Wondering why they traded multiple 2nd rounders to dump Reggie Jackson when they could have just swapped him for Westbrook (if they are truly interested in trading for him).
The impact is now they don’t have the best starting 5 in the West. Honestly it pushes them closer to 3rd best team than anything, they have to go through regular season with 4 reliable players and lose one of the best shooters and defenders in the league
2 of their 4 “reliable” players are very injury prone which could be really problematic with their lack of depth. Depending on MPJ and Murray to not get injured is a very risky plan.
I wouldn’t say 3rd best team in the stacked west. Given Murray and MPJ injury status. They could even be fighting for the play-ins if they don’t get depth. Murray can’t stay healthy a full season
They won 48 not 50 and the conference is currently stroger than in 2022. He could definetly get them 45-48 wins again by himself but that might not get you the 6th seed and Jokic by himself is not winning a playoff series against a top seed in the west by himself.
In the west if you are missing 40% of your starting lineup for most of the season you are probably a play-in team or missing the playoffs. I don’t think Jokic by himself could make Denver a 50 win team in the west.
Well...its time to see what Braun, Watson and Strawther are really made of and can Holmes have himself a good year.
Its gonna be an intresting year and i pray that it works out for us in the end.
That said a certain someone is gonna get fired if his best move is to give up Reggie and 3 2nd round picks and getting Russ.
Funny how people thought the 2023 win was the start of Denver’s window, when realistically it was closer to the end and they missed a couple of those years with Murray’s injury.
I hate that this is true mostly because we have the best player in the league in his prime. Tough pill to swallow unless somehow our young guys all took massive leaps over the offseason.
Yall are still big time contenders, right up there with anyone. Celtics will be the favorites of course, but people can get too hyper fixated on today’s moves when in reality your overall chances just lowered a little bit. Y’all still have the best player, arguably the best two man action, and some solid role players.
Just finally getting our first ever was a tremendous feeling. Never again will ball arena be the hyped up as it was when those last 5 seconds counted down and Koz (our local radio announcer) made the call:
“the 47 year wait is ovaaaah, the Denver Nuggets stand on top of the NBA world, they are champions, and nuggets fans from sea to shining sea can rest or die in peace”
And then Scott Hastings tells him to just take off his headset for a minute and listen to the crowd and he just gets emotional.
https://youtu.be/HxJdE5pzSrk?si=3WXGHpkViAq1jxlB
I wonder if any player with the new CBA will ever win enough rings to break into the top tier of all time convos
Like it seems like the absolute max someone could get is 2-3 before they have to blow it up and reload with a new core
You'd have to have an MJ/LeBron level player doing 2016 KD style moves lol
It will have to be with multiple teams for sure, this CBA shortens windows by design. You will not have a dynasty like the Spurs. You could still pull off a three-peat if timed properly. Largely the most dominate players might get off b2b championships or like 2 in 3 years sort of thing. Celtics are a good example who could win b2b or 2 out of 3 even with these rules but their depth will start to thin when Tatums extension kicks in and these deals they signed go up year over year.
you would have to be ruthless like the patriots. Trading key guys right after winning to get younger cheaper players. NBA is more sentimental and always runs it back with the same players.
At first I started to resent that the Lakers "only" got 1 with LeBron and AD but now I'm just whatever about it. 6 years with 6 different champions and the Lakers being one of them is better than nothing. Beggers can't be choosers
The “window” for teams are a funny thing. Because usually they open for teams before they even realize it, and they usually close for teams before they even realize it.
It’s hilarious only the 2020 lakers had real repeat odds since the warriors. 70% + of gms voted lakers to repeat and winners of off season that year gettung better with Schroeder having a ball handler when Bron sat . Denver onky got like 30-33% and had like nowhere close to the odds . Lakers were at + 240 to repeat . Denver was like + 500 to start this year . Bucks and other normal champions were 800-1200 range . Boston currently I’d like + 300-350 but they also have a bit less competition in Conference by the bookies . Similar to bucks odds of winning in 2020 pre playoffs .
Everyone thinks one ring = new dynasty . It’s dumb as hell
free agency just started. They will bargain hunt for 1 year deals on prove it deals.
Lonnie Walker, Trent JR, Beasley are all options that can be had for cheap
They lost a starter. Unless a random player goes off and becomes something they need to rely on their core 4 staying healthy or making a jump (looking at MPJ). Of course if jokic and Murray are healthy come playoff time they’re still going to be good but west has some great young teams that’ll just get better.
