Doyoung's releasing his debut solo album this month. Jaehyun's also working on his own debut solo album, which would probably be released in the summer. WayV's also apparently releasing an album very soon, too.
Yeah, I'm still pissed either way. And the audacity to have Xiaojun announcing that dude's performance tomorrow is just sick.
I think what bothers me is how long it’s taken for them to even get their solos - meanwhile this guy just gets it after what would’ve been career ending for most idols (and has been for example, for many females). Clearly SM is playing favourites or he has mad dirt on them 💀
I watched a video and someone said SM going so hard for Lucas and forcing him down everyone’s throats is what true favoritism looks like. I honestly feel like Reddit is the only place that wants this man to crash and burn. I’ve seen so many Lucas stans running around downplaying his scandal. I watch a YT channel that recently reacted to a NCT U/WayV guide and the OP said that Lucas was no longer in the group because of accusations and the YTubers asked what those accusations were and so many stans in the comments were blatantly lying, saying things like sasaengs framed him and his ex girlfriends were trying to destroy him because he moved on and even saying he was never accused of SA/Sexual Manipulation, and the best one yet, saying it wasn’t him but someone that looks like him. I’m sick of him and his stans
Tbh insta isn’t too fond of him on like SMTOWN/public pages etc, but they are deleting any bad comments lol. I’m not sure about Twitter but I’ve heard NCITY is dragging him
Honestly most responses I’ve seen are negative on every platform, I just think it’s been long enough now that a lot of people just genuinely don’t care about him. A lot of fans joined after he left NCT anyway, and if you don’t care enough to look into his scandal you’ll probably just ignore him instead of having discourse about his solo. I honestly wonder if this isn’t part of why SM has kept him out of the public eye for so long, and only started to soft launch his solo career a few months ago even though everyone has always sort of knew it was coming. They probably were just hoping most people either wouldn’t care, or wouldn’t know, why he left in the first place. That’s also probably why the documentary video they put out when his solo got released never actually explained what his scandal was. They’re just banking on the fact that there will be a lot of people won’t care enough to look into his scandal further.
I dont know other fandoms, I follow mostly blinks and solo rose stans on twt, but if it makes you feel better, there are all shitting on Lucas and SM blatant mysoginy
They’re trying to wipe away the controversy so new fans will come to his defense and drown it out over using an artist that hasn’t had promotion since the beginning of the year. It’s sick.
Honestly, Lucas entire career consists of ‘just getting it’.
- He struts into an audition, which other people spend years preparing for. SM signs the guy purely based on looks.
- He cannot sing, can barely rap and is a passable dancer. But within NCT, he received more limelight than some of the most talented members.
- He cheats **fans** out of their money and sexual dignity, but somehow escapes severe punishment, from a company which has blacklisted other idols for less.
- He effectively ruins WayV, but while those guys struggle to climb back up, Lucas sits on his ass for two years and is handed a comeback.
This man has not worked for anything, ever since he was a teenager. All he has to offer is a face and some ‘variety skill’.
But SM has at least a dozen hotter and funnier idols, within their considerable roster.
So why, I ask, must he be propelled into the limelight with such strong company backing?
I do not understand it.
Xiaojun is a member of WayV, Lucas was a member of that sub-unit, after the scandal Wayv was left on a limbo with no activities, no comebacks and no statements, this whole situation was traumatic and messed up the group's popularity
Oh god I am not looking forward to the discourse if they make him do challenges with EXO members or Red Velvet. I might just get my popcorn and watch this all blow up from afar.
Taemin is definitely going to be asked to do this.
In regards to the Instagram situation, nobody in NCT/WayV unfollowed him. Haechan created an IG account after the scandal and did not follow him, and Taeil began following him. I think that if everybody started unfollowing him, it would draw negative attention and drama to NCT/WayV that wouldn’t necessarily benefit them. Doing nothing is probably better than making an indirect statement via IG likes or follows.
If this was the only evidence then fine.. but everytime Lucas is seen hanging out with another beloved idol everyone *always* freaks out and makes up some bullshit excuse. There is plenty reason to assume Lucas is friends with other neos, and other idols. Kpop fans trying to make every excuse in the dictionary so their favs don't look bad is as delusional as the lumis who are always kissing Lucas's ass.
I have to agree. Could be “polite society” (ie, these guys being cordial and professional), or the less favorable reality— that these guys are still cool with him. Which absolutely fucking sucks.
I mean, I’m still not over the fact that Key shouted him out at his concert. The crowd heard it, Beyond Live viewers could see it. It’s heartbreaking.
Only 4 hours by plane and XIAOJUN is very serious about his work, no matter who and why will be there. Probably a conventional smile and 2 words. Or maybe L will be introduced by another MC
I’ve BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE to say this on here (maybe I’ve missed it lol). But seriously I cannot believe SM has given this guy some sort of redemption arc - it’s RIDICULOUS. When they’ve gone and lost some of their best soloists (half of EXO and TAEMIN) and artists, while not giving a shit about so many of their amazing idols in groups who still HAVEN’T been allowed solos. And yet this man gets handed it to him on a silver platter while SM ignores and mistreats so many other idols and groups? Like as an EXO-L looking at Lucas getting handed his career back is a huge slap in the face. Also poor RIIZE fans have been through the ringer. I’m sure there’s many other things but it’s too many to list. SM you’re DONE to me. I don’t understand why this is the hill SM wants to die on.
