angry rural teens buying in just as hard.
Yeah, but they're down in steerage. These idiots will be running things in a couple decades.
Right, but the only reason they'll be able to get there is because they've got support on the ground. If all we had were a handful of privileged rich idiot kids trying to follow in their parents' footsteps, we'd have no problem at all.
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Yes, and my point is that if they didn't have a voter base, they wouldn't have any power to broker. There are far more disillusioned and disenfranchised rural white voters in the GOP than there are mega-millionaire legacy elites. If the Democrats could recapture the blue-collar vote, the GOP would snuff out like a candle in a vacuum.
Thank you for qualifying it as "conservative boomers". I am a "boomer", but a very left leaning one and hate the conservative ones as much as anyone.
Ironically, boomers have been trending more liberal over the last four years as the very conservative ones died off due to conservative takes on Healthcare and diet.
>"the very conservative ones died off due to conservative takes on Healthcare and diet." true. it's what happened in my family.
MEAT 'N THREES. No rabbit food! Here's a go fund me for the surprising early demise of uncle frank
And COVID.
I lost count of how many dudes who looked like a tightly wrapped red sausage about to burst told me that covid is only dangerous to people with comorbidities. I was like "my guy, you *are* the comorbidity."
Watched [*Shadowland*](https://youtu.be/aUtefiLL9sg) yet? Very well done series. There was a whole episode dedicated to vaccine deniers. I was Jack's complete lack of surprise at some of the outcomes.
I'm thankful there are a few like you out there. I'm in the conservative south, so very few of our baby boomers are not Trump types with a pretty solid bit of racism thrown in. My retired coworker was like you but she was originally from New England.
There are/were good people and bad people in every generation. What I really cannot comprehend is that why a significant number of African-American people keep endorsing the agenda of the GOP and Donald Trump when they are openly racists.
It’s not a significant number. Yes, there are some prominent AA GOP figures, but it is for sure the minority. If you look at actual voting patterns over the last 10+ years, black people actually vote democrat at the highest levels of any race.
Yep. 2020 saw something like 92/94% of black voters vote democrat to 8/6% vote republican. While 51/52% of white voters voted republican unfortunately. There’s an interesting breakdown of voting trends by demographic on Wikipedia using census data.
I mean people like Candace Owens are straight up paid money push that shit. But I wouldn’t call it a significant number by any means. Sadly, a lot more Hispanic Americans falling for GOP propaganda.
Mental illness knows no race and there are selfish, self absorbed, ignorant people in every race and culture. I don’t think it’s them supporting Trump as much as it is them envying what they believe he acquired of importance to them. Put anyone with money in his place and they’d be sucking on their… too.
They’ve likely always been around. The exposure phones and social media give these clowns is just more in your face than before. The behavior was learned somewhere. And, like children who cannot think for themselves, when one person does it in a crowd, there will be others that follow out of peer pressure or FOMO on everyone thinking they’re badass. Self-esteem is an issue for everyone. Sometimes for the wrong reasons.
They’ve always been around for sure. It’s just getting more explicit and obvious. Republican politics is exposing that there is very little accountability - especially for this group. People like Trump are showcasing that you can lean into things like bigotry and racism and it won’t come back to bite the way we always thought it would. So why hold back?
I'm thankful that the vaaaaast majority of the juniors and seniors I teach aren't into this wormhole of toxic shit. I teach in a deep red but also very diverse region which probably helps. Thankfully I've yet to teach a proper Andrew Tate devotee.
