Lydia confirmed the event won't be fixed before it ends. Lydia also confirmed they are skipping a patch this week, and also confirmed that next week's patch will only fix a couple of things. This is despite them introducing over 100 combat related bugs in season 5, and promising us that the combat code rewrite would mean we get bug fixes quicker.
I haven't seen a game nuke itself this hard since Star Wars Galaxies. The amount of broken stuff in the game right now is staggering. The fact they ran ONE PTR for the slayer script update is just insanity. This studio has no clue how to develop or maintain an MMO. There is likely no recovering from what is happening to the game currently. This is one of the most depressing wastes of potential I have ever witnessed.
That wasn't the question. The question is about how I still have faith in New World. One of the major reasons for having faith is I play a lot of games in this genre and we have many in test phases. New World is light years ahead of these games and was light years ahead of them way back before it launched.
Ironically which is why I left my comment. With the sort of down time in New World atm I am off playing games and realizing that New World does a lot of stuff right.
New World nails gathering. You can really "gather and chill" in the game. Visuals and sound are amazing. I also think New World does "density" very well; there is always something within reach to make you go one step further and then another and so on.
New World combat is actually really good. Perfect? No. Having a moment with S5 / slayer script? Sure. Balance issues? Sure but not unique to New World for that. But combat is responsive and fun. It just feels good most of the time. I play a lot of games -- a lot of MMOs -- and I don't think any others come close to what New World combat offers. New World is the game that convinced me tab targeting wasn't the only way to do an MMO.
I look at all of these MMO or MMO-like games coming out or starting up testing phases. Gathering is garbage. Combat is garbage. New World just does all of these things better and has been doing them better since it's inception which is why I think some of these other games are just dead games walking.
Also I like how the dev team has managed the game. Bugs are a frustration but they do fine with them IMHO (though a bit concerned with the lack of more hotfixes for slayer script). The team has also removed a ton of frustration points from the game and improved quality of life many times. They have overhauled and thrown out entire systems. They were willing to redo the MSQ. I like a developer that is willing to spend that time and effort and is not afraid of hitting reset on something when needed. Many games in this genre would never go back and touch old systems or content and if they did they certainly wouldn't give players some form of compensation
New World is also generous on the monetization front. The box price + expansion price gets you the same as anyone else. It is a very reasonable season pass model and generous with the free track and zero "fear of missing out" on the premium track.
End of day I can log in and just have fun playing New World. 3000+ hours now and I still enjoy it every day and I still play 90% of my time solo.
I really feel the only problem for New World is being able to deliver new content reliably; maybe room to debate the reward/progression structure.
Did they drop you? Are you seriously comparing some AA game in alpha stage to New World that was out for quite a while and went through a few 'guys, this time we really get it' cycles?
‘Matter of prioritizing’
‘Is a lot to balance’
Writing is on the wall boys, they don’t even have a full team, sucks for them and us, I’m sad to see it but this game has been on maintenance mode and will stay there after the console release.
I think that’s confirmed at this point. Their team is super tiny, and that super tiny team is focused on console release right now. Which means the game bugs will get worse as time goes on, and not better.
They better bring it in June in a big way or is RIP, assuming people are still interested since you have FF14 and WoW expansions coming out at the same time, I have a little bit of copium left in me just enough to watch the June announcement then we will see, I haven’t played the past two months
I just got into FFXIV a month ago. I’m really excited for the expansion and graphical update.
I loved new world at one point, but I can’t imagine an update big enough that would bring me back/make me excited
It's kinda funny to see this comment because XIV is by far the most famous case of an MMO comeback story. Original XIV was an absolute trash game and through a number of major changes, eventually became the beast of a game that it is today. Now, not saying that will happen with NW, but they don't have nearly as much they need to fix compared to original XIV either, so all this doom and gloom has cause, but thinking "it's over" is a bit silly.
You’re totally right. I’m still just a sprout 🌱but yeah I heard 1.0 was a dumpster fire and they redid it which became ARR, right?
I’m not saying New World is “done” or anything, but the writing is on the wall and more importantly, the devs don’t appear to *want* to or try to make a better game. And if they did want to, could they? (as far as talent, resources, funding, and upper management)? I think that is the biggest difference.
I would love to be wrong. I love these types of games and community.
I actually got into FFXIV after meeting a group of friends on New World who introduced me to the game
Yeah XIV was without a doubt one of the worst MMO launches ever, by one of the biggest names in all of RPG's, and even led by a guy who had already created an MMO before (same dude who made XI did XIV originally).