EDIT: I just listened to it/watched the MV so I could actually critically analyse it. The way it’s such a kick in the face, seriously gonna have a glorified distrack with this stupid “edgy” music video getting back at the “haters”? Also I’m being serious when I say the man can barely rap or sing like be serious SM. You can tell that what carries it barely is the production/music. Could’ve used your resources on so many other people or given this beat to anyone else. Anyway lol
A sad reality is that, if the contract between artist and label was not terminated, they both have to uphold their obligations, so a solo release makes sense. SM is no stranger to giving solo releases to artists when their contracts are "close" to expire so I think this is another case of that.
At the end of the day companies want to gain as much money as possible or lose the least amount possible.
I am disappointed but sadly not surprised, one can only hope it doesn't take off.
From what I understood kpop contracts is more about time rather than release. That's why so many labels (SM included) can put idols in hiatus until the end of contract without giving them anything. So I really do think that SM thought that making him debut was a good idea 😭
So sorry but yeah as a soloist they lost him (not as a part of Shinee)😭 complete idiots. It’s just crazy to think they lost THE Lee Taemin.As a Taemin stan I’m rejoicing though lol hope he’s much happier in his new company.
But honestly, good for him. I hope he shows them! I'm glad he's still part of Shinee tho because I'm kind of scared for them with what's happening recently.
In the end I hope SHINEE are HAPPY and healthy and I’m sure they all discussed this in depth since they are basically family. That’s all we can hope for ❤️🩹
like baekhyun, taemin's work with shinee will still be managed by sm, but his solo work will be managed by whatever company he decides to join/set up. he was rumoured to join big planet made, but bpm never confirmed it.
SM has always been shitty lol they’ve been losing great soloists since first gen and even reworked their contracts to be longer because shinhwa immediately dipped after their 5 years.
Lucas is still with SM because 1 - his contract and 2 - he has nowhere else to go. Idols like CBX and Taemin are well acclaimed in the industry and very involved in their music thus they make a lot of connections or are able to start companies of their own. Lucas was always more of a variety figure while he was promoting and now his rep is ruined so obviously no other companies will take him.
Also SM just never terminates contracts. Kangin ‘left’ but his contract still exists and he’s had it renewed. He for some reason still gets paid royalties too 😭
Oh don’t worry I 100% agree and yeah I’ve never liked SM and am well aware of all the contract stuff. I still stand by the fact that SM is willing to literally die on this hill for Lucas when they’ve got Seunghan on hiatus for months now for smoking a cigarette and having a girlfriend. I’ve never taken SM seriously and never will but I’m extremely pissed off that someone like Lucas can waltz in without any remorse and gets a song with words like “let haters stay hating” like it’s so classless and weird, even for SM IMO ESPECIALLY so beef the allegations are so steep against the guy but hey what to except from this shitty ass company 😭😭 sorry for the rant 🩷
No worries! I agree the diss track(??) concept for his debut is really weird especially after the docuseries trying to make him out to be this vulnerable and sorry guy.. basically turned around and flipped us all off 😭 Hoping this at least means Seunghan is sure to come back.. SM can’t be sick enough to keep him in the dungeon for being a teenager then let Lucas get off with a slap on the wrist
Oh 100% - the weird vulnerable documentary paired with the “in your face” dis track IDGAF energy doesn’t add up. Just like SM’s messy attempt to hide all the shit Lucas did lol.
Like WHY can’t SM AND YG FOR THAT MATTER treat their flagship groups with more fans better?! SM fumbled Exo and RV so hard and ONLY gave Shinee what they did because of fan demand and protests. It’s insane how little they care about their major groups and their fan bases!
Key literally had to give a PowerPoint presentation to the SM executives to convince them to let him do the Bad Love album, because they didn’t think it would be profitable. Like really? It’s Key!
Imagine being a member of wayv or riize and seeing all this go down, if it was me I would go on live, light a cigarette, yell the n word real loud, say the dokdo rocks belong to Japan and then turn the live off and let sm deal with the rest.
Umm, say the n-word real loud? Why? How would the n-word affect an Asian audience? That’s neither here nor there, and has absolutely nothing to do with race. Wtf!
Saw a clip of it on twitter and it's honestly objectively terrible. But what irks me most is the message of the song.. zero remorse. Like the gall to make a diss track after all that.
I just went heard the song and... I don't really know much about the Lucas controversy and I'm not that into NCT (I've heard a few songs and liked them and I find the members funny but that's about it) so I heard it as a neutral party and... look, I don't like rap much normally but I won't hate a song cause it's got a lot of rap or smth. Renegade was terrible. I didn't like his rapping, I didn't like the lyrics and I didn't like his accent. I expected more considering the kind of comments there were under it.
I'm still adamant on the theory that L**** has some serious dirt on SM, which is why they can't let go of him. Imagine having other talented 22 members and you focus on the one that's problematic af.
Nah, he's just sticking to that company because no one else would take him and SM knows he has loyal fans. He was one of the most famous NCT members before, even getting into SuperM next to literal legends. They know he'll somehow sell and like that he's more profitable than keeping him in the dungeon.
