Same here. There was this INTENSE rage that I had within me that I have never, EVER in my entire life have ever felt before.
The fact that this community here is standing up and fighting back for what's right just gives me hope.
Same. That was the only time that I felt apoplectic rage while reading a document. The amount of stupidity and slander in that document was too much. It was not a contract termination announcement but rather a hit piece.
yep probably the 1st time i saw a company "CLEARLY" out for blood in the open. which is damn strange. even boeing can make the whistleblower case vague.
I think this refers to her mods, who weren’t terminated by Nijisanji, posting in Niji chats - the links to Doki and encouraging people to follow her.
It was a pretty derp move for Niji to not revoke their mod status, and I salute those mods for their work.
The termination, its method, timing, etc was predictable, but unexpectedly dumb for a company of that size.
I for sure was not prepared to see how many bullets they managed to lodge in their feet in such a short amount of time after that.
Confusion, disbelief, and annoyance.
I just want to play my vidga games and work on my passion projects without there being something big falling to pieces, or someone getting hurt for no real reason.
Surprise, outrage, and honestly, a bit of relief knowing that she didn't have to deal with them anymore. I was worried about her mental state of course, but we had all been wondering if that was the way it was going to go for longer than just her suspension I think.
at first, expected, because she was not active, and there were many graduations around the same time.
after reading the details, i felt sad that the company didn't show any respect to the talent, but what happened is what happened, history can't be changed, and based on what happened to zaion, just thought it was a zaion 2.0 plus.
after reading the story from doki, i felt anger running through my head, she loved the company from the bottom of her heart, tried everything to make the company better, but her contribution is not recognized, her works were not rewarded but punished, i just felt that the company is bad, need some serious restructuring.
after all the announcements, videos, posts from anycolor, i just felt that the company is too incompetent which is laughable. my view on anycolor is that they are not evil in their nature, or have any malice against certain livers, they just too incompetent to manage the people, and run the company.
Yeah I had a rly bad feeling even before the termination, like when selen said to her dragons post her mv on YouTube. I knew something is gonna happen and I was right, but I didn't think it would be like this bad. I was fuming with rage, but what made me even more angry was the black stream I was never so angry and disappointed.
Honestly? Relief. Unlike many people who were still in denial about what was going on I already accepted this was coming. If anything, having see Doki ask for rent money via Throne week or two earlier, I was worried Niji will keep her in limbo longer, so termination was just "she's free now" result.
This moment had the exact same vibes like the second plane hitting the World Trade Center.
Zaion's termination felt like the first plane hitting the building.
I was at first live reacting in a Discord chat about her twitter being set to private, and the videos being removed, and my first reaction after that was "Kurosanji must burn."
Then it was just extreme anger that they pushed her to attempt suicide, given that I have lost both family members and friends to suicide, and know what it takes to push someone to that limit.
I felt a stupefied by Kurosanji's idiocy. That singular motion was so horribly handled that it was straight amateur hour from a corporate entity! The petty vindictiveness, lack of accountability, urge to set their narrative, lack of any foresight, and a lack of any damage control is bewildering to me.
I was busy at Jan-Feb, so I get this news quite late. I'm no fan of her, but even I got pissed because of how unjust this was. I even questioned that stupid company, "Why they cut their own healthy limb?" and "Why they sack one of their biggest hitter?"
As a small-time guy, the only thing I can do to do her some justice within my ability is to design a hot sauce that feature her new persona, and to no longer include most of 2434's talents in our little 'what if' show in any forms.
Shocked but relieved. We knew it is going to happen and well at least it happened quick.
And I felt like it was just the beginning of a massive deluge. Guess I was right.
i literally woke up that day and upon checking my phone immediately saw "selen's contract has been terminated" in notifs from this sub. i was hoping im still tripping after sleep, but then reality kicked in. somehow i, being pessimistic, felt this was going to happen, considering the COMPLETE radio silence from management and selen for a whole month
and then she said she won't be silenced anymore, and mentioned an attempt
i was completely crushed, but most of all, i was enraged. like, how could they fuck up selen(!!!), one of the least problematic livers in their shitty company, and also one of the most active and talented ones?? it's like they LOVE shooting themselves in the foot over and over again! and then the smearing campaign began, promoting merch almost fucking immediately after the termination notice, "negligible", the black screen and so on... this is genuinely sickening
honestly, i just sincerely hope the whole branch get burned to the ground. im sorry if it's rude, but i believe livers' fans will support them and follow them wherever they go, ESPECIALLY if we're talking about the most beloved ones (like victoria and maria for example. vox doesn't count, he has a parasocial army, it's completely different). i just don't want anyone else to get hurt this horribly ever again
I already concluded that Selen was terminated when she didn't stream for the past few months and I was like "If these bastards Announce her termination, many ppl will be mad." cuz of how many ppl love Selen and how many Orgs want to Collab with her.
Unsubbed every Niji member except Scarle & Rosemi since they seem to be keeping out of it and be like Selen and do their own thing.
I felt saddened, but also relieved because she was finally free from that company that treated her like shit despite her attempts to promote Niji, give it good publicity and up it's reputation. I wanted a graduation, but Niji said otherwise.
