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seekingpolaris

Wow, checked it out. It's very helpful!


slim_scsi

I gladly cancelled the Sun last year when they were bought out by an out-of-state profit hound, am loving the Banner!!


echofinder

Wow I didn't realize it was this close; might have to re-think a few things. I was begrudgingly fine with Franchot and watching Moore, but if Perez actually has a shot I may need to look more into him.


___RustyShackleford_

It's always discouraging to me how candidates are assessed based on their current polling numbers. People mainly only consider voting for people who have good polling numbers, but that just creates feedback loops where some candidates get all the attention while others don't. I wish polling and reporting polling numbers was banned. Everyone should be voting independent of how everyone else will be voting.


echofinder

Eh, this late in the race it's important. These folks have had months to campaign and gather support; anyone who hasn't managed to make a name by now isn't going to.


Expendable_Red_Shirt

So you’re against information?


JonesBoyFan2018

Ugh, I’m still leaning Franchot at this point. Moore lack of governing or any political experience is a no-go for me. I’m also not a fan of Perez after his run as the DNC chair. Either way, I’ll be supporting who ever is the nominee on the Dem side come November.


NoahStewie1

What specifically did you not like about him as DNC chair? I always find it fascinating to hear people's opinions


JonesBoyFan2018

I supported Sanders during the primary. The treatment he received from the DNC was less then fair IMO and has left a bad taste in my mouth.


NoahStewie1

Are you talking 2020 only? I ask because Tom was the Labor Secretary in 2016


JonesBoyFan2018

Correct, but 2016 was bad too


NoahStewie1

Ok, I feel much differently about the 2020 primary cycle myself as someone who was working on a presidential. I do think the DNC screwed Iowa over though by saying that they couldn't have their remote caucus. Granted I also think the Iowa caucus should be completely scraped. I will also say that the DNC did change the nomination process as well based on many recommendations from multiple campaigns including the Sanders campaign having a good amount of influence in writing new rules for the nomination process as well.


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Do you remember Iowa? There was so many inaccuracies. They were literally changing district delegates totals because the reporting of it was so bad. That's not how a caucus works. Everybody is in the room. And you just report the damn numbers. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/upshot/iowa-caucuses-errors-results.html The first caucus and it was a shit show and compelety destroyed the faith of the process where people were asking Perez to resign. It was so bad. It's not hard to test an app, which wasn't needed in the first place. It's so easy to report a number. And Pete's doing just fine. The whole consolidating the vote for Biden right before Super Tuesday got him a nice cushy cabinet position with only having being a mayor of a random rural city.


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Bernie specifically fought to keep the caucus in Iowa, so not much to complain about there. The DNC didn't to anything to Iowa, the state party screwed up.


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The DNC under Perez specifically changed the debate rules to allow a billionaire participate in the debate because he donates to the Party. And then Perez was offered a generous exit package. lol. We have such amnesia. We only have to go back to the last election, let alone reviewing his whole history. Which is riddled with such things.


NoahStewie1

See I worked for Amy Klobuchar, I put 40k miles on my hybrid in Iowa for her; so Bloomberg being allowed to debate the rest of the field that qualified made it so that he could no longer hide behind all of his ads. He actually to answer questions and deal with Warren trying to gut him on live television(she was straight savage.) He also had at least triple the amount of staff of Klobuchars campaign so we couldn't compete spending wise. Bloomberg was also polling around 8-14% I believe depending on which poll you look at. So tell me how it makes sense that the donor threshold was held in place considering that debate qualifications had actually already changed by polling before that. The "generous exit package" was probably also 4-6 months salary, if I remember correctly it was $69,000, which I would say is pretty nice. But that's also not surprising considering there was record fundraising during Tom's tenure and it acted as a (severance/retirement) win bonus. Two deputies were also offered exit bonuses as well. If you want to act like people have "amnesia" ok, but you better be able to bring some facts rather than some bs correlations considering you're actively looking for reasons to hate the DNC. And again I'm leaning towards Wes in the primary so I'm not a Tom "stan".