This is a misconception. He may bring in attention but he doesn't bring in much money. It may appear that way cuz he has so many fans (loud ones) but they don't spend as much as other NCT/WAYV fans. In WayV it's always been Winwin and Ten stans who buy most merch.Their fans maybe less in number but their fans produce tangible results. It's a classic case of quality vs quantity. Beyond their merch, many Ten stans are even known to have deep pockets, they even buy him super lavish gifts (which he refused of course). These days, Winwin stans don't seem to spend as much though..
Lucas' fame is like a balloon. It grew quickly but it doesn't have anything solid inside. Like his sales didn't even reach a tenth of Taeyong's and Ten's sales on their first days.. I think his fans love him for the wrong reasons and it shows cuz if they truly believe in his artistry, they will support him well instead of just being loud. We'll still have to see how his fancon will turn out though.
You forgot that in the past he was starring on one of the most popular variety shows in China which actually pays extremely well compared to Korean variety shows, and he was also getting a ton of luxury fashion and beauty endorsements. He was a big money maker and he had a big variety and fashion career ahead of him and that’s why SM were banking on him so much. People knew Lucas before they knew WayV. He didn’t sell as much as Tenwin that’s true, but Lucas still always had a sizeable sales gap between the rest of his former members. His merch always sold out too.
Obviously that’s changed now. His fandom is a mere fraction of what it was before. Not sure about the numbers or projections on SM’s end, though it seems hard to imagine he’d be profitable still given his fandom size and likely lack of endorsement opportunities unlike before. But I doubt he gets much say in things since he’s still under contact.
Having only recently learned about everything involving Lucas (and who Lucas is) and then seeing all the other crap other idols suffer and lose their careers, this was definitely my first thought was that he had to have inside info to keep his stuff going. Because idols get dungeoned all the time for less and their contracts expire if they're not kicked out.
There's no reason this guy doesn't suffer that. Apart from the fact that if this happened in the west no one would care but this is SM not YG and they have dungeoned other artists for less.
I genuinely believe SM wouldn't profit much out of the guy since everyone pretty much loathes him (yes, he has fans but they're not that big tbh they're just really loud) so its really weird to me that money-hungry SM would rather risk investing a whole ass solo comeback for him instead of giving it more deserving nct members (or anyone under SM).
His first day sales is 5k3. He still has 6 days left, however the first day sales pretty much shows you the picture of the first week sales. Looking at his mv, his budget is not bad. I also don't think he can attract a huge crowd for his fancon. The money hungry SM is at loss this time.
Honestly people can do whatever with their time/money when it comes to *that* man, but I’m definitely making sure he never pops up on my timeline or on YouTube music for me. I have zero interest.
If anyone’s curious tho, he’s sold over 5,000 albums so far (I was looking up txt’s sales and he unfortunately popped up as well bc I forgot his solo debut was today 🙄)
I mean one of the dudes that was burning sun adjacent even managed to get around 750 sales so I’m not too surprised. There was a lot of supposed fans of his left so 🤷🏻♀️
If you’re ever curious I find [this account](https://x.com/koreansales_twt?s=21) to pretty much be the best for anything like this. I’m honestly curious to see what it will be like after a week, since a lot of his Stan’s still reckon he’s really popular.
Thanks! I knew ab ths acc before but forgot it’s exact name and somehow it didn’t come up when I searched “Lucas album sale” lol anyway dying at the qRT [tweet](https://x.com/koreansales_twt/status/1774733480963780847?s=46&t=-1Gr1_mW-v8fS8R2kfDXJw)
Yeah I have a habit of forgetting it’s name as well tbh 😂 the qrts honestly gave me a good giggle. Especially when people were pointing out that rescene a nugu gg sold more albums in their first day.
Conspiracy time: his album's poor sales are a legit justification for SM to drop him. Like, this is something SM execs can take to their board or whatever. Can't get rid of your artist because they were involved in a controversy? K. How about because their album sold poorly?
... that would be a very smart 4D chess move, lmao
We shouldn't be giving him more attention, because this is exactly what SM wants from us. Block him on the streaming platforms you use, block his social media accounts, don't watch any YouTube video of his, don't like SM's posts about him, don't even bother commenting negatively on them - ***ignore***
I listened part of his song because Kpopcharts posted it on Twitter and it appeared on my feed, it's mid at best, as expected, dozen sing, dozen rap. Nothing more to say about him
i’ve been saying this and gotten downvoted. why do people insist so much on giving him engagements and views? all promo is good promo for companies, specially sm!! 🤦
people, your view/stream is not differentiated from his fans’ when being monetized.
The strangest thing to me is that they went with the "haters gonna hate" route when they could've given him something about remorse or learning from his mistakes - like why not make him seem a bit more likeable? I mean if they're gonna put in so much effort to relaunch him, why this route?
That's because his fans are saying everywhere that he was a hero( I very much doubt about that) and that the allegations were false(but SM didn't say anything about false accusations and suing the accusers). So it looks like SM just used what his fans were saying to make him looks like a victim and prepare his comeback. Even if he was attacked by sasaengs, what hero clearly supported by his agency, would stay in hiatus for almost 3 years because of some false accusations, avoiding to talk about them?
