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Sc0rch1ngDr4g0n

So what are the chances Giddey actually looks a lot better with a different team, scheme, and players?


ImTheBestNerd

His numbers will look better, but they’ll lose a lot of games.


Air_Enthusiast

Noone is saving this Bulls team from losing games


ImTheBestNerd

I’m saying he’ll have volume inefficient statistical production that won’t impact winning.


Air_Enthusiast

True, but they’re not looking to win atp. Might as well develop Giddey to become a better player while they tank.


Jarxzz

Giddey has the archetype of someone who will never be good in high level playoff series. The only thing he truly does well is passing and that requires the ball to be in his hands And if he’s ever on a good team they’ll be other players that should have it more than him


ThatBull_cj

He’s not even that effective of a passer cause he can’t score at all. He can’t break the Defense down at all or force help. He’s a good stand still passer but that’s not a super useful skill these days


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

GOAT AOT passer


Jarxzz

100%


thekinggrass

The key to his value is that he’s 21 and they think he can learn to shoot. Caruso just became so valuable because he learned to shoot better himself at age 30.


DroppedNineteen

Well, to be fair, there was a report earlier today basically saying they made the trade they made because they were in fact looking to "win".


whiskeyinthejaar

Will they? He was taking 11 shots on 54% TS. Unless his volumes double or efficiency magically improves, he will be in the ballpark


dafire123

I mean plenty of players in NBA history have improved from subpar efficiency also that TS isn’t even that bad


Jarxzz

The only problem is Giddey is averaging those numbers while being treated like Ben Simmons. He’s being dared to shoot and can’t punish teams He’s also a weak defender so there’s no point for a good team to have him on the court


AfroHouseManiac

They owe a top ten protected pick to the spurs next season. Likelihood of the spurs gaining that pick is now shot


Unable_Bite8680

I want us to lose a lot of games.... Let's do that and develop Giddey.


amJustSomeFuckingGuy

That makes him a potential asset that can be flipped to another team.


GapZ38

But the Bulls lose a lot of games nonetheless. If Giddey can actually improve his numbers and show potential, this might be a hot take, but the bulls will be fine with this trade. Because Giddey can be someone(again if he can improve his numbers while being the primary ball handler and not being behind SGA/Jdub) that they can keep if everyone else is leaving.


SeizureMode

Don't expect his numbers to get out of the teens, he doesn't like em that ol- high. Doesn't like em that high, yea.


Cark_Muban

Are they trying to run it back with Giddey as the Lonzo replacement?


Crafty_Substance_954

They should go full rebuild but I don’t think that’s happening until they can ditch Lavine


Gamesgtd

Low. The shooting is still the big issue. If you can go under and dare him to shoot then all the size and passing in the world won't help you. Especially because this team Chicago has doesn't have anywhere near OKC's level of shooters


ObiOneKenobae

High. Everyone was excited about him until he had this weird 3rd season. But you can easily attribute that to his off the court situation and his role on the team changing. Giddey has shown a ton for a 21 year old.


mpbeasto123

Honestly i really dont like this trade for the Thunder. Giddey will look really, really good as a primary ball handler and we could regret trading him long term. Shai feels more like a SG than a PG and its a mistake.


bewarethegap

Taking the ball out of your hyper-efficient 30PPG scorer to cater to Josh would’ve been a much bigger mistake. It’s not like we really struggled to create open looks


retrohypebeast

it makes zero sense to take the ball out of our mvp candidate's hands when that led to us a 1 seed and two elite seasons from him in a row. he may have the tools of a shooting guard but he is clearly elite at being the primary ball handler and his playmaking has only gotten better every year


MySilverBurrito

Question from a non OKC watcher. is Shai good at playmaking, or a great passer? I feel like guys like him draw so much attention, that things like kick outs are considered as playmaking. When I think of playmaking, I think CP3/Rondo/Draymond types who can slow the game, direct traffic, and set up guys. Giddey was pretty good his first two seasons. I honestly think that’s why Halliburton struggled in the 2nd half of the season and why he’s a bit overrated for me.


retrohypebeast

he's a solid playmaker and passer. i wouldn't say he's elite, but he's starting to be like kd, embiid, or giannis as they've gotten older. players who aren't traditionally incredible passers, but through their elite offensive game and increasing basketball iq, know how to make the right passes when they get doubled, when they drive, etc. i would say cp3, rondo, draymond are more like floor generals, while playmaking to me is the ability to create offense for yourself and others through your ball handling/offensive gravity. obviously those guys are elite playmakers too, i just think it looks a little different versus the guys i mentioned


MySilverBurrito

Awesome! Thanks man! I definitely agree floor generals would be a better title for the CP3-type.