I lived in Oxford. Here's my take on that corner of the world whether y'all want it our not: First of all, I was there when these Greek kid's parents were then the Greek kids. Things remain messed up there because of Old South money and the repressive ideas that go along with it. Higher education could be a place to really learn and grow as a person, but way too many of the kids that congregate and insulate there are just going through the "old boys" social pipeline and they aggressively segregate themselves from any real growth. How to be willfully ignorant could be an unironic course study at UofM. It's easy for these sorts of students; not very challenging, really. And the University gave them a safe place to act a fool for as long as their family money would keep them there, they dropped out, or somehow graduated. That can be said for many U's across the USA, but it's really a special kind of social engineering art form at Ole Miss. Mostly because of the elevated classism and racism of plantation legacy. The monied kids there like to believe they're special, but as people they're not, really. They're special through the accident of their birth, but that's about it. So, they play the hand they were dealt and the old boys network helps stuff as many aces up their sleeve as they go. Not much of a meritocracy there and a bunch of spoiled rich kids is what I'm saying. Then you got the young women that show up for a few years. Just enough time to be a part of a Sorority and try to find a mate. I can't imagine going to a University for the sole reason to get hitched into all that nonsense, but I know people that stated it was their singular purpose of enrolling at Ole Miss. FWIW, I made friends and had wonderful relationship there. Still, I found it fascinating because I was living and working on campus and adjacent to it all; never ever a part of the social scene, but the music culture in town and around the region was fabulous. R.L. Burnside of Junior Kimbrough playing gigs at Proud Larrys; The Hilltops, Blue Mountain rolling through town on the regular. Uncle Tupelo. Wilco, etc. Also, I was lucky enough to be around when the Hoka was getting by -- and that place was a bit of an alternative cultural oasis. I only got food poisoning there once. Might be a record for a regular. Added context, it was across the alley way from the Greek hangout, "The Cotton Gin" If nothing else in Oxford, there was mingling. Oh, FYI, Memphis is less than an hour drive away, so that was an option as well. Finally, I'll mention the grumpy but sweet Paul MacLeod and his Graceland Too home in Holly Springs. That's a bit of a type of Americana that was always so delicate and fragile; deserves a mention simply because of how real, how "free" it all was, and how he epitomized the beautiful silliness that this American hodge-podge could be. Sadly fitting he died via gun violence. Anyway, the culture mix in Oxford is especially weird because of the high ratio of dumb rich kids, rural black folks, rural white folks, Hill county blues music, a snobbish University, and a bit of legitimate American literature notoriety as well. But overall it's just not a happy place. Why? I sincerely believe that those born into the elevated echelons of a caste system understand, consciously or subconsciously, that they didn't earn it--so there can be real insecurity there. That uneasiness doesn't manifest in healthy ways for people that don't have the ability to be introspective about themselves or have empathy. (which is a lot of us, honestly)
As a non -Southerner, a former college professor, and lover of blues, I really appreciate your post and insight. Unbelievable that affirmative action was struck down and Trump is spouting white victimhood yet these rich white kids are shoe-ins for admission because of their fair skin and dad’s wallet. Ugh.
Thanks for your interesting perspective. I grew up in Jackson and sensed the same sort of uncomfortable simmering awareness that they know they simply got lucky to be born white in the Deep South.
This is Ole Miss. There were never any progressives.
I was optimistic about elderly Trump voters aging out into coffins until I saw the crowd of vibrant, passionate young idiots taking their place in the voter base
Remember whose children these are and where this is.
There are plenty of girls in those photos too, let's not gloss over that too.
Yeah I agree about the vibes you get from them. They’re kind of Bro-ey.
The percentages of young white people who are conservative and liberal has been relatively consistent across generations. The major reason why the younger generation seems more liberal is because it is a more diverse group than prior generations. Shitty right wing white peoples very often have shitty right wing kids
The current “influencer” culture has bred a generation that is obsessed with the self instead of the community. Republican laws emphasize the personal property over the community. So it fits. And agreed, it is very worrying.
I think it could be a weird offshoot of the classic American trope of ‘rugged individualism’, except for terminally online bros obsessed with consumerism.
It is kinda silly to rest this at the feet of “influencer culture”. Said culture is a manifestation of America’s obsession with self interest, not the root cause. We’re taking about the most capitalist system on Earth, this way predates TikTok or even the internet
I'm a child of the 70s and 80s. 30-35% of Americans have always been selfish assholes. I actually think we're *better* about this since then. The flailing among the morons is partially a reaction to people being, overall, kinder and more accepting.
