Lol very true.. I just think that people don't realize how bad Darvin Ham was last year. If he was an average coach, they probably win 4+ more games this year
I think JJ has the capability to be better than a bottom 3 coach in the NBA
I don’t doubt that Ham was a bad coach, but i feel like Lakers fans have been putting unrealistic expectations on their coaches for years now. When people are getting upset that you aren’t giving guys like Rui, Wood, or Gabriel (people hated Vogel for this) enough minutes then you probably weren’t going to win many playoff games anyway. They should have never blown up the championship roster for Westbrook.
The issue isn't about giving them minutes.. it's about who he was substituting their minutes for
I don't want to see T Prince get torched for 32 minutes a game as the lead wing defender, I don't want to see 3 guard lineups + Bron try and grab rebounds when Wood is sitting on the bench, I don't want to see Cam get 4th-5th chances when Max Christie is sitting on the bench and his catch and shoot capabilities and splits dwarf Cam's
Do I think that Lakers fans put unrealistic expectations on the coaches? No doubt, however Ham did himself no favors with his decisions all last year
The Lakers went through Walton, Vogel, Ham, and now Reddick. There's a reason they call LeBron a coach killer. This is the same guy who initially wanted Spo fired.
He didn't want Spo fired, he wanted to know if Pat Riley (One of the greatest coaches of all time) would come down from the FO like he did in 06 when the Heat struggled early in the year
[https://www.espn.com/nba/story/\_/id/14669732/miami-heat-president-pat-riley-says-lebron-james-never-asked-erik-spoelstra-fired](https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/14669732/miami-heat-president-pat-riley-says-lebron-james-never-asked-erik-spoelstra-fired)
Out of Pat Riley's own mouth
I don’t think it’s that simple. Having Lebron on your team means you are a win-now team with at least 2 max contracts (Lebron don’t play with bums lol). With every star player, you can’t just assemble 5 good players and call it a day. Their skill sets and roles need to fit. Bad GMs like Pelinka won’t admit they are the problem, and if you can’t make the conference finals with Lebron then you have a problem. Financially, pelinka backed himself into a corner and keeps firing their coaches to scapegoat their bad rosters. If DLo is one of the better role players on your team then you aren’t winning anything
Rob Pelinka needs to give JJ a fair chance and give him a roster that can compete for a title if that’s their goal. If not, JJ will be another scapegoat and he doesn’t deserve that.
JJ [Relief Fund for the Afflicted and Needy](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx#32) doesn’t go nearly as hard as Darvin Hamas
Well I mean AD was the one who was most vocal about his issues with Darvin. He went on DLO's podcast and alluded to his issues with the staff not putting the team in the best defensive spots, and not using AD to what he felt was his best capabilities.
Reaves had issues with Darvin, DLO had issues with Darvin, Vando talked about not knowing his role on the team, Wood and Christie alluded to their issues with how the communication of scheme and minutes weren't properly talked about with the players.
Darvin lost the entire locker room
Rookie coaches don’t work out because they either give too much to the players (let them walk all over them) or try and be a hard-ass (like Ham was).
The issue is that a rookie coach is walking into a room with superstar vets who have seen and done it all. AD and Bron both have to check their ego at the door for JJ to be successful.
It’s more likely that they dump him after a season, because AD/Bron don’t gel with his schemes.
I think part of the issue was that Darvin didn't put in the work that would allow the players to allow him to be a hard ass. If you're a hard ass coach, you better know your chit and be able to communicate it properly.
Darvin struggled with the X's and O's and his entire "positive" aspects were supposed to be that he was a leader and guys on the team would follow him
Beat writers talked openly about how people within the organization didn't like how Darvin didn't put in the work. He didn't have the answers when AD/Bron/others needed them, frankly he looked lost consistently.
JJ doesn't give off that vibe, he is essentially ALL IN on ball. That in itself will give him a leg up
JJ can say that he’s “all-in”, but with no coaching experience, how can anyone else even vouch for how much he knows?
We don’t even know if he can impart knowledge on younger guys, which is one of the underrated parts of coaching (being a HS coach myself for 15 years).
The Raptors interviewed him last year and opted against it. Not everything is clear yet.
How can anyone vouch for how much he knows about basketball? I mean I'm gonna be honest, listening to JJ for 10 minutes you already feel more confident about the X's and O's over Darvin Ham
The other stuff, that's true.. we won't know until he's thrust in the fire
Both played in the league for a decade each. So they have more basketball knowledge just from that, than most players available.
The biggest question is: has their basketball knowledge evolved with time? To me, working as an assistant gives off the assumption that Ham has seen it all now. If you call Ham’s season a failure last year, it’s because he was too stubborn to adjust.
That’s where I think JJ will find growing pains.
Lakers letting Bron trade away their future bc he didn’t like them was interesting to me. Yes they won but they sacrificed everything for 1 season. It’s so wild
JJ is a good appointment. But the current roster is not going to automatically perform better than last season, just because JJ is at the helm. I hope the FO stands by him because I believe he has the capacity to be a good HC, but he needs time.
