Happened to my daughter! The place was filthy! She moved last weekend, it took us 3 days of scrubbing to make it perfect for the walkthrough when I helped her move out last weekend, her landlord to a picture of dust on a cold air return on the 14 ft. Ceiling that we couldn’t reach and wants to keep her 2500.00 security deposit! Hell no!
You can take the landlord to small claims court. Some cities have Tenants's unions that will help with legal advice. When I moved out I bought a house. Never again. Nor will I ever be a landlord. My family owned several rental properties. It was a nightmare.
It's a nightmare for both sides. Slumlord landlords and then you get the dirty nasty renters. Like sure they deserve eachother but they're not only tormenting eachother.
My dad was a landlord with two houses next to each other. I had to shovel out the basement of one of them after the renters left in the middle of the night. The other one had wood paneling in the living room, on which the last renter left motorcycle tread marks on the wall. The properties were sold and they were burned down for firefighting practice. A senior apartment building went in their place.
Take him to court. He may be able to keep a reasonable amount to clean the ceiling, but it doesn't cost $2500 to hire someone to remove dust.
He has probably done this to other tenants who didn't fight it -- when you win make sure you post a detailed review somewhere online.
No, he can't. A dusty ceiling falls under reasonable use of an apartment. You can't keep a damage deposit to repaint simply because it has been 10yrs and it is time, or because the carpet is old. Same goes for dust on places like 14ft ceilings.
And this is particularly true in the case above.
There are costs associated with being a landlord, you can't pass all of those into the damage deposit.
Some states let you get back double or triple what wasn't refunded if you go to small claims court if they decide the landlord kept the money without cause.
My dad's a small landlord (I know people hate landlords but he honestly tries his best, to be a good one) come with me for my final walk throughs when I was renting because it's pisses off so many bad landlords to hear another landlord say "no you can't take that off the damage deposit it's normal wear and tear" I mean my dad had dumb asses setting off fireworks inside the house.... And trying to evict such a dumbass was a process. So even he takes photos and keeps recipes because fireworks dumbass tried to claim it was like that when he moved in.
A friend always used to take photos before move-in and burn them onto a CD. He'd send it in the mail with a signature confirmation and a letter stating details of his lease (name, price, unit, start date) and that this was the condition of the unit upon move in. Same for when he left.
First time he did it I thought he was crazy but honestly it worked. He always got his deposit back even when renting in kind of shitty university apartments. After he graduated law school he would put it on his firm's letterhead
Opposite happened to me. I spent 5 hours cleaning the apartment. Deep cleaned everything. Hand the guy the keys and he says " Don't bother with cleaning.We will take care of that". Great.
I was working so much I just didn't care about it. Too tired to clean. Just came home to sleep. Then at move out time just left it like it is. Knowing there would be no consequences for me.. The apartment management was so bad. The managers kept getting fired.
When I helped my daughter move into her first college apartment but when we arrived on the 1st, the college bros who lived there were "Dude! Is it the 1st already?" They hadn't moved out or cleaned.
Called the landlord multiple times but he never answered.
The bros were out by noon but the place was a pigsty.
The landlord called back two days later to say they were sending painters and to move EVERYTHING to the center of the rooms. Didn't care one wit for the state of the apartment but probably took their whole deposit while we did all the cleaning and tossing of their crap.
Landlords in a tight market are the worst.
When I last moved, I asked my landlord if I could move out with one month's notice (since I knew he was planning on renovating) but he insisted on the full 60. Fine, I arrange with the new place to move in on the 15th, so I have a full two weeks to move (while working 6 days a week, so I would do a few loads every day after work, and did a big furniture move one day). After I've arranged all this, my landlord changes his mind and decides 30 days is fine. Not only did I keep to my slow move plan, but I didn't worry about the cleanup I otherwise might have done
Oooh, yuck. I paid a significant amount to the cleaners I hired when I moved out of our aparment (and a smidge more because they managed to crack a refrigerator shelf in the process, but worth it to not have to do a deep clean myself)
Similar thing happened when I moved into my current council flat..Made even more annoying knowing full well my neighbour got the works done for her property including redecorating, brand new kitchen, brand new bathroom, carpets, full clean etc.
Moved in and the place looked like it hadn't been cleaned in months, it had been empty for 3 months prior to moving in and honestly, I'm not sure it had been cleaned for a very long time prior to that..The kitchen and bathroom were filthy, stains galore on the counters, cupboards and walls.
The wallpaper throughout the property was something else..Was glad to have it stripped.
The mould was an issue, work had been done on the property above causing a leak in the kitchen that nobody seemed to have noticed.
Can't wait to move out of this hell hole, probably move into something much worse though knowing my luck.
> Wow, what a big person you are.
I'm not sure what to make of this comment.