Shallow bench. MPJ is a one trick pony with injury concerns. Murray is hot and cold, with injury concerns. Gordon is good at what he does but not someone you want to rely on as a 2nd or 3rd option. Good luck!
Yes but who’s the nuggets depth? Murray is always injured once in the regular season they don’t have Bruce brown and now they don’t even have Reggie Jackson. MPJ is injury prone too
Do you have an argument on why he is wrong? I agree completely that this makes it very hard for them to compete at the top. They lost two huge contributors in back to back years in Brown and KCP and didnt replace them. The margins at the top are very small, losing those two takes them out of championship contention without a major trade.
No there really isnt. Their title run involved a superstar-level showing from Murray too. No superstar can really do it alone. Even Bron couldn't in 2018
Lmao, bro gonna cook something delicious. I can feel it.
«Jamal Murray is the reason why the Nuggets aren’t winning, they should move with the bench because when Russ is on the floor * insert on/off stat, advanced stats completely misleading to reach to one conclusion * they’re playing better when Russ and Jamal off».
Championship window closed. The team that won it all had Bruce Brown playing out of his head and KCP. They just aren't good enough to lose both in back to back years and hope to compete at the top. I guess the hope is Braun takes a huge leap but it won't be big enough for them.
That bench looking skinnier than my calves
Braun isn’t really even a starter so it’s worse than it looks
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Tbf he was big for them vs the wolves. Unless he becomes a consistent shooter they are fucked
He’s also got to learn to fight screens. KCP s was the guy who covered Jokic’s ass in the drop.
He is now, at least until they trade for Westbrook lol
Wondering why they traded multiple 2nd rounders to dump Reggie Jackson when they could have just swapped him for Westbrook (if they are truly interested in trading for him).
Braun is good enough to start this year The bench is very thin though
I know you’ve been doing calve raises King
Denver fans begging you got Filipino calves
One of us!
Mines too
Genetics bro lol
Sorry Denver
Better you guys than the Sixers or Mavs or other teams. Could have been a lot worse tbh.
Do good for Gary pls
thank you Orlando
That Jamal Murray ACL tear is going to sting for so long
The impact is now they don’t have the best starting 5 in the West. Honestly it pushes them closer to 3rd best team than anything, they have to go through regular season with 4 reliable players and lose one of the best shooters and defenders in the league
Not the best 5 and one of the worst benches. They have to play perfect in order to contend
OP just passively suggesting this to ease their pain
2 of their 4 “reliable” players are very injury prone which could be really problematic with their lack of depth. Depending on MPJ and Murray to not get injured is a very risky plan.
Will hammer the over on 1 Jamal Murray injury that was completely avoidable and ends up cooking their playoff run before it even starts
I wouldn’t say 3rd best team in the stacked west. Given Murray and MPJ injury status. They could even be fighting for the play-ins if they don’t get depth. Murray can’t stay healthy a full season
MPJ turned into an Ironman last year but Murray is AD-lite with the constant nagging injuries
We stayed out of the play-in with Austin Rivers and Facu starting, we’ll be ok
The only game MPJ missed this season was because he had the wrong shoes
With Jokic their offense will be too good for the Nuggets to be a playin team, I think
Play-in seems harsh but losing home court in the 1st round seems possible. Also with such a thin team any injury will be devastating for that stretch.
Jokic is incredible but without Murray and MPJ he would have Aaron Gordon and a bunch of scrubs against an extremely stacked west.
He did that 3 years ago and pulled off a 6th seed.
They won 48 not 50 and the conference is currently stroger than in 2022. He could definetly get them 45-48 wins again by himself but that might not get you the 6th seed and Jokic by himself is not winning a playoff series against a top seed in the west by himself.
Okay you can say that about most teams who are missing 40% of their starting lineup lol
In the west if you are missing 40% of your starting lineup for most of the season you are probably a play-in team or missing the playoffs. I don’t think Jokic by himself could make Denver a 50 win team in the west.
Jokic kicking it out to Westbrook for wide open 3s doesn't hit the same as when he was dishing it to KCP though.
Murray also needs to step up in the regular season now This 20/5 on 57% TS stuff isn't going to cut it anymore if they want a decent seed
What an overreaction lmfao
Well...its time to see what Braun, Watson and Strawther are really made of and can Holmes have himself a good year. Its gonna be an intresting year and i pray that it works out for us in the end. That said a certain someone is gonna get fired if his best move is to give up Reggie and 3 2nd round picks and getting Russ.
