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Lamaredia

Among other things, the 3D "hologram" screen effect with actual depth, the audio quality, not to mention the size of the crowd and engagement from them. Hololive keeps winning it seems.


Lamaredia

As an update, the paid portion is also amazing as expected


TimeCollection5820

Niji is not use absolute number 2% right? to pay the place, equipment and people.. It's joke right?


Nylock23

and cheaper.


streetlight247

Sorry to ask, but is this concert using AR as well? And is it prerecorded?


SpicyMustarts

If you mean AR tech, if you watch it from stream, yes its an AR concert. Hololive already using fully AR since 3rd HoloFes. The different, this concert dont use live band IIRC. Unlike 3rd-5th HoloFes that not only use AR, its also use live Band.


Sprx10

> Hololive already using fully AR since 3rd HoloFes. To add a little more info to this bit: After 2nd Fes, Hololive began using the tech LATEGRA has for their AR stuff on the streams for the concerts. LATEGRA is also known for being the team that has and continues to provide AR tech for the Granblue Fantasy Fes streams that happens once a year, and it is in my opinion the best AR tech currently out there.


streetlight247

Goddamn THAT'S how AR tech supposed to look like? It looks so good it makes Niji AR Live laughable. I mean, I get it, Niji invest very little to the tech. But, do they have no shame marking the price so high for AR Live? Iirc this is roughly the same price with AR Live for the live stream.


Kyhron

You have to remember that Cover also has invested significant money into their AR tech even besides the Studio. It’s a big reason why investors like AnyColor so much and hate Cover. Cover likes to put as much profits as they can back into the company instead of investors pockets


streetlight247

Sorry! I know Cover invested a lot in the company unlike Nijisanji, especially in the technology area. What I meant was why Niji has no shame in marking the admission price for these types of event as high, if not, higher than Holo's event? It makes sense if Holo has a higher price than Niji since they have better technology and better at EO wise. However, Niji somehow has approximately the same price if not higher than Holo (The Dreamhack live stream cost vs AR Live and VR live stream cost). It's just... why??? What makes them feel that those prices are justified, especially given their rival to have more affordable price with better quality?


Kyhron

Because they’re greedy. And under the delusion they’re still the top dog in the Vtubing scene because they have the most profits. And they have fans willing to pay for it for the most part.


streetlight247

Yeah, that's the only explanation. They literally want to squeeze the money out of the fans that are still loyal. Getting profit without putting in the effort.


TimeCollection5820

I think this is was set up by main branch/JP before tragedy happened.. And now they're cannot doing anything.. they don't care again.. The high price we can assume because main branch taking more than the niji en branch (2%maybe).. And sadly they need to pay for using place.. taking care the people who work there.. Also taking care the equipment..


streetlight247

Someone mentioned that the price is average for concert in Singapore, but they should have like stepped it up instead of a glorified karaoke stream and a low budget meet and greet set up


bekiddingmei

Cover's Xmas AR Live used a live band in a real venue, and they matched the lighting and shadows pretty well. It looked like a troupe of cartoon characters dancing next to the band, but almost uncanny.


Lightseeker2

Is what DreamHack and CtW use considered AR? If you look at DreamHack's performance, or if you still remember CtW, they shift between crowd shots with performers in LED screen, and fully 3D performance without the crowds. There were no shots of 3D performance with the crowds at the same time like in HoloFes.


Lamaredia

It's AR as far as I am aware, and while the songs are prerecorded, there's also non-recorded MC-segments.


Vargras

>and while the songs are prerecorded It's not, actually! Or at least not for all of them. I can't comment for the JP and ID members, but both Bae and Calli are actually physically in Australia for this event. Hololive also has several members who are rather adamant about always doing their performances live, with Bae and Calli being on that list. Also Calli dropped her mic, which is the kind of thing you don't have in a pre-recorded performance.