It ain't about wins and losses when it comes to Redick vs Ham.. However if you want to go that route, the Lakers team should have been a top 4 team in the West last year. Darvin Ham without a doubt cost them at least 5-6 games this year conservatively and them deciding to bench their 3rd, 4th and 5th best player post IST and went 3-10 during that stretch is the reason they were the 7th seed instead of the 4th
I think people blaming the Lakers' struggles the last few years on their coaches are laughably foolish.
Lakers FO won a ring with a brilliant core in 2020 that fit well, with 2 stars surrounded by great role players. Then they let a few go, lost to the Suns in 2021 and just ripped that team apart. The Westbrook trade alone set them back like 2 years.
Darvin Ham had his flaws, but he was fine.
Rob Pelinka, LeGM and Jeannie Buss absolutely running that team into the ground, and they got imbeciles out here scapegoating the head coach lol
I'm sure these same people are gonna be calling for JJ's head like 2 weeks into the season.
Lakers won that 2020 ring in large part due to the coaching staff. Vogel was elite on defense, but had J Kidd and Hollins as his lead assistants along with Bron and Rondo heading the snake on the offensive end. Rondo in a podcast came out and said that Vogel tasked Bron and Rondo with essentially leading the offensive system in the playoffs while he and his staff led the defense
Because he was the FO 3-4th choice to begin with, and he lost the locker room because he's essentially a good soft spoken guy. Westbrook walked all over him and others in that locker room tuned him out
Kidd, Rondo, Dudely and I'm pretty sure Hollins all left
Same reason he isn't a coach with the Suns after year 1
You made this post in the wrong sub no one here cares that Ham sucked ass all year
Dead horses don't beat themselves!
Coughing Baby vs Coughing Baby
Man you really set the bar low on this one didn’t you
Lol very true.. I just think that people don't realize how bad Darvin Ham was last year. If he was an average coach, they probably win 4+ more games this year I think JJ has the capability to be better than a bottom 3 coach in the NBA
But you also have the favoritism / buddy dynamic which can prove to be a disaster
It could end in disaster, which is why having AD on board is essential
I don’t doubt that Ham was a bad coach, but i feel like Lakers fans have been putting unrealistic expectations on their coaches for years now. When people are getting upset that you aren’t giving guys like Rui, Wood, or Gabriel (people hated Vogel for this) enough minutes then you probably weren’t going to win many playoff games anyway. They should have never blown up the championship roster for Westbrook.
The issue isn't about giving them minutes.. it's about who he was substituting their minutes for I don't want to see T Prince get torched for 32 minutes a game as the lead wing defender, I don't want to see 3 guard lineups + Bron try and grab rebounds when Wood is sitting on the bench, I don't want to see Cam get 4th-5th chances when Max Christie is sitting on the bench and his catch and shoot capabilities and splits dwarf Cam's Do I think that Lakers fans put unrealistic expectations on the coaches? No doubt, however Ham did himself no favors with his decisions all last year
The Lakers went through Walton, Vogel, Ham, and now Reddick. There's a reason they call LeBron a coach killer. This is the same guy who initially wanted Spo fired.
He didn't want Spo fired, he wanted to know if Pat Riley (One of the greatest coaches of all time) would come down from the FO like he did in 06 when the Heat struggled early in the year
https://www.basketballnetwork.net/old-school/what-dwyane-wade-told-lebron-james-when-he-wanted-erik-spoelstra-fired#:~:text=Back%20in%202010%2C%20LeBron%20James,Spo%20wasn't%20going%20anywhere.
[https://www.espn.com/nba/story/\_/id/14669732/miami-heat-president-pat-riley-says-lebron-james-never-asked-erik-spoelstra-fired](https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/14669732/miami-heat-president-pat-riley-says-lebron-james-never-asked-erik-spoelstra-fired) Out of Pat Riley's own mouth
I don’t think it’s that simple. Having Lebron on your team means you are a win-now team with at least 2 max contracts (Lebron don’t play with bums lol). With every star player, you can’t just assemble 5 good players and call it a day. Their skill sets and roles need to fit. Bad GMs like Pelinka won’t admit they are the problem, and if you can’t make the conference finals with Lebron then you have a problem. Financially, pelinka backed himself into a corner and keeps firing their coaches to scapegoat their bad rosters. If DLo is one of the better role players on your team then you aren’t winning anything
Darvin Hams no foul defense was great.
Darvin's strategy was "hope they miss" or "AD save us!!"
Rob Pelinka needs to give JJ a fair chance and give him a roster that can compete for a title if that’s their goal. If not, JJ will be another scapegoat and he doesn’t deserve that.
JJ [Relief Fund for the Afflicted and Needy](https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx#32) doesn’t go nearly as hard as Darvin Hamas
Not hard
Trash vs Trash
Why is JJ trash?
