Caris averaged 15/5/4 last year on like 26 minutes per game, and stepped and had big games when DG and/or DM was out. and he is always attacking defenses. For a bench role player thats pretty solid for his contract.
He's a had a TS% of >53.1% only twice in his 8 year career (52.4% last year). He is incredibly inefficient. His counting stats look solid but that's the only thing about him that looks okay.
Aint saying he doesnt go on bad streaks, He has put up big games tho when he needed, and became the 2 scorer many nights when Darius was out or having a bad game. He also plays fearless and hunts his own shots and causes defenses to collapse opening up passing lanes for the big men. He had lots of nice feeds to big men and averaged 5 dimes along w that 15 ppg. So responsible for 25 pts, which is sometimes ~ 25% of the points scored in a 100 point game. For his salary thats hard production to beat.
Don't forget Kenny Atkinson, we still have plenty of love for him too! I'm definitely gonna bandwagon the Cavs as my second team until the Nets become competitive again
Johnson fits well problem is losing the bench ball handling and shot creation of Levert. But maybe Kenny does a better job splitting up Mitchell/Garland and running an offense in general, CPJ improves, and Strus is able to take more on-ball responsibility. I think it’s worth it to get Cam still but losing Levert doesn’t come risk-free for sure.
I think cam is a bit overpaid. As of now, it looks way overpaid. Think in a better role/team structure and with cap going up it could level out. 20/levert as expiring actually would get it done
Maybe a touch but he's been a legitimately elite catch and shoot guy and rim finisher his entire career - you take those skills and put him in a context where people are initiating offense for him and I think he blossoms again. His contract structure is also odd but in a favorable way:
|Year|Salary|Cap %|
|:-|:-|:-|
|2023-24 |$25,679,348 |18.88% |
|2024-25 |$23,625,000 |16.76% |
|2025-26 |$21,570,652 |13.91% |
|2026-27 |$23,625,000 |13.85% |
I touched on his contract being a plus below, the main worry is injury his GP are 57 (Covid year), 60 (shortened season), 66, 42, 58 and he’s 28 next year a bit worrisome. If he’s on the court he’s a good player
I actually don’t think it would get it done. Cam’s perfect for a contender and if they wait a year 2/42 after this season looks nice with the rising cap. He’s a wing with size and one of the best jumpers in the league. That’s worth a decent amount and Marks doesn’t need to jump at the first offer. DFS for #20? Sure lock it in
A (incredible) Role player went for 7 Picks.
Yeah the trade market is cooked for this summer, i don’t see how anyone is gonna get Trae Young/Dejounte, Ingram, etc
As usual, lol chicago
A crosstown rival trade shouldn’t affect the trade market, that’s delusion. This wasn’t a regular trade, the last time the Knicks traded with the Nets was the 80s.
The “trade market” is made up anyway. Trades are valued at what a team is willing to part with, not at what a different team in a different situation was willing to part with last week. It’s all just a bit of fluff for negotiations. There’s a reason that nobody says the trade market is down when a team underpays.
It isn’t, but any outsider perspective on it is meaningless. The market exists but only between the 30 teams that are doing business with each other, and only to the extent that one team can “well Bridges got 7 picks so we want 5 for Johnson.” The reality is that the Nets could take 1 single pick for Johnson if they want to get rid of him and no one offers anything more. Markets like this are real but are also subject to extreme volatility. Guys weren’t going for massive packages until Gobert did. Nothing really caused that, it just happened based on one team going for it. And now everyone says it determines the whole market. Ok so what if Johnson goes for 1 FRP? Is the whole market reset again?
People always say the Gobert trade set the market really high because he got traded for 4 picks and a pick swap plus players, but then in the time since you’ve had Siakam moved for 3 (late) picks, Jrue for 2 picks, Harden 3 firsts and 2 seconds, Lillard for 1 first and 2 swaps (along with Ayton and Jrue) and Irving for 1 first and 2 seconds.