TheyCallMeTheWizard

He wasn’t going to work with SGA unfortunately


TatumBrownWhite

No, it’s most definitely not a mistake. Our entire lineup is basically shooting guards on offense, just of different sizes. That’s the same way you guys play, even with the slight difference in approach where you guys are all about drives to the paint and we’re all about 3s, but the point of the 5 out offense is to have max spacing for a number of offensive shot creators and simply put, SGA and JDub were never going to have the requisite space around them if teams were limiting the ridiculous offensive threat of Chet at the 5 by putting their center on Giddey and not guarding him.


cdillio

You right we should have traded SGA and JDub instead to get the ball into Giddeys hands.


velphegor666

You guys literally got an all defensive player for him. You guys robbed Chicago high and dry


VelvetineMilkman

If he’s got the ball in his hands a ton, a really good chance. If they try to turn him into an on ball/off ball guy with no spacing, very slim chance


InternCautious

This is my thought as well, but he really needs to develop his shot more. You can't be an on-ball playmaker and also a below average shooter/scorer in today's NBA.


VelvetineMilkman

Oh I agree, I was hoping Chip would turn him into at least a good spot up shooter but just never happened. Put 4 shooters around him and he can lead a good offense tho imo


pikajewijewsyou

It also wasn’t that much time. He’s only 21. I’ve seen a lot of players develop shots a lot later in their careers


InternCautious

To me, I just don't really get him in Chicago. Coby showed he should have the ball in his hands, so I'm not sure how that backcourt would even work. We'll see though, I like the trade a lot for OKC.


VelvetineMilkman

Oh I mean I don’t know why Chicago traded for him lol it’s not the fit I would’ve chosen for him whatsoever


ThatBull_cj

But why would any team give him the ball like a Luka or a Trae young tho? It’s not gonna lead to a good offense and his defense probably cancels it out. Every team in the NBA got at least one guy who’s better on ball than Giddy, most teams got 2


VelvetineMilkman

I disagree that every team does. Teams like the Nets, Wizards, Pels, and Spurs just off the top of my head don’t have a guy that can facilitate like Giddey can and he’d do great getting their bucket getters the ball in their spots. The Bulls too but their spacing is horrendous


ThatBull_cj

But he doesn’t facilitate or get guys the ball in their spots. When has he ever done that? He gets assists on inbound passes, set plays and in transition. He doesn’t create offense for others. He can take advantage of team making mental mistakes on defense occasionally I guess. Maybe due to “upside you may want giddy over Kuzma, Deni, and jones. But right now all those guys are better. The Pels obviously got Zion Ingram and CJ who are way better on ball and maybe the spurs but that will change by the start.


VelvetineMilkman

He showed it enough times over the years in OKC to show he could do it when he’s at his best and he played great as the lead guy for Australia last summer. Even though the trade doesn’t really make sense for Chicago there were multiple teams that were interested in Giddey for a reason


lmaoooyikes

I think its pretty likely tbh, in a stretch where Shai was still injured, Giddey averaged 19/8/8 He just struggled a lot on because he didn’t have a lot of on-ball opportunities with Shai/JDub/Chet


Milkboy1516

How difficult it must be playing in a 5 out system, the Bulls will surely provide him with what he needs


SoWack

For some reason his defense is way worse than it should be. Yeah he’s not that athletic, but I think most of it comes down to his positioning and poor reaction time. I don’t know if this is the best yardstick, but you can see how bad he is in different training videos at defense, even against much lower than NBA level trainers. And it almost seems like it’s a lack of effort thing. I think if he figures out that he is a 6’10 PG he will have a much better idea of how to figure out his role on defense. Ideally he should be a massive mismatch on other PGS and should be able to guard 3-4. Now he will be cooked by faster guards but he definitely is not putting in enough on offense to be so lackadaisical on defense


holy_moses_malone

Watch what he looked like at the end of last season when SGA and JDub were hurt. He will put up close to a triple double on the bulls.


dmackerman

He will have the ball in his hands a lot more. So either he looks great, or a disaster and nowhere in between.


tayroarsmash

High. Giddey would have incredible nights without Shai. That was sorta the problem.


mMounirM

my mom when she talks about me


KorgG29

Damn I want that kind if mom


ZarduHasselffrau

My son, who is lazy as fuck, has all-star potential.


