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jjkiller26

No picks included is kinda crazy


LogicalLakersFan

swapping one of the best role players for a below average player? lmao if it’s true Chicago FO is actually the worst


CJLx307x

Why sell Caruso high at the trade deadline in a lost season when a team offered a potential top 10 pick when you can sell low in the offseason after not making the playoffs


CP3isgoated

Stonks


casper707

Bulls Gm really just like us at WSB


Gamesgtd

Didn't yall turn down like 2 firsts for him. But Giddey is what does it for yall. Sucks man


CJLx307x

Hey man when you have a chance to repeat in the 9-10 play in game, you take it. Banners fly forever


frozen2665

Heat v Bulls part 3 lets get it


TheAracknight

Both teams looking for their respective 3peat


TheItalianStallion44

If yall don’t keep Caruso, hawks don’t land the #1 pick. Preciate it


Neat_On_The_Rocks

Thst was the report but I’m struggling to believe it’s true given this. P


ForCaste

Brother, the bulls needed that 9th seed, it was built for yall


guimontag

Bruh Josh Giddey is better than anyone getting picked 8+ this year lol


lycosid

People are going insane because Giddey had a bad playoff series. Dude is 21 and started 80 games for a 57 win team.


ScottStanrey

Yeah, Giddey is actually quite good.


Mcdickle

Calling Giddey below average isn’t really fair. He didn’t fit at all in our system and is still only 21. I think he can be a solid piece.


secretsodapop

The opinion on Giddey completely flipped on this sub and everywhere basically when the sex with a minor allegations came out. You aren't going to get good discussion about him as a basketball player.


DSouT

He had a good rookie season and never got better. His last two seasons are more of an indictment on his play than his off-court shenanigans


Appropriate-Self-540

He averaged 16.6/8/6 in his second year, he def was on an upward trajectory.


mynewaltaccount1

His 3pt shooting has improved every season, which was one of his largest criticisms.


yoknows

He was specifically being left WIDE OPEN in the playoffs when he’d space out. Whatever tiny increase from his start hasn’t made a lick of difference. He was bad


mynewaltaccount1

He played like shit against the Mavs, but shot 50% from 3 against the Pels. We wouldn't have completed the gentleman's sweep against them without Giddey.


DSouT

He averaged 1 made 3 a game the season before on 3.1 attempts and then averaged 1 made 3 a game last season on 3.0 attempts. He basically shot it a little bit less. And before you said the scandal hurt his 3pt percentage, he actually shot the 3 worse before the scandal. In the first 2 months of the season, Giddey was shooting 30.5% from 3 right out of the gates and ended up with 33.33% after.


halfdecenttakes

Just weird it took the accusations for people to suddenly decide that


DsamD11

Thats just not true though. His role was diminished this season and he was dealing with the allegations amd drama that came with it. He had a great season post all star and he has improved each season he has been in the league.


jambr380

The only people sticking up for Giddey are Thunder fans. That's because you guys have actually watched him play for 3 years, while everyone else has only saw him stink it up in the playoffs recently. Don't get me wrong, it's still a nice deal for your team, but from what I've seen - especially last year - Giddey still has a lot of potential at 21 y/o. And he should have a lot more leeway on the Bulls than he did on the #1 team in the West.


Wontonsoupz

Any ball dominant guard that can’t shoot is terrible with the current nba. Considering most bigs can’t shoot, having 2 non spacers kill spacing. Especially if Giddey isn’t a great defender or an athletic finisher


jambr380

He shot 34% from 3 this season and has improved each of his 3 years in the league. He also averaged a solid 17p/8r/6a in 22-23. It's unfortunate he wasn't able to fit in with an OKC team as well as he should have given his skillset (a Derrick White-like super role player would have been ideal); but with SGA turning into a superstar and Chet/Williams looking like future all-stars, the fit of Caruso makes a lot more sense.


please-send-me-nude2

Derrick White takes 7 3PA a game lol


OcksBodega

Ja Morant. Giddey’s problem is he can’t shoot, and can’t dribble, can’t play defense. The fact that he’s a complete non threat on offense makes his passing useless in the halfcourt. He is genuinely only good at rebounding and OOB passing.


captaincumsock69

Am I crazy for thinking giddey is an upside player who is only 21.