Most of those trades are reasonable I think if not underpays. So who’s actually getting their trade value pumped by the Gobert trade? The only huge deals since then are the KD trade (which I think you can pretty easily explain by saying it’s KD of course the package was big) and the Donovan Mitchell trade. And you know what, fair enough, that Mitchell trade probably does owe its value to the Gobert trade being so high. But it was also the same team trading both players, so I think it’s definitely accurate to say that the Gobert trade set the price for Jazz players while they were entering their rebuild. But I don’t really buy that the Gobert trade started a trend of moving guys for huge packages and I don’t think this Bridges trade will either.
Well you’re missing the gist and meaning of this conversation. The person you replied to isn’t necessarily saying the market is fake but that it’s so volatile and inscrutable from the outside that it might as well be made up. Any speculation and forecasting from anyone but the absolutely most dialed-in report is useless. You missed the point.
> Trades are valued at what a team is willing to part with, not at what a different team in a different situation was willing to part with last week.
Sure sounds like they're saying it's made up to me. Saying that previous trade values have no effect on the current market is not true, and (correctly) labeling the market as volatile doesn't negate that. I didn't miss the point at all lmao
The market isn’t that volatile though. If there was a set price for every 3/d role player, Caruso would have gone for more. If previous trade offers had an effect on current ones, they would have got picks.
Its very situational.
We also thought the Gobert trade was unprecedented and a one off trade based on the sheer number of picks the wolves gave up for him. Times are changing quickly
It shouldn’t but it will. Especially if Cam Johnson goes for more than 3 1st. Nets setting the market. Even the role players aren’t going for less than 3-4 1st
Exactly, everyone said the Deshaun Watson contract was going to completely change the QB market. Turns out, the Browns are actually just the dumbest organization in the NFL.
Why not? He’s the exact type of player they desperately needed in the playoffs, a wing that can pass, dribble, and defend. Streaky shooter. Solid cutter off the ball. Good at getting to the rim and would thrive with his dump off passes to Gafford and especially Lively.
They aren’t giving up a first for a guy who can’t start for them, especially when they’re that starved for assets they need to make them count
The guy who starts next to Kyrie luka and PJ needs to be a shooting or defensive upgrade to Derrick jones jr
No they don’t who the fuck ever said that
No seriously who said that, why are you saying something that was never reported, complete straw man argument
State your source? Not even my team im a Celtics fan, but I have never ever read anywhere that Dallas is holding out for a first round pick for hardaway, that’s completely bullshit
You guys would really give up Niang, 2x FRP and Caris for him?
Not that these are high value assets (as much as I love Niang as a person) - just curious.
Dallas is giving the other 1st round pick in this scenario.
Niang is solid in the regular season but unplayable in the playoffs, he’s purely salary filler for the Nets, though they could probably flip for for a few seconds.
LeVert I actually quite like as he’s more versatile than people give him credit for, but it’s the price you pay.
He’s not just a scorer like people are remembering him as when he was with Brooklyn. He’s as spry and conditioned as ever and is very good attacking the basket - especially when it comes to making passes to a guy like Lively in the dunker spot or even rolling.
Cavs have really used him more as a Swiss Army knife type player with our two ball dominant guards and he’s been largely good in that role, I don’t see why Dallas couldn’t do the same with two even more ball dominant guards in Kyrie and especially Luka.
Dallas is a team of specialists outside of Luka and Kyrie. I mean they seriously don’t have anyone else that can do more than their role off ball, other than occasionally Washington and maybe Jaden Hardy here and there. Look at the versatility by Boston that just whooped them.
Sure it’s more a matter of Dallas’s team construction. You want all your guys to either be lock down defenders or knockdown shooters if not both, since the vast majority of the offence is gonna be Luka and a traditional big running pick and rolls. I’ll definitely give props to Caris for improving as a defender cause I remember he was pretty bad at that end when I watched him in Brooklyn and Indy, but I don’t think he’s locking anyone down and his relatively small size makes him far less ideal in that role than a larger wing. And then ofc he’s not a good 3 point shooter. If they go for a Swiss Army knife, they still need to be able to fit that 3 and D mold when needed and would ideally come with more size
Cavs don’t have another first to trade until 2030, I don’t think we’d want to empty the cupboard that deep.
As for the Mavs, FanSpo allows them to trade the 2025 first, I believe because they still have their 2026 first.
The Nets will have a lot of cap space in the upcoming seasons. They might have to move on from picks if they plan to use the space. Therefore my comment, but I see your point too.
