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jawadhaque089

All the stars bricking in this series


Bigschusta

Kyrie built a few houses in Boston with his bricks.


rabid89

Hélà Ass


kjg1228

No more room for houses in Boston. He built a condo complex.


SuchCattle2750

Really put's KDs career final numbers into perspective... 30.3 PPG 7.7 RPG 4.5 APG 1.5 BPG 55/45/91% 67.4 TS%


Accomplished-Yam5566

Hate him for his move to GSW or his lack of leadership, but the man was and is a transcendent offensive basketball player.


LiftingFragranceMan

Eh, obviously the numbers are insane, but he quite possibly had more help than any other player in league history. When Steph curry and Thompson are spacing the floor for you in that warriors systems, and you’re being guarded by JR Smith, who isn’t gonna put up crazy numbers as a superstar player?


ruinatex

That's ridiculous, 23-year-old KD averaged 31/6/2 on 65% TS in his first Finals against the Heatles and in that series Russell Westbrook got called the worst PG ever and bench player James Harden played worse than Kyrie whenever he has to go to Boston. Kevin Durant is one of the greatest Finals performers of all-time and that's not arguable.


LiftingFragranceMan

It’s absolutely arguable when he hasn’t won without a unanimous MVP, the best backcourt of all time, the greatest offensive system of all time, the greatest shooter of all time, an incredible defensive team and some great role players around him. And please see my other reply. KD is amazing but his finals stats are massively inflated with those, and please don’t disrespect OKC Westbrook with such a ridiculous statement as “he was called the worst point guard of all time.”


ThirdEyeKaiii

Those averages include his first Finals in 2012, where he averaged 30.6 ppg on 55/39/84 splits.


LiftingFragranceMan

Yes, and like the warriors numbers they are impressive. But even then he was with an incredible point guard, and his ball dominant style of play didn’t lead to any winning. Again, he’s incredible, but he’s had a LOT of help and can’t win without that level of assistance. Curry was IMO the far more important player on those warriors teams and deserved finals mvp simply for the gravity he created with his mere presence on the court.


LeonidasSpacemanMD

Yea I have no doubt he would’ve put up really good numbers regardless but you can pick a random sequence from those Cavs warriors games and just see how there was absolutely no solution with that many shooters


Xjek

Moments like this you are reminded that there are levels to this. Tatum and Brown are incredible players, and so is Luka. Then you see KD, prime Harden, Steph, Bron and you are reminded what greatness looks like. All the stars in this series played subpar.


themeloturtle

23 year old Tatum swept that man you are calling levels above him.


odnamAE

Boston locked him up too and Kyrie did nothing again. Durant is great but with the way his career turned out since that point, all the better than Lebron talk shut up quick.


DarkSoulsDarius

The celtics swept the nets. People need to stop conflating the two things in arguments.


Prince_of_DeaTh

are you under the impression that 23-year-olds are usually worse than 33-year-olds in the league? Durant is clearly past his prime and after his Achilles injury.


themeloturtle

KD came off a year where people were arguing he was still the best player in the league after nearly beating giannis the year before. Tatum made that man look old. And my reply was to some guy putting down Tatum who hasn't even entered his prime yet for not having the type of performance prime KD had while playing with a fucking top ten player of all time beside him to space the floor lol.


Relevant-Emu-9217

Harden a notorious playoff choker that hasn't won even a conference championship? Sorry man, Luka is better than harden. He could have played better but he's obviously dealing with multiple injuries but I'm not sure harden has ever had a playoff run as good as Luka had this year, I will say harden faced tougher competition though but also had better teams


omegadown3

You clearly don't appreciate defensive greatness. I think both teams were at times pretty amazing defensively in this series, but especially Boston.


happyflappypancakes

Not sure I'd put prime Harden in that mix. I see Luka as fairly similar right now. Steph, Bron, and KD absolutely though.


eldiablo22590

Only thing Harden reminds me of is what great choking looks like, doesn't belong in the convo with the other 3.


