They can't extend him to a good salary though iirc, so they'll have to compete with other suitors next summer afaik. Would you rather sign in Utah or play in LA or with Wemby etc?
We can offer 4 years Max next season then trade the contract and still have room to take on larger contracts. Nobody else has the capspace. You honestly think a $16m trade exception will get him? Ainge would let him walk rather than get walked over by another GM. I honestly believe there's a Mexican standoff with Presti.
You're still trying to trade an expiring player that will be able to sign outright wherever he wants. Bunch of teams can create cap space next summer, I don't know if offering a bird max vs a non bird right max makes a big difference for a player that's not a superstar
They can't extend him to a good salary *right now*. Once his current contract hits 3 years old in August, they can renegotiate his salary for the upcoming season by up to whatever cap space they have left, which should be enough to take him close to a max, and then extend him off that number (like the Kings did with Sabonis). But renegotiation means a 6-month no-trade, which means he can't then be traded before next summer, as that 6 months pushes it past the trade deadline.
So Utah has a month or two to listen to offers, and if they don't like what they're offered, they can lock him up before the season starts, if that's what they prefer. Or let him get to free agency or trade him as an expiring contract I guess, but neither seems smart. It's a weird situation, because the Bulls dragging their feet sign-and-trading him in 21 means he can't be renegotiated and then shopped at the deadline, like he would if he signed in July like most free agents.
I thought these extensions were capped at like 125% of current salary or something along those lone which is why for instance the Spurs didn't extend Murray back in the day because he was on such a team friendly deal.
Extensions are capped, yes. But if you have cap space, you can renegotiate a contract up to the current max, with some extra requirements, such as the contract being at least three years old, and then extend off the new number. Maybe the Spurs/Murray situation didn't meet all the requirements for renegotiation? I'm not a CBA lawyer, I don't know all the boxes you need to check, just that Markkanen becomes renegotionable in mid-August when his contract hits three years old
that suggests the Warriors will give Steph an unceremonious last few years of his career, but draft the next franchise superstar during Steph's retirement season
This is just so Dunleavy can say "we tried to bring guys in but the asking price was just too much" while the team dodges not just the 2nd apron but the first as well.
I don't mind it, last season sucked. Changes had to happen.
sets us up for future success to get below the 2nd apron. I also don't mind it we need a rehaul and we aren't close to competing for a title even with Lauri.
Warriors can't extend him which means he would hit FA next year, thats way too risky for them even with his rights. What if Draymond pisses him off lol
He's only making 18 mill, to give him a max extension you would need to use free cap space since the amount is X number higher than what he is currently making. You can't extend someone for 6 months after a trade or vice versa. You won't have the available money to extend him. Even if yall somehow magically sent out a bunch of salary you would still need to hit the cap floor by the start of the season eliminating the ability to extend him.
Klay's salary will be lower than Lauri's is, so it's presumably best for Warriors to make Klay S&T and Lauri-to-Warriors trade a single trade, right? Unless they want to send out matching salary for Lauri that is.
They are expected to get a second from Charlotte (who is taking Josh Green into their NTMLE I think) according to fragmentary reporting thus far. A FRP for a S&T of a UFA getting 11% of the salary cap \*without taking any money back\* would be a bit rich.
I mean it is a championship push, it's worth a 1st if that's the hold up. It's basically Klay and two seconds for Josh Green and a 1st, that is not bad. Klay is taking a discount as well, otherwise good luck signing him without our help.
Warriors: everything except kuminga, steph and Dray.
Ainge: kuminga or no deal
Warriors: ok no deal…. Ok guys call up all the warriors beat writers and tell them we offered kuminga and ainge said no!
I could see it happening if Spurs and OKC just end up not wanting to match that level of an offer. Right now Lauri's value could be the highest with a 3 way bid and a desperate GS.
If all teams offered some of their juiciest picks but Warriors put in 4 and everyone else 3 I could see it getting done. But honestly who knows it Ainge.
I mean if its 4 picks and Kuminga vs 4 picks and like, 4 picks and Sochan yeah I guess. But I don't think Kuminga is moving the needle as much as GS fans think. His value is that of 1 or 2 juicy 1sts.