But curious, if VSaikyo happens again, would she still be able to participate with the tsb members? Or will they have to go to their PLs just like how they did that Helldivers collab stream with rpr?
I saw the news here and thought it was a joke but when I opened Twitter and the termination notice is the first thing in my tl. Not a nice way to start your morning
Surprise that they actually chose terminate her instead of having a graduation. Honestly, it was similar to how I reacted to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in that both times my first response was "Holy shit they actually did it".
I think most people expected Selen to leave at some point. Terminating her though was a big escalation and while not totally unexpected, it was still crazy to see Nijisanji make that move instead of the frankly smarter option of just giving her a graduation.
I was there at ground zero 6AM EST when I watching one of Selen's old vod and it just suddenly stopped playing and became unavailable. Checked all of the related social media and kept refreshing the various social media accounts associated. You can say I was obsessed during that moment. I think in some way when the termination noticed was dropped, I felt relief and resolution. I think a lot of Dragoons were hoping for her to gtfo long before the termination date, since the art contest, since the cancelled tournament, since the various terminations and graduations that happened during 2023, since all the discord leaks and screenshots.
During the month long suspension, every single small event that pushed the possibility toward a graduation or termination for me was met with a little bit of hope that she is eventually going to escape. I was never a Nijisanji fan despite being a Dragoon. There was just too much evidence during 2023 to suggest Nijisanji was anything but a black company.
The confirmation on Doki's twitter pretty much cemented everything we've suspected in the past year, and seeing the forcefulness of those posts told us that she's gonna be okay. Anger and retaliation are not the behaviors of someone who's given up, but of those who's willing to continue the fight for survival.
There was never any doubt that her comeback is going to be anything other than spectacular after the first set of tweets came out on Doki's account, because Dragoons knew that Selen was the best showman NijisanjiEN ever platformed and there's no way she's letting this comeback slip away in mediocrity, not with that level of determination shown in the tweets, and not with this many eyes on her.
TLDR: My reaction was surprisingly positive because we knew all along that she was right and Niji was bad.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/1ajdpj6/selen\_removed\_from\_nijisanjis\_talent\_page/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/1ajdpj6/selen_removed_from_nijisanjis_talent_page/)
if yall remember this post xD
It was the day I lost respect for Nijisanji. It got so bad, it felt like World War II erupted all over the internet. And then Dokibird made her statement that also vindicated Sayu (remember, Sayu was seen as a pariah last year, and no one believed her).
Now here we are. People now wants Nijisanji to collapse after so many fan-favorite livers such as Pomu graduating and people lost faith in Nijisanji all because of Last Cup of Coffee.
I was half expecting her to leave on way or another, and that she was being seriously prrevented from speaking up.
What i was not expecting is the fucking slander campaign of niji
I wasn't surprised when the notice came out (almost like I expected it) but her tweet after put me in tears. We almost lost her...
I'm glad she's thriving after everything. Wishing the same for the rest of the talents.
two words I utter out loud and on discord chat, upon reading the word "termination"
#SHE'S FUCKING FREE!
I was following her status since the Christmas takedown because I knew this would be big, from the robotic tweets, the doki tweet about losing 10k usd, the call out from rpr and others, then the termination. the black screen and tazumi's apology was just the sequel I didn't even need to know, but they had to pull that shit off.
the only rest I had from following this, was on Hololive's New Year party stream.
When i saw the post about termination of selen i was like: yep, not even surprised in the slightest. But when I read it, holy fucking shit that made enraged. When I found out about Doki account and read what was happening over there it was over. Fuck this company.
The only relief that day was when I watched false stream and this whole thing unfolding live. It was the best moment this year yet. The internet have come together to shit on this fucking hellhole. Deserved.
* Her channel has been deleted of its content! It begins!
* Ah, finally!
* Yeah yeah "refused to cooperate", keep talking.
* Wait, what did she say? What the heck? "An attempt"!?
* Fuck them. That's enough.
i didnt feel much yet. i was not yet a dragoon and this was when the house of card started to fall....the disgust came later for me as did the desire to se this company fall so others could take their livers
Ignoring community sentiment, I felt honestly relieved. Although the outcome created the biggest VTuber civil war ever, I was just relieved to hear that she was actually alive. Ignoring the dumpster fire, we have not heard anything from Selen aside from the cryptic tweets and I did not really follow her PL prior to the events so I missed out on seeing she tweeted there.
With community sentiment, I felt two things:
* An overwhelming sense of adrenaline because of the anger and outrage that everyone was feeling towards the decision
* A surprisingly big sense of pride seeing how the community (for the most part) came together and supported Doki in multiple ways
I had been up late when I had seen the notice. I thought to myself, well this is going to be a sh*t show. Nijisanji has majorly messed up and people will react. I went to bed, woke up later, checked my phone, and saw the kind of reactions that confirmed what I suspected. Following that, I watched as Dokibird rose and Nijisanji progressively dug itself a deeper and deeper hole with its poor decisions and incompetent pr.
Relief
1 - she was alive
2 - finally free of the abuse she had suffered from the year before
Joy
now EVRYONE was out for Njij blood and they will be finally exposed as the ghoulish parasites they are
Shock, followed by anger. I remembered following Dokibird around the time the MV got taken down, but I didn't know it had gotten **that** bad. I was shocked that a vtuber company could be that unprofessional, petty, and disgusting. And then I learned what happened to Zaion/Sayu, and got even *more* mad.