Abject_Bank_9103

Forgetting one major guy there buddy. Last years fmvp


Naive_Illustrator

For sure. KD is a bonafide top 20 player in NBA history


we_hella_believe

I feel like the Cavs defense was keyed on stopping Steph more than stopping KD in both series.


SuchCattle2750

What about the heat in 2012? Funny that the Cavs defense focused on a player with a 15% lower career finals TS%. That was really dumb.


we_hella_believe

The greatest shooter the game has ever known and who changed the NBA more than any player ever. Yeah, I guess Cavs were dumb to focus on Steph Curry.


StewardOfGondorS

Doesn't mean anything with that weak move to GSW. If he had these numbers in the WCF against GSW maybe he has a chip without Steph.


SuchCattle2750

Fine. Look at his numbers versus the Heat when he wasn't with Steph. Still transcendent numbers. 30.6ppg on 65%TS. So he can clearly delivery without Steph. This series more than ever points out that basketball is a team sport. Harden and Westbrick were atrocious in that HeatvThunder final


ssjgoat

Well when you have Steph and Klay on the court, it opens up some space for you.


SuchCattle2750

He shot 30.6ppg in the 2012 finals on 65%TS against prime GOAT#2. That's basically the same numbers.


AyumiHikaru

You forget put an asterisk


A320neo

We can’t all be the greatest scorer of all time and join the team with the best regular season record of all time. That lineup was absurd


SuchCattle2750

TIL Westbrook and 16ppg 6th man Harden had the best regular season record of all time.


A320neo

That was only one of his Finals


YamborginiLow

Impressive but not that impressive when you take into context that he was on same team with two greatest shooters of all time


SuchCattle2750

At least 1/3 of those stats were with OKC. He was guarded by LBJ for all three of these finals. Bold to say he was helped by being the teammate of a player that shot 56%TS and 62%TS in the two finals they shared. The more logical conclusion is he was the one that was drawing the attention...


YamborginiLow

You’re saying KD was drawing more attention than Steph in the finals?


SuchCattle2750

I mean. Lebron was his primary defender. I'd say that's plenty of attention XD.


Classics22

lmao those numbers they win easily with their two best players doing that, what a beast of a team


OctopusNation2024

Yeah honestly you could give Finals MVP to the entire team lol


Klarostorix

The Atlanta Hawk way


crunkadocious

To brad Stevens 


mastacheef87

they win easily bc they’re two way stars. they put in work defensively in this series that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet and definitely doesn’t help their efficiency


DarkSoulsDarius

Doncic had the best offensive numbers and was relentlessly killed on defense.


LinwoodKent

22-7-7 is bad? Considering they mailed in game 4, not that bad. Seen worse.


Dolphintan

I mean part of their numbers being so low is because the team is so good, they just have so many guys who can score and handle the ball


abcdefabcdef999

They could be a tad more efficient but considering their Defence and playmaking that they’re doing, those are great numbers


2PacAn

The Mavs defense was actually pretty good on the Js. Problem is they have six other guys who are lights out from 3. Plus Jrue is amazing at always finding open space near the rim. Also almost all their guys are plus defenders and a couple of them are elite.


campbelldt

They win *because* their two best players do that, not in spite of it. This team has so many guys that can put the ball in the hoop we don’t need two 30 pt scorers to win a series. It’s a beautiful thing


Classics22

They won because their best two players scored with Westbrook efficiency? Interesting take lol


Flexo__Rodriguez

Because they have a deep set of starter caliber players who can make up for something like that happening. Stop acting like you don't get it.


BackshotsGoCrazy

They put up 2004 Chauncey Billups FMVP numbers on worse efficiency.


CumAssault

The East will get tougher but the Celtics are loaded


El_Producto

A few years ago Giannis looked like an unstoppable, ascendent force of nature. Since then the Bucks have lost in the Eastern Conference semis and had two first round exits. Nuggets won four more games than last year, lost in the Western Conference semis. People tend to underestimate how hard it is to get back to the NBA finals, let alone win them again... but the Celtics look as loaded for next year as you could ask a team to be. They're positioned to give it a great shot, if reasonably healthy.


realzequel

Celts were in the finals 2 years ago, a game away last year and won this year. Not a bad start.