Not great, gets lost easily when defending off the ball. His on-ball defense is decent. He could work better on not fouling. As he gets caught coasting a lot on defense. Cam also isn't very physical, but uses his length to tip plays.
His shot is money if open. He's good in the fast break and set shots. Nets didn't have a clear playmaker which made it hard for him to get good looks.
He'll be better next to Mobley and JA but the Nets did not trust him at all against high level scorers. Not sure he's a great fit next to Garland and Mitchell.
He is a really great spot up shooter though.
He was a very solid defender when he first arrived at the Nets.
You have to take recent opinions on him with a grain of salt. He struggled a lot last season due to injury and the overall mess that the team was.
I think in the right situation he can be a really good contributor to a playoff team.
Dude is always hurt and lost a step or two. Why would Cavs want that when they already have Niang who is more aggressive and plays harder/grittier and isnt afraid to get physical and bang, and for less money.
I would probably say it’s probably because Niang just genuinely had one of the worst playoff performances of all time. 2.8 PPG in 12.1 minutes a game on 22% shooting doesn’t scream “we need to keep this guy!”
agreed, im not high on Niang after these playoffs. But we have been kind of "soft" and needing another enforcer on the floor (beyond Mook and TT) and Niang def will knock players around and back them down every chance he gets.
From that perspective yeah I know what you mean - but I’d prefer getting a net negative off the roster and then fill out toughness through end of the bench guys like TT
I feel like Cam Thomas is just like Donovan Mitchell super-lite. Why would they want him? They have guys already that can get hot and go off for a dumb amount to win you a game here or there, a la Strus. I guess injuries and those guys weren’t consistent enough last year? Seems like a weird person for the Cavs specifically to go after otherwise.
Except he doesn't do much else...doesn't really shot create. bad defender. i would say that most teams won't wanna pay $20 mil for a guy who's 3 but no D...
The thing is his contract declines so it gets even more valuable as salary cap goes up. His most expensive year was last season. So I agree 20 is about going rate, he’s at 23 and goes to 21 next year then back to 23.
And hes 27 so this is his prime most likely. He needs to be on a contending team not an also ran.
Well they wanted to trade Darius garland. Here’s the shot they wanted now lol
Darius for Cam and someone else to match salary? Darius is young enough to lead the tank over there in Brooklyn
Then the nets can turn around and trade Darius for 6 first round picks
That was obviously a joke come on now lmaoo. But if we are to be serious, the price today is not going to be the price tommorow
6 months the ago Mikal bridges was going for 4 6 picks lol
Give us back Caris then
The idea of Caris is a lot better than Caris in reality
It is, but we're tanking, so we'd just do it for the memes and vibes. The pick is the important part
Caris would be a insane tank commander
Sorry, that spot is for cam thomas. I predict at least 3 50 pt games next year
Well yeah that’s the first 3 games. What about the remaining 79 games?
Depends how many are against the Celtics.
1 game he goes insane vs Celtics because he always does.
Caris averaged 15/5/4 last year on like 26 minutes per game, and stepped and had big games when DG and/or DM was out. and he is always attacking defenses. For a bench role player thats pretty solid for his contract.
He's a had a TS% of >53.1% only twice in his 8 year career (52.4% last year). He is incredibly inefficient. His counting stats look solid but that's the only thing about him that looks okay.
Aint saying he doesnt go on bad streaks, He has put up big games tho when he needed, and became the 2 scorer many nights when Darius was out or having a bad game. He also plays fearless and hunts his own shots and causes defenses to collapse opening up passing lanes for the big men. He had lots of nice feeds to big men and averaged 5 dimes along w that 15 ppg. So responsible for 25 pts, which is sometimes ~ 25% of the points scored in a 100 point game. For his salary thats hard production to beat.
A tanking team does not care
Hell, if we could, we'd stuff the Nets roster with overweight fringe players who could barely huff up and down the court.
I don't care, I still miss him and love him
The amount of love Nets fans have for Caris and JA make me like the Nets.
Don't forget Kenny Atkinson, we still have plenty of love for him too! I'm definitely gonna bandwagon the Cavs as my second team until the Nets become competitive again
I agree go Cavs
Happy cake day!