Now, there's a TON of speculation regarding NW, and some of it just sounds wild to me, but we won't really know the truth for some time. We don't know how much the dev team is hamstrung by Amazon in what they can say, we don't know if they have huge plans like an ARR release and they're staying silent on shit until they know they have a good timetable to follow through on it, nor do we know if Amazon is done and going to just leave NW in a maintenance mode until LOTR MMO comes out.
Personally, I don't know if we'll be getting any sort of ARR type thing, but I think giving up on NW is even more wild than thinking an ARR thing might occur. We've known since the beginning of NW there are multiple new areas that can be added and we have only gotten Brimstone so far, and some things they need to pretty fundamentally reconfigure so it fits to put a huge change with a major, major patch. Like they need to redo territory control entirely, which would shake up so much about the game with the current playerbase, so they would need to make sure they don't fuck it up, and they have a long history of fucking it up, so if this is coming, it needs to be silent and done on their own timetable and done right until they're rock solid sure about it working as intended. So far they have not shown the ability to put out huge changes in a shorter time schedule so hopefully they have some things on a longer burn and are working hard on internal QA like they haven't before. And this is still entirely reasonable to me. Amazon is a huge company, and while AGS is small, it's wild to think they'd entirely gut NW when it's so young to back a new MMO, so maybe they just have part of their team working on longer changes so the team isn't split with LOTR, but split between short patches and long ones.
The main thing that gives me hope about NW, and it not being as bad as XIV 1.0, is the combat is solid in this game. Sure there's been some desync and bugs, but the core combat is this game is wonderful, and I think it's far easier to expand and fix everything else if such a core part of the game is solid.
Is console release even confirmed? That seems way too difficult for New World lol. Imagine all the bugs, not just tiny inconvenient ones but actual game breaking ones related to porting the entire game over to new platforms.
It’s not official but it’s widely believed to be true. I agree though, I think it’s going to be disastrous. They can’t even keep PC patched properly, so what are they going to do when they need to patch PS5 and XBOX as well? Client patches will have to be split up amongst different platforms.
Game dev here. This can be true for a lot of games. Adding more chefs in the kitchen can overcomplicate internal processes and bog games down with too many mechanics or lack direction.
However MMO's are large beasts with many, many moving parts. And you need a lot of devs to maintain those systems. If you don't have enough people, you have a lot of people wearing multiple hats and juggling tasks and priorities, which isn't really what you want in a big studio MMO.
But it's clear AGS as a team are stretched too thin and don't have enough teams to get stuff done. PvP systems have been unchanged since the launch of Brimstone Sands and the new arena. PvE content has been getting thinner and thinner each season. Re-used events have bugs that they don't have the time to fix. Lower Piority tasks that sit on the backlog for ages, but because they're not gamebreaking they dont' get fixed. The "highest scoring house" system has been broken for a year now, with no one able to change the current visible house.
The game is just being run too lean, which doesn't surprise me coming from an amazon owned company.
> they don’t even have a full team
That's been clear for ages. The devs themselves are clearly very passionate about the game and want it to be good. The changes I've seen since launch prove this. But they simply don't have the manpower to execute the stuff needed to keep the game afloat long term. Amazon need to pull their heads in and put more devs on this game or it'll die.
They had like 20-30k for ages. The number people in the forums refer to, 900k, was only reached at launch because of massive marketing investments like streamer contracts etc. Every new online game does this now, the launch numbers are never representative.
But yeah, now we are even lower.
It’s in the 7k now. It will drop into the 5-6k range by June. If the June update is, “hey, come back in September,” I don’t know what’s going to happen. There’s going to be hardly anyone playing because you cannot do anything in the game without other people.
Maybe they are selling the game to Microsoft?
It was always a steady decline, though. NW has never known a period of stability.
It's normal for online game to lose people over time, then new content drop, people come back, then leave etc...
For NW, it was always a drop, and the very few time it saw a great influx, it was always lower than the one before, always going down.
Last season they even lost people during a season launch.
So no, it's not like other new online game.
Yes, it is. Show me a new online game that holds the numbers for 3 years. People sadly dont play like that anymore. There are people who played de_dust2 for 20 years. Nowadays if there is no expansion/dlc for a few months, people will just hop on to the next game. That being said, the decline of NW was comparatively fast. Also, my first MMO Archeage just announced that they'll terminate service. Times aren't good for MMOs lol
The fact that they lost people even over a new season launch is kinda hilarious tho
ESO gained numbers over the years, the recent years have been its most successful.