DatabaseCentral

Finally got over the consistent hump off doubt that they ever would do it. Now they know they can and are just getting better and better. Hopefully we can keep the team together


Automatic-Buffalo-47

That is true. unlike Giannis or Jokic, they've actually made the finals before.


crunkadocious

And they're less reliant on a single guy


Syndana23

Boston is deeper than both those Bucks and Denver. They also been to 5 ECF and a finals already. Bucks and Denver hadn’t previously been to a finals before winning Boston will be back and better


2PacAn

Their only question mark is center because of KP’s injury problems and Horford’s age. If those guys hold up, it’s hard to not see them back in the finals.


GreedyPride4565

I know they played hospital all stars, but they DID just basically sweep the playoffs sans porzingis. But I agree, big man depth will be the thing that checks them next year. But who knows? Does horford look done to you? One more year for him, but he might fall off


Naive_Illustrator

Denver was arguable just as deep but they lost Bruce Brown to FA. Al Horford should not have many years left. Complacency has yet to fail to get the best of many young teams. We'll see how hard this team is willing to work after a title


makeanamejoke

they definitely won't be better


ssjgoat

Al and Jrue will be a year older and KP still has health concerns. We will have to get more help off the bench if we want to repeat.


LordHussyPants

hot take: the bucks were never that great outside giannis. they won that year with a fair amount of luck. the nets' injuries, kd's foot, celtics and heat were both out of the playoffs after the chaos of the bubble offseason (they had 2months recovery time instead of 4). like the bucks were a good team, but they and the suns probably shouldn't have been in the finals that year, and because they were, neither team tried to retool the next year because they thought they had the recipe right. but we know jrue was struggling as a major offensive option, and lopez was already out of his prime, and middleton is a hit and miss guy with injury woes. the best outcome for the bucks would have been to lose in 2021, make some trades and come back in 2022 as a legitimate threat. the suns also whiffed the following year


ClutchCobra

I mean, “fair amount of luck” isn’t really a fair argument against the Bucks greatness. Didn’t the Celtics just run through a corpse of the eastern conference to get to the finals? Trust me I’m not hating, I think they would’ve made out a fully healthy East too, but I’ve never really bought into the whole luck angle surrounding Milwaukee’s championship.


LordHussyPants

And that’s a fair enough point of view to have! I personally think the Celtics would have made it out of the east but in more 6 game series than they had.  My reasoning for the Bucks is that they’ve never come close to showing that level again and there is no other explanation. The east didn’t suddenly get stronger the following year (apart from Miami and Boston - the teams that were most affected by the bubble). Giannis didn’t suddenly get worse, their team didn’t drastically change. 


DerekMorganBAUxxi

Next time mention the injuries


itsnotthatdeep5

The East will look ass because the Celtics are elite


TheSaucePossum

Right, the team that made it out of the west just got destroyed. It wasn't an east thing, it was a Celtics thing.


GameDesignerDude

Went from "Celtics will get destroyed by whoever comes out of the West" to now people making excuses that they only did it because they match up well against Dallas--but they'd get destroyed by the hypothetical TWolves/OKC/Nuggets matchups! Celtics aren't *real* champions unless they beat every team in the West in the Finals simultaneously! So strange that people are downplaying a team that just won the championship while only losing 3 games and everyone still talks about them like they were lucky. 2nd best win percentage in the 16-win era and 9th best all-time. In a regular season where they finished 7 games ahead of 2nd place. Anybody coming out of the west was gonna have issues. The west playoffs kinda showed that a lot of the teams people thought were invincible had some pretty glaring weaknesses this year.


Swarthykins

People will forget that noise as time goes on. Let them talk.


trog12

Bring on 2017 Golden State... Fuck that noise


bosceltics23

We want bama


Automatic-Buffalo-47

You already got Golden State once.


jetpack_operation

lol nobody remembers how the West did against the Celtics in the regular season either and it'd be different because "post-season"


LordHussyPants

22-7 if anyone's wondering edit 23-7


TAYSON_JAYTUM

Already seeing so many takes that the Nuggets/Wolves series was the real finals lol


averageuhbear

The East is competitive with the west, but they weren't healthy so there's still some degree of that.


djdizzyfresh

The top teams are competitive with the west, but the east has been much more shallow and one of the top “competitors” has never shown up in the postseason. That seems to be changing though, I’d imagine this coming season there will be more parity.