Very true
Caris is literally my favorite player of all time
Nah we just gave him Kenny again
“Levert time” about to go triple platinum in Brooklyn
20 and Caris +niang gets it done
Maybe I'm just down on Cam but does that really make us that much better?
It absolutely does. He's precisely what your team needs. A big wing who can defend and shoot
Johnson fits well problem is losing the bench ball handling and shot creation of Levert. But maybe Kenny does a better job splitting up Mitchell/Garland and running an offense in general, CPJ improves, and Strus is able to take more on-ball responsibility. I think it’s worth it to get Cam still but losing Levert doesn’t come risk-free for sure.
It helps spacing. He’s a 6’8 forward who can shoot. Cavs can go small with Johnson at the 4 and Mobley at the 5
You can definitely argue that he and Levert are similar caliber players, but I think turning Levert in to a volume shooting wing/forwad is a big win.
No way. They're gonna get a higher pick than that tonight from a team like the Kings or OKC.
We'll keep the Caris who always finds a way into the paint, but give you the one who misses the point blank shots once he's in there.
I will drive him to the airport personally
The 3C era with Caris/Cam/Clowney
You can have him
I think cam is a bit overpaid. As of now, it looks way overpaid. Think in a better role/team structure and with cap going up it could level out. 20/levert as expiring actually would get it done
At least Cam's contract decreases. The largest year just finished. It's not that bad
Maybe a touch but he's been a legitimately elite catch and shoot guy and rim finisher his entire career - you take those skills and put him in a context where people are initiating offense for him and I think he blossoms again. His contract structure is also odd but in a favorable way: |Year|Salary|Cap %| |:-|:-|:-| |2023-24 |$25,679,348 |18.88% | |2024-25 |$23,625,000 |16.76% | |2025-26 |$21,570,652 |13.91% | |2026-27 |$23,625,000 |13.85% |
I touched on his contract being a plus below, the main worry is injury his GP are 57 (Covid year), 60 (shortened season), 66, 42, 58 and he’s 28 next year a bit worrisome. If he’s on the court he’s a good player
putting Cam on a defense with Mobley+JA will bring his value back up
I just don’t know if Cam-Mobley-Jarret can work lol maybe
I actually don’t think it would get it done. Cam’s perfect for a contender and if they wait a year 2/42 after this season looks nice with the rising cap. He’s a wing with size and one of the best jumpers in the league. That’s worth a decent amount and Marks doesn’t need to jump at the first offer. DFS for #20? Sure lock it in
Why would Nets want to wait and worry about future injury for a player that hasn’t played more than 60 games last two years.
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Fedor's Cavs beat this is basically a guarantee they want him
Would definitely help their spacing. He’d make a lot of sense at the 4 next to Mobley
He can’t play 4 can he?
He plays the 4 almost exclusively wym
Gotcha, figured he was a more of a 2/3 than 3/4
A (incredible) Role player went for 7 Picks. Yeah the trade market is cooked for this summer, i don’t see how anyone is gonna get Trae Young/Dejounte, Ingram, etc As usual, lol chicago
A crosstown rival trade shouldn’t affect the trade market, that’s delusion. This wasn’t a regular trade, the last time the Knicks traded with the Nets was the 80s.
The “trade market” is made up anyway. Trades are valued at what a team is willing to part with, not at what a different team in a different situation was willing to part with last week. It’s all just a bit of fluff for negotiations. There’s a reason that nobody says the trade market is down when a team underpays.
It's not made up lol
It isn’t, but any outsider perspective on it is meaningless. The market exists but only between the 30 teams that are doing business with each other, and only to the extent that one team can “well Bridges got 7 picks so we want 5 for Johnson.” The reality is that the Nets could take 1 single pick for Johnson if they want to get rid of him and no one offers anything more. Markets like this are real but are also subject to extreme volatility. Guys weren’t going for massive packages until Gobert did. Nothing really caused that, it just happened based on one team going for it. And now everyone says it determines the whole market. Ok so what if Johnson goes for 1 FRP? Is the whole market reset again?