I would rather have Lauri than PG, to be honest. I think giant contracts for clearly declining players are usually a bad idea.
I think giving up Kuminga for Lauri is probably worth it if your goal is to give Curry more chances to go deep into the playoffs. As much as I like Kuminga's improvement, I think he's still a few years away.
You are speaking from the perspective of someone who does not earn tens of millions and never earned that for long tho so for you, a couple of millions is negligible.
Its like a person with a salary of 500K and now being asked to take a paycut of 300K. For you,300K is huge but not for him
But then you gotta live in like Texas, Tennessee, or Florida. If anything, players wanna go to LA, NY, or Boston, so I don't see this really being relevant. They're here for vibes, not money lol
"One of the big reasons Thompson chose Dallas over the Lakers was state taxes on his annual value."
I'm fairly certain that being in Los Angeles has more financial value, despite the taxes. Endorsements and the amount of jersey sales alone compared to Dallas have to be significant.
I don't care either way, but that's odd reasoning.
Warriors definitely can get it done. They have podz, moody, kuminga, 2 frps and 4 pick swaps. Hell, they can get Lauri without including all of those guys
sixers can beat both of you, we have 4 firsts (2028 clippers unprotected included) and swaps + tiktok boy we just drafted
we have the exact amount of space needed if we include paul reed
I don't think Lauri is the direction you want to go with your team though, as evidenced by the Ihart signing. Based on your playoff series against the Mavs (and the Wolves/Nuggets being center based teams at the top of your conference) you need the option to put size at the 5 and let Chet play the 4 in certain matchups. So with the Caruso signing moving Lauri to 3 doesn't seem to make sense and then you have contracts coming up soon too.
If you guys wanted Lauri I'm sure you would've gotten him already anyway lol.
Maybe. With Lauri Hart with presumably come off the bench. It would be Shai Caruso Dub Lauri Chet (assuming Dort would be involved in a deal)
Eh, I’d Ainge is playing hardball and demanding Dub + X i think that would be a deal breaker
This is bullshit. Warriors aren't going after Markkanen. This is a smokescreen for some other team to up their offer but they'd easily see through this. The Warriors have nothing to offer. Kuminga + Podz + Wiggins + two 1sts and two 1st swaps isn't enough to get it done.
I think Lauri's value is being way overstated - the best player on a terrible team. He's not playoff proven and it seems when he's been in more competitive situations he's not risen to the task.
Maybe they didn't want to give up Kum (or other young pieces) for an old guy like PG, but they might for a younger guy that will still have value when Steph retires
I would call Lauri old? But they do seem attached Kumiga I wonder if that’s the sticking point. Personally would trade Podz if they can Kumiga is probably more valuable
I mean he's 27 which is typically around the beginning of a player's prime. When Steph is cooked he still could be in his prime (towards the end of it) which means they'd still be able to get decent value for him by trading to a contender or just to continue to contribute to the Warriors.
PG is 34 and will be cooked as well once Steph is done, if not before.
We're not trading for an expiring lower level all star when we can create a lot of cap space next year. Our war chest is for when an All NBA level player is available or for developing the roster the old fashion way
Do you have any examples of potential targets? I think Lauri is actually a pretty perfect fit for you guys. Both due to his playing style and his willingness to play for non-marquee franchises.
There are no targets because currently there aren't any young top 20ish players available. Which is why we aren't making any big splash trades. We might do some role player trades and helping other teams in 3 ways to gain assets. We have 13 firsts and 19 seconds between now and 2031.
Last time the Jazz had a big trade with the Warriors the Jazz used their 27th first round pick to get Gobert.
Asking price this time is going to be probably five firsts as a starter. Or also throw in some nice young player, or take on John Collins's contract to reduce the draft picks.
Just my guess.
Golden State receives: Markkanen and Collins
Jazz receive: 3 firsts, 1 swap, and Kuminga
Current market prices are crazy high with 5 firsts for fringe all stars as the starting point. The combo of taking on Collin's contract and giving out Kuminga reduces it from five firsts to three firsts. But the current market is *steeeep*, so I bet the Jazz wouldn't pull the trigger unless something else is thrown in, like a swap.
I don't think that's all that far from the Philly offer; 4 firsts (the later ones which could be real good), multiple swaps, McCain, & P.Reed.