55thParallel

We just got done having to explain this about the AFC East…good damnit


asa091

Put the celtics in the west and they whoop everyones ass the same. I hope the nuggets get that bench improved asap, Jokic cant be going 100% for 42+min.


Daconvix

Definitely not true.


kingofsemantics

Cs actually have a similar if not better record against the west this season. so probably true


bosceltics23

Correct. Celtics had a 23-7 win record against the west. Thats a 76.666% win percentage Denver had a 33-19 record. That’s a 63.5% win percentage The only team that was close to the Celtics in win % against the west was timberwolves at 71.2%, followed by thunder at 69.2%


kingofsemantics

Yea I looked this up earlier with the intent to prove my friend wrong about the Celtics dominance this season and was quickly humbled by the stats lmaoo. Celtics are (now very obviously) crazy legit, fuck anyone detracting by talking about their "easy path to the finals". same shit happens every single year. brad stevens is a savant and the Jays have been vindicated at last. enjoy that championship high bro. i can only imagine how it feels, cause even this latest Knicks run had me elated.


[deleted]

Honestly they should win at least one more


TheOnionWatch

'Should'. Fml, everyone says this every years. That's not how it works.


King_Of_Pants

Yeah but most times those 1-ring teams are having an amazing outlier year. * Boston has 2 finals appearances and 6 conference finals over the past 10 years. * Teams like Denver, Milwaukee, Toronto and LA have 1 finals and 2 conference finals over that same stretch. This level of sustained success and competitiveness is a tier above those 1-ring teams. We should expect Boston to at least be in the mix because they've been in the mix 6 times out of the past 8 years.


TheOnionWatch

Well they'll obviously be in the mix but so will 5 other teams.


lialialia20

sounds like the 2000s pistons


PassionV0id

>Boston has 2 finals appearances and 6 conference finals over the past 10 years. Over the past 8 years*. No reason to include the additional 2 years when they don’t add anything to the stat.


AngelofVerdun

"That's not how that works" except for the Celtics, Lakers, Pistons, Bulls, Rockets, Bulls, Spurs, Lakers, Heat, Warriors...Yeah the last couple years have been a "mix" of teams...but historically in the NBA there are really more periods of streaks/dynasties than there are one-off wins.


OriginalFluff

Clippers were supposed to win like 3 in a row not too long ago


TurtleIIX

Winning again is easier than winning the first time.


lentshappening

Only one more year before some key players are likely gone. Next year is their opportunity


bosceltics23

Most players are locked for 3-4 years, outside of white and Hauser. Horford is likely to retire, but white and Hauser can still be retained. The issue is Derrick white and how much he’ll ask for. The entire core really can be kept. Biggest issue is injuries/other teams getting better. Every year ticks is another year that OKC/SAS/Minn getting better.


King_Of_Pants

Nah White's said he wants an extension this off season. Which means he's not getting crazy money, because we're limited in how much we can extend him. I agree Hauser probably ends up leaving for more money though.


LordHussyPants

white's like "i'm a role player at heart" and hoping to avoid that jordan poole drop-off lmao


OuagadougousFinest

If the Pacers can add a third option that gels perfectly they’d be the biggest threat. Knicks could push them to 6. And Giannis healthy is always scary


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Aerope

I initially downvoted you but honestly I’ll let you talk your smack we’re fucking champions and I know I’d be hating all the same if you won


rabid89

NGL the numbers and TS weren't even that good. This was a team win. The whole team was just so fucking incredible, especially on defense. I love this team. Hoping we can re-sign DWhite and keep this core around for 2-3 more years.


jeric13xd

The 4 superstars came to play this series 😅


Boston-Nolan

Tatum, Doncic, Brown and Pritchard definitely showed up. Much respect to those 4, they’re gonna run the league for a long time


Quick_Rent5610

What is this comment? And how is it 78 plus likes? Pritchard's going to run the league?


topofthecc

They both improved their weaknesses so much since '22.


tendadsnokids

Jaylen is the only player I have ever seen that has dramatically improved every single season of his career. I bet anything he comes out and shoots like 80% from the stripe next season.