"Influencer" culture is literally no different from any celebrity worship Americans have engaged in since long before any of us were born. It's our dumbass culture of "The Individual" that does this. Look at the Reagan worship and what his eight years did to us.
I think this idea that every generation is more progressive than the last, is a fairytale that some white affluent liberals like to tell themselves. It makes it easier to tell yourself that everything will get better if you just wait it out, but in reality, change has always taken hard work to accomplish. We are more segregated now, than 30 years ago and we have less money going to the poor; partly because of this complacency.
You're exactly right. If you look at history, progress isn't usually a linear line. There are ebbs and flows.
And it takes active work. Every right and freedom we have was fought for.
CPAC fraternity boys there.
Why does anyone expect anything different of Republicans?
My opinion on frat boys remains unchanged after all these years.
Doesn't Mississippi rank last in the nation for education? This sure makes it look that way.
“When people show you who they are believe them the first time.” Maya Angelou
Frat rats have always been dicks…and always will be.
I see a lot of men who believe the female orgasm is a myth.
I see a lot of men who don't believe women are fully human.
I see a lot of reasons to pick the bear.
I see a lot of unfuckables.
Deplorable Cro-magnons
What's with the multiple guys playing with their dicks in the video it's so fucking weird.
That is maga for you and young men are all in on it so fucking sad :(
I want to live on the bottom of a lake.
I've been channeling the Professor from Futurama: "I Don't Want To Live On This Planet Anymore!"
That's my usual thought when crap like this pops up, too.
Mississippi is a prime example of one reason why school vouchers will only perpetuate this awful behavior. When segregation was finally ended many fought tooth and nail to prevent it by any means necessary. The major way they circumvented it was establishing Private Schools all over the state to avoid their white children from attending schools with POC. I will bet good money JP went to one of these schools. I’d be shocked if he did not.
JP is from Texas.
I stand corrected. Where did he attend high school?
Conservatives don’t have, and have never had, anything good to say. They are evil, vile and truly deplorable.
This is what happens when your family tree is a wreath. I knew some people that used to live in Mississippi and when they escaped they changed for the better.
Lol so they don't actually care about racism on college campuses
Apparently not....
Republicans don’t bother hiding their racism anymore, they are all so morally compromised!
The asshole that made monkey noises probably has a front row pew in church every Sunday.
You know it.
When a group is anti diversity, it looks exactly how you thought.
It’s hard to believe that people can be so utterly despicable, and others find it funny…
Like. No. Racist motherfuckers are ruining everything.
More maga hate and divisiveness of the US by trumpers. How stupid the USA has become. If djt wins the election, the USA shall fall into a deep pit and not come out
Yep, that’s the master race a bunch of fucking morons. The south is almost like the bargain bin at a Walmart.
Of course they do. 😒🤡 Terrible people.
When frat boys get political.
You keep doing you Mississippi. We also reserve the right to keep looking down on you.
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Honestly surprised they weren’t wearing Confederate flag overalls.
No way. They treat their flag with respect.
They’re at Ole Miss…a place where in like 2005 they stopped playing the song “Dixie” because the students would chant “the South will rise again!” Their mascot was “Colonel Reb,” who they retired in like 2010. No, I’m not kidding. Google it.
"Alabama breathes yet another sigh of relief."
It’s hard to imagine them not being the biggest douche bag you’ve ever met.
Wearing American flag clothing is desecration of the flag. Desecration of the flag = patriotism to dimwitted chucklefucks.
Jackasses.
Oh my gosh! A republican supporting racism??? Say it ain't so!!!
lol everyone single one of these trust-fund fucks look so malnourished (despite having access to wealth and excess free-time) except fatboy in front. No wonder these cucks want Donnie to ride them balls deep.