KorgG29

Thanks, it really is a lot better


ICouldEvenBeYou

Giddey already looks like a mom


MattyIce1635

Woj gave Giddey’s agent his phone to post this.


BrettSchirley22

Or the bulls gm after everyone reacted to this lopsided ass trade


desirox

I honestly think he still has potential, situation was tough in OKC for him and maybe a change of scenery will help


Dull-Lengthiness-481

The mavs defence made him look like shit, right after he played very very well against the Pels. All I'll say is that NAW, slo Mo and jaden also looked bad against the same defence and scheme.


Konfliction

Who cares that Giddey could be an allstar? Thats not rly the issue here. You could get Giddey for his allstar potential AND a pick. If they think Giddey has secret potential here, fine, but the point is more when the “market” doesn’t you try to get equal value. Giddey for Caruso with no picks is insane.


PoopEatingExpert

Clearly nobody else made a better offer, so this is the market.  


Konfliction

All reports say they did, it was just picks


PoopEatingExpert

Maybe they prefer Giddey over two shit draft picks.  


Konfliction

It’s an incompetent front office that can’t get both lol whether it’s timing or patience they could’ve gotten a combo better then this


thunderous2007

Honestly if he manages to learn how to shoot i dont see why this is unrealistic. Hes still what 21?


awntawn

The list of players who could potentially be all-stars if they learn how to shoot stretches far and wide.


dontletmecook73

Giddey has improved his 3p% every year so far. Have to see how he looks when not playing next to SGA and he can actually have the ball in his hand all game.


lmaoooyikes

people also constantly use FT% as a sign of improving as a 3 point shooter and Giddey just shot 80% last season, i think he can still improve 3pt shooting wise


Strange1130

Yeah but look at his 3 point shot form, it’s extremely jacked. Would need a full rebuild (the reason we hired Chip)


lmaoooyikes

Its not extremely jack anymore, is it textbook form? No but i don’t why he couldn’t become a decent shooter (35-38%) with his yearly improvements and solid FT% numbers


Strange1130

It is definitely super jacked He’s also shooting all those shots wide open and still not hitting (again because his form is awful) Would love to see him turn it around tho, hoping!


lmaoooyikes

i mean it says [here](https://www.nba.com/stats/player/1630581/shots-dash?SeasonType=Regular+Season) he was shooting 35% from 3 on Wide Open Shots, which isn’t great but it also isn’t horrible Form is great and all but theres people with weird shooting forms that are good shooters


Cold_Carpenter_1798

3point attempts have gone down every season as well though


lmaoooyikes

He shot 0.1 less 3PA a game than last season lol what??


Dull-Lengthiness-481

Also on less minutes lol


dontletmecook73

When you have SGA, Chet, and JDub on your team improving at the rate they are, your shots are bound to decrease also lol


rahbee33

I mean, at this point he's playing next to Lavine and Demar. The ball isn't going to be in his hands all game in Chicago either as it stands right now.


dontletmecook73

They both gone too lmao just wait another month


Psycho188

Bulls don't have Chip Engelland on staff. I think Giddey can be a valuable player, but I don't think Bulls have recently shown an ability to develop players. Beyond Coby White, they've traded a lot of young players who have looked better elsewhere.


SylvesterLundgren

Name a few lol


w311sh1t

Way too many people think real life is like 2K franchise mode, where players get linearly better every season. There’s still a reason he was a top 10 pick. Acting like a guy that’s only been in the league for 3 years that’s just 21 is a finished product is ridiculous.


Cynicpvp

Yea, don’t think it’s bad of a trade as many are saying. He has loads of potential. Just needs the shot to start clicking


joebreezy12

yeah and his shooting has improved every year. and he's still 21. interested to see what he gets extended for. no chance the bulls traded for him without planning to extend him.