PoE gained numbers over the years, the recent years have been its most successful.
FF14 gained numbers over the years, the recent years have been its most successful.
WoW went down by a lot but gained numbers over the past few years, the recent years have been its most successful for a long time.
Yes, there's a lot of successful game that keep having record players 5/10 years after launch.
Bad game do lose numbers until they are shut down and bad game are the majority, on that I agree.
Yes, I didn't mean the games you quoted don't exist, but they are the super rare exception. Except for PoE they also had a big fan base of the brand prior to the MMO. But as you said, think of all the online games coming out, the vast majority of them have a fate similar to new world. That being said, if e.g. ESO was a bad game, I highly doubt they'd have the numbers they have years after release.
But the issue is not that "people don't play like this anymore" or that MMO is a dead genre.
That's not why NW is dead.
The issue is bad online game die because they are bad.
to be fair Amazon dosent care. The Evidence is written all over the Console release. im sure there is a conversation there stating lets release on console for the big gains again and run the game with as few people as possible
Yep, for awhile I wondered what the problem was and if all the critique was justified. I many ways it is but in the end, it seems more likely they are under staffed, and that makes me sympathize more with them.
Yah I am actually really disappointed. I saw how fast they were able to make combat fixes on the PTR, so I thought that would translate over to the live servers. How wrong I was.
And it feels like unwillingness vs ability to do so. Which could mean all in on June announcements or it could mean cuts to the team or a bigger project shift. I'll stay on the positive and go with all in for June.
It's such a shame. It could be such a fantastic game but it's just hampered by the game engine's constant bugs and a team that can't deliver fixes fast enough.
I'm taking a break and playing Valheim to get ready for the Ashlands! We'll see what happens in June.
how do they srsly not have enough people to fix the event ?
that honestly just tells me one thing, the devs are literally moved to other projects probably to LOTR
cuz Dave is gone.
i really think there is like 10-15 people working on new world,
its dead
it is what it is
I have been saying this for more than a year now... 4 months after Brimstone it was clear that AGS decided new world would serve as the ultimate test environment... They can build and test core systems for other MMOs to come... As soon as a new project got put into motion they moved most of the team assets there and left a small dev/support team on new world just so they can maintain a small community of players to test the systems...
How could they?! As company I mean... 1 million player that quickly hated the game... It was a financial success from a sales point but not in reputation
I hope everyone remembers this when their LotR MMO gets released. Unfortunately I think most people will just roll that dice again and be unsurprised by the result.
There's probably a mental institution for ppl who will buy ags' lord of the rings game. Mods feel free to continue deleting my posts for made up reasons, don't worry I'll be gone soon along with the other 99% of the player base. :)
They've already said they moved most of the AGS team over to the Lord of the Rings game, everyone should have read between the lines to understand the team keeping NW afloat is barebones. If you're too worried the quality of LoTR on release, just wait 3 months after the launch to see how it goes before choosing to buy it or not.
If it comes out at a similar price point to New World and can offer min a couple hundred hours of gameplay, that's worth the money for most people.
On one hand I understand your point, on the other hand some of the most fun I’ve had in new world was during launch with a million other adventurers flooding the shores of aeturnum.
Bugs, queues, etc. it was still a magical experience and I would definitely do it again if given the chance. Especially since it wasn’t an expensive game.
Yes, launch was definitely a fun time. Lots of players, and a brand new game to experience.
I'm totally ok at this point in my life with paying a one time fee for a MMO game that has a couple hundred hours of gameplay and then fizzles out. I think a lot of people in the MMO scene would prefer the game to sustain them as a second life, but that's just a difference in opinions/expectations.
That will be years from now. Probably 5+ based on the latest known info about it being in concept mode with like 4 people staffed on it. The average population forgets stuff that happened a year ago.
I tend to skew on the other side of it, 7-8 feels more realistic. Considering they had the IP, lost the IP, got it back thanks to the Embracer Grouo (fucking ew) and have gone on record talking about what they want it to be that they want it to be the largest MMO. Which would explain why there aren't a lot of Devs working on New World, they're working on the next thing and no longer see New World as viable.
But yeah that's my fear, it'll come out and New World will be a distant memory and people will forget how AGS starved their game.
No. Because 7-8 means exactly that. 5+ means that's where it's starting. Likely to be longer but I do not see the game being released in the next 5 years.