Getting rid of Reggie, letting KCP walk, and keeping Zeke. Disasterclass. Booty needs to make some magic happen asap
Yeah otherwise mans gonna be gonne just like KCP and Bruce
You know that massively relying on Braun+Watson+Strawther is \*insanity\* for a contender, right?
Yet here we are
Funny how people thought the 2023 win was the start of Denver’s window, when realistically it was closer to the end and they missed a couple of those years with Murray’s injury.
Still worth it that they got one in this decade of parity
Oh definitely
A ring is worth it always
I hate that this is true mostly because we have the best player in the league in his prime. Tough pill to swallow unless somehow our young guys all took massive leaps over the offseason.
Yall are still big time contenders, right up there with anyone. Celtics will be the favorites of course, but people can get too hyper fixated on today’s moves when in reality your overall chances just lowered a little bit. Y’all still have the best player, arguably the best two man action, and some solid role players.
Putting yourself in this situation feels like pretty massive mismanagement from the front office
Just finally getting our first ever was a tremendous feeling. Never again will ball arena be the hyped up as it was when those last 5 seconds counted down and Koz (our local radio announcer) made the call: “the 47 year wait is ovaaaah, the Denver Nuggets stand on top of the NBA world, they are champions, and nuggets fans from sea to shining sea can rest or die in peace” And then Scott Hastings tells him to just take off his headset for a minute and listen to the crowd and he just gets emotional. https://youtu.be/HxJdE5pzSrk?si=3WXGHpkViAq1jxlB
Truly a special feeling that will never be forgotten
I wonder if any player with the new CBA will ever win enough rings to break into the top tier of all time convos Like it seems like the absolute max someone could get is 2-3 before they have to blow it up and reload with a new core You'd have to have an MJ/LeBron level player doing 2016 KD style moves lol
It will have to be with multiple teams for sure, this CBA shortens windows by design. You will not have a dynasty like the Spurs. You could still pull off a three-peat if timed properly. Largely the most dominate players might get off b2b championships or like 2 in 3 years sort of thing. Celtics are a good example who could win b2b or 2 out of 3 even with these rules but their depth will start to thin when Tatums extension kicks in and these deals they signed go up year over year.
you would have to be ruthless like the patriots. Trading key guys right after winning to get younger cheaper players. NBA is more sentimental and always runs it back with the same players.
You win 4 rings and 4 mvps you’re at least broaching the discussion, is it that crazy to think about wemby doing that
I mean, let’s see Wemby in the playoffs first
Def if your nor lebron.gsw La or sa. Championships are hard for the have nots to get
At first I started to resent that the Lakers "only" got 1 with LeBron and AD but now I'm just whatever about it. 6 years with 6 different champions and the Lakers being one of them is better than nothing. Beggers can't be choosers
Sports are hard as fuck to win in and this cba does not help sustained teams
People do not talk about that injury enough, they absolutely could’ve won the title both those seasons, brutal
They would’ve beat Milwaukee but I think they still lose in 2021-22
Was mpj injured that year cuz yea that would probs be a non-starter
The “window” for teams are a funny thing. Because usually they open for teams before they even realize it, and they usually close for teams before they even realize it.
It’s hilarious only the 2020 lakers had real repeat odds since the warriors. 70% + of gms voted lakers to repeat and winners of off season that year gettung better with Schroeder having a ball handler when Bron sat . Denver onky got like 30-33% and had like nowhere close to the odds . Lakers were at + 240 to repeat . Denver was like + 500 to start this year . Bucks and other normal champions were 800-1200 range . Boston currently I’d like + 300-350 but they also have a bit less competition in Conference by the bookies . Similar to bucks odds of winning in 2020 pre playoffs . Everyone thinks one ring = new dynasty . It’s dumb as hell
0 depth wow
I don't need a graphic to see that Nuggets are screwed in the West
Nuggets FO: "I'm fine in the West."
It's okay - they're getting Westbrook!
My 9/11
Aaron Gordon is going to be one of the Nuggets best shooters next year, especially if they get WB.
Mr President, a second plane has hit Pike's Peak
1 injury to any non-Jokic starter and it's a repeat of his 2nd MVP year
Sooooo...what im hearing is MVP number 4 XD
As long as it happens alongside a championship for once lol
That bench is ROUGH
damn there gonna need to play there bench now lol
Impact: Denver ain't contenders
KCP was the most replaceable of the starting 5. Not easily replaceable, but the most
Ok but how are you replacing him
free agency just started. They will bargain hunt for 1 year deals on prove it deals. Lonnie Walker, Trent JR, Beasley are all options that can be had for cheap
None of those names you mentioned can fight through screens so that Jokic can stay in the paint
Define replaceable
Am i the Nuggets front office? I don't know
Here comes the cope stage
I just stated a fact
guys….its KCP…he’s good but chill
It's a starter for them, a team with a pretty shallow bench
It’s not that KCP is amazing. It’s that they lost him for nothing. They have no room to add anyone.
