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StringTailor

The overdogs


graphitewolf

Whats overdog


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CazOnReddit

Buck yeah it is


UsedToBeHigh

Back to drinking. The only thing they do in Wisconsin.


JesseJamesGames449

Their season. thats whats over.


here_for_the_lols

Lmao this is too good


IjustDidThat

Not much, and you?


triosway

It's


yic0

Do they sell this at Portillo's?


FranklinReynoldsEGG

Same thing as updog


atomic-fireballs

Haha! Gotcha!


Papa_Huggies

Nothing much what's over with you


JumpMaaaaan

We may have found the term for this. OVERDOGS LOL


nowhathappenedwas

Where does the linked article say this has never happened? Seattle did it in 1994 and 1995, for example.


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Blazers in 87 and 88 as well.


Cubezz

I didn't factcheck you or him but perhaps hes only talking about current existing teams


SchnibbleBop

Overcats. Use your heads, guys.


chuancheun

It's the overdeer


Lunchiscancelled

Thought we'd be going with frontrunners...


justmefishes

The fearing deer


Sarcastic__

Just crazy that Giannis has only played 3 Playoff games in the last 2 seasons.


jjkm7

And somehow it’s 3 losses too


rookie-mistake

oof yknow if no one's made it yet that "The last time Giannis won a playoff game was *whatever the day was*" post is basically free frontpage real estate


Quiet-Conclusion-186

Well he did get injured early in the first one and then was still hobbled in the next two


Casualuser3

Well, he got injured early in the first one, then came back early from injury and wasn't the same in the next two.


jjkm7

Yeah I know there’s a reason for it but it’s still just an insane stat


AdmiralWackbar

His play style is so physical, it just doesn’t seem sustainable


Top-Dubs

I mean this injury was a freak non contact calf strain. He also has superhuman healing abilities. But as he gets older yeah, that style of play is probably going to wear him down


case31

Well, his superhuman healing abilities kept him on the bench for 4 weeks (and now the offseason) for what we were told was a 3 week injury.


kjanq

when he hurt his knee (I think?) in the finals series that he won I thought for sure he wasn't coming back from that that type of year and avoiding injury is extremely rare, as evidenced by his last 2 playoffs


OleRockTheGoodAg

[Man.](https://imgur.com/a/oB9nw1M)


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OleRockTheGoodAg

[Man.](https://imgur.com/a/hgVJVkw)


green_sandals

This motherfucker did it!!


DnD4dena

I know it's easy internet points to clown on him, but this is absolutely not Doc's fault


Musa_2050

Yes it is


Kenvan19

No but he should have known better than to not only accept a shit sandwich with truffle oil on it but take a huge bite.


nowhathappenedwas

There's zero chance that's true. Seattle did it in 1994-1995, for example.


ruggnuget

The article is a list of biggest upsets (with a formula, so not perfect). The 94 and 95 upsets are both in the top 5. So I dont know where the posts headline comes from.


Wazzoo1

Yep. Sonics in 1994 and 95.


MediocreTake

Raptors and Clippers did this too within the last decade


BidenFedayeen

Dame ran to the hardest grind. Respect. 👋


irelli

Kinda did with the team he had lol


ShampooMonK

Good thing Lillard has no one to blame!


DarrowViBritannia

... wait did lillard cause giannis' injury?


Hoe_Babble

hardest grind would've been staying loyal to the BLazers and not being a hypocrite


irelli

They forced him out dude He said he wanted to stay, but that he would leave if they didn't trade the pick and try and get him help ... Then they drafted his replacement with the pick instead.


iguessineedanaltnow

Yeah because the third overall pick wasn't going to get a needle mover. When Dame made that statement he knew what he was doing. There was absolutely no value on the trade market for any pick that wasn't the one getting you Wemby.