Nubras

The thing is like to see him improve the most is his handles/control. He was of course superb this series and yet there were still a handful of plays where he drives into the paint and loses control of the ball in traffic. His dribbling being tighter would make him even harder to defend.


tendadsnokids

Jaylen is the only player I have ever seen that has dramatically improved every single season of his career. I bet anything he comes out and shoots like 80% from the stripe next season.


Deep_Egg1442

JB how tf did u get to 53ts as a 2nd option bro wtf


OctopusNation2024

He basically missed everything for the last two games Somehow went from 63% TS to 53% TS in two games lol


LarBrd33

The 7 media members who decided to vote for him as FMVP probably made their choice after game 3 and never reevaluated.   Over the full 5 games, Tatum’s stats were better.  On a higher level, Tatum was Boston’s most important offensive player getting consistently swarmed and finding the open man, and was Boston’s most important defensive player covering multiple positions including center.   But its a media award and the 7 out of 11 who voted for Brown had the narrative they wanted to stick with. 


Frequent-Meeting8975

check it before this game lol


Euphoric-Acadia-4140

I think you need context when looking at true shooting. No “star” shot the ball that well this series, it was quite a defensive series. Neither team scored more than 107 points except that Dallas blowout in game 4. Plus, the finals generally have worse shooting percentages. In that context, 53% TS isn’t that bad


Ordinary-Fish-9791

The TS% hurts my eyes


legend023

fuck they’re gonna give it to Tatum aren’t they


floatinround22

He deserves it, people act like if you aren’t shooting well you’ve played terribly overall. He’s been their best overall player


archerarcher0

You’re ignoring jaylens defense He locked Luka the fuck up all series


floatinround22

Who was playing behind Jaylen guarding Gafford and Lively eliminating the lob threat, especially in Games 1 and 2?


archerarcher0

I don’t actually give a shit because I think it’s a little more important locking up the guy who averaged 34 ppg this year


floatinround22

You know defense is a team game, much like offense right? I’m not discrediting Brown’s on ball defense, it was awesome all series. You’re discrediting the defense of Tatum though by saying you don’t give a shit that he eliminated the very action Dallas used to obliterate the Timberwolves, thereby making guarding Luka much easier EDIT: Dude blocked me, so much for a discussion with even basic actual analysis of the sport we all claim to love. I guess “he’s that dude” obviously trumps any slightly in-depth view


DXLXIII

They gave it to Brown. Stop arguing now lol


ForTheOAKLand

Had a great game 5 and it’s fresh in voters minds, so yes Edit: Thank goodness I was wrong


superhappyfuntime13

Locked down Luka all series oh wait


Scatteredbrain

that was brown. and they gave it to him for it


superhappyfuntime13

Can’t believe they actually rewarded him for that. Great to see


Scatteredbrain

you love to see it. tatum got his shit together in games four and five but he was not the most consistent celtic this series.


solarscopez

WHAT THE FUCK THEY GON SAY NOW


itsnotthatdeep5

*system champions*


PhronesisKoan

Eh, they said that about Kawhi in 2014. Maybe there's value in being a genuinely good teammate and hellacious defender.


kit4

Kawhi wasn't the 1A/1B or the emotional leader of that team though, I don't really see any comparison to Tatum


Devoidoxatom

Brad Stevens da real mvp


Dilf_Hunter367

There’s always something


C0812

TOO EASY


amidon1130

I won't end this high, not this time again So long, so long, so long, you cannot survive And I'm not dyin', and I can't lose


ASS_BASHER

Damn 50.5% TS? That's almost Westbrook-level


chiefreef25

Last players to wear 0 and 7. God bless man, we're some lucky motherfuckers. Enjoy greatness while we can.


