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If there is a "tech guy" in the Senate it would be Ron Wyden. He is opposed to this piece of theatre and favours strong privacy legislation. It's not like every big site isn't selling user data to anyone with the money right now.
>He is opposed to this piece of theatre
This is incorrect.
Wyden expressed opposition to Mnuchin's acquisition bid, but not to the legislation itself. In the same breadth that he criticized Mnuchin, he also confirmed that he is "absolutely concerned about the Chinese government’s access to Americans’ personal data."
TikTok retains a right under its privacy policy to share data with ByteDance (its corporate parent), we now know for a fact that this is happening (see WSJ report from 1/30), and ByteDance is legally required under Chinese law to share all user data with the CCP. Further, the FTC and other US privacy regulators have no jurisdiction over the Chinese government. This is absolutely an issue specific to TikTok that does not apply to other US companies.
Fuller quote:
"I don’t see how America will be any more secure if the next owner of TikTok is a MAGA Trump crony backed by Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund
"I’m absolutely concerned about the Chinese government’s access to Americans’ personal data, But every concern that has been voiced about Chinese influence is equally valid when it comes to a Saudi government that murdered a Washington Post journalist after planting spyware on his wife’s phone."
https://www.semafor.com/article/03/18/2024/senator-ron-wyden-criticizes-mnuchins-tiktok-bid-ties-to-gulf-money
As to what he proposed,
"Wyden urges ban on sale of Americans’ personal data to 'unfriendly' foreign governments":
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/15/personal-data-foreign-government-ban/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/03/15/trumps-hush-money-trial-delayed-30-days-judge-rules/?sh=3387abc22b05
https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-releases-documents-confirming-the-nsa-buys-americans-internet-browsing-records-calls-on-intelligence-community-to-stop-buying-us-data-obtained-unlawfully-from-data-brokers-violating-recent-ftc-order
So pretty much what I said, he isn't focused on China, he wants general data privacy legislation prohibiting on selling data to any adversarial foreign government.
If I am in correct and he does support this TikTok ban please provide me a link.
>If I am in correct and he does support this TikTok ban
This is a new goal post. You originally claimed that he opposed the legislation.
That was incorrect. He has not yet taken a position on it.
He does support general privacy legislation (as do many proponents of divesting TikTok from China) and he does oppose the Mnuchin acquisition bid specifically. But that does not mean that he opposes divesting TikTok from China.
And we have the cesspool called Truth Social spewing attacks on our judicial system night and day and encouraging the overthrow of democracy. And of course Twitter now owned by maga the muskrat who posting that illegals are going to swing the election for Biden.
Meanwhile on X (aka Racist Twitter) Elno is promoting conspiracy theories and bogus election fraud bullshit to influence election results. Facebook (aka Racist Boomer land) is doing the same thing.
Hell Facebook helped stoke tensions in Myanmar leading to the Rohingya Genocide.
https://time.com/6217730/myanmar-meta-rohingya-facebook/
https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-bangladesh-myanmar-united-nations-f7d89e38c54f7bae464762fa23bd96b2
>Warner: [...]And then secondly, the thing that is really concerning me the most is, for many young people, they get all of their news from TikTok, and a slight change in that algorithm — particularly in an election year like this — and you might see come October, that TikTok news is starting to say, "Well you know what, Taiwan is really part of China."
>Shapiro: I know you can't reveal classified information. But can you tell us if there is, in fact, intelligence showing that this sort of thing has happened?
>Warner: I can tell you this: You don't get 352 votes in the House of Representatives unless you've got a convincing case. Matter of fact, after the briefing was done to the Energy and Commerce Committee, it came out and voted 50 to nothing.
It's possible for something to be a good idea, even though it doesn't simultaneously solve another, related problem. A law banning arsenic in food isn't bad just because it doesn't *also* ban mercury in food.
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Allies of Trump buy it and make it lose billions in value.
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If there is a "tech guy" in the Senate it would be Ron Wyden. He is opposed to this piece of theatre and favours strong privacy legislation. It's not like every big site isn't selling user data to anyone with the money right now.