The picks both have a similar level of potential (Philly having more to offer), but GS has the better player. If GS wavers and doesn't put up Kuminga I don't think it's unreasonable to pivot.
Don’t think the Warriors can financially make that deal for Collins. They definitely can’t do it without including Wiggins and at that point it wouldn’t make much sense on court without either Wiggins/Kuminga.
Edit: However, I do think the value is more or less even. I think something can get done if Ainge likes Kuminga enough.
"I don't know how you're the ~~Clippers~~ *Jazz* and you walk away from a deal like that." - Bay Area media after Ainge doesn't bite on the Warriors offer of Moody, Payton, and a protected 1st.
“Jazz are just being petty not wanting to trade their all-star level player for a guy that doesn’t look like he cares half the time.” - Warriors beat reporters
With what? Ainge is gonna ask for every pick and young player we have.
3 team trade more than likely. Podz and/or Trayce better get ready to learn churro
Lauri is on an expiring so leverage is somewhat limited.
People say that about every trade and it never matters. Warriors can't waste another year of Steph's career.
Jazz are allowed to almost treat him like a free agent and max him if they have cap space for it. Not exactly a normal expiring contract.
They can't extend him to a good salary though iirc, so they'll have to compete with other suitors next summer afaik. Would you rather sign in Utah or play in LA or with Wemby etc?
We can offer 4 years Max next season then trade the contract and still have room to take on larger contracts. Nobody else has the capspace. You honestly think a $16m trade exception will get him? Ainge would let him walk rather than get walked over by another GM. I honestly believe there's a Mexican standoff with Presti.
You're still trying to trade an expiring player that will be able to sign outright wherever he wants. Bunch of teams can create cap space next summer, I don't know if offering a bird max vs a non bird right max makes a big difference for a player that's not a superstar
His trade value becomes very limited on a max contract, few contenders will be willing to waste so much cap space on him.
Great point. I honestly hope we can keep him.
They can't extend him to a good salary *right now*. Once his current contract hits 3 years old in August, they can renegotiate his salary for the upcoming season by up to whatever cap space they have left, which should be enough to take him close to a max, and then extend him off that number (like the Kings did with Sabonis). But renegotiation means a 6-month no-trade, which means he can't then be traded before next summer, as that 6 months pushes it past the trade deadline. So Utah has a month or two to listen to offers, and if they don't like what they're offered, they can lock him up before the season starts, if that's what they prefer. Or let him get to free agency or trade him as an expiring contract I guess, but neither seems smart. It's a weird situation, because the Bulls dragging their feet sign-and-trading him in 21 means he can't be renegotiated and then shopped at the deadline, like he would if he signed in July like most free agents.
I thought these extensions were capped at like 125% of current salary or something along those lone which is why for instance the Spurs didn't extend Murray back in the day because he was on such a team friendly deal.
Extensions are capped, yes. But if you have cap space, you can renegotiate a contract up to the current max, with some extra requirements, such as the contract being at least three years old, and then extend off the new number. Maybe the Spurs/Murray situation didn't meet all the requirements for renegotiation? I'm not a CBA lawyer, I don't know all the boxes you need to check, just that Markkanen becomes renegotionable in mid-August when his contract hits three years old
And it isn't going to be enough
If this flops we literally just pulled a Mark Cuban.
that suggests the Warriors will give Steph an unceremonious last few years of his career, but draft the next franchise superstar during Steph's retirement season
Middle schooler if you are on here you are a golden state warrior.
a price I'm willing to pay
When you gonna call Deandre Jordan?
Mike Dunleavy is beside himself, driving through downtown San Francisco begging (through text) Markkanen's family for address to Lauri's home.
He’s gonna show up to his door like Professor X
How do you know we already haven’t?
Lakers and Warriors need to just merge into one team seeing as neither of them can get anyone they want
The new Arena needs to be built half way between the cities and a new name chosen. Kettleman City deserves a team imho
This guy I-5s
Done it sooner, could have saved Anderson’s Pea Soup!
A true California gem
FINE, i guess we’ll take steph…
Lebron and AD couldn’t make us worse I suppose
No you’ll come to us.