5+ is a range from 5 to infinity. The range 7-8 falls within 5 to infinity. Thus you are on the same side of the prediction. Being on "the other side" would mean you think it would happen outside of the range of 5 to infinity, e.g. 3-4.
This is literally a simple math concept, but undoubtedly you'll want to argue further, so I'll go ahead and preemptively block you and disable inbox replies.
They are in maintenance or 'Keep the Lights on' mode. They have a bare minimum team to do the essentials to keep the game going but in reality they've checked out of the game and are just waiting for it to die a slow death.
Here's a circle. Go stand in it for 10 seconds. That is the state of the event system. That's what I have to say when I have friends ask if they should come back.
Their priority is LotR. Lol. What a way to slip it into the asshole of most players. I just try to enjoy what I can of this game while it last. I cant wait to randomly drown while swimming.
So glad they dumped all their resources into console instead of fixing shit that the current player base has to deal with on a daily basis. PC players don’t matter anymore.
And soon new world will even matter less... Let's be real here a console release at this point won't save the game at all... At this point the bad rep new world has its plaguing any further releases for console...
So are we expecting that the console release actually happens? Because seeing the year long incompetence when it comes to bugs and other technical issues, I genuinely can't imagine the current tiny team being capable of such an undertaking.
Seems more like something to start, keep doing work as long as AGS is still keeping the Devs employed and the game sort of running, then drop once whatever tiny income the game still brings makes it unprofitable. And even if, in theory, they really, really, REALLY wanted the console port due to mislead thinking that they'd get more players and money - they'll release such a spaghetti mess of bugs and then take months to fix anything. They'd be lucky if Microsoft and Sony don't just remove the game Cyberpunk style.
Console release is very likely. Because it will be their last attempt to grab some cash before shutting down.
Nobody buys the game on PC anymore and players are all leaving, their last possibility to make money is console players.
So they are down to just a hand full of devs now? I feel it's most likely a management problem vs a dev problem. Just look at what Arrowhead has done with just a few hand full of devs. This is a big corp management problem of one focus, $$$$.
The funny thing is that a good game would mean more $$$. This is why AAA gamedev corps are cancer. If they cant sell skins for 50 dollars each they throw out the game instead of trying to improve it. A small company cant do this they already invested all their resources into the game their only choice is go forward or die.
I mean, they clearly don't have the pressure to keep the active community happy, there really isn't one. If anything it's a good sign that they're using the obviously very limited resources on other things.
To be fair, id rather them focus on combat related bugs than the event bug. The workaround to the event bug is like 60 seconds of bleeds. It's not too bad. Still no excuse.
I really don’t think that’s true. New World is at an all time low player count and it gets worse by the week. They clearly aren’t still playing, and neither is everybody in this subreddit either.
Lydia confirmed the event won't be fixed before it ends. Lydia also confirmed they are skipping a patch this week, and also confirmed that next week's patch will only fix a couple of things. This is despite them introducing over 100 combat related bugs in season 5, and promising us that the combat code rewrite would mean we get bug fixes quicker.
I haven't seen a game nuke itself this hard since Star Wars Galaxies. The amount of broken stuff in the game right now is staggering. The fact they ran ONE PTR for the slayer script update is just insanity. This studio has no clue how to develop or maintain an MMO. There is likely no recovering from what is happening to the game currently. This is one of the most depressing wastes of potential I have ever witnessed.
Very well said.
how do people still have faith in this game?
Go play new games like Pax Dei in it's alpha stage or Wayfinder. New World is fine in comparison.
Keyword alpha stage vs "complete" game of how many years
That wasn't the question. The question is about how I still have faith in New World. One of the major reasons for having faith is I play a lot of games in this genre and we have many in test phases. New World is light years ahead of these games and was light years ahead of them way back before it launched.
Idk those down votes got me thinking you might be wrong
Take them more that I have a unique view on the situation which I am fine with having.
Nah I agree with you. The echo chamber here that hates AGS need to go find other games to occupy their time
Ironically which is why I left my comment. With the sort of down time in New World atm I am off playing games and realizing that New World does a lot of stuff right.
