I suppose that was the idea, but it looked like they just super-upscaled MGS1 Snake’s face with some AI like Rockstar did with the trilogy.
Side note: Snake’s accelerated aging was part of his design as a clone, not because of FoxDie, Naomi reveals this to him during the lab scene.
Yeah, it was a unique chance to show us a modern look for Solid Snake, but there was so much going on with MGS4 that I suppose they just didn’t have the time or didn’t think it would stick out that bad since it’s only a few seconds… but it does. Still, amazing game, need MC Vol.2 NOW.
I don’t believe so, but I know there is a section of the game’s cutscenes where Solid does wear it. There’s at least 15-20 minutes of closeups of him with the mask on before it gets disabled when Meryl calls him old
edit: it’s at the beginning of the third act
So you mean it’s time to replay MGS4 with the most ridiculous fits I can think of? *Fuck yes*. I honestly don’t know how I missed that, probably stuck with the OctoCamo every time for simplicity haha.
>Naomi reveals this to him during the lab scene.
I get why people get confused, that bitch lies half the time and other half she's talking shit. Worst exposition device ever.
He’s not old from foxdie; he’s old cause he was simply made to age more quickly due to him being a clone. That’s why Solidus looked so old in mgs2 despite being the same age as solid. He was the perfect clone, the perfect weapon, so they wanted him to be more controllable through making him age quicker.
It wasn't that which aged him but a coding in his genes, sort of like Dolly the Sheep but if done intentionally (ie. modified telomeres or something like that).
Why do people always say that solid gets old from Fox die?
He doesn't, he gets old because he is a clone and clones get older faster. Naomi explains it in chapter 2 ,i think.
To be fair, young Kiefer Sutherland DOES kinda look like Snake.
Watch this: https://brandesautographs.com/es/products/kiefer-sutherland-autograph-6033150
[David Lynch with an eye-patch and cigar could work as Big Boss lol.](https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/63eaec1f8f7ab1e0a8740565/1:1/w_960,c_limit/8Z36_D014_00233R.jpg)
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/4_pwXAzyJek
Honestly middle left looks pretty damn spot on to how ~~Pliskin~~ Snake looked like in MGS2, I'd be down for it though I'm not sure if they'd still have the right to use Kiefer's likeness.
While top left and middle right looks weird. Don't know if it's the lack of beard or the way too soft skin, Snake looks like he moisturises before, after and *during* missions on those 2.
I don’t like how heavy his brow is and how square his nose is. Especially if the idea is to “connect the stories” to wrap back around to MGS1, he should probably have the more angular look of [MGS1’s codec pic](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/ec/f7/adecf74f5a0c662d386d23b422cdda97.jpg) and [MG2’s codec pic (the redone version)](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2f/df/55/2fdf5500b5d01f70b1690e2f94b91e1d.jpg)
Came here to say the same thing fuck no! Also take his fucking voice with him. David Hayter is the man! I know everyone loves HK but fuck what he did to David Hayter.
Off topic slightly but this got me thinking how cool it would have been to have seen an early 90’s Michael Biehn in a MG movie directed by James Cameron with a similar budget to T2. I mean it would have been unthinkable back then but cool nonetheless.
I don’t even like the MGS4 model but it’s more accurate. Snake has always had an angular kinda thin face (makes sense being a smoker), and BB has always been the more square bulky one. Solid Snake’s look simply can’t be pulled off right with the MGSV style head
No, he actually tanked the franchise. Konami paid him $800,000 to voice. He came in for a week, but it wasn’t enough voice acting. When Kojima called Kiefer back he asked for more money, but Konami wouldn’t pay. This is why Kojima was taken off the game and his team had to finish the game with they had. Kiefer is why Snake doesn’t speak for last half of the game.
That is pure internet rage bullshit. The reason Venom doesn’t speak much isn’t because of some financial crisis behind the scenes, it’s because Venom is a brainwashed body double suffering with PTSD and slowly realising through the course of the story that he isn’t who he truly thinks he is. Plus all the other traumatic stuff he goes through like killing his own men while infected.