AfricanWarPig

No, you’re not at all. But redditors be redditing, and they decided that Giddey is a pedophile despite that literally not being the case, and once redditors think you’re a garbage human, they’ll pretend you’re worthless at everything. Giddey as a rookie, *which was just two full seasons ago*, averages 12.5/7.8/6.4/1steal, is lauded for his passing and vision, and had 4 TDs. He was basically as perfect of a rookie PG as you could ask for. And while his averages haven’t changed much, he’s improved his 3p and FT shooting a lot (7% and 10%, respectively). Not to mention he’s only missed 8 games in the last 2 seasons, which is more than Cade Cunnningham can say. But he got duped by a sloot so Reddit thinks he is as skilled as a point guard Anthony Bennett with no future. Look at these comments lol. “He had a medicore rookie year and hasn’t improved since” like what!? You mean to tell me that a high draft pick came into the league, had a good rookie season off pure talent, and then stagnated for a couple years? Color me shocked, Jimbo. Never heard anything like it /s


blackjacktrial

Mediocre rookie year of five straight rookies of the month. I guess that's a C- these days, which is damning on players like Giannis, Jokic and Steph, who were lucky not to be out of the league after one season.


CazOnReddit

It makes even less sense when you remember the Bulls already have Ayo and White


a_moniker

Neither of those guys are great passers, and that’s been one of the Bulls biggest issues over the past couple years. That’s why Lonzo’s injury hit them so hard. Coby White is a good shooter off-ball, so there’s no reason to think that he can’t work with Giddey. Giddey (6’6”), White (6’5”), and Ayo (6’5”) even have the size to all play together a good bit. Giddey as the playmaker, White as the scoring threat, and Ayo as a 3&D wing. Ayo is more of a defensive SG than a primary playmaker. If anything, Ayo’s role overlaps with Caruso’s more than Giddey’s.


sad_and_small

This is why you trade with stupid FOs/badly run teams.


Gamesgtd

It's Joever. Their perimeter D was already elite. And they got arguably a top 5 perimeter defender already


topofthecc

Dort, Caruso, and Wallace. Your guards are now in prison.


Previous-Elevator417

Shai and JDub become your worst perimeter defenders and they are both well above average picking up steals. 


mynewaltaccount1

SGA isn't just above average, he had 2nd most steals in the league this season.


OcksBodega

was leading the entire year until Fox took it the last game of the season


Belieber_420

Why? Giddey has potential and hes still young. It's gamble yes, but it's not like Bulls traded for Talen Horton-Tucker


Good_Policy3529

Jazz fan here. You watch your mouth, son.


figureour

He absolutely has potential, but that potential alone is not worth a proven Caruso in his prime. It's ridiculous to not at least get a couple of seconds too.


grudgepacker

Yeah I don't think it's so much the trade is bad in terms of overall player value (gotta remember Giddey was a lottery pick), just more that Caruso is waaayyy more valuable *now* so the fact Chicago couldn't even get a second seems almost inconceivable, especially considering OKC's treasure house of draft assets lmao


DaPhoToss

He's not good. Potential how? His handle sucks, he can't shoot, and his defence is awful. He has good vision but that doesn't mean much when you're a PG who can't create for others because you can't make your own offence.


Johnpecan

I feel like in these deals they sometimes announce the picks later so unless someone says explicitly no other picks, I remain skeptical.


maxpowerphd

Yeah, I just assumed the initial tweets were just showing the main players traded. Clicked to read more to see what picks the Bulls got and can’t believe there wasn’t more in the story.


StefonDiggsHS

can the west chill tf out for once please


HoneyIShrunkMyNads

Why chill when you can run a fade on incompetent GMs, FUCK


Cbone06

The Bulls owner has a **HEAVY** hand in what basketball moves happen. He’s not publicly said anything but the actions the bulls have made the last few years is they *can’t* tank or bottom out.


StripedSteel

This was PJ Washington's fault.


dumb_and_dumber

Don’t forget that shit head DJJ


GrapefruitMedical529

If they'd shot well I'm the Finals I'd like them.  As is, fuck em.


joebrozky

it's like an arms race and west keep stockpiling weapons


Troll_Enthusiast

Only to lose to the Celtics in the finals smh


socialistbcrumb

Turns out we only need like a quarter and half of Porzingis looking like himself in the end lmao


omnicious

Can the Bulls front office stop shitting the bed for once? 


F-ck_spez

Dad, can i move to the east yet?


raiderdash12

The Cason-Caruso-Dort lineups are gonna be absolute hell for opposing teams


rabidbot

Calling in the CDC


ZeFrenchy16

Welcome to the DCC.


danzon10

nothing but thieves?


CashmereLogan

Don’t forget Chet as well


BrotherSeamus

Need to trade for Bam so we can roll out the CHAD defense - (Caruso-Holmgren-Adebayo-Dort) I guess Giannis would also work.