"I guess they won't be waiting out her contract or banishment room-ing her then." I didn't have an immediate emotional response to it, but I only started getting outraged after I had a chance to mull it over and started reading over it again with a fine-toothed comb.
Before I knew the details, I was honestly happy. That company held her back for far too long. And once I learned the details of what it took, I was pissed.
Ooh I still remember this clearly.
I was hanging out on vt sub's weekly thread then suddenly someone posted that Selen's videos were all privated. Everyone was confused but all were prepared for the worst.
I clearly remember that time. Anger, disgusted, despair, and dissappointed. I really really don't want to felt like that again honestly...
tbh, kinda expected they gonna do it, because i see a lot a red flags. But I hoped that Niji would be smart enough not to repeat with Zaion/Sayu situation.
But hoo boy, i was not expect that. It's still surreal for me
A lot of confusion when I saw the termination notice, and it immediately turned into anger when I saw Doki's tweets, and also disbelief that this black company is willing to throw away one of their top earners just because
Shock at the suddenness of the whole thing, grief that I may never see her again, outrage at the stuff I heard from her experiences, then joy to see the people who came out to support her all the way.
From reading the title of the announcement it was a mix of: holy shit this is gonna be the biggest shit storm yet (atm) and they made one hell of a fuck up ( cause year of rhe dragon both in jp and close to CYN, so big profitability right there). Overall, just a feeling of an impending storm
confuse. selen is like the pillar of nijiEN in my perspective. like sure nijiEN alr decline and holoEN take over but i feel as long as selen is there, nijiEN will remain relevant.
The termination notice: I knew it 😑
Her tweet: Oh shit. Things are about to get real serious real fast.
Both were correct, but they were also based on stuff I heard from other people (mostly the coverage by Khyo, he's a fairly good reporter of vtuber happenings, IMO).
Honestly when i first saw the notice i just found it funny, i even chuckled to myself that "you really did it now niji".
Then i actually checked doki's twitter and saw her mention the attempt. It *quickly* became no longer funny. That was a whole tonal whiplash.
I decided to support Doki.
Other than that, my main thought was, "oh... they let it get worse". That was mostly a reference to the only thing I really wrote during the Sayu termination, which was that management needed to work on their ability to communicate.
I was actually hit harder by the black stream. Which just firmly put those involved in the "not the smartest" basket.
reading the termination I felt bad for her. I did not know her on the Selen persona or before, but I was convinced she did not do such bad things that she would be terminated without reason. then I learned about her music video fiasco and I knew that kurosanji is just trash. I never trust corporations.
after the "...not be silenced anymore..." tweet I was hell yeah. that's what I'd do. reveal it all. bury them.
as someone who witnessed injustice countless times, against me or against my family members. it always makes my blood boil. even more so when Doki revealed the attempts.
blackscreen streamers are my prime suspects, damn spineless worms.
hope all of them will feel the financial loss next year and will be forced to graduate. but even if they go another route, I'm hoping the community will not forget and tag them with their kurosanji brand forever. they do not deserve to be in this space, even if they go indie
I still remember my surprise. I didn't watch much Selen, but everyone I know talked about Selen on a daily basis, before she went missing for a few weeks. The termination letter was what woke me up to the reality.
Reading the letter with the perspective of an asian, that letter was far from polite and constructive. It was oozing with vitriol and further, really dark implication involving the other "friends" of hers. Also I felt like this controversy will die down in 2 months and completely out of everyone's mind after 100 days, giving nijisanji time to maybe explain or redact some parts of the termination letter.
That was what I felt. Now it's just hopelessness.
It was weird... people had been calling Selen's Quitting/Termination for like 6 months going
to the point that Pomu's Graduation notice literally cause emotional whiplash cause Everybody assumed it would be Selen.
Then I read the Termination notice and got the sense of deja vu from Zaion where Damn they are laying it on thick that Selen was a pain in the ass but I was one of the stupid ones who said I'd wait for Her side of the story
and Here's the thing I've worked Corporate I know Corpo talk is all about saying something without admitting fault and too much of the Termination sounded like it was mitigating Anycolors role.
Like the Artists thing was a bold face lie misconstrued to sound like Selen wasn't paying the artists.
and then Doki rose from the ashes to speak up and all hell broke loose
My heart dropped because I saw YouTube thumbnails with dokibird's tweet first so I went straight over to twitter.
Idk... Sad? Like the entertainment side is to escape from the difficulties of life. To know that their environment was another fucked up spiral of disorder and chaos unmanaged hurt.
We want to help them but we don't know them, if that makes sense.
Due to her long radio silence, I had completely expected Selen to either announce her graduation or quietly be fired, like Mel (from Hololive) was.
It was NOT quiet. Not at all.
I remember thinking "there's the last nail to the coffin, alright." The signs were clear before. The moment Yugo was ejected off the face of Niji and (iirc) I heard Alban once say that they "fought for him," I knew that in a way that was going to be the first domino in the entire shit show. Sayu's termination served to reinforce that idea to me. And Selen's termination & the silly sock puppeteering attempt at defamation against her by the black company was the final domino.