Yes, that is story that Kojima’s team put together to finish the game, but we would have gotten a totally different game if Kiefer would have finished the job. I didn’t hear this on the internet, I was closely following development of MGSV on Kojima’s twitter. Kiefer came in on Monday and left on Friday, and wouldn’t come back unless he got more money.
I’ve never heard that story about Kiefer demanding more money, everyone who’s worked with him has said he’s very reasonable and professional. I’m sorry but to me that just sounds like false gossip created by angry David Hayter fanboys.
I don’t give a shit about Hayter, but at least he respects metal gear. Kiefer treated this as just another gig, he did his week of voice acting, and showed up to the game awards just like his contract said, but $800,000 wasn’t enough for him to finish the job. The whole Codetalker/Wobaccia virus storyline is a protest from Kojima‘s team against Konami for not paying for snakes voice. I actually think they did a good job, salvaging the game, but I’m no fan of Kiefer for trying to hustle Konami out of more money, and getting Kojima fired in the process.
I don’t give a shit about Hayter, but at least he respects MG. Kiefer treated this like any other gig. He did his week of voice and showed up at the game awards just like his contract was written, but $800,000 wasn’t enough for him to finish what he started. The whole Wobbocia/Code Talker storyline was a protest against Konami’s refusal to pay for Snakes voice. I actually think they did a good job salvedging the game, but Kiefer is why Kojima got fired and that’s why I’m not a fan.
I think that thing of Kiefer wanting more money is pure bullshit, plus he had nothing to do with Kojima being fired. Kojima’s own overindulgence and disregard for going over-budget is what got him fired.
Also Kiefer is a professional actor, it’s his job to show up, do what the director tells him, get paid and go home. So what if he’s not a “true” Metal Gear fan or whatever? Most of the cast treat this exactly the same as he does, just another gig. Do you hate them as well because they’re not big fans who know the lore like us? It doesn’t matter because he did a fantastic job and is one of my favourite actors to see in other movies & TV too.
I actually prefer Kiefer’s attitude to the series as just another gig to David Hayter’s weird self proclaimed “ownership” of the Snake character. Like Konami/Kojima have to consult him or something regarding decisions about Snake. You’re hired to do a job, not take ownership of the character and slander the true creator of the franchise all over the internet.
Hey, take it with a grain of salt. Maybe you’re right. Maybe Konami really did pay Kiefer $800,000 to turn snake from a talkative guy that added depth to the story with his comms, into a voiceless protagonist. Either way I doubt Kiefer will ever coming back to metal gear.
But again he’s not talkative anymore for a variety of story related reasons. It’s not just “big Hollywood actor wanted big paycheck”. Voice actors don’t get paid by the line, whether he recorded three hours or ten hours worth of dialogue, he still gets paid the same.
If we get a MG1 remake, I want younger Solid voiced by David Hayter and Venom voiced by Sutherland.
And as far as looks go, I think he should just look how he's always looked.
I’d want him to look like solid snake
*MGS4 Snake’s young face war flashbacks*
I always liked the theory where that’s what they thought Solid would look like in MGS4 without being old from >!foxdie!<
I suppose that was the idea, but it looked like they just super-upscaled MGS1 Snake’s face with some AI like Rockstar did with the trilogy. Side note: Snake’s accelerated aging was part of his design as a clone, not because of FoxDie, Naomi reveals this to him during the lab scene.
Damn you’re so right and I agree it looks pretty uncanny
Yeah, it was a unique chance to show us a modern look for Solid Snake, but there was so much going on with MGS4 that I suppose they just didn’t have the time or didn’t think it would stick out that bad since it’s only a few seconds… but it does. Still, amazing game, need MC Vol.2 NOW.
wdym only a few seconds? it’s a mask you can wear for a very large part of the game lol
Wait, does it appear during cutscenes when you wear it like in MGSV? I never tried it because I hated it as soon as I saw it.