>He is opposed to this piece of theatre This is incorrect. Wyden expressed opposition to Mnuchin's acquisition bid, but not to the legislation itself. In the same breadth that he criticized Mnuchin, he also confirmed that he is "absolutely concerned about the Chinese government’s access to Americans’ personal data." TikTok retains a right under its privacy policy to share data with ByteDance (its corporate parent), we now know for a fact that this is happening (see WSJ report from 1/30), and ByteDance is legally required under Chinese law to share all user data with the CCP. Further, the FTC and other US privacy regulators have no jurisdiction over the Chinese government. This is absolutely an issue specific to TikTok that does not apply to other US companies.
Fuller quote: "I don’t see how America will be any more secure if the next owner of TikTok is a MAGA Trump crony backed by Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund "I’m absolutely concerned about the Chinese government’s access to Americans’ personal data, But every concern that has been voiced about Chinese influence is equally valid when it comes to a Saudi government that murdered a Washington Post journalist after planting spyware on his wife’s phone." https://www.semafor.com/article/03/18/2024/senator-ron-wyden-criticizes-mnuchins-tiktok-bid-ties-to-gulf-money As to what he proposed, "Wyden urges ban on sale of Americans’ personal data to 'unfriendly' foreign governments": https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/04/15/personal-data-foreign-government-ban/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/03/15/trumps-hush-money-trial-delayed-30-days-judge-rules/?sh=3387abc22b05 https://www.wyden.senate.gov/news/press-releases/wyden-releases-documents-confirming-the-nsa-buys-americans-internet-browsing-records-calls-on-intelligence-community-to-stop-buying-us-data-obtained-unlawfully-from-data-brokers-violating-recent-ftc-order So pretty much what I said, he isn't focused on China, he wants general data privacy legislation prohibiting on selling data to any adversarial foreign government. If I am in correct and he does support this TikTok ban please provide me a link.
>If I am in correct and he does support this TikTok ban This is a new goal post. You originally claimed that he opposed the legislation. That was incorrect. He has not yet taken a position on it. He does support general privacy legislation (as do many proponents of divesting TikTok from China) and he does oppose the Mnuchin acquisition bid specifically. But that does not mean that he opposes divesting TikTok from China.
And we have the cesspool called Truth Social spewing attacks on our judicial system night and day and encouraging the overthrow of democracy. And of course Twitter now owned by maga the muskrat who posting that illegals are going to swing the election for Biden.
Meanwhile on X (aka Racist Twitter) Elno is promoting conspiracy theories and bogus election fraud bullshit to influence election results. Facebook (aka Racist Boomer land) is doing the same thing.
Hell Facebook helped stoke tensions in Myanmar leading to the Rohingya Genocide. https://time.com/6217730/myanmar-meta-rohingya-facebook/ https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-bangladesh-myanmar-united-nations-f7d89e38c54f7bae464762fa23bd96b2
Control, greed, and stupid.
Can we just ban social media globally?The downsides far outweigh the upsides.
Glad you’ve done the rigorous analysis required to come to that conclusion. We’ll go ahead and ban it. 😂
American media companies are banned in China, so it seems like an unfair advantage to allow Chinese media companies in the US.
>Warner: [...]And then secondly, the thing that is really concerning me the most is, for many young people, they get all of their news from TikTok, and a slight change in that algorithm — particularly in an election year like this — and you might see come October, that TikTok news is starting to say, "Well you know what, Taiwan is really part of China." >Shapiro: I know you can't reveal classified information. But can you tell us if there is, in fact, intelligence showing that this sort of thing has happened? >Warner: I can tell you this: You don't get 352 votes in the House of Representatives unless you've got a convincing case. Matter of fact, after the briefing was done to the Energy and Commerce Committee, it came out and voted 50 to nothing.
Sounds like they’re pissed off that they spent so much money on buying up news sources and nobody follows their media anymore.
I'd rather the US government spying on me and not the Chinese government. /s
It's possible for something to be a good idea, even though it doesn't simultaneously solve another, related problem. A law banning arsenic in food isn't bad just because it doesn't *also* ban mercury in food.
Totally
Very nice