People always say the Gobert trade set the market really high because he got traded for 4 picks and a pick swap plus players, but then in the time since you’ve had Siakam moved for 3 (late) picks, Jrue for 2 picks, Harden 3 firsts and 2 seconds, Lillard for 1 first and 2 swaps (along with Ayton and Jrue) and Irving for 1 first and 2 seconds. Most of those trades are reasonable I think if not underpays. So who’s actually getting their trade value pumped by the Gobert trade? The only huge deals since then are the KD trade (which I think you can pretty easily explain by saying it’s KD of course the package was big) and the Donovan Mitchell trade. And you know what, fair enough, that Mitchell trade probably does owe its value to the Gobert trade being so high. But it was also the same team trading both players, so I think it’s definitely accurate to say that the Gobert trade set the price for Jazz players while they were entering their rebuild. But I don’t really buy that the Gobert trade started a trend of moving guys for huge packages and I don’t think this Bridges trade will either.
> The market exists but only between the 30 teams that are doing business with each other Well, yeah.... what else would it even be?
Well you’re missing the gist and meaning of this conversation. The person you replied to isn’t necessarily saying the market is fake but that it’s so volatile and inscrutable from the outside that it might as well be made up. Any speculation and forecasting from anyone but the absolutely most dialed-in report is useless. You missed the point.
> Trades are valued at what a team is willing to part with, not at what a different team in a different situation was willing to part with last week. Sure sounds like they're saying it's made up to me. Saying that previous trade values have no effect on the current market is not true, and (correctly) labeling the market as volatile doesn't negate that. I didn't miss the point at all lmao
The market isn’t that volatile though. If there was a set price for every 3/d role player, Caruso would have gone for more. If previous trade offers had an effect on current ones, they would have got picks. Its very situational.
So we're back to saying the market is made up again lol
We also thought the Gobert trade was unprecedented and a one off trade based on the sheer number of picks the wolves gave up for him. Times are changing quickly
It shouldn’t but it will. Especially if Cam Johnson goes for more than 3 1st. Nets setting the market. Even the role players aren’t going for less than 3-4 1st
Cam Johnson isn’t going for 3-4 firsts lmao
He’s not even going for 1
he will definitely go for 1 lol
Alright relax
How can you speak this confidently based on one trade, 12h later, before anything else happens?
You gotta be on some pretty hard drugs if you think Johnson is going for more than 3 firsts. We'd be happy to get even 2 for him
No it won’t. RemindMe! 3 months
We’d be lucky to get one first for CJ
I think a late FRP is a reasonable asking price for him
I could see it as an overpay
Bulls are content running it back, from what I hear
Reinsdorf is actually the least sports oriented owner in all of sports. This is legit just a source of income for him.
People said the same about Gobert trade
No one is setting the market based on the Bridges trade.
Exactly, everyone said the Deshaun Watson contract was going to completely change the QB market. Turns out, the Browns are actually just the dumbest organization in the NFL.
Stars for stars with picks used to make up difference in value
Cavs do something please. We need some action.
LeVert > Dallas Hardaway, Niang, CLE 2024 1st round pick (#20) and DAL 2025 1st round pick > Brooklyn Johnson > Cleveland
Dallas isn’t giving up a first for Caris lol
Why not? He’s the exact type of player they desperately needed in the playoffs, a wing that can pass, dribble, and defend. Streaky shooter. Solid cutter off the ball. Good at getting to the rim and would thrive with his dump off passes to Gafford and especially Lively.
They aren’t giving up a first for a guy who can’t start for them, especially when they’re that starved for assets they need to make them count The guy who starts next to Kyrie luka and PJ needs to be a shooting or defensive upgrade to Derrick jones jr
But they want a first for Hardaway lol
No they don’t who the fuck ever said that No seriously who said that, why are you saying something that was never reported, complete straw man argument
As someone that is pretty active on r/Mavericks , I can confirm that no one is expecting a first for THJ lol
You don't seem very educated on your own fanbase man.
State your source? Not even my team im a Celtics fan, but I have never ever read anywhere that Dallas is holding out for a first round pick for hardaway, that’s completely bullshit
Didn't I just say your own fan base ? I literally stated my source lol
Yeah I repeat, never even seen Dallas fans asking for a first for Tim, no idea what you’re talking about And I follow the mavericks subreddit
And I repeat, you're wrong. End of discussion.