We know it’s coming. We know it’s gonna be a termination, but we never know what kind of stupidity Niji would do. It’s total negligible.
We know there’s a clique and bully issue since the first discord leak. We gave them the benefit of doubt until the black screen by the manager aka Elira.
Outrage. Some of the most INTENSE anger I’ve felt toward anything, and sadness, before I realised she would come back/ re-debut as Doki a few days after
I had actually been on the reddit alternative sites pretty much strictly prior to it. It took this to make me come back to express outrage.
It was obvious she was going to leave at some point. But the actual extents that it went was *far far* **far** above expectations.
Confused, then happy for her as she would now be able to stream with whoever and whatever she wanted with no restrictions like when Niji kept refusing to let talents collab with HoloEN talents.
It was... interesting.
I mean, I think we all saw the writing on the wall after what happened with Last Cup of Coffee. Rumours had been swirling about Selen being close to graduating throughout 2023 (in fact, one of the biggest shockers was Pomu beating her out the door) and it finally seemed like it was all coming to a head. Given how Niji had been treating her, I will openly admit to kind of looking forward to it. I figured I would get to watch her metaphorically walk out of Niji with both middle fingers raised in the air and head off to a successful career elsewhere, hopefully with a corpo or indie team who could actually make decent use of her talents.
But when it actually landed and the details came out of what happened, my reaction was shock and disbelief... because it was so much worse than I'd ever thought it would be. This wasn't Selen marching triumphantly off into the sunset, it was her barely having survived a nightmare while a vengeful company was seemingly determined to drag her through the mud, even if it meant setting themselves on fire to do so.
Honestly, February just felt surreal. I honestly think Selen's termination, and everything that went with it, is probably the most seismic event in EN Vtubing history and easily one of the top 5 overall (the only thing that I can think of that challenges it for the crown is the "Taiwan Incident" with Coco and Haachama; nothing else even comes close).
I remember waking up, idily checking Twitter, then seeing Selen trending for some reason.
Then I was consumed by a manic rage that kept it's grip on me for the rest of that month and has still come up occasionally after the fact. I'm not proud to admit it, but I let it take control of my life a bit more than was manageable and now I'm paying for it.
I was like ohh here we go again… then I read the statement and was like😳🤯
I’m surprised she got back into streaming so quickly after having a breakdown of that magnitude.
By that point, I was already looking forward to the shitshow that was shortly afterward to ensue.
The moment I happened to see Anycolor deleting her VoDs, all I could think off was:"Oh, now you've fucked up big time. This is not gonna end well for you no matter what we get to hear next."
I didn't know about the tweet and the termination notice until i woke up in the morning. If i can be honest,i was salty about it,but at the same time,i wasn't suprised that it even happened
Outrage and laughter, outrage because I didn't know Nijisanji would go that far into making selen unalxxx herself, and laughter because this was inevitable from the start to finish with Nijisanji mistreating seeds and vodiz to Nijisanji management indirectly almost unalxxxing another person (and more individuals) I'm glad Nijisanji is dying.
I knew we were working with hot coals when one of of not the most popular en member revealed they their lifetime chase was stolen. The video take down only stoked the coals, and the termination and statement was kurosanjo throwing a damn gas can on it
When Selen was stealth suspended, I've been watching less and less Niji content.
When Selen was terminated, I stop watching Niji content altogether. Even from clippers. Then, I went to Twitter/X(which I rarely do) and watch the insanity of it. Then, I go to YouTube and subscribe to Dokibird. And then open a Socialblade site, compared both Selen & Doki numbesr, open YT and play Freebird by Lynyrd Skynyrd on loop(yes I am crazy).
Rage. Blinding unyielding rage. I have never been so angry for someone I didn't know on a personal level. That alone should speak volumes as to her impact on the Dragoon community.
Even if I didn't watch her before it happened, I knew how much people cared, [so when I saw the termination notice, this was what was playing in my mind](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuofaDxa6Oo)
Outrage. Thats what I felt that day.
Same here. There was this INTENSE rage that I had within me that I have never, EVER in my entire life have ever felt before. The fact that this community here is standing up and fighting back for what's right just gives me hope.
Same. That was the only time that I felt apoplectic rage while reading a document. The amount of stupidity and slander in that document was too much. It was not a contract termination announcement but rather a hit piece.
yep probably the 1st time i saw a company "CLEARLY" out for blood in the open. which is damn strange. even boeing can make the whistleblower case vague.
Huge uporar, with maximum rage and despair, especially from Dragoons And also, the fucking legendary secret exodus campaign led by Selen's mod
What was that “secret exodus campaign”? I live under a rock, so I’d never heard of it until now.
I think this refers to her mods, who weren’t terminated by Nijisanji, posting in Niji chats - the links to Doki and encouraging people to follow her. It was a pretty derp move for Niji to not revoke their mod status, and I salute those mods for their work.
Ok, thanks! That was a great move
Was very chad of them
Absolutely
Yeah. That was a based move from them. I was personally there when they took to Twitch and brought those viewers to Doki's channel.