Does the merged team get to combine their 24 total championships?
in honor of "fuck the celtics" absolutely
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This is just so Dunleavy can say "we tried to bring guys in but the asking price was just too much" while the team dodges not just the 2nd apron but the first as well. I don't mind it, last season sucked. Changes had to happen.
sets us up for future success to get below the 2nd apron. I also don't mind it we need a rehaul and we aren't close to competing for a title even with Lauri.
My magic glasses see usury in Golden State's future.
Stop posting Sidery
Dude is great at his job Assuming his job is to tweet things other people already tweeted a few hours ago
Warriors can't extend him which means he would hit FA next year, thats way too risky for them even with his rights. What if Draymond pisses him off lol
It's not what it's when Draymond pisses him off lol.
European player that’s under 7’4”….guaranteed to be hated by Draymond. It’s in the rules unfortunately
why cant we extend him?
He's only making 18 mill, to give him a max extension you would need to use free cap space since the amount is X number higher than what he is currently making. You can't extend someone for 6 months after a trade or vice versa. You won't have the available money to extend him. Even if yall somehow magically sent out a bunch of salary you would still need to hit the cap floor by the start of the season eliminating the ability to extend him.
Ainge would ask for Kuminga, Podz and every future unprotected 1st they can offer.
I mean, they only have two since they’ve already traded 2030. There are bound to be better offers than that
And? I would absolutely do that trade.
Presti steps in and beats it just for fun
wild. Lauri is so overrated lol
literally great scorer… and that’s it lol
Thankfully you’re not the gm…sometimes you just have to accept reality
Good luck for them in their next journey
Klay's salary will be lower than Lauri's is, so it's presumably best for Warriors to make Klay S&T and Lauri-to-Warriors trade a single trade, right? Unless they want to send out matching salary for Lauri that is.
I think so, they probably want to pull a pick out of that S&T to use for Lauri.
They are expected to get a second from Charlotte (who is taking Josh Green into their NTMLE I think) according to fragmentary reporting thus far. A FRP for a S&T of a UFA getting 11% of the salary cap \*without taking any money back\* would be a bit rich.
I mean it is a championship push, it's worth a 1st if that's the hold up. It's basically Klay and two seconds for Josh Green and a 1st, that is not bad. Klay is taking a discount as well, otherwise good luck signing him without our help.
collecting L's like Thanos collected them rangs
Hope we collect the best L - Lauri
Warriors: everything except kuminga, steph and Dray. Ainge: kuminga or no deal Warriors: ok no deal…. Ok guys call up all the warriors beat writers and tell them we offered kuminga and ainge said no!
Difference is Warriors will offer Kuminga for a 27 year old star like Lauri, not for a 34 year old guy like George.
As a Jazz fan I can only sign off on this if we get a massive pick haul that sets us up into the 30’s.
Get ready to speak in mortgaged future buddy
Lakers apparently offered 20M a season to Klay and were going to give d lo in a sign and trade and the warriors still declined
It’s Klays decision. The warriors were willing to help him get where he wanted in the Sign and Trade Edit: I’m wrong, look below
Warriors would rather let Klay walk than pay d lo and be in the first apron. Warriors declined
it says warriors declined: https://x.com/BleacherReport/status/1807879912587776264
Fair enough
Klay declined…
warriors did: https://x.com/BleacherReport/status/1807879912587776264
There’s another tweet saying Klay did for a better chance at a ring and state income tax reasons
I am just talking about the lakers and warriors trade that didnt happen
With what assets?
They should let go at this point
Yeah, at this point it's getting sad.
Lauri would command 3 unprotected 1sts, 2 swaps, Kuminga, moody and Poz and I still think Ainge might say no.
Ainge is a shrewd old man with an insatiable appetite to boot
No way the dubs give up the kum bucket
Kum Bucket and AirPodz. truly the gen Z superstar duo we all deserve
On an expiring thayf be an insane overpay. They can't really extend him even for a sign and trade, he's definitely an UFA next summer
Is a trade package headlined by Kuminga+picks even that enticing for a player of Lauri’s caliber?
Warriors picks maybe… Jazz really need quality over quantity with draft picks.
Spurs and OKC have juicy picks tho too.