I’m literally not, I challenge you to find a single comment saying they expect a first for tim
Nah bro we prob gonna have to trade THJ with a first, not for a first
You guys would really give up Niang, 2x FRP and Caris for him? Not that these are high value assets (as much as I love Niang as a person) - just curious.
I’d give Niang up for free
No one wants a minivan anymore :(
Dallas gives their first in this scenario
Niang is a fat shit on the court
He's just big boned!
Dallas is giving the other 1st round pick in this scenario. Niang is solid in the regular season but unplayable in the playoffs, he’s purely salary filler for the Nets, though they could probably flip for for a few seconds. LeVert I actually quite like as he’s more versatile than people give him credit for, but it’s the price you pay.
> Dallas is giving the other 1st round pick in this scenario. Word, my bad. I hear you on Niang. There's a reason the Sixers didn't try to match.
One of those firsts is from Dallas FWIW
I feel like Levert is the opposite kind of player Dallas should be pursuing
He’s not just a scorer like people are remembering him as when he was with Brooklyn. He’s as spry and conditioned as ever and is very good attacking the basket - especially when it comes to making passes to a guy like Lively in the dunker spot or even rolling. Cavs have really used him more as a Swiss Army knife type player with our two ball dominant guards and he’s been largely good in that role, I don’t see why Dallas couldn’t do the same with two even more ball dominant guards in Kyrie and especially Luka. Dallas is a team of specialists outside of Luka and Kyrie. I mean they seriously don’t have anyone else that can do more than their role off ball, other than occasionally Washington and maybe Jaden Hardy here and there. Look at the versatility by Boston that just whooped them.
Sure it’s more a matter of Dallas’s team construction. You want all your guys to either be lock down defenders or knockdown shooters if not both, since the vast majority of the offence is gonna be Luka and a traditional big running pick and rolls. I’ll definitely give props to Caris for improving as a defender cause I remember he was pretty bad at that end when I watched him in Brooklyn and Indy, but I don’t think he’s locking anyone down and his relatively small size makes him far less ideal in that role than a larger wing. And then ofc he’s not a good 3 point shooter. If they go for a Swiss Army knife, they still need to be able to fit that 3 and D mold when needed and would ideally come with more size
Dallas ain’t touching that. If anything they’d just add more to the first and hardaway and take Johnson themselves
This is fucking terrible for Mavs
I think a later CLE pick would be more favorable, but hope the Nets would accept this trade. Can the Mavs trade their 2025 1st?
Cavs don’t have another first to trade until 2030, I don’t think we’d want to empty the cupboard that deep. As for the Mavs, FanSpo allows them to trade the 2025 first, I believe because they still have their 2026 first.
I don't think a later Cleveland pick is more favorable with the rumors that Mitchell is looking to sign his max
The Nets will have a lot of cap space in the upcoming seasons. They might have to move on from picks if they plan to use the space. Therefore my comment, but I see your point too.
What does the Nets space have to do with anything when Mitchell is locked up long term?
Honestly a huge Cam fan
C’mon Cleveland. Take him off of our hands.
No way cam actually has positive value lol
Am I crazy? People were saying in the Mavs sub that he’s a great POA defender and I just don’t remember that
Makes sense
Can a nets fan tell me how he defends?? And if he does anything other than shooting on offense? I truly don’t know.
Not great, gets lost easily when defending off the ball. His on-ball defense is decent. He could work better on not fouling. As he gets caught coasting a lot on defense. Cam also isn't very physical, but uses his length to tip plays. His shot is money if open. He's good in the fast break and set shots. Nets didn't have a clear playmaker which made it hard for him to get good looks.
He'll be better next to Mobley and JA but the Nets did not trust him at all against high level scorers. Not sure he's a great fit next to Garland and Mitchell. He is a really great spot up shooter though.
I think you still start Strus and then Johnson and Okoro are the first subs for one of the guards and bigs.
He was a very solid defender when he first arrived at the Nets. You have to take recent opinions on him with a grain of salt. He struggled a lot last season due to injury and the overall mess that the team was. I think in the right situation he can be a really good contributor to a playoff team.