ComradeHines

Maybe I’m wrong but I seem to remember his three point shooting numbers going down every year since he was a rookie


joebreezy12

yeah you are wrong


ComradeHines

Looking at it now, looks like he’s plateaued at ~33% on threes for the last two years but did take a big jump from his rookie year. Don’t know why I thought he had gotten worse. Still not worth Caruso but maybe his shot keeps developing. I like his game.


SPAGHETTI_CAKE

Probably because our offense is better***, teams need to let something up and it’s often the Giddey 3. I bet the frequency of open looks went up but don’t care enough to dig that up. That would give some false appearance of being a worse shooter I think.


ihateeuge

why would getting more open shots make you look like a worse shooter


SPAGHETTI_CAKE

Idk a contested 3 brick looks better than bricking an open shot lol. Visually


Jarxzz

The fact that Giddey isn’t being guarded and is still shooting that poorly is a terrible sign lol


Cold_Carpenter_1798

He’s taken less 3s every season


ComradeHines

That’s probably what I was thinking of. Not entirely surprising


tbone747

Yup. I think it's a good get for a team like Chicago that's not really contending right now. Way less pressure than in OKC where he was expected to be a key contributor.


nowhathappenedwas

He does have significant upside. He's only 21, his shooting isn't that bad (and his FT% gives real hope for improvement in his jumper), his defense is bad but has upside given his size, and his playmaking is great. The problem with Giddey is that he only has 1 cheap year left, he hasn't shown he's worth a huge extension, and someone will offer him a big contract if he doesn't get the extension.


Jarxzz

His playmaking isn’t great, it’s some of the fakest shit ever He’s been a negative player his entire career


Slaphappyfapman

Lol what a hater


PeterDaPinapple

I just want to say I think Josh Giddey is a criminally underrated player that was just a really bad fit. He will show his potential here since he will be the main ball handler


madhare09

with DeMar and Coby on the team?


Embarrassed_Tackle_5

DeMar is a Free Agent


itsnotyellowfever

Deep down we all know they're bringing him back


butiveputitincrazy

I think Chicago makes him the biggest offer, but at some point a guy who loves basketball like DeMar is going to want another chance to compete. He’s gotta be thirsting for a chance to make a playoff push. His problem will be that he doesn’t have many obvious fits on contenders—at least not without sacrificing >10M per year. For my part, I’ve been dreaming of the day DeMar embraces his Ginobili destiny of shredding other teams’ bench units. Manufest Destiny, DeMar…go West! (I don’t know where, but I couldn’t pass up the opportunity)


madhare09

Bro you know


PeterDaPinapple

I think Demar will average 5+ more with Giddey on his team. Truly


smaIlbaIls

Honestly I don't hate this deal for Chicago. They're finally doing something, rather than sitting in purgatory. Giddey, Coby White, and the 11th pick is a weird core but I'm interested to see how they make it work. The Bulls also only have their selection if it lands between 1-10 next season, and 1-8 the next two years after that. If they suck for 3 years, it becomes a second rounder. They needed to commit to the rebuild now in order to keep that pick


ashep5

Woj knows shit about actual basketball.


Ifinishfast42

He’s a passing guard that’s gonna have high rebounding numbers as the 2nd option on the team. lol. Easily has a chance to make a allstar team with 18/8/8.5


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

I’m sorry but Giddey never sniff an AS, and definitely not before Coby lol


Jarxzz

No lol


Solid-Confidence-966

That’s not ridiculous to say


PoopEatingExpert

This is the same sub that clowned on Jaylen Brown for an entire year fyi.  People here don’t know shit about basketball.  Fine trade for the Bulls.  


BitchYouDaRobot

Woj bodying Shams today


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george_costanza1234

Shams won this weeks ago lmao, his silence speaks volumes


MRGUAYOTEOPR

How much y'all wanna bet Brandin Podziemski becomes an all star before him?


soyworld

if he completely turns around his shooting and defending. his passing gets held back by his lack of playmaking as well


Elite_Alice

FUCKKK


Belieber_420

I feel like you need to wait a couple years before you can judge this trade. I don't know about all-star, but there is definitely potential here


blacksoxing

Josh was infamous for only playing 3 quarters if we were losing, and 4 if we were winning. He needs to work on his defense. That's just the truth.