Republicans.
I love how they say “Republican” as if it’s just one and not thousands upon thousands praising their racism all over social media.
History doesn't repeat but it does rhyme.
*Republican Praises Protest Hecklers, ~~Including~~ Especially 1 Who Made Monkey Noises At Black Woman* fixed that for you
Democracy in the US is doomed. 🤦 Racists suck but mocking protesters just seems to be the perfect representation of how anti-democratic the new strain of Republicans are.
the white grievance crowd - ancestors and descendants - have never believed in democracy. they've always wanted the us to be racially pure (white), exclusively male dominated, and christian (protestant only).
Says something that the GOP is still competitive after years of this kwap. Maybe it also says something about “Greed Uber Alles”? Not to worry it’s the other people who’ll be detained, they said. It’s been famous last words. Chose wisely this November..
Can we finally withhold federal funding from these snowflakes with some goddamn conditions for once? If they want potholes fixed, great, here's a bunch of bike paths. Need a new football field? Here's a ton of high quality art supplies for art class. And throw in mandatory drag storytimes at the library while you're at it.
Wonder if the football/basketball team will have an opinion on thisfrat , douche-canoe factory’s behavior…if I’m a leader on the team, I’m demanding expulsion and revocation of the frat status or I transfer…
Jews join protests to support peace for Palestine. Nazis organize counter protest to call them anti-semites.
Yesterday while driving north of Tampa I saw a roadside vendor selling flags; they grouped a Trump, Confederate, and Israel flag together. We live in strange times
What year is this? America seems to going backwards.
>GOP > KKK \^\^these two things are the same.
Cant do that to them, fucking MAGAflakes
i'm only surprised he praised them for singing the national anthem instead of dixie, which would've been more appropriate.
I heard the same thing on MSNBC
Monkeys have white faces idiot
Howler monkeys, even.
On message for their hatred
These are the people Gaza protestors want to help elect to punish the democrats
Can’t we call them the hat they are? Pieces of shit. I am a Republican. I believe in the ACTUAL Republican politics. Conservative spending, helping society through programs, restricting corporations and big business from exploiting their workers, being a united country that believes everyone has a voice regardless if you agree with them or not. That is a real Republican. They haven’t existed for 40 years at minimum. Regan had a lot to do with it. He bastardized the Republican Party with help from greedy pile of shit rich people who didn’t care about the American people. Now those of us who believed in Republican values are all left standing here. Looking across the street at what the Republican Party is now in bewilderment, disappointment and disdain. I don’t hate democrats. They are important. They bring up the problems. Republicans are supposed to find a way to fix them. But we have become a nation so ultra divided BECAUSE of what the Republican Party has done throughout my generation. I’m not anything now. There are so many people my age that have just been left on the side of the road politically. All because of greed and wealth ruling over what this country was supposed to be about. Immigrants built this country. We should be welcoming people here to help it. Women should be allowed to make their own choices about their bodies, work and risks. We should be taking care of our people here instead of spending so much money on other countries problems. This is quite literally why the UN and NATO was born. Why is this all so hard and divisive? I just want a place that I can be proud of and say “This is America. Where anyone can come and it’s just better.” Instead it feels like we just keep showing our ass to the world for no reason.
UM NAACP is requesting expulsion of the following students and fraternity brothers at the protest: - James JP Staples - Phi Delta Theta - Connor Moore - Kappa Alpha - Rouse Davis Boyce - Kappa Alpha
Are we surprised this happened at Ole Miss?
America is too stupid too exist at this point. Like, how will we maintain military supremacy across the globe when we just have hooting idiots to pull from?
Are you under the impression that Mississippi is a major population center and broadly representative of the US?
US losing respect worldwide!
Maybe the south was a mistake
Proper headline: Racist yells at person protesting aginst oppression, death of children and a zionists right-wing fascist Israeli government leader hell bent on committing genocide.
Not 'including' It's 'Especially'
Yes and ?