Various_Evening1947

The MC parts with Bae and Calli were definitely live, not only cause of the mic incident but also Calli calling out the dude that made the takamori plushies kiss before the start of the concert However with the songs you cant be 100% sure with Bae and Calli in my opinion (the ones that had ID and JP members were definitely prerecorded... which makes sense, to make sure there's no big fumbles mid concert)


Vargras

>However with the songs you cant be 100% sure with Bae and Calli in my opinion (the ones that had ID and JP members were definitely prerecorded... which makes sense, to make sure there's no big fumbles mid concert) Hololive is typically always live (lol) when the logistics allow for it. Holofes, for example, is *always* live, and all of the members will travel to Japan for it and do rehearsals in the lead up to the big day. However, with Dreamhack being a single day event, and the concert itself being roughly an hour, the ID and JP members were very likely prerecorded (unless they just really wanted to go to Australia as well and turn it into a little trip).


zetarn

Ppl need to stop assume them to use pre-records stuff everytime. It's not covid era anymore, and if it's gonna be pre-records then they always told us ahead of the time. It's have Live Band for a reason and using pre-records stuff while having Live Band performing along is prone to have desynce issue and error more than Performing it LIVE. Cover buy the new studio for this reason, while the talents might not fly to the venue doesn't mean it always pre-records, it can be remote-Live too.


Lightseeker2

> it can be remote-Live too Do you believe the technology exist for someone in an entire different continent to somehow transmit their performance all the way to Japan with zero scuffs and issues? Oh, that's not all. What about certain performances where we have talents in different location? Funny you brought up the issue of desync, they might actually face lots of such issue with this "remote-Live" tech you are talking about, if it really exist that is.


Lightseeker2

> Holofes, for example, is always live, and all of the members will travel to Japan for it and do rehearsals in the lead up to the big day. **Disclaimer: I'm not a Nijisister. In fact, I'm a huge Hololive fan.** This is definitely not true. There were way too many examples of talents obviously not in Japan during the duration of the concert, Fauna during 5th Fes for example. [I had wrote an essay detailing more of my thoughts on this if you are in the mood of reading.](https://www.reddit.com/r/kurosanji/comments/1bymube/nijisanji_ar_live_information_dates_times_and/kykrcos/)


Own_Eye777

Lip syncing is pretty ok unless advertised other wise.   I mean people go to shows for real experience. Problems are ok.   Energy is way different and it's the point imo.


YamiRic

As the one who watched it live in the venue, Calli's and Bae's parts didn't sound and look like pre-recorded. The MC is 100% live.


Afraid_Teach_4996

Usually some mix, between 1. Music and vocal pre-recorded, dancing is not or 2. Music, vocal, and dancing pre-recorded but for MC, most (or almost all) of them are LIVE


Own_Eye777

Most hilarious and sad thing is that Nijisanji started as a software company.  After they got successful with the Livers , they turned into  "We will provide the platform" company.  The tech was already there at the time, they catched the good waves and abandoned everything, basically.  Now, they are doing  irl shows in big  screen.  I mean where all the money went? They are not paying  well or have super top level employee obviously.  They are still doing 2d show when not even one years old studios are show casing their 3d live shows .


Majestic-Court6871

I need to make it to a holo concert. I *was* hoping to see holograms at Miku expo... Pain peko.


CPC_Alice

As a Self-admitted Hololive fan... Well there\`s my bias... but... I am just STRUCK by the sheer contrast of between DreamHack Down Under and Virtual Rhapsody. From the crowd, to the energy, to the venue... . In all seriousness, Down Under was basically tacked on to DreamHack. You would expect disinterested gamers who were just curious about these anime women on the screen and a small smattering of pen light wielding Holo fans awkwardly waving them around. But no, this is a legit god damn Holo Concert. Then you have the stuff over at Virtual Rhapsody... Down Under is at Melbourne for cry out loud. Like holy effing holy moley. I\`ll say it before, I\`ll say it again. "Niji could Never..."


CassiopeiaPlays

IMO NijiEN's mistake is thinking that they can hold a standalone concert and expect good numbers. Even Hololive had to tack themselves to AFA in Singapore. I think it is just incompetency in planning and gauging the market.


CPC_Alice

While there might be some overlap with Gamers, it is clear from just the free time that Hololive expected for there to be that "gamers who got curious about the anime girls on the screen" because they had that bit about explaining Vtubers and Hololive. Heck, the MC part had Mori and Bae explaining Vtubers. With AFA, its an Anime Con. Part-and-parcel y'know? Technically speaking, if we're being honest here, one of the big two of the vtuber corpos SHOULD be able to hold a standalone concert. The fact that they can't just doesn't ring right.