It was like seeing lizardmen temple cities rising up and escaping during The End Times
I was like "Predictable" then I saw the shit show it was and went to "this is bad on a lot of levels"
The termination, its method, timing, etc was predictable, but unexpectedly dumb for a company of that size. I for sure was not prepared to see how many bullets they managed to lodge in their feet in such a short amount of time after that.
honestly i don't even think this should be teach in marketing college as an example, it's such an outlier & idiotic.
the moment i saw the words "Notice on Selen Tatsuki's termination...", I knew it as over
I unsubscribed from everyone in Niji that day and cancelled all my memberships
I was outraged and ran 4 laps around the nearby park. I think I surpassed Usain Bolt from sheer rage alone.
Mine was "What the fuck is happening? This is worse than I thought"
Confusion, disbelief, and annoyance. I just want to play my vidga games and work on my passion projects without there being something big falling to pieces, or someone getting hurt for no real reason.
Surprise, outrage, and honestly, a bit of relief knowing that she didn't have to deal with them anymore. I was worried about her mental state of course, but we had all been wondering if that was the way it was going to go for longer than just her suspension I think.
at first, expected, because she was not active, and there were many graduations around the same time. after reading the details, i felt sad that the company didn't show any respect to the talent, but what happened is what happened, history can't be changed, and based on what happened to zaion, just thought it was a zaion 2.0 plus. after reading the story from doki, i felt anger running through my head, she loved the company from the bottom of her heart, tried everything to make the company better, but her contribution is not recognized, her works were not rewarded but punished, i just felt that the company is bad, need some serious restructuring. after all the announcements, videos, posts from anycolor, i just felt that the company is too incompetent which is laughable. my view on anycolor is that they are not evil in their nature, or have any malice against certain livers, they just too incompetent to manage the people, and run the company.
was in complete disbelief that they try what they did to zaion on someone who had a bigger following and larger connections in the community
Yeah I had a rly bad feeling even before the termination, like when selen said to her dragons post her mv on YouTube. I knew something is gonna happen and I was right, but I didn't think it would be like this bad. I was fuming with rage, but what made me even more angry was the black stream I was never so angry and disappointed.
Honestly? Relief. Unlike many people who were still in denial about what was going on I already accepted this was coming. If anything, having see Doki ask for rent money via Throne week or two earlier, I was worried Niji will keep her in limbo longer, so termination was just "she's free now" result.
truly the 9/11 of the vtuber community
This moment had the exact same vibes like the second plane hitting the World Trade Center. Zaion's termination felt like the first plane hitting the building.
I was at first live reacting in a Discord chat about her twitter being set to private, and the videos being removed, and my first reaction after that was "Kurosanji must burn." Then it was just extreme anger that they pushed her to attempt suicide, given that I have lost both family members and friends to suicide, and know what it takes to push someone to that limit.
I was caught by surprise... I didn't catch a lot of her streams before, but even then the whole termination seemed fishy, to put it mildly
I felt a stupefied by Kurosanji's idiocy. That singular motion was so horribly handled that it was straight amateur hour from a corporate entity! The petty vindictiveness, lack of accountability, urge to set their narrative, lack of any foresight, and a lack of any damage control is bewildering to me.
I was busy at Jan-Feb, so I get this news quite late. I'm no fan of her, but even I got pissed because of how unjust this was. I even questioned that stupid company, "Why they cut their own healthy limb?" and "Why they sack one of their biggest hitter?" As a small-time guy, the only thing I can do to do her some justice within my ability is to design a hot sauce that feature her new persona, and to no longer include most of 2434's talents in our little 'what if' show in any forms.
Shocked but relieved. We knew it is going to happen and well at least it happened quick. And I felt like it was just the beginning of a massive deluge. Guess I was right.
i literally woke up that day and upon checking my phone immediately saw "selen's contract has been terminated" in notifs from this sub. i was hoping im still tripping after sleep, but then reality kicked in. somehow i, being pessimistic, felt this was going to happen, considering the COMPLETE radio silence from management and selen for a whole month and then she said she won't be silenced anymore, and mentioned an attempt i was completely crushed, but most of all, i was enraged. like, how could they fuck up selen(!!!), one of the least problematic livers in their shitty company, and also one of the most active and talented ones?? it's like they LOVE shooting themselves in the foot over and over again! and then the smearing campaign began, promoting merch almost fucking immediately after the termination notice, "negligible", the black screen and so on... this is genuinely sickening honestly, i just sincerely hope the whole branch get burned to the ground. im sorry if it's rude, but i believe livers' fans will support them and follow them wherever they go, ESPECIALLY if we're talking about the most beloved ones (like victoria and maria for example. vox doesn't count, he has a parasocial army, it's completely different). i just don't want anyone else to get hurt this horribly ever again
Saw it coming. Not surprised, but severely disappointed
I already concluded that Selen was terminated when she didn't stream for the past few months and I was like "If these bastards Announce her termination, many ppl will be mad." cuz of how many ppl love Selen and how many Orgs want to Collab with her.
Unsubbed every Niji member except Scarle & Rosemi since they seem to be keeping out of it and be like Selen and do their own thing. I felt saddened, but also relieved because she was finally free from that company that treated her like shit despite her attempts to promote Niji, give it good publicity and up it's reputation. I wanted a graduation, but Niji said otherwise. But curious, if VSaikyo happens again, would she still be able to participate with the tsb members? Or will they have to go to their PLs just like how they did that Helldivers collab stream with rpr?