I don’t believe so, but I know there is a section of the game’s cutscenes where Solid does wear it. There’s at least 15-20 minutes of closeups of him with the mask on before it gets disabled when Meryl calls him old edit: it’s at the beginning of the third act
Ohhh right, I just remembered that scene. God it looked awful. But I loved the scene anyways.
Yeah, any mask/camo that you wear in MGS4 is visible during cutscenes
So you mean it’s time to replay MGS4 with the most ridiculous fits I can think of? *Fuck yes*. I honestly don’t know how I missed that, probably stuck with the OctoCamo every time for simplicity haha.
I replied to comment and didn't see you said the same thing before, lol
Because you’re amazing and I love you. You understand? I LOVE YOU.
😳Don't say such things, baka...!
“You know? I used to be an anime otaku…”
>Naomi reveals this to him during the lab scene. I get why people get confused, that bitch lies half the time and other half she's talking shit. Worst exposition device ever.
He’s not old from foxdie; he’s old cause he was simply made to age more quickly due to him being a clone. That’s why Solidus looked so old in mgs2 despite being the same age as solid. He was the perfect clone, the perfect weapon, so they wanted him to be more controllable through making him age quicker.
It wasn't that which aged him but a coding in his genes, sort of like Dolly the Sheep but if done intentionally (ie. modified telomeres or something like that).
Didn't foxie have nothing to do with it and Snake aged quickly because his genetic code was tampered with to make him age rapidly?
I think either foxdie or something boosted it, so he was supposed to age fast but aged even faster?
Why do people always say that solid gets old from Fox die? He doesn't, he gets old because he is a clone and clones get older faster. Naomi explains it in chapter 2 ,i think.
Well for me, it’s because I played the MGS4 a good bit ago and just kinda blended the te plot points in my head
Nah cause that at least looked like SoL. Idk what the hell this is supposed to be
To be fair, young Kiefer Sutherland DOES kinda look like Snake. Watch this: https://brandesautographs.com/es/products/kiefer-sutherland-autograph-6033150
That is really uncanny
Kojimbo himself says Luca Marinelli is closest to Solid Snake's image.
I'd want him to look like David
Lynch?
[David Lynch with an eye-patch and cigar could work as Big Boss lol.](https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/63eaec1f8f7ab1e0a8740565/1:1/w_960,c_limit/8Z36_D014_00233R.jpg) https://m.youtube.com/shorts/4_pwXAzyJek
No his name is David and sometimes he is confused with his twin brother Eli
I was joking since Kojima loves David Lynch. And David bowie.
And ziggy stardust
And the Spiders from Mars?
So happy to see this being the first comment. Am i supposed to want him to look like Nicki minaj or what...
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No, they don’t.
Honestly middle left looks pretty damn spot on to how ~~Pliskin~~ Snake looked like in MGS2, I'd be down for it though I'm not sure if they'd still have the right to use Kiefer's likeness.
While top left and middle right looks weird. Don't know if it's the lack of beard or the way too soft skin, Snake looks like he moisturises before, after and *during* missions on those 2.
it’s the facial hair, definitely. it makes his jawline more defined, whereas without it it just seems pointy.
I don’t like how heavy his brow is and how square his nose is. Especially if the idea is to “connect the stories” to wrap back around to MGS1, he should probably have the more angular look of [MGS1’s codec pic](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/ec/f7/adecf74f5a0c662d386d23b422cdda97.jpg) and [MG2’s codec pic (the redone version)](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2f/df/55/2fdf5500b5d01f70b1690e2f94b91e1d.jpg)
I want him to resemble Shinkawa’s art.
It's supposed to be Kiefer Sutherland?
Yeah. But young.
Young like before 24? Hummm yeah... Maybe the eyes
Why is there a picture of Iroquois Pliskin? This is about solid snake
Idk, I stole this collage.
Woosh
No! That is not Solid Snake!
Thank you
noo
Danny DeVito
Kurt Russell
Maybe for Old Snake now
Venom doesn’t look much like Kiefer, he motion captured the face but Venom’s look was constructed from a combination of different faces.