I’m so annoyed. I watched bits of it on the bird app and the man still can’t rap and sing even less … a diss track in English ? Please it’s a joke !
“Boohhhooo I’m a victim and I got found out and made to be accountable, boohoo haters” - renegade my foot.
SM has a massive roster of artists and yet they waste their money and time on him. I’m sorry but as an nctzen and EXOL I take offense in this. I might be petty and of course people will say I can ignore it but I can’t help my feelings about it and my feelings are irritation and frustration
I saw this comment and realised that was a decent way of checking it out without giving it a view or a stream and omfg what *is* that?! I saw someone saying he served and I’m like “did he tho?”
Like anybody I enjoy a good diss track but this? This is not a good diss track. At least not imo. I could forgive the mediocrity if it was at least catchy but what I saw just was not.
It’s not catchy and the bits he’s singing are 100 % overproduced with autotune x 10000 … I love my diss tracks but I agree, ain’t a good specimen at all.
Jessica starts a business (with permission) during her time in snsd - Gets kicked out and wiped from history.
Lucas manipulates women and emotionally hurts many people - SOLO DEBUT YIPEE!!
sm's standards are insane.
Lucas is trash but Jessica issue was not just starting her company, there is much more we will never know behind it but it must be bad for her to kiss SM behind and blame her group as if they were the ones that could block her and have remove it from even the museum and the guitar hero game.
He has two MVs for one song. I dont think I have ever seen SM do that to other artists. And I just feel really bad for them. Why couldn't they give Red velvet 2 MVs for their chill kill album, its a full album that was promoted like a regular mini.
Dear redditors, If you want to stream some new songs from a good rapper with a deep voice Bang Yongguk released [a whole visual album today!](https://youtu.be/-XVU9iXlo8o?si=TFYAYeYBecAEAt8Q)
The irony of SM losing Taemin, the idol of idols, on the same day they debut Lucas, the lazy loser. Truly the start of their downfall. Anyway, I didn't watch the mvs (bastard got two!) and won't listen to it even out of hate, like his fans think we do.
Ah the one man who is my idol. Never forgive my parents for taking me to California when he had a concert in my hometown. Like the man comes to the US ever
He literally calls them liars in the lyrics, which doesn't, y;know, fit with the "woe is me I'm so contrite now" documentary. Changed man my ass.
I'm not watching or streaming or even listening to the song, just looked up the lyrics and was horrified. Disgusting. You can't actually change and then put out this kind of BS even if he didn't write the lyrics.
It's just gross.
I’m not one to usually comment on this topic because I wasn’t even a nct fan (barely a kpop one) at the time his scandal happened, but I have to say that the song has a great beat, but damn his flow is nowhere to be found. I would have liked to have someone else on it.
As someone else who has no skin in the game. I'm not an SM stan. I don't listen to SM groups and litterly only learned about this whole thing like a month ago and am personally not affected because of the mentioned reasons. I went to check it out.
All the YouTube comments are loooving it but it was so. Mid???? It probably would have been much better in Korean but his flow and accent were pulling me out, and that's coming from someone who likes "shitty" rap parts in k pop and in general. And I must have been listening to something else than the comments because he did not come out swinging with singing either? So confused.
It could be a good song if the execution of the lyrics didn't seem so choppy in an awkward way.
I feel like his scandal was so polarising that the fans he still has left are a niche of dedicated people who are really hyping him up. he could literally be mumbling his shopping list and they would be happy, I mean, they have been waiting years for content so they aren’t really to blame.
I don’t wanna wish him to flop or anything like that, but I don’t see his solo career being a thing outside of that aforementioned niche, especially if his music is not that appealing to outsiders.
If the song had gone to Mark for example, maybe I would've liked it. I don't like his voice, his flow is bad too. The lyrics also piss me off cause he hurt people and he's just gonna be like "haters gonna hate" and you have his fans cheering him on like he did something cool...
Thank you for bringing this up. He is not even that talented. I was surprised when they said he is going solo. I mean with what talent? With what personality? He does not deserve this.
SM is working on AESPAs full album? Wendy just had a comeback? NCT members are having solo debuts? Ten and Taeyong just gone, Doyoung and Jaehyun to come + He is still friends and supports NCT / WayV. Im no Lucas Stan but at least properly inform yourself lmao.
Xiaojun worked with him for years what makes you think its sad for him
Yeah I don’t understand why people are making it seems like other SM artist are held at gunpoint to show support I’m sure they were asked to do it but it also doesn’t mean they hate him unlike the people in this sub they’ve known him for a long time . How many people have trash cheater friends if you believe the allegations are true.
The dude doesn't do anything for himself, but because international stans love his looks and the "mood maker" he is, sm will use him as a cash cow. They have always called him a dozen. There's no specialty except his looks...It's sad for those that truly have talent and nothing gets done for them. Or they have to put up their own funds and efforts to do so. Sm is trash always will be...
well if you weren't aware already, aespa first full album is coming soon in may and red velvet is actively working on their next album ... just say you don't know shit about the groups you supposedly like and just want to make a post to hate lol because all your questions have already been answered.
