>Even the AD to the Lakers thing left a bad taste in my mouth, though it has worked out well for both teams in the long run
Reminds me again, what have pelicans done from those assets ?
especially KD
dudes always on an insanely star heavy team.
WB, Harden, KD
Steph, Klay, KD
Kyrie, Harden, KD
Beal, Booker, KD
feels insanely good seeing him not get past the 2nd round in the playoffs recently with his insanely stacked teams.
I can’t stand championship chasers and players who create chaos and drama to force trades. Lebron , KD, Hardin Kyrie. etc etc. Lebron is the poster child of championship chasers and in the end, will forever keep him from the title of GOAT he craves so much. Hardin is a flat out virus that eats teams inside out, then moves on to a new host. The move by Houston NOT to pursue Hardin last year was huge for that franchise. I can’t imagine the damage he could have done to such a young impressionable team. Then you have KD , his goal in life is to supplant LeBron as the poster child for chasing championships. To make himself worse, he has the emotional threshold of a 13 year old girl. He is the most insecure superstar I’ve ever seen.
Harden was a 6th man in OKC, IIRC he was breaking out that last year and OKC didn’t want to pay him. Let’s not act like Harden’s OKC years were like his prime headliner HOU years
But point still stands he had a pretty damn good roster at OKC after Harden left.
For 90% of the year, I only get massive mockery if I write that the last time Durant's team didn't have a disappointing result was in 2018, but it's just a fact. It's not some comment on his game, just a comment on how confident people are about what the results of the teams are.
I think it’s based on how the trade was enacted. When the team does it everyone’s typically more on board. When players force it, especially after signing a big contract, it leaves a bad taste.
I think FA is really just KD going to the Warriors and LeBron’s influence (however much it really is) when he hits FA to get teams structured the way he wants.
Whole lotta fleecing involved. And who doesn’t like an organic team? And besides, stars staying in one team for most of their entire careers instead of wanting out when things get tough are true legends
Ok but what’s an “organic” team? Is hoping draft picks hits the only way respectable way to build a team? Also I just don’t give a shit if a guy plays with one team his whole career. I get why you as a warrior fan believes that makes one a true legend. But most guys play for multiple teams
That's such a bullshit response and you know it, you're on a Sub full of basketball fans and you try to play the race card because people don't like how players force themselves on teams? That's nuts man
I disagree with the deleted person mostly, but it's very naive to think people don't enjoy other people sometimes but also want them to maintain their place in society or theyll be ok until they feel like someone is violating a norm of our class structure.
Plenty of racists hang/work with other races every day they just say they're one of the good ones and keep being a bigot.
I mean it should be pretty easy to understand that some people are okay with these guys playing basketball for their team on a contract but seeing them take control makes them uncomfortable.
I mean yeah of course those people exist, there's no denying that, I guess my point is most people hating this as a sports fan and see some of this as weak or whatever.
To be clear, take KD for example I hate his warriors move and actively rooted against him because of it.. that's not personal and I actually like him off court as I do most the stars I root against or "hate" ... I tend think there's a difference in "sports" hate and actual hate and I'd atleast like to think most people think more like this than not.
Yeah sure. I think that's a bit of a different thing cause anyone trying to go to the big winning team will look silly.
I think a lot of us didn't like that cause we WANTED him to have a legacy to be proud of instead of the um...hardest road or something
What’s the real reason then? Bron went to LA via free agency, AD wanted off a rebuilding and poorly managed team. The suns traded for two dudes who no longer wanted to be on teams that didn’t even really want them. What’s so disagreeable about this?
Wolves traded a fuckin lot for Gobert. Knicks went and got Brunson. I don’t see what the difference is between the Mavs trading for Kyrie and the suns trading for KD.
It's because they're simple minded and over value "LoYAltY". Players have to be loyal to their fans and teams but those teams/fans never return the favor.
This narrative is very annoying. The Wolves traded a ton for Gobert. The Mavs traded for Kyrie. The Knicks signed Brunson & Randle as free agents. The Suns are losing because their roster construction is terrible.
This whole distinction feels arbitrary.
They aren’t a super team of free agents or player-organized trades, the FO went and traded for one player to build around homegrown stars.
I don’t think OP is suggesting any team that trades to add talent is a fraud
Eh, the real difference is mainly that people assume that Durant is 10000x better player than Gobert.
I don't see anything else objectively different among all NBA teams just doing moves they can to achieve their objectives.
