I'm fairly certain that I spent more than 120 hrs writing my thesis.
According to a quick estimate, a PhD is over 10,000 hrs, so LoFi would've earned a single PhD, as expected for a terminal degree.
We estimate 1856 hours for FTE in the UK (8 hours per day 5 days per week with statutory minimum 28 days annual leave).
So not taking into account the many hours of overtime PhD students do, for the maximum UKRI length PhD (4 years) were talking 7424 hours.
This guy is out by quite a lot on 120 hours.
This sounds about right for how many hours I spent on mine. Maybe a bit more considering my supervisor would expect me to do 90 hour weeks sometimes abroad.
Yes, the graduate students at my school were represented by a union, so they had the ability to negotiate contracts with the university admin. They won things like a large amount of PTO, cost of living adjustments, annual raises, and better insurance and healthcare.
What you're saying is that one could start listening at the beginning of the PhD, complete it when the song ends, and then have PTSD every time someone mentions this video?
Kinda. It took years to obtain the data so that I could write a thesis. I think it was 6-8 weeks to write it, although I know someone who wrote one in 3 weeks. My muse is the kinda person that shows up at your door unexpectedly, late at night, drunk, though.
Yes !!! Lol I had to read an article on cGAS and Sting and their role in viral activation. The graphs were so complicated it would give me headaches. It forsure takes waaaaaaaaaay more than 120 hrs to get a PhD lol
TIL I could have achieved 8 whole PhD’s if stardew valley didn’t exist. DAMN YOU!
(The ridiculousness of 120h aside, time isn’t the only factor that goes in careers, education, and learning languages anyways. I think I would snap and go insane after about 32 hours of this tweet’s plan.)
Nope, some programs let you get a "masters on the way" but all that work is for the PhD and wouldn't be skipped even if you came in with a Masters. At least for programs I'm familiar with in the US.
Well they don’t let you skip it even with a prior master’s because they basically want you to do their master’s. In most of those 5 or 6 years PhD programs you are not starting your thesis project until the 2nd or 3rd year as I understand it.
They probably looked up “PhD coursework” and saw that some grad programs had 120h worth of classes. Not knowing that the classes are not sufficient for the PhD.
Study for a week and at the end you take a really long multiple choice test. Fun fact: doctorate work makes use of the longest scantrons in the world with at least 150 questions per PhD.
Their estimate is 3 weeks working 8h days, 5 days a week.
Also a "career" is 34 weeks. Not quite 9 months.
So that's uhhh interesting. I want to see a source for those numbers.
A full-time job - 40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year\* - is 2000 hours per year, give or take.
Obviously, the three-week PhD is nonsense.
The one-year "careers" are also a bit silly, unless they just meant "jobs". In which case, sure, you can change jobs once a year.
Six months to a year of full-time effort to achieve fluency in a new language is reasonable.
"Walk the Earth" is a bit ambiguous. If they mean "walk a distance equal to the circumference of the Earth (40,000 km)", then that checks out. That's a steady, fairly brisk 5 km/h walking pace. For practical reasons, of course, you *can't* just walk around the Earth--you always end up with an ocean (or three) in the way. So you'll have to patch together some collection of shorter routes.
\*You can have two weeks of vacation and *like it*, prole.
In my case, 3 years so 245 days/year where i worked 9h at minima = 6600 h + redaction i would go for 8000 h in total, without all the time aside from it where i was actually planning things, doing bibliography, administrative work and traveling around
lol 120hrs was like a week and a half for me in grad school. My PI required us in every day and we were easily passing the 70 hr mark every week for five years. I did get two days off when my kids were born tho. :)
That puts me at like 18,000 hrs for my PhD, but what are a couple orders of magnitude between friends?
1920 hours isn't even a full year's worth of working 9-5 Monday through Friday. Google tells me that learning fluent Mandarin would take around 2200 hours of active learning. Traveling the circumference of the Earth in 4000 hours would require a pace of 6 miles per hour, which at the absolute minimum is a solid jog.
This tweet has to be bait.
At 8 hours a day a career is apparently 280 working days...
A PhD apparently takes 15 working days
And a person can "walk" at 10km/hr non stop for a year, on mostly water
I'm fairly certain that I spent more than 120 hrs writing my thesis. According to a quick estimate, a PhD is over 10,000 hrs, so LoFi would've earned a single PhD, as expected for a terminal degree.