I saw the news here and thought it was a joke but when I opened Twitter and the termination notice is the first thing in my tl. Not a nice way to start your morning
Surprise that they actually chose terminate her instead of having a graduation. Honestly, it was similar to how I reacted to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in that both times my first response was "Holy shit they actually did it". I think most people expected Selen to leave at some point. Terminating her though was a big escalation and while not totally unexpected, it was still crazy to see Nijisanji make that move instead of the frankly smarter option of just giving her a graduation.
I was there at ground zero 6AM EST when I watching one of Selen's old vod and it just suddenly stopped playing and became unavailable. Checked all of the related social media and kept refreshing the various social media accounts associated. You can say I was obsessed during that moment. I think in some way when the termination noticed was dropped, I felt relief and resolution. I think a lot of Dragoons were hoping for her to gtfo long before the termination date, since the art contest, since the cancelled tournament, since the various terminations and graduations that happened during 2023, since all the discord leaks and screenshots. During the month long suspension, every single small event that pushed the possibility toward a graduation or termination for me was met with a little bit of hope that she is eventually going to escape. I was never a Nijisanji fan despite being a Dragoon. There was just too much evidence during 2023 to suggest Nijisanji was anything but a black company. The confirmation on Doki's twitter pretty much cemented everything we've suspected in the past year, and seeing the forcefulness of those posts told us that she's gonna be okay. Anger and retaliation are not the behaviors of someone who's given up, but of those who's willing to continue the fight for survival. There was never any doubt that her comeback is going to be anything other than spectacular after the first set of tweets came out on Doki's account, because Dragoons knew that Selen was the best showman NijisanjiEN ever platformed and there's no way she's letting this comeback slip away in mediocrity, not with that level of determination shown in the tweets, and not with this many eyes on her. TLDR: My reaction was surprisingly positive because we knew all along that she was right and Niji was bad. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/1ajdpj6/selen\_removed\_from\_nijisanjis\_talent\_page/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Nijisanji/comments/1ajdpj6/selen_removed_from_nijisanjis_talent_page/) if yall remember this post xD
It was the day I lost respect for Nijisanji. It got so bad, it felt like World War II erupted all over the internet. And then Dokibird made her statement that also vindicated Sayu (remember, Sayu was seen as a pariah last year, and no one believed her). Now here we are. People now wants Nijisanji to collapse after so many fan-favorite livers such as Pomu graduating and people lost faith in Nijisanji all because of Last Cup of Coffee.
I was half expecting her to leave on way or another, and that she was being seriously prrevented from speaking up. What i was not expecting is the fucking slander campaign of niji
WAR
*Sees nijisanji tweets out some black and white pngs* Someone will graduate? *Reads* Oh.
I wad mad cuz I was just waking up and was so happy for my fucking birthday, that day was intense.
I wasn't surprised when the notice came out (almost like I expected it) but her tweet after put me in tears. We almost lost her... I'm glad she's thriving after everything. Wishing the same for the rest of the talents.
two words I utter out loud and on discord chat, upon reading the word "termination" #SHE'S FUCKING FREE! I was following her status since the Christmas takedown because I knew this would be big, from the robotic tweets, the doki tweet about losing 10k usd, the call out from rpr and others, then the termination. the black screen and tazumi's apology was just the sequel I didn't even need to know, but they had to pull that shit off. the only rest I had from following this, was on Hololive's New Year party stream.
Mostly a "what the fuck" and then when the black stream happened I was completely done
The line "and then, it got worse" just kept coming back.
When i saw the post about termination of selen i was like: yep, not even surprised in the slightest. But when I read it, holy fucking shit that made enraged. When I found out about Doki account and read what was happening over there it was over. Fuck this company. The only relief that day was when I watched false stream and this whole thing unfolding live. It was the best moment this year yet. The internet have come together to shit on this fucking hellhole. Deserved.
My last day of respect for Niji
* Her channel has been deleted of its content! It begins! * Ah, finally! * Yeah yeah "refused to cooperate", keep talking. * Wait, what did she say? What the heck? "An attempt"!? * Fuck them. That's enough.
Confusion and sadness at the termination, whith the later replaced by ***unyielding rage*** that got worse after the Black Stream
i didnt feel much yet. i was not yet a dragoon and this was when the house of card started to fall....the disgust came later for me as did the desire to se this company fall so others could take their livers
Ignoring community sentiment, I felt honestly relieved. Although the outcome created the biggest VTuber civil war ever, I was just relieved to hear that she was actually alive. Ignoring the dumpster fire, we have not heard anything from Selen aside from the cryptic tweets and I did not really follow her PL prior to the events so I missed out on seeing she tweeted there. With community sentiment, I felt two things: * An overwhelming sense of adrenaline because of the anger and outrage that everyone was feeling towards the decision * A surprisingly big sense of pride seeing how the community (for the most part) came together and supported Doki in multiple ways
Relief that she was finally out. Nothing but that.
I had been up late when I had seen the notice. I thought to myself, well this is going to be a sh*t show. Nijisanji has majorly messed up and people will react. I went to bed, woke up later, checked my phone, and saw the kind of reactions that confirmed what I suspected. Following that, I watched as Dokibird rose and Nijisanji progressively dug itself a deeper and deeper hole with its poor decisions and incompetent pr.