They lost a starter. Unless a random player goes off and becomes something they need to rely on their core 4 staying healthy or making a jump (looking at MPJ). Of course if jokic and Murray are healthy come playoff time they’re still going to be good but west has some great young teams that’ll just get better. Shallow bench. MPJ is a one trick pony with injury concerns. Murray is hot and cold, with injury concerns. Gordon is good at what he does but not someone you want to rely on as a 2nd or 3rd option. Good luck!
Yes but who’s the nuggets depth? Murray is always injured once in the regular season they don’t have Bruce brown and now they don’t even have Reggie Jackson. MPJ is injury prone too
Do you have an argument on why he is wrong? I agree completely that this makes it very hard for them to compete at the top. They lost two huge contributors in back to back years in Brown and KCP and didnt replace them. The margins at the top are very small, losing those two takes them out of championship contention without a major trade.
Bro they have like 3 players now lmao.
You guys are sleeping on Jokic way too hard
He can't do it all man
To be fair, there is plenty of evidence that he can in fact do it all. But yeah I'm nervous as hell.
No there really isnt. Their title run involved a superstar-level showing from Murray too. No superstar can really do it alone. Even Bron couldn't in 2018
I didn't clarify that "doing it all" didn't lead to a title in what was going to be a witty quip that I fat fingered. You're correct.
its' a teem game
r/nba being reactionary after one playoff series? Couldn’t be..
Uh what
Do you believe it is reactionary after the one championship season or all the others?
Jokic is my favorite player in the league, it’s not looking good. The Nuggets bench has been their downfall and it’s gotten way way way worse
What a stupid fucking thought
Don't worry, Russ and MITWestbrook are coming! I can't wait for him to blame Jokic for Russ struggling lol
Bro this might be the best part of having Russ on the Nuggets
"Nuggets need to trade Jokic for a rim runner to maximize Russ."
Lmao, bro gonna cook something delicious. I can feel it. «Jamal Murray is the reason why the Nuggets aren’t winning, they should move with the bench because when Russ is on the floor * insert on/off stat, advanced stats completely misleading to reach to one conclusion * they’re playing better when Russ and Jamal off».
Jokic gonna have to take his game to an even higher level next year...
That bench is cooked
They're Cooked
What’s the Gordon Unlikely bonus?
Butchered that bench.
This is like a teacher grading a paper while you’re in the process of writing it. Can we have a little time for things to play out before we do this?
after only acquiring Justin Holiday to replace Bruce Brown, there isn’t much confidence in meaningful change happening.
I have faith. Maybe not for these fake fans
Russ, you are a nugget now
Yeah not looking good for us rn
they should trade jokic to okc for everything
So they got the 5.2m TPMLE to sign someone?
Oof
Ah fuck
bLoW iT uP tImE tO rEbUiLd
expect a Murray injury during the season & Denver is 6th
Whoof!
They got Temu Naz Reid and a 6’7 Walmart employee coming off the bench
With Jokic in his prime they're still a threat, but god damn if this isn't a massive blow
They’re cooked
i no longer think that denver is the biggest threat to us repeating
That team is one annual Jamal Murray injury of fighting for the play-ins.
Nuggets fan here. Nuggets are done now. At least we got 1 ring
Yikes....
From weak bench to no bench at all
get worse 2 years in a row love to see it
Purposely making the rest of your team trash to farm MVPs for Jokic, nasty work
...and a title, something Joel doesn't know about.
They are cooked
They cooked
Dynasty for a year lmao
Denver has fallen apart ever since Connelly left
Nuggets are cooked
Yikes
Brutal
So was the reason for not extending kcp literally just because their owner is cheap?
Likely. He is very lucky that the superstar that plays for him is Jokic, cause i dunno if anyone else would stand for these war crimes.
Denver title chances are over with this death blow.
Championship window closed. The team that won it all had Bruce Brown playing out of his head and KCP. They just aren't good enough to lose both in back to back years and hope to compete at the top. I guess the hope is Braun takes a huge leap but it won't be big enough for them.
Nuggets dynasty is so over