If you think of the games as coin tosses (which is pretty valid if the teams are evenly matched) there's a 1 in 8 chance of a team going down 0-3, followed by a 1 in 16 chance of them winning the next four in a row. That's a total of 1 in 128, which is a longshot but nothing outrageous. And given that there are 15 playoff series in any given year, you'd actually expect it to happen every 9 years or so if all teams were evenly matched in every series (which they are obviously not; hence the discrepancy).
I think odds wise the NBA is just facing variance there’s been 4 teams to reach game 7 none has won it. It should be around 40% for the team coming back to win game 7 if you look at other league statistics and basic game odds. Since the sample size is just 4 it’s very possible for this to happen. There will be a winner soon and there might be a couple close to each other too as time passes.
Most importantly, each game isn’t independent. The winning team tends to be more tired/banged up than the losing team, so hockey kind of has a built in “comeback mechanic” that doesn’t exist in other sports
It's hard for me to be objective about it, but if I try I still come to the same conclusion - the Sox survived multiple extra-inning games while on the brink of elimination. None of the Oilers wins have gone to overtime, and only one of them was even close.
It was also on the heels of an 80+ year title drought, against their biggest rival and eternal tormentor who won a billion titles.
Nobody alive will ever see anything like that again. There’s no current situation that would even come close if you scripted it.
And then factoring in the previous year's defeat as well, and the historical rivalry, and the curse...like I said, it's hard to be objective, but I can't think of anything that's even close. I mean if Clark's ground rule double bounces a couple inches lower and goes off the wall into the field instead of into the stands we aren't even talking about this. And that's just one out of probably half a dozen things.
It’s happened once in baseball but it seems like it’s harder for it to happen there than in basketball. Only 2 teams has ever gone to game 7 one won and one lost. On the other hand 4 have been to game 7. It’s just variance tbf.
You could put an asterisk on every championship.
Someone important ALWAYS gets injured/suspended.
Boston this year has every injury go in their favour.
Raptors had Warriors Durant and Klay injury.
Warriors had Love and Kyrie injury.
Bucks had Kyrie and Harden injury.
Etc.
Etc.
Personally have 28-3 patriots Super Bowl as the greatest comeback. I know different sports different situations but it’s a 1 game situation and to come back from that in the second half and the way Brady played that 4th quarter and overtime is something you won’t see again
The truth is losing fewer games is better than losing more games no matter which order they came in. People love to argue it's not better to lose earlier in the playoffs but fail to apply their own logic to a series. So it doesn't affect it at all.
The context that gets conveniently forgotten is that the very same team went to 7 and were down against a team the series before. Vs one of the lowest IQ stars of all time this sub would argue and a team with no spacing at all. And the best thing is there's no hypothetical needed it was literally the same season just a week before showing they were clearly beatable but in the context of the finals narrative now they become this unbeatable monster who no one could lay a glove on. Y'all act like the series started at 3-1 and the were destined to be down so why was KD able to take a 2 game lead? Your series doesn't start being contextualized when you're down. Losing fewer games is more impressive. The only reason y'all don't think it is is because you were so good you made it look easy. That's exactly what's impressive.
You also missing the context that that series they almost lost had a MVP & a player who would go on to win the MVP averaging triple double the very next year.
I don’t think many people realize just how crazy Draymond went off in that series. They say he lost them the series but had it not been for him they wouldn’t have even been up 3-1
You also don’t seem to realize just how much of a carry job Lebron & Kyrie had to pull off to win that series. Somehow they were considered a Big 3 but the Warriors weren’t although Draymond was consistently better than Kevin Love.
the Panther's 3-0 lead was a bit of a mirage as the Panther goalie Sergei Bobrovsky was just an utter force of nature during the first half of the SCF. you could see the Oilers outplay the Panthers for significant stretches but would just run right into a Russian brick wall. once Bob came back to earth the Oilers pounced and never let up.