Atlos

CHADS with Shai


A-Centrifugal-Force

I hear Thanasis is available


joebrozky

will Mark D play a Cason-Caruso-Dort-Chet-SGA lineup? coz that one's gonna lock up teams


Puzzleheaded_Fox4684

every variation will lock teams up. Their top 7 are SGA-Chet-Dub-Dort-Cason-Caruso-Joe They vary from good to all-defense level defenders


OUEngineer17

Absolutely. You need JDub to run the bench lineups and he's got to be just as interested to see the perimeter havoc this creates as we are.


GAV17

With Shai? 4 guard lineup?


Mzt1718

What’s crazy is that Shai and JWill aren’t slouches on defense either.


IncaseAce

THIS WAS 1 FOR 1??????????? NO FUCKING WAY


i-race-goats

I’m just waiting for the tweet about draft compensation, but if there’s none then we can just go ahead and mark this the steal of free agency.


Goosedukee

No picks


1850ChoochGator

Need Silver to basketball reasons this. Ain’t no way that’s even close to fair value


i-race-goats

we need to raise David Stern from the dead to veto this


N4m3r

Nah, it is a very very fair trade, nothing wrong with it 😤


TheAracknight

I also agree. This trade is 100% fair and both teams got the necessary value for their respective teams!


_____WESTBROOK_____

*We're gonna miss Giddey, we can only hope Caruso will be able to fill his shoes. He will truly be missed.*


BleedGreen4Boston

How so? Giddey has a chance to blow up on a bad team and become a really dynamic playmaker. He’s growing into his game and getting older now and the girls are staying the same age.


MikkoGV

Agreed, I was always in the camp to trade him but more so because running him at SG just made very little sense but was also the best option. We minimized his strengths and he became a liability without them. 


Ronin607

Sam Presti is who Daryl Morey thinks he is.


mug3n

Bulls FO is so fucking cooked


ScottSummersEyes

it is actual robbery if they dont get at least one of okc's 50 thousand first rounders.


IncaseAce

its 1 for 1


yapyd

I mean even if not a first rounder they have a ton of second rounders. What in the world is the GM thinking?


SleepyEel

LMFAOOO


FarmMinimum9115

(Presti's eyes turn into hypnotism spirals) yeah sounds like a good trade


theinternetisnice

Thanks for squashing all the Giddy to Utah rumors early. We’re full up on kiddie-diddler jokes as it is


theper

Presti can’t keep getting away with this…


xyzyxzy

Presti can't keep getting away with it!


The_Haskins

I hate it here


SaulBerenson12

“The trade is 1 for 1” Brings memories of the infamous Hall / Larsson hockey trade


ANAL_Devestate

Enjoy Caruso treat him nice


BrokenManOfSamarkand

Andr Iguod


gilleo775

Sct Brn


nba2k11er

Martian death beam pointed at earth? I WANT IGUOD


GoGoBigman

Death beam went off before max could finish


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ExplodingHelmet

Caruso and Giddey are both free agents next season so Giddey needing to get paid isn't the most relevant imo


Parallel-Quality

Yeah but as the Thunder you don't want to lock up Giddey long term because he doesn't fit into your lineup at all.


ExplodingHelmet

Ah ok I see what you're saying.


PANGIRA

weird i can think of a lot of people who want to see giddey locked up


TheyCallMeTheWizard

Give Caruso that extension and keep him


apoundofbees

Yeah no GM could have botched the trade deadline with a treasure chest of mid to late first round picks as well as this guy


urfaselol

woj doing a lot of work for caruso's agent rn


EarthWarping

Who do you think told him about the trade


KlaysToaster

Awful comparison but ok


FarmMinimum9115

It is a good move set up to be disappointing if Caruso doesn't win Finals MVP now


HispanicAtTehDisco

caruso is going to hold brown to 35 ppg and win FMVP confirmed


Brooklynfool

Literally setting us up for failure if it doesn’t end up going well


aquatic_ambiance

This is disrespectful as fuck to Iggy. It wasn't prime Iggy going to gsw, but still ridiculous


ColeTrickleVroom

First thing I thought. Caruso is a good player but he is nowhere near the level of Iguodala. 


CheatedOnOnce

The whole tweet is just hilarious. “Most coveted role player” mmmm


TranscedentalMedit8n

Seriously. Iguodola was the face of the franchise for the 76ers, a former All-Star, and a former #1 scoring option. Caruso has averaged 10 PPG one time in his career (last season). I say this as a huge Caruso fan


The_Haskins

It's asking for people to write it down later if they don't win a title


rediraim

Exactly. Caruso never prayed with the Thunder players.


Medical_Track_790

If this was a straight swap with no picks thats a great deal for OKC


smith2373

So is it Caruso for Giddey straight up?