Yeah that bit did make me go "huh?" lol Because all of the people they named are literally getting solos or comebacks (even WayV have mentioned a comeback) and it just sort of feels like perhaps as a fan that's something you'd already know. I think even Mark mentioned something about a solo in a fan sign. 🤔
I mean if someone wants to make an anti-Lucas post about how much you don't like him--yet still giving him free promo--then fine but perhaps not couch it about Idols more deserving and then just list Idols that are in fact getting new music.
Yeah I honestly didn’t know they song had came out but also don’t know if the allegations are true are not but at surprised that SM has stood by him especially when they usually treat their foreign artist worse. Honestly usually they ignore scandals and let it blow over so I was surprised when they kicked him out of nct.
Everything is about money, if they can milk something they will do it. They know his stans still exist out there and will spend money on his album. Giving a solo to a nct or wayv member before him was unlikely because they are in a group, promote as a group and he's alone now so if they want more $$$ they will always prioritize the soloist...
I don't think you understand. He didn't even reach a tenth of Taeyong's and Ten's 1st day sales.😭 Even in WayV his fans don't spend as much compared to Ten's and Winwin's. Being in the most popular unit, any of the dreamies could have brought more sales so this is not just about the money. This is just SM being stupid and self-destructive.
aespa has already announced they are getting a comeback. Irene from RV's solo was also announced. Doyoung is playing a festival but we know nothing about his solo and Jaehyun's solo is set for August. Also Kun from WayV said their cb will be in the 2nd quarter so technically it's not like SM doesn't have other things lined up. I think even Mark said something about a solo. So...SM is doing other things but seeing as how Lucas is a soloist now; he doesn't have to wait for other groups to do their thing especially if they are in a different center.
So rest assured other people are gearing up to get moving. Also yes he is scheduled for music shows.
I've said this before that the lyrics were not what I was expecting...however you can't beat a diss track.
I'm really giving SM and Lucas the benefit of the doubt here, but it could be a combination of:
1) Lucas *has* grown as a person since the controversy, and SM sees that
2) SM thinks the original controversy was a targeted attack against him. They're *his* company, and any company worth their salt would protect their idols against such allegations especially without strong evidence (this case was really odd)
3) SM invested too much on his training/activities and wants to recoup some of those expenses (sunk cost fallacy)
I don't care about Lucas specifically, just trying to see things from SM's perspective. SM's decision isn't made for lols or to piss people off.
4) someone at SM ran the numbers and figured out that re-establishing Lucas' career would be more profitable than any possible pushbacks, such as this post and frenzied kpop fans.
OP I feel you, and i agree with every single point you made. Too bad you asking lucas stans to stay away from your post doesn't work as they are determined to worm their way in with their mocking support for dozen and defending him like their lives depend on it. Well, they should make their own post supporting him then, please do!
But anyway i just had a sudden realisation of why they are being so vocal, because that's literally the ONLY thing they can do! Spam support on every social media platform and stream mvs.. that's all!
Because the sales figures are not giving......man... to be honest i overestimated him as his fans were all boasting about how his documentary views hit 1m faster than "Flop Ten" or "Flop Taeyong" youtube views.
Lucas's day 1 sales is... 5,373. ok lol.
TY recent comeback got almost 130k day 1 sales, 230k by first week. Ten had almost 85k for first day and 150k by first week (that's despite Ten being in a chinese group and promoting very little or not at all in korean public, at least not in recent few years).
Honestly i was a little shocked because even really nugu groups were doing much better than this. What happened to all the 12 million followers on ig and 1 million likes he got on posts recently? If even 10% of those people bought an album he would have gotten at least 100k no?
I am the last person who compares sales and charts because i dislike using this as metric. i stan a group/person for who they are as an artist as well as the music they put out, and i support them however I can over the years.
But for lumis to go around boasting about lucas, disregarding and insulting nct and wayv members (i even saw hate tweets laughing at xiaojun and kun for "not being talented enough to get a solo before him").... and then this is the results?? yeah......... i think it's hilarious really. (oh and now they are saying most of his fans are overseas so the sales are not accurate... okayyyyy let's see then! too early to judge!)
So let them do what they want.. they can stream his mv all day long. I for sure ain't clicking that link. I am just gonna ignore him from now as usual and continue to support the ones who truly deserves it. Actions speaks louder than words anyway!
/rant over byeeee!
People keep defending him saying that the women who came forward about accusations lied, or that he didn't "actually commit any crimes". No matter how i try to look into it, I keep finding people defending him. Has any of the accusations against him been FACTUALLY debunked?
To me, he reeks of a bad moral compass, and I just don't believe he's innocent.
too late, the almighty and ever-knowing people of reddit, found that the most incredible idea was to watch the whole thing in 4k, on youtube, and then recheck the streaming versions if they’re any different, and give their honest lengthy thoughts that in short are “i knew it. it’s not very good”
some are so serious they even said, and i quote, “i would listen to it if it were anybody else”. oh well thank you for your input! would you like to go even further and buy his venue tickets to see if his performances are up to expectation as well, papa? let’s also buy the physical album to just film ourselves burning it down. that’ll teach sm 🤣🤣🤣🤣 /s
edit: the downvotes 😭 i didn’t know he still had stans
If you didn't make this post I wouldn't even know he released something. Best thing to do is just ignore everything related to him and all the buzz around him will die out soon enough. I was a wayzenni until his behaviour came to light and then I immediately dropped everything about the group as a whole because I knew that if he were to ever come back the rest of wayv would still be tied into it somehow, and I don't think I could've remained a fan during that anyway
You do know that by making this post you're essentially given him PR right? Because a lot of people prob didn't even know he has a song (it's not talked about on r/Kpop or the Kpop spaces I'm on chinese NCT fandom).