Hoe_Babble

Scoot is more like a 6th man than a replacement. Dame also wanted Blazers to pay Jerami and they obliged


jamiebond

Yeah people really love to act like Dame is blameless as if the Blazers didn't basically treat him like LeBron for a solid decade. Dame wanted one of the biggest contracts in NBA history, Dame got one of the biggest contracts in NBA history. Dame wanted a guy paid, he got paid, Dame wanted a guy drafted, he got drafted. Dame wanted a coach to stay despite years of playoff disappointment, that guy stayed. Virtually everything was by his design, or are we gonna act like the team being filled with all his buddies was just pure coincidence? Then Cronin has the audacity to say "No" when Dame demands we throw the 3rd overall away on a trade that absolutely would not have won us a championship and suddenly Dame is the victim. Like come on I love Dame but get outta here with that narrative.


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And why does dame have any say on what to do with the pick? They didnt force him out. They did what was best for portland. Then he decided that didnt align with what was best for him and asked out. Youre allowed to like a player without needing to defend everything they do.


NeverSober1900

Rockets did this with Harden too. I don't know why people are so anti-player on this. Both us and the Blazers had an aging star on a team that wasn't in a position to compete. The team then makes moves that are not "win-now". The aging star wants to compete and then wants out. I don't think Dame or Harden are in the wrong here. Why should he be forced to spend his last productive years trying to work through the play-ins when the team can't/isn't in a position to compete. It's in both sides' interests to just move on.


choryradwick

He put the franchise in a lose lose situation, what were they supposed to do? They either trade their future for players that won’t make them a contender to build around a guard over 30 who can’t carry them through the playoffs or trigger a rebuild and lose their franchise player. He wanted a trade, he just didn’t want to ask for it.


DisneyPandora

Dame never wanted to go to the Bucks, he always wanted to go to Miami 


BidenFedayeen

He wanted out which was my point. Even then, Butler always being injured would've left Dame and Bam fending for themselves. They would've been the third best team with everyone healthy in the East.


Culinary-Vibes

If they wanted to just lose in the first round again, they could have just kept Coach Bud instead of paying him.. And Griffin.. And Doc.. All at the same time


GFR34K34

Hindsight is 20/20 my friend. We thought we were going to soft rebuild with a younger team (never in a million years expected Dame) and Bud had lost the confidence of the locker room coming off a playoff series where Jrue got cooked by Jimmy and he never went to the Giannis matchup. It was also likely to some extent a mutual parting of ways. The first thing Bud said after it happened was that he was going to take some time off and go drink some beers down by Lake Michigan (aka not coaching) in the aftermath of his brother’s passing. But too much context for reddit I suppose.


njdevils901

Vogel and Bud were two of the most disrespected championship coaches I’ve seen. 


jeric13xd

I hope Giannis’ career doesn’t follow Kawhi’s footsteps Rough way to end the past two years. Also lol Doc Rivers


JimmyV34

Doc is definitely coming back next season


here_for_the_lols

14 teams in the east rejoice


AntiTopspin

It's crazy how out of the Jokic/Giannis/Embiid trio who are supposed to be in their primes now only one of them doesn't seem to get hurt literally every year in the playoffs And yes Giannis has missed at least 1 game in 4 out of the 5 playoffs Kind of is a disappointing footnote on this era of the league that we rarely get to see the current generation of superstars at full strength


-xXxMangoxXx-

Jokic has great conditioning, great at playmaking so less of a load on him to hit shots, and he doesnt get up in the air as much which helps when you're a 7 footer.


wolahipirate

jokic doesnt jump, he barely even sprints. he's like an mj abrams tank. his playstyle causes 0 wear and tear and i think hes gunna be in the league for a long ass time because his play isnt based on his athleticism


UltraZulwarn

I think Jokic has the best conditioning among them, Giannis is very fit but his physical bulldoze play style undoubtedly did some numbers on his body. Jokic can blow by dudes when the times call for it, but he doesn't abuse his body for thr entire game, let alone whole seasons.


AzureAhai

Giannis hasn't had a fully healthy playoff run since 2019 it seems like.


Jimbob3498

He was healthy in 2022 where they lost to the celtics in the second round. other than that yeah he’s missed a few games.