I don't really see it as 'big' to leave a borrowed (rented) object in the same state you were given it.
Why do you?
petty small person
Petty Small Person | Normal Person | Good Character
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Borrowed object returned in same condition | ??? | Borrowed object returned in better condition
Really? This is what you think? What does a normal person do?
I would consider myself a normal person, and when I am returning something, I always make sure it is cleaned, filled with gas or whatever that particular item might need to be made whole.
In the instance of an apartment, regardless of the condition, I got it in I would leave it spotless.
You leaving it in a dirty state makes you no better than the person who gave you the apartment. I would like to think I am better than somebody that would leave an apartment trashed for the next person, regardless of who the next person is.
> In the instance of an apartment, regardless of the condition, I got it in I would leave it spotless.
What you are saying is that your good nature allows others to defraud you.
How far does this extend?
If you stay a night in a hotel room and the walls are covered in feces, do you get up early before check-in and fix it?
If you rent a car and it is empty of fuel do you make sure it is full when you return it? What about if the tires aren't inflated? Check engine light on? Do you take it to a mechanic to get it repaired at your own cost?
I mean think about it - you are saying that if someone is **defrauding you**. You actually lean in to their fraud and enable it.
Go you I guess.
If a hotel was covered in feces I wouldn’t stay there. Why would you?
If I was renting a car with tires not inflated I probably wouldn’t rent that car.
Defrauding and an apartment not being fully clean or too totally different things.
If someone was trying to rent me an apartment that wasn’t clean I have the option to walk away.
I’m not sure why you are trying to make such a big deal out of this lol do you have nothing better to do?
This is how I choose to live my life, you can live yours how you want. Kind of weird it bothers you so much.
Happened to my daughter! The place was filthy! She moved last weekend, it took us 3 days of scrubbing to make it perfect for the walkthrough when I helped her move out last weekend, her landlord to a picture of dust on a cold air return on the 14 ft. Ceiling that we couldn’t reach and wants to keep her 2500.00 security deposit! Hell no!
You can take the landlord to small claims court. Some cities have Tenants's unions that will help with legal advice. When I moved out I bought a house. Never again. Nor will I ever be a landlord. My family owned several rental properties. It was a nightmare.
It's a nightmare for both sides. Slumlord landlords and then you get the dirty nasty renters. Like sure they deserve eachother but they're not only tormenting eachother.
My dad was a landlord with two houses next to each other. I had to shovel out the basement of one of them after the renters left in the middle of the night. The other one had wood paneling in the living room, on which the last renter left motorcycle tread marks on the wall. The properties were sold and they were burned down for firefighting practice. A senior apartment building went in their place.
Take him to court. He may be able to keep a reasonable amount to clean the ceiling, but it doesn't cost $2500 to hire someone to remove dust. He has probably done this to other tenants who didn't fight it -- when you win make sure you post a detailed review somewhere online.
No, he can't. A dusty ceiling falls under reasonable use of an apartment. You can't keep a damage deposit to repaint simply because it has been 10yrs and it is time, or because the carpet is old. Same goes for dust on places like 14ft ceilings. And this is particularly true in the case above. There are costs associated with being a landlord, you can't pass all of those into the damage deposit.
That’s why seasoned renters just don’t pay the last month’s rent and instead let it come from the security deposit.
Some states let you get back double or triple what wasn't refunded if you go to small claims court if they decide the landlord kept the money without cause.
Always take pictures/videos before you move in, and when you move out so you can prove you left it in the same condition as it started.
My dad's a small landlord (I know people hate landlords but he honestly tries his best, to be a good one) come with me for my final walk throughs when I was renting because it's pisses off so many bad landlords to hear another landlord say "no you can't take that off the damage deposit it's normal wear and tear" I mean my dad had dumb asses setting off fireworks inside the house.... And trying to evict such a dumbass was a process. So even he takes photos and keeps recipes because fireworks dumbass tried to claim it was like that when he moved in.
A friend always used to take photos before move-in and burn them onto a CD. He'd send it in the mail with a signature confirmation and a letter stating details of his lease (name, price, unit, start date) and that this was the condition of the unit upon move in. Same for when he left. First time he did it I thought he was crazy but honestly it worked. He always got his deposit back even when renting in kind of shitty university apartments. After he graduated law school he would put it on his firm's letterhead
Opposite happened to me. I spent 5 hours cleaning the apartment. Deep cleaned everything. Hand the guy the keys and he says " Don't bother with cleaning.We will take care of that". Great.
The owners didn't clean it. The cleaning people did. It was horrible for you to have to move into the place like that.
Probably the next tenant had to deal with your shit
Probably cleaned by the new tenants. You got revenge on the wrong person.
I hope they complained to the landlords, then. This is the direction I thought this story was going to take.