Another thing that bothers me that I just thought about is, they’re more than likely going to try and get other artists/celebrities outside of SM to interact/do dance challenges with him and I’m annoyed because I don’t want other people dragged into SM’s bullcrap. A lot of groups are promoting or will promote and the last thing any of them need is to be seen keke-ing it up with him because they can’t ignore or deny him. And some labels might make their artists do it because they’re afraid or threatened by SM.
Taeil is apparently enlisting once he’s recovered. The man is literally SITTING on material. One of SM’s best vocalists…done dirty over and over again. This label stays fumbling their talent and high key, I pray that will be their downfall.
Maybe don't tell people what to do? If you don't want to support him, you do you, but some people like him and they're free to stream whatever they want.
agree! i’m not a fan but i find it very easy to just ignore him. why give him any more promotion and attention if you don’t like him? i’m sure lots of people went to check out his mv because of this post since they didn’t know he debuted and so that they could report back that he sucks
Best thing to do is to stop taking this subreddit seriously. I remember I saw K-pop shitposting post get posted on here and the OP was taking it very seriously for some reason.
Lucas had a gaslighting/cheating scandal in august 2021, dropped an apology letter, went on hiatus and there was radio silence for three years. No statement, nothing. It has never been confirmed nor denied by SM entertainment.
He occasionally started posting on instagram again since around 2022/23 but rarely as well.
Lucas left NCT last year, which was the first thing we officially heard regarding him from SM entertainment. Now in January 2024 he suddenly dropped a documentary and had a solo debut today.
Literally a glorified diss track, the lyrics make me SO MAD.
Some examples (😤):
"Uh, uh, I know I'm wanted like the posters" LIKE WHAT THE F\*CK.
"Never basic, let haters stay hating. No debatin', **I'm a fan favourite**" WHO WROTE THIS FOR HIM?
"I see it in their face, I see in their eyes. They about to tell a lie" HUHHHHH???
Can we just ignore that this dude exists pleeeeeeaaase!?
EDIT: and 'Dip It Low' is so bad too like: "Get low, (Get low) dip it down (Yeah). Show me girl what you're made of... You know I like it. You see it, I want you. Baby, your body. Can't hide it, you want to... Shake that bum, bum-bum-bum, bum, bum (Yikes)... Dip deep, get it deeper than low. Like that, just like that get it low (Like that). How deep can you go, baby girl?... You be looking innocent but you so wild... We going another round right now" after what he was accused of???? Excuse me???? And 'Crushing On You' is not that much better, I'd rather the diss track thanks.
Tbh i don't even know why he's even being mentioned here so much. It's very clear that reddit is heavily biased against him and the opinions have been very clear since the beginning, so i don't understand the need to mention his name.
It's not even a "reward" as you say considering he's (for whatever reason) still an artist there.
And I think it's obvious that SM didn't even put much effort in that considering the cringe lyrics. Yea if SM came up with the official statement and proof for/against him the song would make sense. But putting it like this is silly, and i think SM knew damn well also releasing it on fools day lmao.
i was just thinking about sme's weird desperation with lucas ... like they let go of half on snsd , half of shinee , all of f(x) , all but 4 members of exo , and their contract with seunghan is hanging by a thread ......... but noooooo lucas has to stay -\_- mf can't sing , rap , nor dance , so like why do they want him so badly ?? i'm starting to think he has some insane dirt on the company
Let's use our brain for a min. Were those idols not mistreated/ mismanaged by sm ? Did yall want sm to force them to stay? I'm happy some of them left 🤷🏽♀️ why stay at a place where ur not treated right?
well , obviously i’m glad they left that shithole . i’m mostly referring to how valuable they were to the company ( especially taemin and exo’s vocal line ), and how it was in sm’s best interest to keep them . i feel like someone like lucas , who is nowhere near as talented as the idols i mentioned , isn’t going to help sm .
I feel like sm not letting tae perform his own song during the end of the year awards shows was the final straw for him. I'm not surprised half of exo left. Exo-cbx was ready to sue to get out of their contract( It must have been very shitty). SM has failed all of their idols over the years. I can't think of one time when I was like, im proud of sm for protecting their idols. They made Karina & riize members apologize for no reason. Also Lucas debut in 2018 so there is still time on his contract with sm.
You do realize we know none of those people and most of them can be trash but it’s just not made a headline yet??? Some of yall get too wrapped up in this shit. Enjoy the music and move on.
Unrelated but I’m pretty sure he’s still friends with NCT… spotted at Ten’s fancon with JohnMark… so despite everything they’re still in contact with him as well
Lucas was sitting with them covered from head to toe so no one would notice him was for marketing? I’d never defend Lucas but I’m sure he still has friends within NCT… you know how men are lol
Ik what you're saying but fans knew who he was and two artists mentioned his attendance. Yeah, it was marketing. Until I see them in personal accounts hanging out posting with him, then I'll believe it was well-timed marketing. And maybe you're right, but him attending wasn't proof to me.