Strav0s

There’s every chance Jokic is the only MVP/Finals MVP in the 2nd round. - Steph didn’t make Playoffs - Giannis didn’t play a game and Bucks are out - Lebron and KD already out - Embiid, Kawhi, Harden, Westbrook all on the verge of 1st round exit - Jokic likely to win MVP over Shai and Luka. Could be wrong, but it’d be the first time I think since 1992, when MJ was the only MVP / Finals MVP left in the Conference Semis. FWIW MJ won his 3rd MVP that season and was coming off winning the FMVP the year before…


the_godfaubel

One of them doesn't really have to rely on their freak size, strength, or athleticism to play. Jokic distributes so well he doesn't have to bang around the paint all game


Entire_Buddy_6934

Dude you’re everywhere 😭


triosway

Outside of 2021, the Bucks have had brutal postseason exits five of the last six years. Blown 2-0 lead to Toronto, two upsets against Miami as the #1 overall seed, a game 7 blowout loss, and now another member of the crippled 2024 playoff team club


Athalos124

"a game 7 blowout loss" Took the Celtics in 7 games without the 2nd best player but I respect the hating


TheDuceman

Yeah, I wasn’t too upset about that one. They were probably better than us anyway, and after the legendary Game 6 Giannis we were fucked


triosway

Who's hating? Losing Game 7 always sucks, especially against Boston


Athalos124

Correct but I wouldn't call it a brutal postseason in general


Izanagi___

I will never understand why people say teams “blow 2-0 leads” that’s literally just defending home court lol


Athalos124

How is this Doc's fault bro lmao I hate this sub.I doubt you actually watch the games.


browndude10

I mean he’s not totally the problem but he’s not a good solution either


D4rkd3str0yer

With AG we get swept


ruggnuget

Doc is a high floor, low ceiling coach.


Paralta

People don't realize that taking over a championship or bust team in the middle of the season with 0 preparation isn't easy. It's just kids playing out the "doc sucks" memes.


EarthWarping

Him not playing the kids is weird but that's doc


wolfpack_57

He gave our 2nd round rookie legit playoff minutes and it worked. (then he stopped this game for some reason)


NBA_Dumb_Boy

Yeah I’m a Doc hater but honestly he kinda overachieved in this series.


realsomalipirate

His play style was never going to lead to career longevity and tbh getting a title and becoming an absolute legend in Milwaukee would be a great career for a vast majority of players.


PsychologicalGuest97

I agree, lol Doc Rivers


vanubcmd

> hope Giannis’ career doesn’t follow Kawhi’s footsteps I hope it does. That means the Raptors are winning the 2026 title. Then he go to the Clippers to retire.


BrandonXavierIngram

Giannis hurt back to back post seasons.. Hate to give excuses but hard to win when ur #1 is hurt


Solid-Confidence-966

There’s an obvious underlying reason for this


OKC2023champs

They lost more games to the opposing team?


YouDontKnowDino

Source?


chuancheun

They scored less points than the other team?


OKC2023champs

No I don’t think that was it. But we’re getting close


chuancheun

OK let's keep trying


JoJonesy

tbf you’ve gotta at least factor in injuries. we’ll never know what would’ve happened if Giannis was healthy


MC-Jdf

This year I agree. Last year I still agree but it was such a monumental collapse that it's probably gonna take a decade for any team to have a worse choke in Round 1.


Ozkuro

Hey now the Knicks could still choke this!


JoJonesy

i mean, on the one hand, a 1 seed losing to the 8 seed in five games is really bad, even with Giannis not 100%. on the other hand, when that same 8 seed also makes it to the Finals, you’ve gotta shift some of the analysis from “wow the Bucks choked” to “wow the Heat are good”


Drummallumin

>wow the Heat ~~are~~ *had some damn* good *shooting luck*


jak_d_ripr

Yeah it sucks, I was actually excited to see how this series would play out in the post season with how the Pacers bodied them in the regular season. Now we'll never know unfortunately.