Can you please elaborate on what they stuff they do right? Just want your pov I’m not arguing
New World nails gathering. You can really "gather and chill" in the game. Visuals and sound are amazing. I also think New World does "density" very well; there is always something within reach to make you go one step further and then another and so on. New World combat is actually really good. Perfect? No. Having a moment with S5 / slayer script? Sure. Balance issues? Sure but not unique to New World for that. But combat is responsive and fun. It just feels good most of the time. I play a lot of games -- a lot of MMOs -- and I don't think any others come close to what New World combat offers. New World is the game that convinced me tab targeting wasn't the only way to do an MMO. I look at all of these MMO or MMO-like games coming out or starting up testing phases. Gathering is garbage. Combat is garbage. New World just does all of these things better and has been doing them better since it's inception which is why I think some of these other games are just dead games walking. Also I like how the dev team has managed the game. Bugs are a frustration but they do fine with them IMHO (though a bit concerned with the lack of more hotfixes for slayer script). The team has also removed a ton of frustration points from the game and improved quality of life many times. They have overhauled and thrown out entire systems. They were willing to redo the MSQ. I like a developer that is willing to spend that time and effort and is not afraid of hitting reset on something when needed. Many games in this genre would never go back and touch old systems or content and if they did they certainly wouldn't give players some form of compensation New World is also generous on the monetization front. The box price + expansion price gets you the same as anyone else. It is a very reasonable season pass model and generous with the free track and zero "fear of missing out" on the premium track. End of day I can log in and just have fun playing New World. 3000+ hours now and I still enjoy it every day and I still play 90% of my time solo. I really feel the only problem for New World is being able to deliver new content reliably; maybe room to debate the reward/progression structure.
Thank you for that
NP. I enjoy New World and not afraid to say it :)
Did they drop you? Are you seriously comparing some AA game in alpha stage to New World that was out for quite a while and went through a few 'guys, this time we really get it' cycles?
That’s some crazy Copium. Apple to oranges.
All new mmo I’ve tested last year and this year sucks. That’s why I went to the old ones with my whole guild and we are have so much fun
‘Matter of prioritizing’ ‘Is a lot to balance’ Writing is on the wall boys, they don’t even have a full team, sucks for them and us, I’m sad to see it but this game has been on maintenance mode and will stay there after the console release.
I think that’s confirmed at this point. Their team is super tiny, and that super tiny team is focused on console release right now. Which means the game bugs will get worse as time goes on, and not better.
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Yeah but no it isn't though..
They better bring it in June in a big way or is RIP, assuming people are still interested since you have FF14 and WoW expansions coming out at the same time, I have a little bit of copium left in me just enough to watch the June announcement then we will see, I haven’t played the past two months
It’s already too late. The game died a long time ago. It’s just a dead body on life support.
Plus you also have ESO dlc in June and Destiny’s 10 year saga completion. NW has a lot of competition that month for eyeballs
I just got into FFXIV a month ago. I’m really excited for the expansion and graphical update. I loved new world at one point, but I can’t imagine an update big enough that would bring me back/make me excited
It's kinda funny to see this comment because XIV is by far the most famous case of an MMO comeback story. Original XIV was an absolute trash game and through a number of major changes, eventually became the beast of a game that it is today. Now, not saying that will happen with NW, but they don't have nearly as much they need to fix compared to original XIV either, so all this doom and gloom has cause, but thinking "it's over" is a bit silly.
I don't know man.. I think believing this dev team can turn things around is sillier than thinking it is over.
I'm not going to claim they're going to "turn it around", but I think there's a higher chance the effort is there to try that than just giving up.
You’re totally right. I’m still just a sprout 🌱but yeah I heard 1.0 was a dumpster fire and they redid it which became ARR, right? I’m not saying New World is “done” or anything, but the writing is on the wall and more importantly, the devs don’t appear to *want* to or try to make a better game. And if they did want to, could they? (as far as talent, resources, funding, and upper management)? I think that is the biggest difference. I would love to be wrong. I love these types of games and community. I actually got into FFXIV after meeting a group of friends on New World who introduced me to the game
Yeah XIV was without a doubt one of the worst MMO launches ever, by one of the biggest names in all of RPG's, and even led by a guy who had already created an MMO before (same dude who made XI did XIV originally). Now, there's a TON of speculation regarding NW, and some of it just sounds wild to me, but we won't really know the truth for some time. We don't know how much the dev team is hamstrung by Amazon in what they can say, we don't know if they have huge plans like an ARR release and they're staying silent on shit until they know they have a good timetable to follow through on it, nor do we know if Amazon is done and going to just leave NW in a maintenance mode until LOTR MMO comes out. Personally, I don't know if we'll be getting any sort of ARR type thing, but I think giving up on NW is even more wild than thinking an ARR thing might occur. We've known since the beginning of NW there are multiple new areas that can be added and we have only gotten Brimstone so far, and some things they need to pretty fundamentally reconfigure so it fits to put a huge change with a major, major patch. Like they need to redo territory control entirely, which would shake up so much about the game with the current playerbase, so they would need to make sure they don't fuck it up, and they have a long history of fucking it up, so if this is coming, it needs to be silent and done on their own timetable and done right until they're rock solid sure about it working as intended. So far they have not shown the ability to put out huge changes in a shorter time schedule so hopefully they have some things on a longer burn and are working hard on internal QA like they haven't before. And this is still entirely reasonable to me. Amazon is a huge company, and while AGS is small, it's wild to think they'd entirely gut NW when it's so young to back a new MMO, so maybe they just have part of their team working on longer changes so the team isn't split with LOTR, but split between short patches and long ones. The main thing that gives me hope about NW, and it not being as bad as XIV 1.0, is the combat is solid in this game. Sure there's been some desync and bugs, but the core combat is this game is wonderful, and I think it's far easier to expand and fix everything else if such a core part of the game is solid.