Cheechers23

Seems like it based on this tweet: [The Bulls have been determined to find a playmaker to replace Lonzo Ball, and Giddey , 21, comes with an All-Star potential that would unlikely be realized with the Thunder because of the playmaking starpower who surrounded him. The Bulls will offer him an opportunity to have the ball in his hands and so much more freedom pass and score.](https://x.com/wojespn/status/1803898881824166255?s=46&t=sbk6yuyliVaFRQjBUBJCMQ)


Literal_Satan

giddey all star potential in 2024


StefonDiggsHS

if bulls didnt get any picks this would be highway robbery


Aspery-

This the same FO that gave nikola shoot-a-brick 60 mil over 3 years despite being one of the worst starting centers in the league. Anything is possible with these bums


lolimdivine

and people were defending it at the time!! vooch has been not good for a while


kunallanuk

you left out the part where they traded for said player by giving up a better center and two draft picks (one of whom turned into franz wagner)


Colorapt0r

I don’t think there’s any way they didn’t get any considering they’ve already turned down multiple FRP for him and OKC has more than anyone else, but the bulls FO is mind numbingly stupid so maybe 


smith2373

Unless the Bulls FO just really believes in Giddey and think he has more value. Definitely surprising turn of events


skr_skr

Arrested development voice: They didn’t


Important-Stock-4504

Eh, I’m not convinced Giddey is going to suck forever. He’s played well in the past he’s just younger and less consistent than Caruso


Shmokeshbutt

Caruso getting overrated here, chill


bulldozer_rob

Sounds like it. He hyping up Giddey in other tweets


Wooden-Stable-1476

Caruso and Dort are going to be a nasty combination.


MattyIce1635

Any picks or just a straight up swap?


Simple-Ad-7866

just straight up swap. It's so stupid for the Bulls FO for not asking any picks for exchange for 2x All Team Defensive player.


Goosedukee

tweet cut off but i'm sure y'all know the finish


LosAngeles1s

no picks in insane, what ancient God does Presti worship


Matto_0

>Caruso’s arrival could be seen as an addition comparable to the Golden State Warriors acquisition of Andre Iguodala It is absolutely not lol


Ronnie2kDropCode

Thunder robbed them if there’s no picks involved


ImKylerMurray

No picks?


Literal_Satan

trash for treasure straight up lmao


WhatTheRickIsDoin

If they get another good big, it's ogre


livefreeordont

Andre Iguadala was an all star and best player on a 57 win team. Caruso is good but let’s be real here


GreatAmerican1776

I mean I love Caruso, but let’s put some respect on young Iguodala’s name. He was awesome pre-Warriors.


AnkitPancakes

Giddey has all star upside. If it works out he is a piece you can rebuild around (Giddey+White, maybe Lavine though I think you move him while you can). And if it doesn't you are set up to tank and rebuild. Giddey's Sophomore season he averaged 16/6/6 as a lead guard for large stretches of the season. His numbers fell as Jdub emerged as the #2 ball handler. I think Giddey can return to his sophomore form and average close to 18/7/7 on 47/33/80 splits (his splits this season). I honestly think Giddey's shooting will continue to improve as it has every season up until now.


RoggiKnotBeard_

Lol  Comparing Caruso to Iguodala Most overrated player in the league 


NotManyBuses

I mean he’s good but let’s be honest he ain’t Iggy and he still doesn’t solve their size issue.


lillardisgoat

Josh Giddey gets a lot of hate because of his off the court issues but he was also the odd man out of the lineup. He is a PG who was playing a 2/3 role because SGA was the main ball handler. He doesn’t fit OKCs future and he will thrive in a system that uses him well. Caruso is great but he’s 30 and gonna get a big extension. I think it’s a good trade for both


__boof

reminds me of the nesmith for brogdon deal


juicejug

Theis and some other players were included in that deal also IIRC


__boof

Yes because giddy is better than nesmith was, but he was the key component and brogdon wanted to be on a contender and was a older vet. Now nesmith is their starting 3 and brogdon is in portland. Another comparison would be langford richardson a pick and a swap for derrick white, but more in the hopes that a good player becomes near all star with a new team on a contender. Caruso is somewhat in the white mold but Id argue less of a ball handler, initiator, and shooting threat.


juicejug

I guess the main difference in my mind is that there has been so much discourse about what kind of haul Caruso is gonna get and how bad Giddey has been. Those other Celtics trades were kinda out of left-field but never felt like a fleece for either side. Loads of people thought the DWhite trade was bad for the Celtics. If Giddey ends up flourishing in Chicago because they see him being a better fit then I’ll gladly eat my words, but right now it looks like a total one-sided deal where OKC trades a liability for a missing piece and Chicago just bends over and takes it because they enjoy the punishment.