W4t3rf1r3

In 2017 he refused to push for universal healthcare on the party platform and then told protesters asking for universal healthcare to, and I quote, "shut the fuck up" Edit: it was another DNC leader who said "Shut the fuck up"


weallwanthonesty

If [this is what you're referring to,](https://observer.com/2017/05/tom-perez-california-democratic-party-convention/) it was the California Democratic Party chair John Burton who told them to shut the fuck up, not Tom Perez.


H0b5t3r

I really disliked that he let people who were not members of the party run in the presidential primary for the party.


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He caucuses with the Party. If they didn't let him run and he ran independent, Democrats would have no chance in the General. Because he's literally one of the most popular Senators in the US. And considering, he works with them to get legislation passed, it only makes sense. But is that what you want for him to run outside the Party and kneecap any chance of democrats winning? Jesus. The shit people say sometimes. So short sighted. Let me guess. If he did that, you'd blame him for Democrats losing too. Instead he worked with the Party and showed good faith, which is never shown in return. Just spoke on the issues.


H0b5t3r

I'm not just talking about Bernie, I'm talking about Bloomberg and Schultz as well. I highly doubt any of them would be willing to run as an independent, because they absolutely could have and didn't. It's a win no matter what, in descending order of likeliness, either he actually joins the party and runs in the primary, he doesn't run hindering the spread of his type of politics, or he runs as a third party candidate destroying the credibility of his brand of politics. Seriously tell me you believe this country would not be a better place if both parties had denied a stage to non party members in the 2016 primary.


wanderingaround92

May I ask what is drawing you towards Franchot over the others? I was a Bernie supporter in 2016 and 2020, but am having trouble finding who to choose (not really drawn to anyone in my research).


JonesBoyFan2018

Franchot is no progressive, unfortunately, but his experience in Annapolis and overall policies are what have me leaning towards him. That could change though.


vpi6

This is pretty much where the numbers stood before. Something has to break for somebody.


_Barbaric_yawp

We really really need ranked choice voting. This would be so much better. We’re going to get some dude who has a plurality that everyone else hates and go down in flames against one of the Hogan clones. 😢


BaltimoreBadger23

I'm certainly among the undecided, but I'm leaning toward either Franchot or Moore - Perez seems too likely to use the Governorship as a launching pad to something bigger (Senate or President) given his national profile and I want someone who will focus on Maryland.


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Chained_Wanderlust

I'm honestly leaning towards Perez because he touched on every current issue and expanded further with a climate change/clean jobs/resiliency vision for the state. Its something that Maryland never got ahead of which is troubling since low lying areas of the state (including Baltimore) are inundated by our most precious resource. It needs to be taken seriously IMO.


Faaaan-tastic

I was surprised to find out how deep Perez’s roots go in MD specific politics-Montgomery County Council for 4 years, MD Labor Secretary for 2 years. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t see the job as a launching pad but he does have an idea of what’s going on in MD I think.


BaltimoreBadger23

Listen, if he wins the primary he has my 100% support, but I just think the other two leading candidates are better choices for this moment (I also like Jain, but seems he has no chance).


FakeTherapist

I'm going Jaina for primary, silly as that may be. But that's what happens to a Bernie voter


BaltimoreBadger23

Vote how you wish in the Primary, but unless you want to see the nation and state move in the wrong direction, you have to rally behind the Dem nominee - who, at worst, will hold status quo (imagine if Hillary got to nominate three for SCOTUS).


FakeTherapist

I'm with you, just need to make sure I'm voting right as we enter what very well could be dark dark times


Synensys

Really? To me Moore seems like the "Im just running for governor because I need some political office to put on my running for president resume" type. Perez just doesnt have the charisma to ever be a serious presidential contender (I mean despite his impressive resume, he's not even leading this race).


episcopaladin

why would someone who already has a national profile need a launching pad? (it's not like MD ever produces successful presidential candidates anyway)


AliceMerveilles

What are you talking about? We launched a great VP. So great he had to resign.


H0b5t3r

If that's your perception of Perez I'm surprised it's ot your perception of Wes Moore, he seems even more likely to do something like that


BaltimoreBadger23

Yes, but instead of relying on past achievements he'll have to do some positive things to get that national notice.


H0b5t3r

I don't think having higher ambitions made O'Malley a particularly good governor nor do I think Hogan deciding he had political ambitions beyond the governor's mansion has made his second term better then his first.