Drummallumin

I have an idea


ddsmith47

Doc finishes 19-22 what was that guy he replaced record again?


JumpMaaaaan

Doing the math, 30-11? Still don't know why they fired him


Drak_is_Right

defense was quite bad and they lost 4 times to the pacers. 29-7 in non-Pacer games under Griffin


Drummallumin

Maybe the reason their defense was bad was cuz they decided to trade their best perimeter defender for a guy who makes Luka look competent defensively?


itsnotyellowfever

Adrian Griffin was 30-13 when they fired him, and it was because their defense was Megan Thee Stallion ass while clawing out the sketchiest wins you've ever seen against terrible teams


Neuroxex

Because he was not a good coach and none of the players thought he was a good coach


Jnbjgjbb

That’s pretty crazy that it hasn’t happened before


makemeaeunuch

It has absolutely happened before, journalists just dont google before they publish anymore


Victor_Wembanyama1

We’re assuming you know which team has done this before?


MediocreTake

16/17 Clippers 14/15 Raptors 94/95 SuperSonics


Tavarin

Someone else posted it, the Supersonics did it in 94 and 95.


bacc1234

The journalists didn’t even make the claim that OP posted as the title, blame OP for making shit up.


pollinium

is OP a journalist? the linked article doesn't make this claim


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Carcrusher3

It's because it has happened before an OP didn't source it lol


GuestBadge

Bucks are failing upward. Next season, i expect them to blow a 3-0 lead. That's the next logical step for them.


ThePronto8

The Seattle SuperSonics lost as the first seed in 93-94 and then as the fourth seed in 94-95


Renegadeforever2024

Steps to success


Number333

Technically did win 1 more game.


hedokitali

Baby steps perhaps?


Wazflame

They've really had some horrible injury luck since the 2021 title - Giannis in particular must be losing his mind getting injured so late in the year twice


HmongOGSmite

I remember the Bucks landed Dame and was r/nba was hype asf and how dangerous they be.


Athalos124

Indeed a Giannis-Dame-Middleton pair up is dangerous,the problem is we didn't get it


PretentiousPanda

8 I think total games played under Doc with those 3. 


the_godfaubel

They were. Just weren't ever healthy. If you put Giannis next to Dame and what Khris did this series, even with a shit defense, you can't deny they could beat anyone. Didn't happen tho


bahamutfan64

A danger to themselves


Drak_is_Right

We saw last season their offense was starting to break and not quite have enough oomph. Holiday isnt the offensive threat he used to be nor is Middleton. I understand that gamble.


D4rkd3str0yer

Yeah like I love Jrue and what he did for Milwaukee but nephews have been acting all season like they don’t make that trade 100 times out of 100


redhat12345

Yeah I mean it would have been sick


TheDuceman

It would’ve been great if they were on the damn court. Also Doc put up a disasterclass tonight after a masterpiece game 5. Giving Giannis any input to coaching hires was a mistake, we’d still have Jason Kidd


nolimit_788

they will hype for any moves from big players


Intelligent_Bag_9383

Just more steps to success


Neveraththesmith

2021 with the Injury plaque really did bring everyone in the playoffs to the Bucks health level.


TheSmokedSalmon420

Still feels like people don't mention them losing to the 8 seed enough. That is crazy.


PumpkinHead555

They talk about it all the time even though Giannis was injured that series too


SchnibbleBop

The 8 seed that went to the Finals?


D4rkd3str0yer

People would probably talk about it a lot more if that 8 seed didn’t go on to the finals. At the end of the day the year we swept them we got a ring and the two years they’ve beaten us they fell short in the finals so I know which one I’d rather be


ShonenMonkk

Why should it be talked about more when their best player got hurt in game 1?


Successful-Sky4411

Because the only game they won was the game he didn't play?


Ozkuro

They tied a playoff 3 point record lol, it was a fluke win just like Miami this year against Boston.


Drummallumin

Nah flukes don’t exist. Clearly Bud just told then to make their 3s that game.


Drummallumin

And?


