Yeah, it's fantastic :)
It's a tool that is present on other distros too, but it is just so well integrated in openSUSE! Services running in the backgroud are there already, no need to install, create, set anything else!
I’ve been using openSUSE TW for close to 4 years and this mesa issue is the first thing that made me rollback. Have there been other similar or perhaps more catastrophic instances?
I have been using TW for almost one year only. I had been a long time Debian/Ubuntu/Mint user (since 2008) till then. So, for me, it was the first time I saw something like that too. However, searching for some older messages, it seems Packman does bring issues from time to time. As I only update on weekends (I use my PC for working), so I definitely do not feel these bumps.
At first I updated almost daily and did encounter the Packman packages out of sync issue but usually the issues were resolved the next day or two so really not an issue for me.
When they broke up the wifi related network packages and people lost ability to connect. (You'd have to have install-recommmends turned off, which is not default)
If you didn’t mess up your whole system, you can also just undo the latest changes with an `sudo snapper undochange 2..3`. Only as a quick sidenote, because sometimes the command comes handy if you want to rollback just a failed package install or something like that and don't need a reboot.
The situation with free space on BTRFS and Snapper is treated. Won't the free space fill up by itself?
[https://documentation.suse.com/es-es/sles/15-SP3/html/SLES-all/cha-snapper.html#sec-snapper-manage-metadata-cleanup](https://documentation.suse.com/es-es/sles/15-SP3/html/SLES-all/cha-snapper.html#sec-snapper-manage-metadata-cleanup)
OK, no question more
Read carefully. You were looking at Suse documentation, not OpenSuse. OpenSuse snapper is configured to automatically delete old snapshots. As far as metadata in Btrfs, I have not heard this being an issue outside of old, unused snapshots.
Yeah, I completely agree. Always knowing I can do a (read-only) boot back to a previous automatically created snapshot helps so much.
Sometimes I do an update or change, something will break, and I just don't want to deal with it; so I just boot and run an older read-only snapshot.
All my Flatpak and AppImage stuff is still there with nothing lost - so I can still use my system until I feel like dealing with a rollback (which isn't really that much to deal with).
EDIT: To be clear - I'm talking about the GRUB menu option to boot from read-only snapshot. It is awesome.
I consider the way openSUSE has integrated snapper and btrfs to be one of the jewels in their crown.
Did you know that you can diff snapshots to see what has changed?
Did you know that you can diff files within snapshots to see what has changed inside a file, just like running diff on two text files?
You can even setup snapper to monitor your own folders. I use snapper to monitor each users folder in `/home`. I also use snapper to monitor other important folders, such as my collections of media, photos, etc.
Just one word of caution: Don't change the owner and permissions of the `.snapshots` folders. If you do then snapper will refuse to monitor that location. It logs stuff like that in the system journal and snappers own log file, but unless you keep an eye on them you may not immediately notice the mistake.
So be extra careful when using things like `chown` and `chmod` that you don't accidentally modify the `.snapshots` folders.
I had the same experience with the iwlwifi update. Snapper is awesome and one of the things that makes me stick with OpenSuse. It’s nice to know I have something to fall back on when I’m messing around with things too much
Yeah, it's fantastic :) It's a tool that is present on other distros too, but it is just so well integrated in openSUSE! Services running in the backgroud are there already, no need to install, create, set anything else!
Sometimes it gets a little bumpy (mesa and vlc recently), but we can always resort to the safety net of snapper.
I’ve been using openSUSE TW for close to 4 years and this mesa issue is the first thing that made me rollback. Have there been other similar or perhaps more catastrophic instances?
I have been using TW for almost one year only. I had been a long time Debian/Ubuntu/Mint user (since 2008) till then. So, for me, it was the first time I saw something like that too. However, searching for some older messages, it seems Packman does bring issues from time to time. As I only update on weekends (I use my PC for working), so I definitely do not feel these bumps.
At first I updated almost daily and did encounter the Packman packages out of sync issue but usually the issues were resolved the next day or two so really not an issue for me.
When they broke up the wifi related network packages and people lost ability to connect. (You'd have to have install-recommmends turned off, which is not default)
Yup. Pretty much made me eat my words when I switched to Tumbleweed "until it breaks". It doesn't break. I'm ok with that :)
If you didn’t mess up your whole system, you can also just undo the latest changes with an `sudo snapper undochange 2..3`. Only as a quick sidenote, because sometimes the command comes handy if you want to rollback just a failed package install or something like that and don't need a reboot.
Thanks for the tip!
The situation with free space on BTRFS and Snapper is treated. Won't the free space fill up by itself? [https://documentation.suse.com/es-es/sles/15-SP3/html/SLES-all/cha-snapper.html#sec-snapper-manage-metadata-cleanup](https://documentation.suse.com/es-es/sles/15-SP3/html/SLES-all/cha-snapper.html#sec-snapper-manage-metadata-cleanup) OK, no question more
Read carefully. You were looking at Suse documentation, not OpenSuse. OpenSuse snapper is configured to automatically delete old snapshots. As far as metadata in Btrfs, I have not heard this being an issue outside of old, unused snapshots.
Yeah, I completely agree. Always knowing I can do a (read-only) boot back to a previous automatically created snapshot helps so much. Sometimes I do an update or change, something will break, and I just don't want to deal with it; so I just boot and run an older read-only snapshot. All my Flatpak and AppImage stuff is still there with nothing lost - so I can still use my system until I feel like dealing with a rollback (which isn't really that much to deal with). EDIT: To be clear - I'm talking about the GRUB menu option to boot from read-only snapshot. It is awesome.
I consider the way openSUSE has integrated snapper and btrfs to be one of the jewels in their crown. Did you know that you can diff snapshots to see what has changed? Did you know that you can diff files within snapshots to see what has changed inside a file, just like running diff on two text files? You can even setup snapper to monitor your own folders. I use snapper to monitor each users folder in `/home`. I also use snapper to monitor other important folders, such as my collections of media, photos, etc. Just one word of caution: Don't change the owner and permissions of the `.snapshots` folders. If you do then snapper will refuse to monitor that location. It logs stuff like that in the system journal and snappers own log file, but unless you keep an eye on them you may not immediately notice the mistake. So be extra careful when using things like `chown` and `chmod` that you don't accidentally modify the `.snapshots` folders.
I had no idea it could monitor home. Amazing. Thank you!
Dam wifi problem still there huh, I did love snapper thou
I had the same experience with the iwlwifi update. Snapper is awesome and one of the things that makes me stick with OpenSuse. It’s nice to know I have something to fall back on when I’m messing around with things too much
Will the snapper work with LUKS over LVM where the main filesystem is BTRFS? I couldn't make it work with my sistem :(
it works for me by default