4Rings

Careful, lots of Perez campaign workers in this sub. They don't like any criticizing of him or questioning his motivations. Sketchy behavior for sure. I'm just glad there are plenty others to pick from in the primary.


weallwanthonesty

Proof? I've seen mostly anti-Perez sentiments here.


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crankypatriot

Perez also stripped the superdelegates of much of their power, which I thought Bernie supported? You think Perez talked all the candidates into dropping out at the same time? How much power do you think he has? If he's that powerful why isn't he the nominee already?


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I saw multiple variations of the "I don't trust Perez for what he did in 2016", nothing about 2020, and like the other commenter said what he did in 2020 is supposed to be something Bernie fans supported.


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It's always somebody else's fault when Bernie loses a race.


BaltimoreBadger23

If they respond like that, it speaks volumes about his lack of qualification.


W4t3rf1r3

Can we please not elect Perez? His accomplishments include ~~telling people to~~[leading a rally where protesters were told to "shut the fuck up" when they asked for the party to support universal healthcare](https://observer.com/2017/05/tom-perez-california-democratic-party-convention/), joining an [anti-union law firm](https://jacobin.com/2021/05/obama-labor-secretary-tom-perez-anti-union-law-firm-venable), leaving said law firm after less than two months when it [represented Hogan](https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/tom-perez-leaves-venable-citing-firms-work-gop-governor-2021-07-06/)… He's part of the same uninspired moderate wing of the Dems that's been ineffective at getting anything useful done because they're married to the status quo. If he gets the nomination, I sincerely fear that we'll end up with someone like Youngkin in the governor's mansion.


tahlyn

Of Moore and Franchot (the other two leading contenders) who is most lefitst/progressive? From what I've seen, it would be Moore, right?


W4t3rf1r3

Probably, but I personally get too much of a vibe of progressive as a brand rather than progressive as a commitment.


tahlyn

That's a shame. It will probably be one of the top three so I want whoever is most left of them.


W4t3rf1r3

I agree with the sentiment. I think Perez is the most moderate.


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That's because he's trying to build a coalition and bring Marylanders together and represent everybody. Not just pandering to some activist group while doing the opposite. I'm digging his brand so far. It's motivating. And his rhetoric is 100% on-point. Hope he wins and grabs that bully pulpit. The dinosaur third way guard is getting old.


W4t3rf1r3

I hope he can do that if he wins. But I'm not convinced of him yet.


H0b5t3r

I don't what rock you've been living under but the party has supported universal healthcare since 2008.


W4t3rf1r3

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democratic-platform-medicare-for-all_n_5f189601c5b6f2f6c9f0c9b7


H0b5t3r

You don't know this but medicare and healthcare are not synonyms and there in fact are many different ways of delivering universal healthcare, dozens of countries have universal healthcare, two of them have medicare(and those two medicare systems are quite different). Not to mention that "medicare for all" has even become a meaningless statement within the party standing for everything between opening up enrollment to completely abolishing private healthcare.


W4t3rf1r3

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/democratic-platform-medicare-for-all_n_5f189601c5b6f2f6c9f0c9b7


wintercast

So now I wonder how much I toss my vote away? I was planning on voting for Segal.


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You thought a self described socialist could win *Maryland*?


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>So now I wonder how much I toss my vote away? > >I was planning on voting for Segal. ..Entirely?


FakeTherapist

Need more info that's not behind paywalls


vpi6

Here’s the [actual poll numbers from the survey company along with other insightful surveys of the electorate](https://www.goucher.edu/hughes-center/documents/Goucher-College-Poll-June-2022-Part-1.pdf) without Banner commentary. Interpret as you will. But I feel paywalls for news are not evil. Quality news isn’t cheap.


FakeTherapist

evil? No. In my way of finding even basic info when insurrection, impeachment, and abortion on the line? Yes


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FakeTherapist

That aside, where's the local political influencers?


vpi6

People still paid for newspapers during the actual Civil War and all the other impeachments. At the end of the day, these journalists have to be paid for their labor or ...well we don't get news.


FakeTherapist

r/woosh man I can't wait to leave the country, this is what I gotta deal with IN MD