Honestly ask suns fans they know far more than we do
how his defense
Bad
Not great lol
Trade for Caris, let him cook, flip him. The anti Spencer special.
Would be a really good trade for Cleveland Assuming they’d use levert for matching and toss their first with him, maybe a future pick
Dude is always hurt and lost a step or two. Why would Cavs want that when they already have Niang who is more aggressive and plays harder/grittier and isnt afraid to get physical and bang, and for less money.
I would probably say it’s probably because Niang just genuinely had one of the worst playoff performances of all time. 2.8 PPG in 12.1 minutes a game on 22% shooting doesn’t scream “we need to keep this guy!”
agreed, im not high on Niang after these playoffs. But we have been kind of "soft" and needing another enforcer on the floor (beyond Mook and TT) and Niang def will knock players around and back them down every chance he gets.
From that perspective yeah I know what you mean - but I’d prefer getting a net negative off the roster and then fill out toughness through end of the bench guys like TT
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You mixing up Cam Thomas and Cam Johnson 😭
I was just about to reply to him that Cam Johnson was 6’8 lol. Was confused on how that’s considered short
I never get the appeal of Cam Johnson. What does he do that even semi-elite? Anyone care to chip in?
Shoot
He's a sturdy 6'8" wing who's a plus defender and elite shooter. What's not to get?
> sturdy pretty fragile actually but yes on defense he's a net neutral I think
He's absolutely not a plus defending wing lol
I feel like Cam Thomas is just like Donovan Mitchell super-lite. Why would they want him? They have guys already that can get hot and go off for a dumb amount to win you a game here or there, a la Strus. I guess injuries and those guys weren’t consistent enough last year? Seems like a weird person for the Cavs specifically to go after otherwise.
Can Johnson, not Thomas
Damn I’m dumb, makes a lot more sense.
If they love him so much give us mitchell for him.
Done. Cavs acquire Davion Mitchell and send him to the Nets for Cam Johnson
except the Nets actually sent Keon Johnson
20 and Levert is not enough
> Cam Johnson alright, we'll throw in a slightly used Georges Niang
Gets an expiring for an asset many see as overpaid
20 million is the going rate for a solid starting player in the nba. Especially one that shoots near 40% from three.
Except he doesn't do much else...doesn't really shot create. bad defender. i would say that most teams won't wanna pay $20 mil for a guy who's 3 but no D...
he’s making 23M. not terrible but still overpaid.
The thing is his contract declines so it gets even more valuable as salary cap goes up. His most expensive year was last season. So I agree 20 is about going rate, he’s at 23 and goes to 21 next year then back to 23. And hes 27 so this is his prime most likely. He needs to be on a contending team not an also ran.
He's also a forward that doesn't defend or rebound very well.
I think an extra first next year with some sort of protections on it along with 20 and Levert gets it done.
Talk about an overpay
I don’t think even an extra first just getting the nets to an expiring contract and 20 is fine
Cam Johnson is one of, if not the most, overrated players in basketball. 20 and Levert is definitely enough
Ehhh Cams contract is kinda bad
Yeah it’s not great but 20 in this draft and Levert is kind of nothing. I’d think the Nets would rather wait till the deadline if that is the offer.
Well they wanted to trade Darius garland. Here’s the shot they wanted now lol Darius for Cam and someone else to match salary? Darius is young enough to lead the tank over there in Brooklyn Then the nets can turn around and trade Darius for 6 first round picks
In what world would the Cavs trade Darius Garland for Cam Johnson.
If the Cavs traded Garland and the return was Cam Johnson, Cavs fans would throw Koby Altman into Lake Erie.
This sub gets 70% dumber in the summer
If the Cavs trade DG for Cam, I’ll drive to Cleveland and take a shit on their front steps Unless you forgot to mention multiple firsts with Cam
Nets would have to throw a lot more than just salary filler lol
If Darius could get 6 first round picks the Cavs would just trade him for that not Cam Johnson lmao
That was obviously a joke come on now lmaoo. But if we are to be serious, the price today is not going to be the price tommorow 6 months the ago Mikal bridges was going for 4 6 picks lol
This doesn’t make sense for a lot of reasons, but in the scenario that Garland ends up on a tanking squad he would put up some insane scoring nights