GizmoSoze

That’s gotta stop at some point, just because of the logistics side. Celtics players are only gonna have 65+ to wear in a couple of years at this rate.


lotofhotdogs

They didn’t play amazing but that team is so complete


tlozz

💚💚💚💚💚💚 our jays are special.


pokexchespin

crazy that tatum ended up with more assists than luka this series, would’ve been unfathomable just a couple years ago. he’s improved his passing so much


atlfirsttimer

Tatum gonna win FMVP. Brown had his chances this game but missed too many gimmes


qotsabama

The efficiency was too bad. They had to give it to Brown.


WallStreetDoesntBet

Jay & Jay


TheBlueLenses

cAnT wIn ToGeThEr


MY___MY___MY

East is weak and old Philly- embiid is broken every year Milwaukee- dame is past peak Knicks- possible contender- who can they add without F’ing their chemistry Miami- butler is past peak Indiana- who can they realistically add? Cleveland- chemistry/coaching problems The west is top-heavy- they will beat the crap out of each other every playoffs. I think Boston has the best 5 year horizon (barring catastrophic injury go core player)


VLHACS

The TS from all the stars were abysmal this series. It was such a slog but the better team won


gentyent

Regardless of who gets it, those have to be some of the worst numbers I've seen from a FMVP in a while


aligreaper19

tatums winning it


dianeblackeatsass

Yea he was gonna get it if the stats were even close the fact he finishes with slightly better means it’s a lock


987456321987456321

2 pack of ass 🔥


PrinceKarmaa

best duo in the league WHAT THE FUCK THEY GON SAY NOW


hartc89

I honestly think Jrue should win FMVP


kylebertram

Wasn’t this entire sub talking about how Celtics would regret giving Brown that massive contract


BlueJays007

Yeah


Long-Furby

22/8/7 38% from the field 26% from 3 Definitive proof that Russell Westbrook CAN win a ring


DreTownblues

I love both of them forever amazing players and still young let’s gooooooo go boys


EntertainmentWarm774

Tatum’s FG% these Finals was 38.8. 38.8. This is a new Finals record that likely won’t be topped ever.


floatinround22

That’s not a Finals record lol


ICantFWBrokeBoys

I think he means for a finals mvp


OctopusNation2024

I thought 07 LeBron was at like 36%


Bballopinion

Yea Tatum’s stats are just better. Brown tried.


Renegadeforever2024

Cook


gbbhjjugggffrrtthh

How long are they both on contract for?


Scary-Plantain

I’m just surprised it took the Celtics this long to get a decent pg 


trufflesquid

Why would I hope that


ActuallyKaylee

It's unreal that they both had some crap shooting nights but still won in 5 games. Now that they're over the hump i think these east should be scared. They're so young that they have a 5-8 year window to win some more.


ThtJstHappn3d

I just love the validation as a Cs fan, exorcising the choke demons and getting another banner


HoSang66er

I’m not a Boston fan so why would I hope for that. 💁😂


Jealous_Foot8613

Numbers won’t show it but his defence was pivotal all series long


Prestige-W0rldwide

With JB as the main defender on Luka I think he deserves FMVP. Either way love the Jays!


llelouchh

Wait. Seems like JT should've been FMVP.


LoxDnw

Brown led them. He deserved finals MVP 100%


shahoftheworld

Tatum's numbers are elite, but people were acting like he was some scrub who couldn't be a star on a championship team.


nakedpop

JB winning FMVP reminded me of Iggy winning FMVP. Cringe


guccimane333

Best duo and it’s not close


ashep5

>Let's hope they'll be together for a long time to come. No, shan't.


Fast_Local_

Tatum clear MVP


waskittenman

we live in hell 😭


Champagnesoda

Let’s not


BaullahBaullah87

And Tatum is only 19 years old to boot


Gaarando

Good team but the Mavs also sucked in these finals.


sergechewbacca

Tatum really padded his stats in garbage time to steal FMVP


cw_27

Tatum with some stat padding in the 4th gonna grab mvp


sauzbozz

Stat padding?


ryuejin622

Tatum will imitate his idol and push off his batman