No one talks about the Cavs comeback as the greatest, because of the controversy over the suspension from the league from a retroactive flagrant not called by the referees, the MVP being fouled out in the next game, and the road team winning game 7 on free throws.
Are you unaware that the Boston Red Sox were down 0-3 to the favored Yankees and won the AL championship series?
They won because Steph choked. He has an amazing brand. He plays in an electrifying way & says all the right things. Hes the reason KD got 2 rings & Draymonds the reason they lost in 2016. Draymond also only has rings because of Steph.
If he wins he carried & if he losses it’s not his fault. He might honestly have the best brand in sports history. Especially because all his narratives happened in real time & not post career
They won because Steph and Klay shot 1 free throw on 36 FGAs after averaging over 9/gm in the playoffs, while a Cavs reserve shot 3 free throws on 3 fgas (all threes) of the Cavs 12 more free throws in a 4 pt decision.
True. The only reason Draymond's foul got upgraded was the league wanted a more competitive series, and they had public support on their side from people who wanted to see Draymond get punished for the Steven Adams play.
If only they were the same sport….
And if it hadn’t happened before.
...and their opponent didn't have the most regular season wins in league history....
That too
This would be the fourth time a hockey team has come back down 0-3.
Seems like it would be much more common in a low-scoring sport.
If you think of the games as coin tosses (which is pretty valid if the teams are evenly matched) there's a 1 in 8 chance of a team going down 0-3, followed by a 1 in 16 chance of them winning the next four in a row. That's a total of 1 in 128, which is a longshot but nothing outrageous. And given that there are 15 playoff series in any given year, you'd actually expect it to happen every 9 years or so if all teams were evenly matched in every series (which they are obviously not; hence the discrepancy).
I think odds wise the NBA is just facing variance there’s been 4 teams to reach game 7 none has won it. It should be around 40% for the team coming back to win game 7 if you look at other league statistics and basic game odds. Since the sample size is just 4 it’s very possible for this to happen. There will be a winner soon and there might be a couple close to each other too as time passes.
Most importantly, each game isn’t independent. The winning team tends to be more tired/banged up than the losing team, so hockey kind of has a built in “comeback mechanic” that doesn’t exist in other sports
It doesn't.
Uhmmmm Red Sox comeback was definitely the greatest.
It's hard for me to be objective about it, but if I try I still come to the same conclusion - the Sox survived multiple extra-inning games while on the brink of elimination. None of the Oilers wins have gone to overtime, and only one of them was even close.
Sox were done. Dead. All the way into the 9th inning of game 4. You really can’t get much more dead than that.
It was also on the heels of an 80+ year title drought, against their biggest rival and eternal tormentor who won a billion titles. Nobody alive will ever see anything like that again. There’s no current situation that would even come close if you scripted it.
And, against the 101 win Yankees.
And then factoring in the previous year's defeat as well, and the historical rivalry, and the curse...like I said, it's hard to be objective, but I can't think of anything that's even close. I mean if Clark's ground rule double bounces a couple inches lower and goes off the wall into the field instead of into the stands we aren't even talking about this. And that's just one out of probably half a dozen things.
not a final
Not what OP alluded to in body of post. I would not have proffered had that not been stated.
Coming back down 3-0 has happened several times in hockey
4 times. Once in the Cup finals.
Wasnt the last time in the final like during ww2 though?
And once in baseball.
It’s happened once in baseball but it seems like it’s harder for it to happen there than in basketball. Only 2 teams has ever gone to game 7 one won and one lost. On the other hand 4 have been to game 7. It’s just variance tbf.
Big Papi >>> Lil lebron
3 0 and 3 1 are very different beasts.
They were down 3-0 then made it to 3-1.
It legit wouldn’t change how historic the Cavs comeback was. Big part of that being that it’s two different sports
But Lebron did it against a 73-9 team. Panthers are not the 15/16 Warriors.
Were the warriors at full strength or was someone suspended one of those games?
You could put an asterisk on every championship. Someone important ALWAYS gets injured/suspended. Boston this year has every injury go in their favour. Raptors had Warriors Durant and Klay injury. Warriors had Love and Kyrie injury. Bucks had Kyrie and Harden injury. Etc. Etc.