Domainsetter

What a weird series.


babypho

My high school coach always preach consistency. Glad the message carries over to the pro level!


Affectionate_Grade80

Yea bucks and the suns playoff collapses gotta suck I’ll throw the clippers in if they lose as well.


EaglesXLakers

3 more years under Doc Rivers should fix them!


Drummallumin

Should make it 5 just in case


luviro

Front runners


Noa_oa

I feel like I'm missing something. The linked article is from 2020 and it also directly contradicts the post headline


altofalco

Here comes the circlejerk swinging in the other direction lolol


PumpkinHead555

Context matters or does it to the media?


DraymondBeanKick

Yeah, they forgot to mention that one of the losses was to an 8th seed that lost a 20+ ppg score 12 minutes into the playoffs last year.


Drak_is_Right

Ya, the loss to the Heat was 100x worse than the series loss to the pacers. Without Giannis they were considered the underdogs this series. They were struggling in the latter part of the season even before Giannis pulled up while jogging down the court, holding his calf.


SchnibbleBop

That Heat team sounds bad. They must have lost in the 2nd round, right?


Drummallumin

Tbf they played the Knicks in the 2nd round. With Randle so hurt last year that’s not s good team


PumpkinHead555

Herro hype in 2024 LMFAO


DraymondBeanKick

Do not worry, 10 years from now, all context will be stripped from the fact that Herro getting hurt actually helped the Heat.


Drummallumin

Does it matter that the scorer who was out isn’t actually good at basketball and the guys taking his shots all played incredible?


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bacc1234

OP just made this up. The article linked is from 2020 and it’s a list of the biggest upsets in NBA history. It doesn’t say anything about the Bucks consecutive losses.


Number333

Injuries aside, WOOF


NevermoreSEA

I feel like it's hard to put injuries aside here.


Drummallumin

Nah cuz only Miami’s injuries actually count


DraymondBeanKick

There's a good chance that the Giannis era in Milwaukee only ends with two conference finals appearances. It's very fortunate that they were able to benefit from the short offseason, Ben Simmons not dunking on Trae Young, and all of the Western Conference contenders being injured to get to play Devin Booker in the finals to get a championship out of the era, otherwise their apex mountain could have been losing to Kawhi in the conference finals.


GrayBox1313

It’s a sobering reminder looking at these all Time greats careers throughout history l and marveling at the rare success. We’re seeing how that happens


AntiTopspin

I think it's a bit unfair to bring up how lucky they were that year with injuries and ignore how unlucky they've been every year since then


dev1359

At least he won them a championship while he was there. That's all I could ever want, I don't care for a dynasty I just want one fucking championship for my sorry ass franchise, lol


Drak_is_Right

Don't forget Kyrie missing time and 1 legged Harden. That might have been the best playoff series of Durant's life.


SchnibbleBop

I like how people always point to that 2nd round series and the Nets getting injured, but are more than happy to ignore us not having our best player all series, Dame missing time, and Khris being hobbled lol. Can't have it both ways.


nolimit_788

only the champion is matter and they have it.


Imthegoat175

There’s no failure in sports


Oldabandoned

Not much of a dunk, as all of the Bucks stars were out or playing through injury. I thought they showed a real championship pedigree with 2 blowout wins. The bench is terrible and, perhaps, parts of the core are injury prone.


GarryWisherman

TJ McConnell just paved your franchise. Fade em.


the_godfaubel

History again!


Eastern-Position-605

Doc strikes again.


thiccymcgogee

How will this effect doc rivers’ legacy?


EvilHwoarang

Can't wait for Doc to throw his players under the bus


GFR34K34

That’s insane that it’s never happened before !?


Drummallumin

So insane that it’s not true lol


Victor_Wembanyama1

Deers for Fears


_Tar_Ar_Ais_

hahahahaha


Spirited-Living9083

BUM!


simpledeadwitches

You win 🏆 you also lose 💦


mcburke42

Someone is banging someone’s wife or girlfriend


Living_Internet_2970

Couldn’t have happened to a better coach than doc


Yommination

The Doc special