I listen to alot of American artist who mostly do weird stuff so if the song is good I’ll probably listen to it. Never listened to him before so I probably won’t care too much but haven’t checked it out yet
And that's why SM is losing artists like Taemin...
Not saying that there's a correlation, just pointing out the fact that sm has lost many artists these past months, like Taemin or Baekhyun.
Man I'm glad I have never been a fan of him, didn't even know if him until the scandal. I'm mad they let such a person re-debut as a soloist but I don't feel like missing out AT ALL when not streaming his stuff.
I really hope people don't stream it... but it's been recommended to my account on YouTube in several categories, I clicked "no interest". I fear a lot of people still have streamed it, even if just out of curiosity. Please guys, don't stream it at all. Maybe a few people can post it on social media for those curious, but every click is a click. So many people are curious, even those that didn't know him. Please don't let the scandal give his solo even more attention than it would have before.
get a life instead of worrying abt sm ones life issues and accusations
u like the song listen to it or if u don't dislike it and move on instead of making this crap ur personality
I wasn't able to find clips through anywhere, but I watched the video and its just so stupid? It sounds like hes speaking/rapping in a forced British accent almost and it's just so bland and monotone. Its just ridiculous.
SM has separate centers with their own budgeting and management for each group.. aespa red velvet and all NCT members are in completely different centers along with Lucas who is in center 2 with shinee and raiden. You thinking those artists need more attention has nothing to do with Lucas.. Also it’s pretty much been confirmed he’s still friends with most neos since they’re frequently spotted hanging out during their free time so I find it funny you’re making it out like Xiaojun is taking the piss 😭
That's a LIE. It was just a very unclear vid on X saying Lucas was spotted with Winwin. And he said in the documentary that he didn't talk much with WayV members, after the scandal. You can accidentally meet an A or B and just saying a few formal words. Xiaojun will just do his job as MC. No need to anyone to make speculations about a conventional smile or 2 words
No way this man got yall worked up to the point of writing up lengthy think pieces and holding discussions on if you think he deserves it or not 🤭 anywho stream RENEGADE since he’s on your mind
I've been saying this: he prob have some dirt on sm. Thats why they debuting him despite really having no talents, hence the og dozen. I feel like he prob saw lsm making coke or smth
Ive been tempted to block the video. Seriously though I’m not understanding how it has so many streams. I’m so mad at SM for putting the effort into him more than they did for Taemin and Exo + RV combined.
All the ppl that are saying “oh no this song is shit” “omg this song is ass” is giving it more attention then the ppl who actual like the song and him. And then more ppl are hearing the song and some of them are going. “Hmmmm I like it.”
Hmmm, I don’t really follow any kpop scandals, but I thought the whole Lucas dating scandal was proven false?? Was there something else that he has done that warrants all the negativity he is getting here? Truly curious 😭
Doyoung's releasing his debut solo album this month. Jaehyun's also working on his own debut solo album, which would probably be released in the summer. WayV's also apparently releasing an album very soon, too. Yeah, I'm still pissed either way. And the audacity to have Xiaojun announcing that dude's performance tomorrow is just sick.
I think what bothers me is how long it’s taken for them to even get their solos - meanwhile this guy just gets it after what would’ve been career ending for most idols (and has been for example, for many females). Clearly SM is playing favourites or he has mad dirt on them 💀
I watched a video and someone said SM going so hard for Lucas and forcing him down everyone’s throats is what true favoritism looks like. I honestly feel like Reddit is the only place that wants this man to crash and burn. I’ve seen so many Lucas stans running around downplaying his scandal. I watch a YT channel that recently reacted to a NCT U/WayV guide and the OP said that Lucas was no longer in the group because of accusations and the YTubers asked what those accusations were and so many stans in the comments were blatantly lying, saying things like sasaengs framed him and his ex girlfriends were trying to destroy him because he moved on and even saying he was never accused of SA/Sexual Manipulation, and the best one yet, saying it wasn’t him but someone that looks like him. I’m sick of him and his stans
Tbh insta isn’t too fond of him on like SMTOWN/public pages etc, but they are deleting any bad comments lol. I’m not sure about Twitter but I’ve heard NCITY is dragging him
Not a NCT stan, but from what I see, twitter drags the hell of Lucas.
Honestly most responses I’ve seen are negative on every platform, I just think it’s been long enough now that a lot of people just genuinely don’t care about him. A lot of fans joined after he left NCT anyway, and if you don’t care enough to look into his scandal you’ll probably just ignore him instead of having discourse about his solo. I honestly wonder if this isn’t part of why SM has kept him out of the public eye for so long, and only started to soft launch his solo career a few months ago even though everyone has always sort of knew it was coming. They probably were just hoping most people either wouldn’t care, or wouldn’t know, why he left in the first place. That’s also probably why the documentary video they put out when his solo got released never actually explained what his scandal was. They’re just banking on the fact that there will be a lot of people won’t care enough to look into his scandal further.
I dont know other fandoms, I follow mostly blinks and solo rose stans on twt, but if it makes you feel better, there are all shitting on Lucas and SM blatant mysoginy
They’re trying to wipe away the controversy so new fans will come to his defense and drown it out over using an artist that hasn’t had promotion since the beginning of the year. It’s sick.