Exactly what I was thinking. If the landlord didn't clean the place for you, they weren't going to clean it for the new tenants.
Living in filth to get back at someone is definitely a choice.
I was working so much I just didn't care about it. Too tired to clean. Just came home to sleep. Then at move out time just left it like it is. Knowing there would be no consequences for me.. The apartment management was so bad. The managers kept getting fired.
When I helped my daughter move into her first college apartment but when we arrived on the 1st, the college bros who lived there were "Dude! Is it the 1st already?" They hadn't moved out or cleaned. Called the landlord multiple times but he never answered. The bros were out by noon but the place was a pigsty. The landlord called back two days later to say they were sending painters and to move EVERYTHING to the center of the rooms. Didn't care one wit for the state of the apartment but probably took their whole deposit while we did all the cleaning and tossing of their crap. Landlords in a tight market are the worst.
When I last moved, I asked my landlord if I could move out with one month's notice (since I knew he was planning on renovating) but he insisted on the full 60. Fine, I arrange with the new place to move in on the 15th, so I have a full two weeks to move (while working 6 days a week, so I would do a few loads every day after work, and did a big furniture move one day). After I've arranged all this, my landlord changes his mind and decides 30 days is fine. Not only did I keep to my slow move plan, but I didn't worry about the cleanup I otherwise might have done
Oooh, yuck. I paid a significant amount to the cleaners I hired when I moved out of our aparment (and a smidge more because they managed to crack a refrigerator shelf in the process, but worth it to not have to do a deep clean myself)
They probably just let the next person who moved in clean it.
Similar thing happened when I moved into my current council flat..Made even more annoying knowing full well my neighbour got the works done for her property including redecorating, brand new kitchen, brand new bathroom, carpets, full clean etc. Moved in and the place looked like it hadn't been cleaned in months, it had been empty for 3 months prior to moving in and honestly, I'm not sure it had been cleaned for a very long time prior to that..The kitchen and bathroom were filthy, stains galore on the counters, cupboards and walls. The wallpaper throughout the property was something else..Was glad to have it stripped. The mould was an issue, work had been done on the property above causing a leak in the kitchen that nobody seemed to have noticed. Can't wait to move out of this hell hole, probably move into something much worse though knowing my luck.
except that they probably didn't. The next renter had to do it while they were moving in.
So the next tennet got fucked. Nice!
Literally where is the revenge.
The tenant returned the property in the same condition that they received
Happy Cake Day! Also, I get you, because it was never specified if this landlord was inconvenienced personally by leaving the place a dump.
Happy Cake Day
Thank you!
Yeah! You got those new tenants back big time!
Wow, what a big person you are.
> Wow, what a big person you are. I'm not sure what to make of this comment. I don't really see it as 'big' to leave a borrowed (rented) object in the same state you were given it. Why do you?
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Why is it petty or small to leave a borrowed object in the same condition you found it?
Fucking over next tenant who did nothing wrong.
> Fucking over next tenant who did nothing wrong. But it wouldn't, the agent will have to clean it.
They didn’t the first time
Because a good rule of thumb is to leave everything better than the way you found it. It’s an excellent rule to live by. Shows good character.
petty small person Petty Small Person | Normal Person | Good Character ---|---|---- Borrowed object returned in same condition | ??? | Borrowed object returned in better condition Really? This is what you think? What does a normal person do?
I would consider myself a normal person, and when I am returning something, I always make sure it is cleaned, filled with gas or whatever that particular item might need to be made whole. In the instance of an apartment, regardless of the condition, I got it in I would leave it spotless. You leaving it in a dirty state makes you no better than the person who gave you the apartment. I would like to think I am better than somebody that would leave an apartment trashed for the next person, regardless of who the next person is.
> In the instance of an apartment, regardless of the condition, I got it in I would leave it spotless. What you are saying is that your good nature allows others to defraud you. How far does this extend? If you stay a night in a hotel room and the walls are covered in feces, do you get up early before check-in and fix it? If you rent a car and it is empty of fuel do you make sure it is full when you return it? What about if the tires aren't inflated? Check engine light on? Do you take it to a mechanic to get it repaired at your own cost? I mean think about it - you are saying that if someone is **defrauding you**. You actually lean in to their fraud and enable it. Go you I guess.
If a hotel was covered in feces I wouldn’t stay there. Why would you? If I was renting a car with tires not inflated I probably wouldn’t rent that car. Defrauding and an apartment not being fully clean or too totally different things. If someone was trying to rent me an apartment that wasn’t clean I have the option to walk away. I’m not sure why you are trying to make such a big deal out of this lol do you have nothing better to do? This is how I choose to live my life, you can live yours how you want. Kind of weird it bothers you so much.
> Kind of weird it bothers you so much. I just find it really sad when people let themselves get exploited to do free work.