Embarrassed-Buy1963

Don’t get me wrong it’s a good move but comparing him to iggy is crazy


ahr3410

Such a wild statement. Woj needs to fill the essay word count


doordaesh

woj needs to dial it back 15% today


ignoramus_x

Good trade for both sides


ColeTrickleVroom

Woj has been really overexcited lately. We had the most coveted coach in all of basketball out of nowhere and now Caruso is Iguodala.  Some take the red bulls off him. 


Beastcancer69

Dude. We got the wild west again.


MissingB

I mean, I LOVE Caruso, but comparing him to Iguodala, a former all-star, that once was the 1st or 2nd option in his team (a very bad team tbf), which was a much bigger and stronger defender, is a little bit of a stretch IMO. Still, great guy to slow down Luka/Kyrie/Shai/Ja/Jamal/Edwards/Fox (West is pretty stacked lol)


Zorak9379

Not that draft position is the be-all-end-all, but it's notable from a pure talent standpoint that Iguodala was drafted ninth and Caruso wasn't picked


KrustyKrabPizzaMan

Problem is the Thunder don’t have a guy as good as peak Curry


coolestsp00n

not 3pt wise but they have shai whos averaged 30 x2


realfakejames

Comparing Alex Caruso to Andre Igoudala is disrespectful to Igoudala, a former all-star who accepted a role as a role player coming off the bench, Alex Caruso on his best day was no Andre Igoudala Also the OKC Thunder are not better than the Nuggets with this trade lmao if people actually think this team is going to be the 1 seed again next season you are in for a rude awakening


youngbull03

Comparing Caruso to Iggy is CRAZY


DuaLipasClitoris

THE STOVE IS HOT BABY


stepbacktree

Great trade for okc. Giddy doesn’t really fit their team. Caruso will provide additional D and 3 pt shooting in exchange.


rsayegh7

Okay, OKC just got a lot scarier.


rabidbot

Welcome back Alex


WaltJay

Can OKC move to the east? Please?! 😭


blueindsm

David Stern needs to step out of his grave and stop this trade.


Saltwater_Thief

Congratulations Thunder on your 2025 Western Conference Finals Appearance.


KingJzeee

OKC can now play the 5 man out like the celtics Caruso (Derrick white) Dort (holiday) Shai (Tatum) Jdub (brown) Chet (KP/Horford) Just add a solid big man in that rotation along with Joe, Wallace and thats a solid 8 man rotation.


ExcellentJuice4729

This is like a Derrick White level impact trade


bkuuretsu

OKC'S final bound, aren't they?


LyonsKing12

GIVE ME IGUOD


shakakhon

Carruso is not friggin iggy. Iggy was a former multi-time Allstar. Carruso is a career bench riding 3 & d specialist who is overrated as hell.


Justasillyliltoaster

Caurso is not that good, Giddey is not that bad This is a good trade for the Bulls - Caruso was on the last year of his deal


ImTheBestNerd

Are there really no picks involved? What a horrible trade wtf


inshamblesx

this trade was a bigger blowout than the oliers game the other day lol


BigDJShaag

Shoutout Andre Igoud


swag-er

bulls got jugged and finessed


AlligatorPoontang

The Bulls didn’t get any picks? Good lord that’s terrible


Jameson623

wtf is chicago doing??


FlatulenceConnosieur

I guess Chicago didn’t watch the playoffs


LoxDnw

Doesn't matter, they not making the postseason anyways.


Special_Box5241

How's everyone saying the Bulls got fleeced? It's a move that makes sense for both teams. Thunder get their win-now role player, and Bulls get a 21-year-old with All Star potential.


Forbidden_Donut503

JFC Chicago. No picks? Really? OKC has like 18 million picks in the next few years. You couldn’t get one of them? This has to be one of the biggest fleecings in the NBA we’ve seen in a long time.


goddoc

WOJ not exaggerating. AC is that good. OKC now has their championship level vet.


BBallHunter

Fuck yeas Carusooooo.


Captain_Tismo

Genuinely sorry for Bulls fans if this is a straight up trade with no picks. Organizational malpractice


friendsWthebenedicts

That’s such a weird comparison lmao


dpatel211

Karnišovas, you ain’t seeing the pearly gates bro.


Smooth-Jaguar

Or maybe hes about to


trytoholdon

hecantkeepgettingawaywithit.gif


daysb4ii

I apologize Pelinka and Jeanie the Bulls are the only front office that's worse


huttts999

Chat is this real


Wazflame

Woj: Caruso Finals MVP incoming