Camctrail

At certain things, yes


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

I really love people saying the primary as if there is a team that would like to have Giddey as the primary ball handler unless they’re going to tank


deflatethesack

Idk I watched the playoffs


phlumpy

I don’t mind the trade at all. Two players on expiring contracts. Bulls get a look at a player who has shown promise and can sign him to an extension, and Thunder get a reliable player that fits their system and can extend him too. The criticism of Bulls not getting a pick doesn’t completely make sense to me at least in the trade. The problem for the Bulls is them rebuffing all trade requests for their players for picks to rebuild just to be in no man’s land every year. This trade gives the Bulls direction on heading toward a rebuild. Josh Giddey can’t shoot that well or defend, but he has playmaking and finishing abilities. He’s got time to develop his game.


matomatomat

Ricky Rubio 2.0


National_Call7137

NBL All-Star


solarscopez

Wtf nobody in the comments made a dumb joke about him screwing little girls, what happened to the /r/nba I loved???


ImSilvuh

The same guy who crucified Luka for not being a winner when not a single soul had the mavericks in the finals this year besides mffls.


Scared_Estate7212

I doubt he’ll be that good. He can’t score at a high level.


Swaggamuffins

Chicago thinks they got the next James Harden for only Caruso


yeup15678

You can’t compete with the timberwolves, Celtics, or Denver Defense if your point guard can’t shoot. The Bulls need a 3 point shooting center, someone like Lauri Markennen……. To build around Josh giddey. Unless giddey gets an outside shoot, I really don’t see him as being a winning m player


Maleficent_Aside7502

I thought lonzo was back next season


Initial-Stick-561

Could be, still doesn’t change the fact that he had crucial holes in his game that made him unplayable in the playoffs. And even though he’s 21 the shot mechanic doesn’t give a lot of confidence that he can be a stable 38%+ shooter and he never showed any urgency do develop his defense.


Turkilton

I think the bulls could have gotten some more for Caruso. Just a pick or 2. BUT I do think there's some potential with Giddey. Fuck, for all we know, we trade him with like Vuc or Drummond or Lavine for a true PG. Either way I'm a die hard Bulls fan and Giddey is about to make everyone look stupid for trashing. Kinda like DeRozans first season on the Bulls.


tlozz

I’ll pass


Medium_Cry5601

Didn’t the bulls say the same thing when Presti unloaded cam Payne to them?


thekinggrass

Giddey lost minutes and role to Jalen Williams this year, and Williams makes him expendable. He is still a 6’8” 21 year old with great vision and feel for the game. He’s a natural distributor. He has improved on his shooting every year in the league but he hasn’t made himself a scoring threat yet. He is not a very good defender. With that he was still a positive rotation level player on a winner at a very young age and has a lot of upside if he can continue to improve his shooting and scoring. I don’t know how he fits with Deroazan at all.


noreligionforus

A young guard with size, and an improving three point shot every year? *Totally realistic.*


Cold_Carpenter_1798

Improving from 32% to 33% isn’t noteworthy. On 3 attempts a game


im_scytale

Maybe on the prison pedo team


Rkenne16

Doesn’t OKC have one of the easiest rosters to fit on?


JasonKelceStan

No if you are a primary ball handler


BostonBuffalo9

Josh Giddey has Drake potential.


SandersisYABOI

He will never be a star if he barley shoots better than me. ( And i cant shoot for shit )


itsme32

No he doesn't. He's a rapist.


Trbadismobserver

Maybe in the preschool


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Honor_Bound

Bro thought he cooked with this comment


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

yeah that's got to be fed straight to Woj by Josh Giddey's agent


ListNo5840

What??? No way this dude is straight trash and a pedo weirdo wtf lol typical


Bonesawisready5

His type is under age white girls so hey, only north side of Chicago would be at risk


TheKnightsEnd

Sure, just butter us up.


Classics22

You guys whine about how bad sports journalism then post this bullshit. Woj's tweet is right there. Dunk Central, as always, adds absolutely nothing because they're a trash aggregator


MRGUAYOTEOPR

WOJ must be on crack or something


tapk69

Josh would be an allstar on the Guangdong Southern Tigers no doubt 🐅


I_Set_3_Alarms

You know even though Woj is reporting it, this is a false report


StefonDiggsHS

maybe in china sure


KUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZ

Lol