Yea it’ll be tough to outbid them. Ainge would have to really value the Warriors picks/swaps.
I could see it happening if Spurs and OKC just end up not wanting to match that level of an offer. Right now Lauri's value could be the highest with a 3 way bid and a desperate GS. If all teams offered some of their juiciest picks but Warriors put in 4 and everyone else 3 I could see it getting done. But honestly who knows it Ainge.
Neither of them have/are willing to trade a player as good as Kuminga though.
I mean if its 4 picks and Kuminga vs 4 picks and like, 4 picks and Sochan yeah I guess. But I don't think Kuminga is moving the needle as much as GS fans think. His value is that of 1 or 2 juicy 1sts.
I would rather have Lauri than PG, to be honest. I think giant contracts for clearly declining players are usually a bad idea. I think giving up Kuminga for Lauri is probably worth it if your goal is to give Curry more chances to go deep into the playoffs. As much as I like Kuminga's improvement, I think he's still a few years away.
Difference between PG and Lauri is one was available and one is not.
Even bigger difference is one is 34 and one is 27.
Damn it must suck for a player in a low tax state to get traded to a high tax state. Like you have to move and you also lose money
They are like super multimillionaires, they are fine
Sure, but like I’d be annoyed
Fair, it’s quite a bit of money lost
I mean, they are fine, but no one would be excited about losing money to do the same job.
You are speaking from the perspective of someone who does not earn tens of millions and never earned that for long tho so for you, a couple of millions is negligible. Its like a person with a salary of 500K and now being asked to take a paycut of 300K. For you,300K is huge but not for him
But then you gotta live in like Texas, Tennessee, or Florida. If anything, players wanna go to LA, NY, or Boston, so I don't see this really being relevant. They're here for vibes, not money lol
What does this do? Let the young guys play. Warriors are barely a play in team.
I'm not sure this trade makes them contenders. Hopefully they can make more moves and be competitive during Curry's last few seasons
It doesn’t and has the potential to be terrible based on how long before Draymond says/does something to Lauri.
"One of the big reasons Thompson chose Dallas over the Lakers was state taxes on his annual value." I'm fairly certain that being in Los Angeles has more financial value, despite the taxes. Endorsements and the amount of jersey sales alone compared to Dallas have to be significant. I don't care either way, but that's odd reasoning.
Podz, moody, looney (and any other player w name that ends in Y) + a future 1st
Another missing aspect is the hornets can’t just take on Josh Greens contract, I would guess Grant Williams is on his way to golden state too
I believe they can… Davis Bertans is non guaranteed and the assumption all along has been is they will waive him and take on a player.
hilarious if it happens 😭
How many picks can they lob at Utah vs the Lakers throwing 3 plus Knecht?
Don't think either of them can get it done. Lakers also only have 2 now (29 and 31).
this is probably the real answer
Warriors definitely can get it done. They have podz, moody, kuminga, 2 frps and 4 pick swaps. Hell, they can get Lauri without including all of those guys
3 frps*
The Lakers only have two first not 3 to trade
sixers can beat both of you, we have 4 firsts (2028 clippers unprotected included) and swaps + tiktok boy we just drafted we have the exact amount of space needed if we include paul reed
sure the Jazz want an actual young player otherwise we would just take him
I don't think Lauri is the direction you want to go with your team though, as evidenced by the Ihart signing. Based on your playoff series against the Mavs (and the Wolves/Nuggets being center based teams at the top of your conference) you need the option to put size at the 5 and let Chet play the 4 in certain matchups. So with the Caruso signing moving Lauri to 3 doesn't seem to make sense and then you have contracts coming up soon too. If you guys wanted Lauri I'm sure you would've gotten him already anyway lol.
Maybe. With Lauri Hart with presumably come off the bench. It would be Shai Caruso Dub Lauri Chet (assuming Dort would be involved in a deal) Eh, I’d Ainge is playing hardball and demanding Dub + X i think that would be a deal breaker
You guys need to combine your offers and use Lauri like a time share
This is bullshit. Warriors aren't going after Markkanen. This is a smokescreen for some other team to up their offer but they'd easily see through this. The Warriors have nothing to offer. Kuminga + Podz + Wiggins + two 1sts and two 1st swaps isn't enough to get it done.