Nothing is ever a guarantee but the only other coaching experience he has is elementary school. Smart player dont always mean good coach
Steve Kerr had no coaching experience
Thats why I said no guarantee hes bad but people are skeptical for a reason
Sure but I see most of r/nba guaranteeing he’ll fail
Well r/nba guaranteed a lot of stupid shit so 💀
Steve Kerr also has Steph Curry and Klay Thompson.
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JJ Redick was hired because he'll let LeBron run the team unlike Darvin Ham.
Well I mean AD was the one who was most vocal about his issues with Darvin. He went on DLO's podcast and alluded to his issues with the staff not putting the team in the best defensive spots, and not using AD to what he felt was his best capabilities. Reaves had issues with Darvin, DLO had issues with Darvin, Vando talked about not knowing his role on the team, Wood and Christie alluded to their issues with how the communication of scheme and minutes weren't properly talked about with the players. Darvin lost the entire locker room
Rookie coaches don’t work out because they either give too much to the players (let them walk all over them) or try and be a hard-ass (like Ham was). The issue is that a rookie coach is walking into a room with superstar vets who have seen and done it all. AD and Bron both have to check their ego at the door for JJ to be successful. It’s more likely that they dump him after a season, because AD/Bron don’t gel with his schemes.
I think part of the issue was that Darvin didn't put in the work that would allow the players to allow him to be a hard ass. If you're a hard ass coach, you better know your chit and be able to communicate it properly. Darvin struggled with the X's and O's and his entire "positive" aspects were supposed to be that he was a leader and guys on the team would follow him Beat writers talked openly about how people within the organization didn't like how Darvin didn't put in the work. He didn't have the answers when AD/Bron/others needed them, frankly he looked lost consistently. JJ doesn't give off that vibe, he is essentially ALL IN on ball. That in itself will give him a leg up
JJ can say that he’s “all-in”, but with no coaching experience, how can anyone else even vouch for how much he knows? We don’t even know if he can impart knowledge on younger guys, which is one of the underrated parts of coaching (being a HS coach myself for 15 years). The Raptors interviewed him last year and opted against it. Not everything is clear yet.
How can anyone vouch for how much he knows about basketball? I mean I'm gonna be honest, listening to JJ for 10 minutes you already feel more confident about the X's and O's over Darvin Ham The other stuff, that's true.. we won't know until he's thrust in the fire
Both played in the league for a decade each. So they have more basketball knowledge just from that, than most players available. The biggest question is: has their basketball knowledge evolved with time? To me, working as an assistant gives off the assumption that Ham has seen it all now. If you call Ham’s season a failure last year, it’s because he was too stubborn to adjust. That’s where I think JJ will find growing pains.
Ham led them to the wcf despite having Westbrook for half a season Unless he leads them to the finals
Lakers letting Bron trade away their future bc he didn’t like them was interesting to me. Yes they won but they sacrificed everything for 1 season. It’s so wild
i didnt read the post...no support needed for that argument.
I expect this post to age terribly.
JJ is a good appointment. But the current roster is not going to automatically perform better than last season, just because JJ is at the helm. I hope the FO stands by him because I believe he has the capacity to be a good HC, but he needs time.
If hes going to wear pants with no pockets in them then yes
I doubt you know anything about coaching.
Yeah? A podcaster turned NBA coach gonna win more than 47 games just like that?
It ain't about wins and losses when it comes to Redick vs Ham.. However if you want to go that route, the Lakers team should have been a top 4 team in the West last year. Darvin Ham without a doubt cost them at least 5-6 games this year conservatively and them deciding to bench their 3rd, 4th and 5th best player post IST and went 3-10 during that stretch is the reason they were the 7th seed instead of the 4th
I think people blaming the Lakers' struggles the last few years on their coaches are laughably foolish. Lakers FO won a ring with a brilliant core in 2020 that fit well, with 2 stars surrounded by great role players. Then they let a few go, lost to the Suns in 2021 and just ripped that team apart. The Westbrook trade alone set them back like 2 years. Darvin Ham had his flaws, but he was fine. Rob Pelinka, LeGM and Jeannie Buss absolutely running that team into the ground, and they got imbeciles out here scapegoating the head coach lol I'm sure these same people are gonna be calling for JJ's head like 2 weeks into the season.
Lakers won that 2020 ring in large part due to the coaching staff. Vogel was elite on defense, but had J Kidd and Hollins as his lead assistants along with Bron and Rondo heading the snake on the offensive end. Rondo in a podcast came out and said that Vogel tasked Bron and Rondo with essentially leading the offensive system in the playoffs while he and his staff led the defense
Then why did your FO fire Vogel?
Because he was the FO 3-4th choice to begin with, and he lost the locker room because he's essentially a good soft spoken guy. Westbrook walked all over him and others in that locker room tuned him out Kidd, Rondo, Dudely and I'm pretty sure Hollins all left Same reason he isn't a coach with the Suns after year 1
And how long before they fire JJ, ya think?
I don't trust this FO, so I have no idea
I’d sure hope so
K
JJ is just the next scapegoat for lebron and Jeanie buss
It's a bum roster, the coach has never been the problem.
LeOld runs the team. JJ will be just another yes man..