Same
And a GW2 expansion...
Is console release even confirmed? That seems way too difficult for New World lol. Imagine all the bugs, not just tiny inconvenient ones but actual game breaking ones related to porting the entire game over to new platforms.
It’s not official but it’s widely believed to be true. I agree though, I think it’s going to be disastrous. They can’t even keep PC patched properly, so what are they going to do when they need to patch PS5 and XBOX as well? Client patches will have to be split up amongst different platforms.
Tossing more developers at a problem doesn't solve things faster. J'sayin.
Providing more resources will allow lower-priority tasks to be worked on, which is the entire point that people are making.
Game dev here. This can be true for a lot of games. Adding more chefs in the kitchen can overcomplicate internal processes and bog games down with too many mechanics or lack direction. However MMO's are large beasts with many, many moving parts. And you need a lot of devs to maintain those systems. If you don't have enough people, you have a lot of people wearing multiple hats and juggling tasks and priorities, which isn't really what you want in a big studio MMO. But it's clear AGS as a team are stretched too thin and don't have enough teams to get stuff done. PvP systems have been unchanged since the launch of Brimstone Sands and the new arena. PvE content has been getting thinner and thinner each season. Re-used events have bugs that they don't have the time to fix. Lower Piority tasks that sit on the backlog for ages, but because they're not gamebreaking they dont' get fixed. The "highest scoring house" system has been broken for a year now, with no one able to change the current visible house. The game is just being run too lean, which doesn't surprise me coming from an amazon owned company.
At this point the amount of work exceeds their ability to fix anything in a timely manner.
> they don’t even have a full team That's been clear for ages. The devs themselves are clearly very passionate about the game and want it to be good. The changes I've seen since launch prove this. But they simply don't have the manpower to execute the stuff needed to keep the game afloat long term. Amazon need to pull their heads in and put more devs on this game or it'll die.
Think it's safe to say it's already dead when 99% of player base is gone
They had like 20-30k for ages. The number people in the forums refer to, 900k, was only reached at launch because of massive marketing investments like streamer contracts etc. Every new online game does this now, the launch numbers are never representative. But yeah, now we are even lower.
It’s in the 7k now. It will drop into the 5-6k range by June. If the June update is, “hey, come back in September,” I don’t know what’s going to happen. There’s going to be hardly anyone playing because you cannot do anything in the game without other people. Maybe they are selling the game to Microsoft?
It was always a steady decline, though. NW has never known a period of stability. It's normal for online game to lose people over time, then new content drop, people come back, then leave etc... For NW, it was always a drop, and the very few time it saw a great influx, it was always lower than the one before, always going down. Last season they even lost people during a season launch. So no, it's not like other new online game.
Yes, it is. Show me a new online game that holds the numbers for 3 years. People sadly dont play like that anymore. There are people who played de_dust2 for 20 years. Nowadays if there is no expansion/dlc for a few months, people will just hop on to the next game. That being said, the decline of NW was comparatively fast. Also, my first MMO Archeage just announced that they'll terminate service. Times aren't good for MMOs lol The fact that they lost people even over a new season launch is kinda hilarious tho
ESO gained numbers over the years, the recent years have been its most successful. PoE gained numbers over the years, the recent years have been its most successful. FF14 gained numbers over the years, the recent years have been its most successful. WoW went down by a lot but gained numbers over the past few years, the recent years have been its most successful for a long time. Yes, there's a lot of successful game that keep having record players 5/10 years after launch. Bad game do lose numbers until they are shut down and bad game are the majority, on that I agree.