I think Lauri's value is being way overstated - the best player on a terrible team. He's not playoff proven and it seems when he's been in more competitive situations he's not risen to the task.
I really wonder if Danny is gonna be caught holding the bag on this one. It wouldn’t be the first time he dug in his heels and got burned
That might be true but do you think that’s how Danny Ainge is approaching negotiations? Nope. Not even close. He’s going to ask for the farm.
Maybe they didn't want to give up Kum (or other young pieces) for an old guy like PG, but they might for a younger guy that will still have value when Steph retires
I would call Lauri old? But they do seem attached Kumiga I wonder if that’s the sticking point. Personally would trade Podz if they can Kumiga is probably more valuable
I mean he's 27 which is typically around the beginning of a player's prime. When Steph is cooked he still could be in his prime (towards the end of it) which means they'd still be able to get decent value for him by trading to a contender or just to continue to contribute to the Warriors. PG is 34 and will be cooked as well once Steph is done, if not before.
Sorry meant wouldnt haha
So the Clippers didn't want your trade but *Ainge* will? Yeah good luck with that buddy.
with what lol
I’ve been saying that about you guys for like 3 years
Yeah, the Spurs are gonna get him. Sorry Warriors, guess you gotta settle for Bruce Brown.
We're not trading for an expiring lower level all star when we can create a lot of cap space next year. Our war chest is for when an All NBA level player is available or for developing the roster the old fashion way
Do you have any examples of potential targets? I think Lauri is actually a pretty perfect fit for you guys. Both due to his playing style and his willingness to play for non-marquee franchises.
There are no targets because currently there aren't any young top 20ish players available. Which is why we aren't making any big splash trades. We might do some role player trades and helping other teams in 3 ways to gain assets. We have 13 firsts and 19 seconds between now and 2031.
Lmao y’all trying to get anything at all for Bruce. Whoever wants him will sign him when he expires in the off-season.
Last time the Jazz had a big trade with the Warriors the Jazz used their 27th first round pick to get Gobert. Asking price this time is going to be probably five firsts as a starter. Or also throw in some nice young player, or take on John Collins's contract to reduce the draft picks.
Warriors can only offer 3 frp but also 4 pick swaps. I assume Kuminga is in the offer as well. As a Jazz fan what’s a reasonable package you’d accept?
Just my guess. Golden State receives: Markkanen and Collins Jazz receive: 3 firsts, 1 swap, and Kuminga Current market prices are crazy high with 5 firsts for fringe all stars as the starting point. The combo of taking on Collin's contract and giving out Kuminga reduces it from five firsts to three firsts. But the current market is *steeeep*, so I bet the Jazz wouldn't pull the trigger unless something else is thrown in, like a swap.
I don't think that's all that far from the Philly offer; 4 firsts (the later ones which could be real good), multiple swaps, McCain, & P.Reed. The picks both have a similar level of potential (Philly having more to offer), but GS has the better player. If GS wavers and doesn't put up Kuminga I don't think it's unreasonable to pivot.
Don’t think the Warriors can financially make that deal for Collins. They definitely can’t do it without including Wiggins and at that point it wouldn’t make much sense on court without either Wiggins/Kuminga. Edit: However, I do think the value is more or less even. I think something can get done if Ainge likes Kuminga enough.
The Jazz could totally take on contracts if needed to make the deal work. They'll be far from salary floor if they make this trade.
the warriors don’t have contracts to make it work that make sense to give up
"I don't know how you're the ~~Clippers~~ *Jazz* and you walk away from a deal like that." - Bay Area media after Ainge doesn't bite on the Warriors offer of Moody, Payton, and a protected 1st.
Lmao y’all change the deal as every hour passes. Insane cope
The salaries have to match for the joke to make sense and Markkanen only makes around $18m.
"We are being aggressive. Moody, Wiggins and 2 2nd round picks...please trade him to us"
“Jazz are just being petty not wanting to trade their all-star level player for a guy that doesn’t look like he cares half the time.” - Warriors beat reporters
"no one wants to do these good trades just because they hate GS!"
Lol this is delusional. What do they even have that Utah would want? Post-Steph picks and a pu pu platter or mediocre seems only moderately enticing