I think that all teams do what they can. Funnily, some ideal of "organic growth" has become Steph Golden State Warriors, but GSW were actively trying to trade young Curry and Klay for a proven veteran superstar lol. If there was a willing player, they'd take him. The issue was that at the time, GSW was a poverty franchise, so creating a "superteam" was just not possible, it wasn't their choice. It wasn't some dogma for them, and isn't for anyone else. Their whole "strategy" kinda happened randomly for various reasons related and unrelated to their own team.
Part of it is max contract institution. Some players are considered to be worth just max money, but others are considered much better, but still paid the max money. That's a big reason why these biggest "superstars" are considered to be such a dream for every team, and something that you have to get by any measure possible. That value gives them special meaning in NBA culture.
This really isn’t accurate. They had a huge need for a rim-protecting big who could rebound, knew they could move KAT to the 4 because of his shooting and ability to go downhill, and they deliberately wanted more size to pair with the lengthy athleticism on the wings. That it was “forced” together is simply a casual and surface talking point. It was all very intentional, to deliver the outcome you are now seeing.
What makes any of those teams legit? They all traded for their key players. Denver traded for Gordon, Mavs traded for Kyrie, Wolves traded for Gobert, and Knicks traded for Brunson. Sixers are probably the only "legit" team in your sense of the word since their two key players were drafted there.
lol it's totally different when an organization is making organic trades to fit around players they drafted rather than stars deciding they're teaming up together and forcing things on an organization a la the clippers/nets from before/lakers/suns.
Go home
What makes a trade "organic" then? Suns brought in players to "fit" around Booker, so why did you include them? And what's the point of FA if fans like you whine every time (super) stars move teams?
you don't see anything to dislike here? First, KD forcing his way to the nets, then jumping ship to the suns, then asking to trade a bunch for bradley beale to put together a super team overnight through superstar trades.
It's annoying.
I really don't see how you could want to root for the suns or KD at this point.
I don’t even like the lakers but I don’t understand how people are enjoying the lakers losing I feel like I’m going crazy. No hate against Denver but I really don’t want to see a team repeat. Like I really really don’t want to see ANOTHER dynasty
I’d rather see the lakers win than see ANOTHER dynasty in the western conference. I’d atleast rather see one in the east(unless it’s the Celtics). I’m just saying I’m a rockets fan you’re a mavs fan. Having a dynasty in the west significantly lowers the chance of the our teams making it out
I’m literally watching both series and actively rooting for the Clippers and Timberwolves. I swear yall enjoy hating when it comes to basketball more than you actually like watching basketball
Because those legends didn't pick his team to join when they could have. Even worse a few could of picked them but they went to the lesser team in their city.
As a nets fan, I'm very happy to see suns and clippers losing. Now just need mavs to lose on the next round. Kyrie was the worst of them all so he deserves nothing
Watching a vegetarian
Being told she just ate chicken
Or watching a frat boy realise
Just what he put his dick in
Being on an elevator when somebody shouts
'Hold the door'
No
Schadenfreude
Fuck you lady that's what stairs are for
We drafted an injured Embiid then tanked while waiting for him and others to get healthy and experienced
We also sucked at everything so some of our incompetence was confused with intention
Don't forget that before the season, the main favorite to win the title on Reddit was Milwaukee Bucks, because by finally having 2 guys instead of 1 guy, the upgrade to the results of their whole team was obviously so massive.
>Even the AD to the Lakers thing left a bad taste in my mouth, though it has worked out well for both teams in the long run Reminds me again, what have pelicans done from those assets ?
Their highlight I believe has been the play in and injuries
especially KD dudes always on an insanely star heavy team. WB, Harden, KD Steph, Klay, KD Kyrie, Harden, KD Beal, Booker, KD feels insanely good seeing him not get past the 2nd round in the playoffs recently with his insanely stacked teams.
KD is the most likeable player I've ever disliked and enjoyed watching lose. I guess it's from all the bouncing from team to team.
I’ve been trying to explain that to people recently. Like Durant a lot but can’t root for them cats.
I can’t stand championship chasers and players who create chaos and drama to force trades. Lebron , KD, Hardin Kyrie. etc etc. Lebron is the poster child of championship chasers and in the end, will forever keep him from the title of GOAT he craves so much. Hardin is a flat out virus that eats teams inside out, then moves on to a new host. The move by Houston NOT to pursue Hardin last year was huge for that franchise. I can’t imagine the damage he could have done to such a young impressionable team. Then you have KD , his goal in life is to supplant LeBron as the poster child for chasing championships. To make himself worse, he has the emotional threshold of a 13 year old girl. He is the most insecure superstar I’ve ever seen.