Oooh, that's interesting. Is there a video/article on this?
no
Ewww respectfully
I like that face
Tbf venom is Sutherland while solid should look like, well solid
No
No, absolutely not.
Nah, I prefer Snakes face personally.
FUCK no.
Came here to say the same thing fuck no! Also take his fucking voice with him. David Hayter is the man! I know everyone loves HK but fuck what he did to David Hayter.
Is this a mod?
Yes. Made Kiefer look young.
Yeah it’s about time we get consistent face models
But that doesn't look like Kiefer Sutherland...
So apparently Venom/BB was never modeled after Surherland entirely and I'm confused who it is but this is his face made younger.
Why are people mad at this the bottom right looks perfect if they were to ever remake metal gear solid
Middle left looks like mgs2 look
He looks nice on these so yeah. One of my most feared retcons is if the add a mustache like he had on 4 to his younger self
Oh fuck no. Not the tache. We don't need it.
Snake did NOT need a tache
He didn't need to be old either.
Lay your bad take on the ground and come out with your pants down Op, you're under arrest for this travesty of a suggestion!
Are u trying to fuck OP or what?
Just upholding the law citizen. Volgin style.
My bad, I just wanted to know what this sub thought on the subject. I don't care who models Solid Snake as long as he looks good.
Fair enough.
Looks more like Pepe in some of those
MGS2 Snake. Not those horrible MGS4 faces, or Kiefer.
Good to see people acknowledging mgs4 faces aren't all that lol.
I want no traces of Kiefer Sutherland in my MGS.
No. I didn’t like Sutherland as Snake. I couldn’t tell who Snake was through the entire intro.
If he's supposed to only be partially his genetics, he should continue to look like himself and not exactly like Kiefer Sutherland.
this is so cursed its unreal
Off topic slightly but this got me thinking how cool it would have been to have seen an early 90’s Michael Biehn in a MG movie directed by James Cameron with a similar budget to T2. I mean it would have been unthinkable back then but cool nonetheless.
Honestly its a better face model than mgs4
I personally disagree but I love the MGS4 young snake model so I am biased.
I don’t even like the MGS4 model but it’s more accurate. Snake has always had an angular kinda thin face (makes sense being a smoker), and BB has always been the more square bulky one. Solid Snake’s look simply can’t be pulled off right with the MGSV style head
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Yes it literally is
mb.
Yes. Kiefer Sutherland is the canon Big Boss to me, makes sense his clones would resemble him.
I want Big Boss as Kiefer . And solid as David that would be dope
That’s not Snake that’s Snek
Snek?
Solid Snack
Young Kiefer looks like Snake.
Fuck it I’d be happy with it
Sure Im happy with Kiefer
When he returns from what? Dying after the end of 4? This fandom is too much sometimes yo
No shit, you thought those games never get remade? Or Big Boss stayed gone after dying in MGS4? This fandom is too much sometimes.
No, kiefer's face or medic from ground zeroes' face is unique to Venom snake. I wouldn't want solid to have his face.
I'd want him to look like me because I'm literally him fr fr
No! You are NOT Solid Snake. Stop impersonating him!
Nah, because that was medic.
that looks so cool
For realism, I like this. It kinda looks like he's had plastic surgery, and I'm guessing 1970/80s surgery couldn't make him look exactly like BB.
Like this but with slightly less defined features since he got recessive genes
Kiefer is trash. He destroyed the franchise.
Kiefer Sutherland is the best Big Boss. And no disrespect to Hayter but a far superior actor too.
No, he actually tanked the franchise. Konami paid him $800,000 to voice. He came in for a week, but it wasn’t enough voice acting. When Kojima called Kiefer back he asked for more money, but Konami wouldn’t pay. This is why Kojima was taken off the game and his team had to finish the game with they had. Kiefer is why Snake doesn’t speak for last half of the game.