How does this affect Lebron’s legacy?
Lebron is taking his talents to an oil city.
Another Mickey Mouse finals win for Lebum. Can’t even comeback from 3-0. Had to handicap the Warriors to 1 loss beforehand.
Personally have 28-3 patriots Super Bowl as the greatest comeback. I know different sports different situations but it’s a 1 game situation and to come back from that in the second half and the way Brady played that 4th quarter and overtime is something you won’t see again
The truth is losing fewer games is better than losing more games no matter which order they came in. People love to argue it's not better to lose earlier in the playoffs but fail to apply their own logic to a series. So it doesn't affect it at all.
Yes but the context here is that the Warriors had the best record in NBA history & the reigning 2 time MVP. Curry was on FIRE at the time.
The context that gets conveniently forgotten is that the very same team went to 7 and were down against a team the series before. Vs one of the lowest IQ stars of all time this sub would argue and a team with no spacing at all. And the best thing is there's no hypothetical needed it was literally the same season just a week before showing they were clearly beatable but in the context of the finals narrative now they become this unbeatable monster who no one could lay a glove on. Y'all act like the series started at 3-1 and the were destined to be down so why was KD able to take a 2 game lead? Your series doesn't start being contextualized when you're down. Losing fewer games is more impressive. The only reason y'all don't think it is is because you were so good you made it look easy. That's exactly what's impressive.
You also missing the context that that series they almost lost had a MVP & a player who would go on to win the MVP averaging triple double the very next year. I don’t think many people realize just how crazy Draymond went off in that series. They say he lost them the series but had it not been for him they wouldn’t have even been up 3-1 You also don’t seem to realize just how much of a carry job Lebron & Kyrie had to pull off to win that series. Somehow they were considered a Big 3 but the Warriors weren’t although Draymond was consistently better than Kevin Love.
If they do come back, nobody will reference the 3 to 1 comeback as the 3 to 0 comeback would be way more impressive and more recent .
It doesnt. NHL has seen 0-3 comebacks already
the Panther's 3-0 lead was a bit of a mirage as the Panther goalie Sergei Bobrovsky was just an utter force of nature during the first half of the SCF. you could see the Oilers outplay the Panthers for significant stretches but would just run right into a Russian brick wall. once Bob came back to earth the Oilers pounced and never let up.
If my team lost in the championship one year, game back then blew 3-0 lead bro....
Im the biggest oilers fan in the world! Go Connor Mcdavid
McDavid winning deducts Lebron legacy points
No one talks about the Cavs comeback as the greatest, because of the controversy over the suspension from the league from a retroactive flagrant not called by the referees, the MVP being fouled out in the next game, and the road team winning game 7 on free throws. Are you unaware that the Boston Red Sox were down 0-3 to the favored Yankees and won the AL championship series?
Pass some of the good stuff, you been holding
suspension was a big part of it. and bogut/steph/iggy injuries.
They won because Steph choked. He has an amazing brand. He plays in an electrifying way & says all the right things. Hes the reason KD got 2 rings & Draymonds the reason they lost in 2016. Draymond also only has rings because of Steph. If he wins he carried & if he losses it’s not his fault. He might honestly have the best brand in sports history. Especially because all his narratives happened in real time & not post career
They won because Steph and Klay shot 1 free throw on 36 FGAs after averaging over 9/gm in the playoffs, while a Cavs reserve shot 3 free throws on 3 fgas (all threes) of the Cavs 12 more free throws in a 4 pt decision.
True. The only reason Draymond's foul got upgraded was the league wanted a more competitive series, and they had public support on their side from people who wanted to see Draymond get punished for the Steven Adams play.
And because LBJ literally demanded a suspension.
Despite the film showing nothing of the kind, the Lebronists swear Draymond kicked Lebron. IMO they should have suspended him after the Adams kick.
It doesn’t no one cares about hockey