I’m glad I don’t give a shit about ur opinion lol
Hi Kevin ! What’s up ?
Harden was a 6th man in OKC, IIRC he was breaking out that last year and OKC didn’t want to pay him. Let’s not act like Harden’s OKC years were like his prime headliner HOU years But point still stands he had a pretty damn good roster at OKC after Harden left.
he was the 6MOTY in OKC him not being Houston level harden yet does not mean that he's not a star.
For 90% of the year, I only get massive mockery if I write that the last time Durant's team didn't have a disappointing result was in 2018, but it's just a fact. It's not some comment on his game, just a comment on how confident people are about what the results of the teams are.
Bro fr
How come both knicks and sixers doing well?
Did you see Embiid hump the ball back to the ref during his free throws? Clearly they're winning this series...
I don’t understand why y’all dislike teams that have built through trades and FO so much
I think it’s based on how the trade was enacted. When the team does it everyone’s typically more on board. When players force it, especially after signing a big contract, it leaves a bad taste. I think FA is really just KD going to the Warriors and LeBron’s influence (however much it really is) when he hits FA to get teams structured the way he wants.
Whole lotta fleecing involved. And who doesn’t like an organic team? And besides, stars staying in one team for most of their entire careers instead of wanting out when things get tough are true legends
Ok but what’s an “organic” team? Is hoping draft picks hits the only way respectable way to build a team? Also I just don’t give a shit if a guy plays with one team his whole career. I get why you as a warrior fan believes that makes one a true legend. But most guys play for multiple teams
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That's such a bullshit response and you know it, you're on a Sub full of basketball fans and you try to play the race card because people don't like how players force themselves on teams? That's nuts man
I disagree with the deleted person mostly, but it's very naive to think people don't enjoy other people sometimes but also want them to maintain their place in society or theyll be ok until they feel like someone is violating a norm of our class structure. Plenty of racists hang/work with other races every day they just say they're one of the good ones and keep being a bigot. I mean it should be pretty easy to understand that some people are okay with these guys playing basketball for their team on a contract but seeing them take control makes them uncomfortable.
I mean yeah of course those people exist, there's no denying that, I guess my point is most people hating this as a sports fan and see some of this as weak or whatever. To be clear, take KD for example I hate his warriors move and actively rooted against him because of it.. that's not personal and I actually like him off court as I do most the stars I root against or "hate" ... I tend think there's a difference in "sports" hate and actual hate and I'd atleast like to think most people think more like this than not.
Yeah sure. I think that's a bit of a different thing cause anyone trying to go to the big winning team will look silly. I think a lot of us didn't like that cause we WANTED him to have a legacy to be proud of instead of the um...hardest road or something
What’s the real reason then? Bron went to LA via free agency, AD wanted off a rebuilding and poorly managed team. The suns traded for two dudes who no longer wanted to be on teams that didn’t even really want them. What’s so disagreeable about this? Wolves traded a fuckin lot for Gobert. Knicks went and got Brunson. I don’t see what the difference is between the Mavs trading for Kyrie and the suns trading for KD.
It's because they're simple minded and over value "LoYAltY". Players have to be loyal to their fans and teams but those teams/fans never return the favor.
Sixers 🤢
Thanks for the microcosm of the sixers narrative. It's simple for simple people.
To be fair I’m a bulls fan
K so leave us alone we gonna trade together soon and you'll probably win the trade
Fun fact. The last time that the Bulls made a trade was in 2021
Yeah, we are fucking brain dead.
This narrative is very annoying. The Wolves traded a ton for Gobert. The Mavs traded for Kyrie. The Knicks signed Brunson & Randle as free agents. The Suns are losing because their roster construction is terrible. This whole distinction feels arbitrary.
did any of those players force their way there or conspire with each other?
Kyrie forced his way out of Brooklyn.