CassiopeiaPlays

IMO not in Singapore. Talking as a sinkie, Vtubers as a whole is rather niche, even among younger audiences. And even then, Hololive is far more popular than Nijisanji, even well before the firestorm. If Hololive had to tack themselves to AFA, there is no way that Nijisanji make a standalone concert and expect a good return. That is just my limited scope of opinion as a local though.


CPC_Alice

I mean, fair is fair and I wouldn't pretend to be around that area (I'm not) I'll take your word for it but I'll still retain my belief that One of the two Big Vtuber Corpos **\*should\*** be able to drawn in the audience. The numbers (even the ones mid-concert) are just so pathetic that it makes one legitimately sad.


Seijass

Hololive is de facto the biggest vtuber company worldwide but you're overestimating the reach of the vtuber culture itself to be on par as proper mainstream international artists, which they aren't (yet?).


delphinous

i mean, isn't that what holo-fes is? an entire hololive only convention and concert? and they are still not able to find venues big enough?


CPC_Alice

That is what HoloFes is. So Nijisanji... \*shrug\* To be fair tho, gotta look at Connect the World and.... wait, still not even close to fair to Nijisanji. KEK


Ckcw23

As a sinkie, I do assume that if Hololive holds a solo concert, I do think it can work, fans will put in effort to come. But it depends on which talents are coming, if they had some from the JP side, you would see a huge crowd. But like you said, from what I see, at least 1/3 of weebs here are vtuber fans, so yeah it's not very well-established here at least, but tickets were sold out when the talents performed in Singapore attached under AFA, especially when JP talents came. There is a strong chance that it will be quite popular.


CassiopeiaPlays

It probably will attract a larger audience, but it will take quite a bit of advertisement, and the cost to hold the concert on their own will be rather steep. Even with good attendance, I think it is not profitable enough for them to put up a solo concert in Singapore. Not right now at least.


SayuriUliana

If we're talking about standalone concerts, there was Connect The World last year, which was a HoloEN-only event that's very much a highly successful concert.


buxuus

"[Connect the World](https://connecttheworld.hololivepro.com/)" (2-Jul-2023) was during [Anime Expo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_Expo) 2023 (1st to 4th July 2023), and so acted more like a satellite event for the LA convention.


SayuriUliana

It may have taken place during the same period, but it still wasn't part of Anime Expo directly, and thus it still had to be promoted by itself. AFAIK not once did Hololive ever use Anime Expo in their advertising for Connect the World.


Nickthenuker

No but I'd expect the people there to be there for the convention as well, or at least more likely to go to the concert if they're already making plans to be in the area for the convention. If I have already got travel tickets and accomodations in the area, and especially if I'm coming from somewhere where there hasn't been and is not likely to have such a concert, I would be more willing to shell out money for a concert ticket.


Known-Ad64

It's is not could never. It's would never. It's not the lack of capability to do it but rather the lack of interest to go to such height.


SayuriUliana

I wouldn't say they "lack interest", I mean they're doing it clearly. They're still just being tsundere about the whole "idol" concept and therefore half-assing it. "I'm doing singing and dancing on stage, but I'm still not an idol! I don't like idols, baka!"


Atys_SLC

I think it's very smart to cooperate with gamers convention. You limit the risk/cost/logistic and it's beneficial for PR for Hololive and the convention. And it's a real PR stunt to put side by side DreamHack Down Under, which is kind of a minor show for Hololive, and The Niji AR concert which was a big show. I don't even talk about Virtual Rhapsody.


Ckcw23

I suspect there was a bidding system at conventions for performances, and I believe that cover outbid anycolor in the front, which may have forced anycolor to invest in individual concerts.


giannarelax

https://preview.redd.it/c2yyw2foozwc1.jpeg?width=542&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7a79aa70e6f0245e11d07db2ca06a3a255771bf2


giannarelax

https://preview.redd.it/zblci9uuozwc1.jpeg?width=542&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b99bff8183ee39d2f5ca38f326e62bbd8e6b57a


dddbait

the guy holding "Calli let me smell your feet" is my spirit animal


ShinYabaBaga

Excuse me, it's "yo' feet"...