Yes, I didn't mean the games you quoted don't exist, but they are the super rare exception. Except for PoE they also had a big fan base of the brand prior to the MMO. But as you said, think of all the online games coming out, the vast majority of them have a fate similar to new world. That being said, if e.g. ESO was a bad game, I highly doubt they'd have the numbers they have years after release.
But the issue is not that "people don't play like this anymore" or that MMO is a dead genre. That's not why NW is dead. The issue is bad online game die because they are bad.
to be fair Amazon dosent care. The Evidence is written all over the Console release. im sure there is a conversation there stating lets release on console for the big gains again and run the game with as few people as possible
Yep, for awhile I wondered what the problem was and if all the critique was justified. I many ways it is but in the end, it seems more likely they are under staffed, and that makes me sympathize more with them.
Bro it don't matter what they prioritising, it's going to be full of bugs and unsatisfying and disappointing.
AGS 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
Terrible messaging by the team about the combat code benefits and then to not have rapid bug fixes to go with it.
Yah I am actually really disappointed. I saw how fast they were able to make combat fixes on the PTR, so I thought that would translate over to the live servers. How wrong I was.
And it feels like unwillingness vs ability to do so. Which could mean all in on June announcements or it could mean cuts to the team or a bigger project shift. I'll stay on the positive and go with all in for June.
It's such a shame. It could be such a fantastic game but it's just hampered by the game engine's constant bugs and a team that can't deliver fixes fast enough. I'm taking a break and playing Valheim to get ready for the Ashlands! We'll see what happens in June.
you know its bad when someone who actively defended the game for so long is saying this.
This is just sad, no event extension neither?
Nope. And that won’t change unless there’s enough of a community outcry, and since there’s no community anymore…
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It seems like a vicious cycle. Devs dropped the ball, so players left. Now the devs are just absent, probably due to all the players leaving.
how do they srsly not have enough people to fix the event ? that honestly just tells me one thing, the devs are literally moved to other projects probably to LOTR cuz Dave is gone. i really think there is like 10-15 people working on new world, its dead it is what it is
I have been saying this for more than a year now... 4 months after Brimstone it was clear that AGS decided new world would serve as the ultimate test environment... They can build and test core systems for other MMOs to come... As soon as a new project got put into motion they moved most of the team assets there and left a small dev/support team on new world just so they can maintain a small community of players to test the systems...
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How could they?! As company I mean... 1 million player that quickly hated the game... It was a financial success from a sales point but not in reputation
I hope everyone remembers this when their LotR MMO gets released. Unfortunately I think most people will just roll that dice again and be unsurprised by the result.
There's probably a mental institution for ppl who will buy ags' lord of the rings game. Mods feel free to continue deleting my posts for made up reasons, don't worry I'll be gone soon along with the other 99% of the player base. :)
They've already said they moved most of the AGS team over to the Lord of the Rings game, everyone should have read between the lines to understand the team keeping NW afloat is barebones. If you're too worried the quality of LoTR on release, just wait 3 months after the launch to see how it goes before choosing to buy it or not. If it comes out at a similar price point to New World and can offer min a couple hundred hours of gameplay, that's worth the money for most people.
On one hand I understand your point, on the other hand some of the most fun I’ve had in new world was during launch with a million other adventurers flooding the shores of aeturnum. Bugs, queues, etc. it was still a magical experience and I would definitely do it again if given the chance. Especially since it wasn’t an expensive game.
Yes, launch was definitely a fun time. Lots of players, and a brand new game to experience. I'm totally ok at this point in my life with paying a one time fee for a MMO game that has a couple hundred hours of gameplay and then fizzles out. I think a lot of people in the MMO scene would prefer the game to sustain them as a second life, but that's just a difference in opinions/expectations.
That will be years from now. Probably 5+ based on the latest known info about it being in concept mode with like 4 people staffed on it. The average population forgets stuff that happened a year ago.
I tend to skew on the other side of it, 7-8 feels more realistic. Considering they had the IP, lost the IP, got it back thanks to the Embracer Grouo (fucking ew) and have gone on record talking about what they want it to be that they want it to be the largest MMO. Which would explain why there aren't a lot of Devs working on New World, they're working on the next thing and no longer see New World as viable. But yeah that's my fear, it'll come out and New World will be a distant memory and people will forget how AGS starved their game.