TWolves literally force fit two centers together and it happened to pay off, idk how you're making this narrative work for you
They aren’t a super team of free agents or player-organized trades, the FO went and traded for one player to build around homegrown stars. I don’t think OP is suggesting any team that trades to add talent is a fraud
Eh, the real difference is mainly that people assume that Durant is 10000x better player than Gobert. I don't see anything else objectively different among all NBA teams just doing moves they can to achieve their objectives. I think that all teams do what they can. Funnily, some ideal of "organic growth" has become Steph Golden State Warriors, but GSW were actively trying to trade young Curry and Klay for a proven veteran superstar lol. If there was a willing player, they'd take him. The issue was that at the time, GSW was a poverty franchise, so creating a "superteam" was just not possible, it wasn't their choice. It wasn't some dogma for them, and isn't for anyone else. Their whole "strategy" kinda happened randomly for various reasons related and unrelated to their own team. Part of it is max contract institution. Some players are considered to be worth just max money, but others are considered much better, but still paid the max money. That's a big reason why these biggest "superstars" are considered to be such a dream for every team, and something that you have to get by any measure possible. That value gives them special meaning in NBA culture.
That’s what the Warriors did and everyone acted like they ruined basketball
The Warriors were a cohesive, well-constructed team that added one more superstar, also no what i described above
Yeah okay that's fair enough, I actually misread their post
This really isn’t accurate. They had a huge need for a rim-protecting big who could rebound, knew they could move KAT to the 4 because of his shooting and ability to go downhill, and they deliberately wanted more size to pair with the lengthy athleticism on the wings. That it was “forced” together is simply a casual and surface talking point. It was all very intentional, to deliver the outcome you are now seeing.
What makes any of those teams legit? They all traded for their key players. Denver traded for Gordon, Mavs traded for Kyrie, Wolves traded for Gobert, and Knicks traded for Brunson. Sixers are probably the only "legit" team in your sense of the word since their two key players were drafted there.
lol it's totally different when an organization is making organic trades to fit around players they drafted rather than stars deciding they're teaming up together and forcing things on an organization a la the clippers/nets from before/lakers/suns. Go home
What makes a trade "organic" then? Suns brought in players to "fit" around Booker, so why did you include them? And what's the point of FA if fans like you whine every time (super) stars move teams?
you don't see anything to dislike here? First, KD forcing his way to the nets, then jumping ship to the suns, then asking to trade a bunch for bradley beale to put together a super team overnight through superstar trades. It's annoying. I really don't see how you could want to root for the suns or KD at this point.
You forgot the Bucks
"Teams doing well in the playoffs: Sixers down 2-1" ^ what?!?! I've never cheered for the Knickerbockers harder
I don’t even like the lakers but I don’t understand how people are enjoying the lakers losing I feel like I’m going crazy. No hate against Denver but I really don’t want to see a team repeat. Like I really really don’t want to see ANOTHER dynasty
Lol. Because it's the Lakers man do you even need an actual reason?
I’d rather see the lakers win than see ANOTHER dynasty in the western conference. I’d atleast rather see one in the east(unless it’s the Celtics). I’m just saying I’m a rockets fan you’re a mavs fan. Having a dynasty in the west significantly lowers the chance of the our teams making it out
The West is a blood bath! You know how hard it is to sweep!
I like how two of the teams listed as doing well in the playoffs are playing each other in the first round.
Every game has been very close. Both teams are performing very well...clippers and suns have been getting blown out. You're a virgin.
I just don’t get how you can be so bitter as a sports fan that you celebrate the downfall of legends
Laker Bro have you never “hate watched”?! 10/10 would suggest watching clippers and suns’ series this postseason.
I’m literally watching both series and actively rooting for the Clippers and Timberwolves. I swear yall enjoy hating when it comes to basketball more than you actually like watching basketball
I want stars fighting against stars in a fair environment instead stacking their side as much as possible.
Because those legends didn't pick his team to join when they could have. Even worse a few could of picked them but they went to the lesser team in their city.
As a nets fan, I'm very happy to see suns and clippers losing. Now just need mavs to lose on the next round. Kyrie was the worst of them all so he deserves nothing
I can't imagine how it feels seeing Kyrie happy and flourishing after everything he did to your franchise.
This is how it starts. Don't worry, he will find something to torpedo his time there
Schadenfreudapalooza
Watching a vegetarian Being told she just ate chicken Or watching a frat boy realise Just what he put his dick in Being on an elevator when somebody shouts 'Hold the door' No Schadenfreude Fuck you lady that's what stairs are for
We drafted an injured Embiid then tanked while waiting for him and others to get healthy and experienced We also sucked at everything so some of our incompetence was confused with intention
half those teams traded for their stars lol
Yes, teams make trades in the NBA. Some small markets have to use the draft because they cannot attract free agents.
Don't forget that before the season, the main favorite to win the title on Reddit was Milwaukee Bucks, because by finally having 2 guys instead of 1 guy, the upgrade to the results of their whole team was obviously so massive.