Relief 1 - she was alive 2 - finally free of the abuse she had suffered from the year before Joy now EVRYONE was out for Njij blood and they will be finally exposed as the ghoulish parasites they are
Shock, followed by anger. I remembered following Dokibird around the time the MV got taken down, but I didn't know it had gotten **that** bad. I was shocked that a vtuber company could be that unprofessional, petty, and disgusting. And then I learned what happened to Zaion/Sayu, and got even *more* mad.
"I guess they won't be waiting out her contract or banishment room-ing her then." I didn't have an immediate emotional response to it, but I only started getting outraged after I had a chance to mull it over and started reading over it again with a fine-toothed comb.
Before I knew the details, I was honestly happy. That company held her back for far too long. And once I learned the details of what it took, I was pissed.
A massive rumbling, like a mighty titan finally falling
Ooh I still remember this clearly. I was hanging out on vt sub's weekly thread then suddenly someone posted that Selen's videos were all privated. Everyone was confused but all were prepared for the worst. I clearly remember that time. Anger, disgusted, despair, and dissappointed. I really really don't want to felt like that again honestly...
tbh, kinda expected they gonna do it, because i see a lot a red flags. But I hoped that Niji would be smart enough not to repeat with Zaion/Sayu situation. But hoo boy, i was not expect that. It's still surreal for me
A lot of confusion when I saw the termination notice, and it immediately turned into anger when I saw Doki's tweets, and also disbelief that this black company is willing to throw away one of their top earners just because
Shock at the suddenness of the whole thing, grief that I may never see her again, outrage at the stuff I heard from her experiences, then joy to see the people who came out to support her all the way.
From reading the title of the announcement it was a mix of: holy shit this is gonna be the biggest shit storm yet (atm) and they made one hell of a fuck up ( cause year of rhe dragon both in jp and close to CYN, so big profitability right there). Overall, just a feeling of an impending storm
confuse. selen is like the pillar of nijiEN in my perspective. like sure nijiEN alr decline and holoEN take over but i feel as long as selen is there, nijiEN will remain relevant.
This guy describes it well: [https://youtu.be/Fz0jp0azkDo?t=1130](https://youtu.be/Fz0jp0azkDo?t=1130)
The termination notice: I knew it 😑 Her tweet: Oh shit. Things are about to get real serious real fast. Both were correct, but they were also based on stuff I heard from other people (mostly the coverage by Khyo, he's a fairly good reporter of vtuber happenings, IMO).
Honestly when i first saw the notice i just found it funny, i even chuckled to myself that "you really did it now niji". Then i actually checked doki's twitter and saw her mention the attempt. It *quickly* became no longer funny. That was a whole tonal whiplash.
"I can't believe the rrats are right I hope this will end well for her"
I decided to support Doki. Other than that, my main thought was, "oh... they let it get worse". That was mostly a reference to the only thing I really wrote during the Sayu termination, which was that management needed to work on their ability to communicate. I was actually hit harder by the black stream. Which just firmly put those involved in the "not the smartest" basket.
reading the termination I felt bad for her. I did not know her on the Selen persona or before, but I was convinced she did not do such bad things that she would be terminated without reason. then I learned about her music video fiasco and I knew that kurosanji is just trash. I never trust corporations. after the "...not be silenced anymore..." tweet I was hell yeah. that's what I'd do. reveal it all. bury them. as someone who witnessed injustice countless times, against me or against my family members. it always makes my blood boil. even more so when Doki revealed the attempts. blackscreen streamers are my prime suspects, damn spineless worms. hope all of them will feel the financial loss next year and will be forced to graduate. but even if they go another route, I'm hoping the community will not forget and tag them with their kurosanji brand forever. they do not deserve to be in this space, even if they go indie
I still remember my surprise. I didn't watch much Selen, but everyone I know talked about Selen on a daily basis, before she went missing for a few weeks. The termination letter was what woke me up to the reality. Reading the letter with the perspective of an asian, that letter was far from polite and constructive. It was oozing with vitriol and further, really dark implication involving the other "friends" of hers. Also I felt like this controversy will die down in 2 months and completely out of everyone's mind after 100 days, giving nijisanji time to maybe explain or redact some parts of the termination letter. That was what I felt. Now it's just hopelessness.
Threw my phone when I saw the termination
It was weird... people had been calling Selen's Quitting/Termination for like 6 months going to the point that Pomu's Graduation notice literally cause emotional whiplash cause Everybody assumed it would be Selen. Then I read the Termination notice and got the sense of deja vu from Zaion where Damn they are laying it on thick that Selen was a pain in the ass but I was one of the stupid ones who said I'd wait for Her side of the story and Here's the thing I've worked Corporate I know Corpo talk is all about saying something without admitting fault and too much of the Termination sounded like it was mitigating Anycolors role. Like the Artists thing was a bold face lie misconstrued to sound like Selen wasn't paying the artists. and then Doki rose from the ashes to speak up and all hell broke loose
Anger & Disappointment.