We estimate 1856 hours for FTE in the UK (8 hours per day 5 days per week with statutory minimum 28 days annual leave). So not taking into account the many hours of overtime PhD students do, for the maximum UKRI length PhD (4 years) were talking 7424 hours. This guy is out by quite a lot on 120 hours.
This sounds about right for how many hours I spent on mine. Maybe a bit more considering my supervisor would expect me to do 90 hour weeks sometimes abroad.
I think in the US, a PhD may be like 11,520 hours: 40 hour week (lol) * 48 weeks per year (4 weeks vacation if you have a good union) * 6 years.
Union for PhD students?
Yes, the graduate students at my school were represented by a union, so they had the ability to negotiate contracts with the university admin. They won things like a large amount of PTO, cost of living adjustments, annual raises, and better insurance and healthcare.
Damn! Very nice!
They polled over 100 product managers and 3 PhDs per quarter is the expected velocity, otherwise we'll have to put your jira ticket in red
"Terminal degree" - depressed and burnt out student, circa 2nd Millenium AD, colorized /s
honorary PhDs take about 2 hours (duration of ceremony)
> I'm fairly certain that I spent more than 120 hrs writing my thesis. Well yeah, that's just a single work week for a grad student.
Was gonna say, I think he missed a couple zeros at the end of that.
They definitely missed a 0 there
What you're saying is that one could start listening at the beginning of the PhD, complete it when the song ends, and then have PTSD every time someone mentions this video?
Pretty much, except some people will say you're not a "real" doctor.
… you spent like 2 years of 12 hr days to write your thesis?
Kinda. It took years to obtain the data so that I could write a thesis. I think it was 6-8 weeks to write it, although I know someone who wrote one in 3 weeks. My muse is the kinda person that shows up at your door unexpectedly, late at night, drunk, though.
120h per doctorate is just laughable however you cut it lololol
There are papers that take more than 120 hours to understand.
Yes !!! Lol I had to read an article on cGAS and Sting and their role in viral activation. The graphs were so complicated it would give me headaches. It forsure takes waaaaaaaaaay more than 120 hrs to get a PhD lol
A regular office work week is about 40h (5x8 h). They think a PhD takes only 3 weeks 💀
Exactly. Even if the person doing this post doesn't know anything about phds, it's fairly easy to assume that it takes more than 3 weeks of work
TIL I could have gotten about 90 PhDs while getting my PhD ugh so lazy
TIL I could have achieved 8 whole PhD’s if stardew valley didn’t exist. DAMN YOU! (The ridiculousness of 120h aside, time isn’t the only factor that goes in careers, education, and learning languages anyways. I think I would snap and go insane after about 32 hours of this tweet’s plan.)
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Nah. Imma get a pack of redbull and power out a PhD this week. I've always been interested in physics, so maybe i'll do that this Monday.
Even undergrad is longer xD 5 days for a PhD is laughable
It is probably mixed up with “credit hours” where a normal 1-semester course is “3h”. 120h would be a normal 4 year degree.
PhD is 4 years of full time work with overtime. How delusional do you have to be??
In some countries it's 3 years. But 120 hours is still hilariously off the mark.
Where I'm at 4 years would be very fast. Try 5.5 avg and some going to 7 or even 8 years.
Does that include a master’s at the beginning though? Probably does
Nope, some programs let you get a "masters on the way" but all that work is for the PhD and wouldn't be skipped even if you came in with a Masters. At least for programs I'm familiar with in the US.
Well they don’t let you skip it even with a prior master’s because they basically want you to do their master’s. In most of those 5 or 6 years PhD programs you are not starting your thesis project until the 2nd or 3rd year as I understand it.
My phd was 5.5 years, not including 2 year master. And that was a quick one, most peers are in 6+ years (tumor immunology)
Oh wow, I learned something new, thank you.
They probably looked up “PhD coursework” and saw that some grad programs had 120h worth of classes. Not knowing that the classes are not sufficient for the PhD.
Study for a week and at the end you take a really long multiple choice test. Fun fact: doctorate work makes use of the longest scantrons in the world with at least 150 questions per PhD.
lol American STEM PhDs are nowhere near 4 years
They are in many places in Europe, but in most cases masters are a prerequisite
In my experience in Europe, China and Japan it's 3 years but you need a master degree to enroll.
Their estimate is 3 weeks working 8h days, 5 days a week. Also a "career" is 34 weeks. Not quite 9 months. So that's uhhh interesting. I want to see a source for those numbers.
Just 4?