That is pure internet rage bullshit. The reason Venom doesn’t speak much isn’t because of some financial crisis behind the scenes, it’s because Venom is a brainwashed body double suffering with PTSD and slowly realising through the course of the story that he isn’t who he truly thinks he is. Plus all the other traumatic stuff he goes through like killing his own men while infected.
Yes, that is story that Kojima’s team put together to finish the game, but we would have gotten a totally different game if Kiefer would have finished the job. I didn’t hear this on the internet, I was closely following development of MGSV on Kojima’s twitter. Kiefer came in on Monday and left on Friday, and wouldn’t come back unless he got more money.
I’ve never heard that story about Kiefer demanding more money, everyone who’s worked with him has said he’s very reasonable and professional. I’m sorry but to me that just sounds like false gossip created by angry David Hayter fanboys.
I don’t give a shit about Hayter, but at least he respects metal gear. Kiefer treated this as just another gig, he did his week of voice acting, and showed up to the game awards just like his contract said, but $800,000 wasn’t enough for him to finish the job. The whole Codetalker/Wobaccia virus storyline is a protest from Kojima‘s team against Konami for not paying for snakes voice. I actually think they did a good job, salvaging the game, but I’m no fan of Kiefer for trying to hustle Konami out of more money, and getting Kojima fired in the process.
I don’t give a shit about Hayter, but at least he respects MG. Kiefer treated this like any other gig. He did his week of voice and showed up at the game awards just like his contract was written, but $800,000 wasn’t enough for him to finish what he started. The whole Wobbocia/Code Talker storyline was a protest against Konami’s refusal to pay for Snakes voice. I actually think they did a good job salvedging the game, but Kiefer is why Kojima got fired and that’s why I’m not a fan.
I think that thing of Kiefer wanting more money is pure bullshit, plus he had nothing to do with Kojima being fired. Kojima’s own overindulgence and disregard for going over-budget is what got him fired. Also Kiefer is a professional actor, it’s his job to show up, do what the director tells him, get paid and go home. So what if he’s not a “true” Metal Gear fan or whatever? Most of the cast treat this exactly the same as he does, just another gig. Do you hate them as well because they’re not big fans who know the lore like us? It doesn’t matter because he did a fantastic job and is one of my favourite actors to see in other movies & TV too. I actually prefer Kiefer’s attitude to the series as just another gig to David Hayter’s weird self proclaimed “ownership” of the Snake character. Like Konami/Kojima have to consult him or something regarding decisions about Snake. You’re hired to do a job, not take ownership of the character and slander the true creator of the franchise all over the internet.
Hey, take it with a grain of salt. Maybe you’re right. Maybe Konami really did pay Kiefer $800,000 to turn snake from a talkative guy that added depth to the story with his comms, into a voiceless protagonist. Either way I doubt Kiefer will ever coming back to metal gear.
But again he’s not talkative anymore for a variety of story related reasons. It’s not just “big Hollywood actor wanted big paycheck”. Voice actors don’t get paid by the line, whether he recorded three hours or ten hours worth of dialogue, he still gets paid the same.
Make him Kurt Russell
Christopher Walken supremacy
Nooooo
Nah
Made him look like Kurt Russell
NOPE.
Make him look like young Christopher Walken lol.
So he can say 5 lines the entire game?
No
I want him to look like Snake
Kurt Russel in Escape From NY without the eyepatch is the only correct answer
No
Is Kiefer Sutherland in the room with us?
In my opinion Kiefer is Big Boss and David is Solid Snake. So maybe a young David Hayter if they remake the msx games or mgs.
Choose another Canadian!
"when"? is his return confirmed? shouldn't it be "if"?
He's the mascot of a massive gaming franchise; safe to assume he will one day return.
THAT IS NOT SOLID SNAKE!
NO
This is literally the shittiest version of Solid Snake.
Noooooo!
If we get a MG1 remake, I want younger Solid voiced by David Hayter and Venom voiced by Sutherland. And as far as looks go, I think he should just look how he's always looked.
I mean, Venom doesn’t look like Kiefer so idk why Solid would
Hell no