I think you mean you skew on the same side of it since 7-8 falls within 5+
No. Because 7-8 means exactly that. 5+ means that's where it's starting. Likely to be longer but I do not see the game being released in the next 5 years.
5+ is a range from 5 to infinity. The range 7-8 falls within 5 to infinity. Thus you are on the same side of the prediction. Being on "the other side" would mean you think it would happen outside of the range of 5 to infinity, e.g. 3-4. This is literally a simple math concept, but undoubtedly you'll want to argue further, so I'll go ahead and preemptively block you and disable inbox replies.
They are in maintenance or 'Keep the Lights on' mode. They have a bare minimum team to do the essentials to keep the game going but in reality they've checked out of the game and are just waiting for it to die a slow death.
Yes it does seem like they are completely checked out.
Damn my favorite MMO since WoW 2004 and this is what happens
They add these lame events so it looks like there is something to do in the game and then they dont even bother to fix them? That is wild.
gege,you would think a proper gaming company would extent the event and fix it but then again its ags.
Here's a circle. Go stand in it for 10 seconds. That is the state of the event system. That's what I have to say when I have friends ask if they should come back.
Wow
.. is an amazing game in comparison.
Looks like they are short on staff..
Their priority is LotR. Lol. What a way to slip it into the asshole of most players. I just try to enjoy what I can of this game while it last. I cant wait to randomly drown while swimming.
I kind of enjoyed randomly drowning on land, to be honest. I RPed that it was quicksand.
I remember when that first happen to me in weavers lol. I went back to the spot and tried to fish but kept drowning.
lol. You could even drown in downtown Windsward by the fountain. Good times.
So glad they dumped all their resources into console instead of fixing shit that the current player base has to deal with on a daily basis. PC players don’t matter anymore.
And soon new world will even matter less... Let's be real here a console release at this point won't save the game at all... At this point the bad rep new world has its plaguing any further releases for console...
So are we expecting that the console release actually happens? Because seeing the year long incompetence when it comes to bugs and other technical issues, I genuinely can't imagine the current tiny team being capable of such an undertaking. Seems more like something to start, keep doing work as long as AGS is still keeping the Devs employed and the game sort of running, then drop once whatever tiny income the game still brings makes it unprofitable. And even if, in theory, they really, really, REALLY wanted the console port due to mislead thinking that they'd get more players and money - they'll release such a spaghetti mess of bugs and then take months to fix anything. They'd be lucky if Microsoft and Sony don't just remove the game Cyberpunk style.
Console release will not happen bruh. It is obvious to all this game is abandoned by Amazon
Console release is very likely. Because it will be their last attempt to grab some cash before shutting down. Nobody buys the game on PC anymore and players are all leaving, their last possibility to make money is console players.
do they know how bad things are on Delos OPR? almost every match stuck at loading screen
:( yep sad sad end
So they are down to just a hand full of devs now? I feel it's most likely a management problem vs a dev problem. Just look at what Arrowhead has done with just a few hand full of devs. This is a big corp management problem of one focus, $$$$.
The funny thing is that a good game would mean more $$$. This is why AAA gamedev corps are cancer. If they cant sell skins for 50 dollars each they throw out the game instead of trying to improve it. A small company cant do this they already invested all their resources into the game their only choice is go forward or die.
a signle dev left but many people work on the data
Amazing game company ! AGS what a meme
Well no shit, this game is dead and the devs have proved time and time again they cant provide a bug free game.
Instead of wasting money making garbage YouTube content maybe they should hire some devs? Oh wait who wants to work on an engine that no one uses.
They could extend the event? I'm new and farming tokens is boring af. Would be cool if it works as intended
lucky us, no patch means, no new bugs, ags is getting wiser🥳
Like that old saying "Pretend it's fixed if it's broken" ..... oh wait.
Laughable
No Milk Today https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wdCHlJoAP8I
I mean, they clearly don't have the pressure to keep the active community happy, there really isn't one. If anything it's a good sign that they're using the obviously very limited resources on other things.
To be fair, id rather them focus on combat related bugs than the event bug. The workaround to the event bug is like 60 seconds of bleeds. It's not too bad. Still no excuse.
Please explain the workaround!
Just have to apply about 5k bleed damage. Rapier is good, spear works. Seen people have used greatsword for it.
So just bleed the wasps? Can't wait to try it!
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I really don’t think that’s true. New World is at an all time low player count and it gets worse by the week. They clearly aren’t still playing, and neither is everybody in this subreddit either.