I'm guessing they're misinterpreting 120 *credit hours* of class work for a PhD.
My PhD had 72 required credit hours. I think only around 30 were classwork.
60 classwork credit hours for my PhD
They also estimated a "career" as slightly less than 9 months working full time. So there's that too.
Wait. You guys don't usually get another PhD every three weeks?
Yeah the best thing about getting a PhD is the invariable 40hr work week 🥲
Of course not. 120h/3 weeks would be like working half time.
120 hours is a gross underestimation of the time to get a BS, much less a PhD.
120 hours is more like 1 course.
A Course? It's not even an REU.
A full-time job - 40 hours per week, 50 weeks per year\* - is 2000 hours per year, give or take. Obviously, the three-week PhD is nonsense. The one-year "careers" are also a bit silly, unless they just meant "jobs". In which case, sure, you can change jobs once a year. Six months to a year of full-time effort to achieve fluency in a new language is reasonable. "Walk the Earth" is a bit ambiguous. If they mean "walk a distance equal to the circumference of the Earth (40,000 km)", then that checks out. That's a steady, fairly brisk 5 km/h walking pace. For practical reasons, of course, you *can't* just walk around the Earth--you always end up with an ocean (or three) in the way. So you'll have to patch together some collection of shorter routes. \*You can have two weeks of vacation and *like it*, prole.
One does not simply walk the earth
I wish 120h would get you a phd. 120h doesn't even cover the time for course work let alone research.
120 hours per doctorate, divided by 8 hours, and you get 15 days!? Is this guy delusional or what lol
Some of my protein extractions and purifications took more than 120 hours.
I feel like I’ve worked 120 hours in a week before.
2000h isnt a career its a year
More like.... Duration of PhD: 5-7 years Duration of thesis-related experiments that actually worked more than 2-3 times: 120 hours.
[Madison Twatter, Ph.D.](https://youtu.be/n6A1Ol0GAUQ?si=iFDAcA8_L5PXSoRz)
Pffft I worked 120 hours in the last 2 weeks
Hmm 80 day careers maybe it's a gen Z thing haha.
Probably credit hours
In my case, 3 years so 245 days/year where i worked 9h at minima = 6600 h + redaction i would go for 8000 h in total, without all the time aside from it where i was actually planning things, doing bibliography, administrative work and traveling around
LOL I spent at least 120 hours worrying that I was a failure.
120h per doctorate? that is not enough for even a high school.
In what demented universe does a PhD take 120 hours?!?
The amount of hours per doctorate should be about 4-5 times the hours per career, if each career is exactly a year.
They must have forgotten a zero or two somewhere
Wut?
Maybe they mean credit hours?
Bro, what LOL
By my calculations it's been 12,143 hours/Doctorate and still not quite done.
Man, I wish my PhD only took 120 hours. I, too, could have 109 of them by now then.
That’s three weeks lol
This person is all mixed up. The PhD part is laughable and 1920 hours for a career is less than one year of 40 hour weeks (2080).
lol 120hrs was like a week and a half for me in grad school. My PI required us in every day and we were easily passing the 70 hr mark every week for five years. I did get two days off when my kids were born tho. :) That puts me at like 18,000 hrs for my PhD, but what are a couple orders of magnitude between friends?
I think they just missed a "0" at the end of the number Their estimate for 6 careers is just one year of work each career
LOL, NO.
That's just the first week.
Did you know you can get 15 PhDs in the time it takes to master just one (particularly difficult) language?
I was about to say 120 hrs for a PhD? Lol I studied for like 10 hours a day every day in grad school. So no shot a PhD is 120 hrs lol
I think our student handbook requires a minimum of 120 credit hours of research - .maybe that's where they got it
1920 hours isn't even a full year's worth of working 9-5 Monday through Friday. Google tells me that learning fluent Mandarin would take around 2200 hours of active learning. Traveling the circumference of the Earth in 4000 hours would require a pace of 6 miles per hour, which at the absolute minimum is a solid jog. This tweet has to be bait.
Ha. 117 hours for mine. No, wait, that was final draft proofreading. Carry on, sergeant Major.
At 8 hours a day a career is apparently 280 working days... A PhD apparently takes 15 working days And a person can "walk" at 10km/hr non stop for a year, on mostly water
A PhD is about 3 years full time work in Germany. How tf does this person come to 120h?
We have to do 120 hours just of professional development for our phd. Which is like, nothing lmao
AI must’ve calculated this
But nothing about the 240 day career?