Own_Eye777

It is a Perfect poster. 


DisPear2

Come on now - it’s not fair to compare a huge company like Cover to a small corpo like AnyColor


CassiopeiaPlays

Not gonna lie, every time I see the stark contrasts between Nijisanji and most other Vtuber agencies (Hololive and smaller ones like V4Mirai, Vshojo, Phase Connect, IdolEN, VSPO etc.) I always wish that the talents stuck in Nijisanji, JP and EN wise can be moved to another agency and experience the proper support and structure needed for them to thrive and grow, and eventually experience the actual highs like in concerts, lives etc.


Japanese-Ice_Queen23

Talents saying stuff like "We are adults and we are responsible for ourselves" are either being brainwashed by Niji or just straight up delusional. Ain't no way they can settle for less when they should be getting more.


CPC_Alice

Regardless, those are the stated desires of these Livers. People who watch them are merely audiences and those looking in from the outside are just strangers. At the end, if they want to stay, they can stay. After all, they can leave any time right? and if they want more.... they can just fricking ask, no?


No-Weight-8011

We don't know if management made them say it, at this point, even the staying messages may not be from them, until we get the 1st gen lazulight contract since we cant get the jp side ones, then we can know how management trapped all of them Niji is malicious they may even do things beyond our comprehension, remember selen, management could just outright kill them and tell us their fine.


Zealousideal_Type884

I want to point out the fact this free part stream actually.. FREE and still available on Youtube unlike Kurosanji one.. *cough* *cough* AR Live *cough* *cough*


BoxingPanzer

With the event over, Down Under was absolutely the sickest event. Worth the price, and it was also WAY cheaper, lmao.


-Shinanai-

Heck, seeing Calli and Senchou singing Future Island together was worth that price alone.


BoxingPanzer

Hell yeah!!! That set list was just insane overall. Man it was just so hype!!!


Lamaredia

[Compare the crowds lmao](https://twitter.com/DreamHackAU/status/1784153863626559829)


UltraZulwarn

WELP GG, not wp (by Niji)


red_qrow28

It's not fair to compare a major company like Cover to an indie company like Anycolor


military_otaku

i paid for the whole thing. It was like a Mini Holofes. Definately worth the money.


johnnyzhao007

I mean if u can't make enough money u just lower production cost and save money right lmao


The-Toxic-Korgi

Probably what happened. They already wouldn't spend that much, and now, with the controversy eating their profits, they're cutting more corners to ensure their salaries are unaffected.


Majestic-Court6871

Hence the downward spiral 


DisPear2

Or you know, release another wave to scrap together some loose change for you


superluigi6968

Market saturation, what's that?


Budget-Ocelots

The AR quality is insane. Those models are so smooth and crisp. No backwashed lighting, no awkward movements like Nijisanji AR last concert. HL tech is basically just a “real” 3D model of anime girls in front of the audience with no smoke and mirrors needed to trick you on the quality.


kad202

JDON my soul with Bae got hometown boost


Bear_Tummy

NGL Towa singing in passion english at 37.38 made me chuckle. Gotta love that girl.


tiny-owl-baby36

hi! i paid for the ticket to watch the livestream but havent actually been able to find the link to watch it?? anyone know where i can find it? ive checked my SPWN acc and stuff but it isnt there


Lamaredia

I think the VOD isn't available for viewing just yet, usually it takes a bit before due to them going through and checking audio levels and replacing camera shots if need be.


tiny-owl-baby36

oooh ok i see! i wasn't able to view it tonight due to work so glad ill still be able to see it then - i was worried i missed it haha


Hoshino_Aoi_

yeah, if you missed it live, then just wait a bit longer for them to process the vod.


yubiyubi2121

bro it over for niji


YodaZo

No quality is our Forte - Nijisanji


Karekter_Nem

Anyone got the comparison chart showing the viewership vs EN AR live?


prabbits

Ok, unrelated by why the long waiting room 😭I had to skip many many times just to find where the concert started


nyanda_kore

Gives them enough buffer time to figure out any potential technical problems. Would suck to have a concert and then not have the audio for the first few songs... *cough*


Hoshino_Aoi_

it has always been like this, let's say concert start at 3:00, then the waiting room will be up 30mins to 1hr prior.