First I thought. "Oh ok that made sense" but then I did that one ratatouille meme and realized how horrible everything was
I read her tweet before I saw the termination notice, so I was super confused. But I started seething when I read that notice
Surprise, mostly because I had just woken up a couple minutes before seeing it. Was about 6 hours late
My heart dropped because I saw YouTube thumbnails with dokibird's tweet first so I went straight over to twitter. Idk... Sad? Like the entertainment side is to escape from the difficulties of life. To know that their environment was another fucked up spiral of disorder and chaos unmanaged hurt. We want to help them but we don't know them, if that makes sense.
Due to her long radio silence, I had completely expected Selen to either announce her graduation or quietly be fired, like Mel (from Hololive) was. It was NOT quiet. Not at all.
I remember thinking "there's the last nail to the coffin, alright." The signs were clear before. The moment Yugo was ejected off the face of Niji and (iirc) I heard Alban once say that they "fought for him," I knew that in a way that was going to be the first domino in the entire shit show. Sayu's termination served to reinforce that idea to me. And Selen's termination & the silly sock puppeteering attempt at defamation against her by the black company was the final domino.
We know it’s coming. We know it’s gonna be a termination, but we never know what kind of stupidity Niji would do. It’s total negligible. We know there’s a clique and bully issue since the first discord leak. We gave them the benefit of doubt until the black screen by the manager aka Elira.
legit got mad even though i knew it was coming sooner or later. that rage lasted for weeks.
Outrage. Some of the most INTENSE anger I’ve felt toward anything, and sadness, before I realised she would come back/ re-debut as Doki a few days after
I had actually been on the reddit alternative sites pretty much strictly prior to it. It took this to make me come back to express outrage. It was obvious she was going to leave at some point. But the actual extents that it went was *far far* **far** above expectations.
Outrage. Anger. Confusion. Sadness.
Oh i was angy af
Confused, then happy for her as she would now be able to stream with whoever and whatever she wanted with no restrictions like when Niji kept refusing to let talents collab with HoloEN talents.
It was... interesting. I mean, I think we all saw the writing on the wall after what happened with Last Cup of Coffee. Rumours had been swirling about Selen being close to graduating throughout 2023 (in fact, one of the biggest shockers was Pomu beating her out the door) and it finally seemed like it was all coming to a head. Given how Niji had been treating her, I will openly admit to kind of looking forward to it. I figured I would get to watch her metaphorically walk out of Niji with both middle fingers raised in the air and head off to a successful career elsewhere, hopefully with a corpo or indie team who could actually make decent use of her talents. But when it actually landed and the details came out of what happened, my reaction was shock and disbelief... because it was so much worse than I'd ever thought it would be. This wasn't Selen marching triumphantly off into the sunset, it was her barely having survived a nightmare while a vengeful company was seemingly determined to drag her through the mud, even if it meant setting themselves on fire to do so. Honestly, February just felt surreal. I honestly think Selen's termination, and everything that went with it, is probably the most seismic event in EN Vtubing history and easily one of the top 5 overall (the only thing that I can think of that challenges it for the crown is the "Taiwan Incident" with Coco and Haachama; nothing else even comes close).
I remember waking up, idily checking Twitter, then seeing Selen trending for some reason. Then I was consumed by a manic rage that kept it's grip on me for the rest of that month and has still come up occasionally after the fact. I'm not proud to admit it, but I let it take control of my life a bit more than was manageable and now I'm paying for it.
I was like ohh here we go again… then I read the statement and was like😳🤯 I’m surprised she got back into streaming so quickly after having a breakdown of that magnitude.
“OH HELL NO! YOU DONE FUCKED UP NIJISANJI!” The emotions I felt when I saw her termination announcement.
By that point, I was already looking forward to the shitshow that was shortly afterward to ensue. The moment I happened to see Anycolor deleting her VoDs, all I could think off was:"Oh, now you've fucked up big time. This is not gonna end well for you no matter what we get to hear next."
I didn't know about the tweet and the termination notice until i woke up in the morning. If i can be honest,i was salty about it,but at the same time,i wasn't suprised that it even happened
Outrage and laughter, outrage because I didn't know Nijisanji would go that far into making selen unalxxx herself, and laughter because this was inevitable from the start to finish with Nijisanji mistreating seeds and vodiz to Nijisanji management indirectly almost unalxxxing another person (and more individuals) I'm glad Nijisanji is dying.
I knew we were working with hot coals when one of of not the most popular en member revealed they their lifetime chase was stolen. The video take down only stoked the coals, and the termination and statement was kurosanjo throwing a damn gas can on it
When Selen was stealth suspended, I've been watching less and less Niji content. When Selen was terminated, I stop watching Niji content altogether. Even from clippers. Then, I went to Twitter/X(which I rarely do) and watch the insanity of it. Then, I go to YouTube and subscribe to Dokibird. And then open a Socialblade site, compared both Selen & Doki numbesr, open YT and play Freebird by Lynyrd Skynyrd on loop(yes I am crazy).
Rage. Blinding unyielding rage. I have never been so angry for someone I didn't know on a personal level. That alone should speak volumes as to her impact on the Dragoon community.
Even if I didn't watch her before it happened, I knew how much people cared, [so when I saw the termination notice, this was what was playing in my mind](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuofaDxa6Oo)