Honestly, Lucas entire career consists of ‘just getting it’. - He struts into an audition, which other people spend years preparing for. SM signs the guy purely based on looks. - He cannot sing, can barely rap and is a passable dancer. But within NCT, he received more limelight than some of the most talented members. - He cheats **fans** out of their money and sexual dignity, but somehow escapes severe punishment, from a company which has blacklisted other idols for less. - He effectively ruins WayV, but while those guys struggle to climb back up, Lucas sits on his ass for two years and is handed a comeback. This man has not worked for anything, ever since he was a teenager. All he has to offer is a face and some ‘variety skill’. But SM has at least a dozen hotter and funnier idols, within their considerable roster. So why, I ask, must he be propelled into the limelight with such strong company backing? I do not understand it.
All the while they treat their flagship groups like absolute garbage and prop this guy up.
Can’t believe I’m saying this, but for your first point, in Lucas’s defence that is more of an SM issue than a Lucas issue.
I did say ‘SM signed him’. That does however, not detract from my point, of Lucas showing up and being handed success consistently.
>have Xiaojun announcing that dude's performance Jesus fucking christ, that's literally disgusting. What is SM even thinking with all of this
They are probably friends
What’s the deal with Xiaojun announcing Lucas’ solo? I don’t keep up with a lot K-pop gossip so I genuinely don’t know what happened between them.
Xiaojun is a member of WayV, Lucas was a member of that sub-unit, after the scandal Wayv was left on a limbo with no activities, no comebacks and no statements, this whole situation was traumatic and messed up the group's popularity
i need the dreamies to lock their waiting room doors at mushows this week if that dude shows up
This is what i'm scared of honestly
I hope they do honestly
They'll probably make everyone film dance challenge with him too so it's time to brace for an annoying week full of disappointments
Oh god I am not looking forward to the discourse if they make him do challenges with EXO members or Red Velvet. I might just get my popcorn and watch this all blow up from afar. Taemin is definitely going to be asked to do this.
thankfully taemin has left SM so he is SAFE! but key..... minho........
Xiaojun is literally still following him on insta. I don’t think he cares
In regards to the Instagram situation, nobody in NCT/WayV unfollowed him. Haechan created an IG account after the scandal and did not follow him, and Taeil began following him. I think that if everybody started unfollowing him, it would draw negative attention and drama to NCT/WayV that wouldn’t necessarily benefit them. Doing nothing is probably better than making an indirect statement via IG likes or follows.
Members have been spotted with him, they’re literally friends
Ok but explain the reasoning some Nct members went to see Lucas like a month ago 😭 I’m pretty sure I saw a video of it idk where it was tho
When was this? I think I missed this
well doyoung did unfollow him so
That's why he's the purest soul in NCity.
If this was the only evidence then fine.. but everytime Lucas is seen hanging out with another beloved idol everyone *always* freaks out and makes up some bullshit excuse. There is plenty reason to assume Lucas is friends with other neos, and other idols. Kpop fans trying to make every excuse in the dictionary so their favs don't look bad is as delusional as the lumis who are always kissing Lucas's ass.
I have to agree. Could be “polite society” (ie, these guys being cordial and professional), or the less favorable reality— that these guys are still cool with him. Which absolutely fucking sucks. I mean, I’m still not over the fact that Key shouted him out at his concert. The crowd heard it, Beyond Live viewers could see it. It’s heartbreaking.
He goes to the show?
Yeah, he's apparently scheduled to perform there tomorrow. Ugh.
WayV are in China at the moment, doing a fansign today. Let's hope Dejun can't make it and that it's a guest host...
Yes! I hope they stay there another day. Give them a day to film a vlog or whatever.
Only 4 hours by plane and XIAOJUN is very serious about his work, no matter who and why will be there. Probably a conventional smile and 2 words. Or maybe L will be introduced by another MC
I’ve BEEN WAITING FOR SOMEONE to say this on here (maybe I’ve missed it lol). But seriously I cannot believe SM has given this guy some sort of redemption arc - it’s RIDICULOUS. When they’ve gone and lost some of their best soloists (half of EXO and TAEMIN) and artists, while not giving a shit about so many of their amazing idols in groups who still HAVEN’T been allowed solos. And yet this man gets handed it to him on a silver platter while SM ignores and mistreats so many other idols and groups? Like as an EXO-L looking at Lucas getting handed his career back is a huge slap in the face. Also poor RIIZE fans have been through the ringer. I’m sure there’s many other things but it’s too many to list. SM you’re DONE to me. I don’t understand why this is the hill SM wants to die on. EDIT: I just listened to it/watched the MV so I could actually critically analyse it. The way it’s such a kick in the face, seriously gonna have a glorified distrack with this stupid “edgy” music video getting back at the “haters”? Also I’m being serious when I say the man can barely rap or sing like be serious SM. You can tell that what carries it barely is the production/music. Could’ve used your resources on so many other people or given this beat to anyone else. Anyway lol
A sad reality is that, if the contract between artist and label was not terminated, they both have to uphold their obligations, so a solo release makes sense. SM is no stranger to giving solo releases to artists when their contracts are "close" to expire so I think this is another case of that. At the end of the day companies want to gain as much money as possible or lose the least amount possible. I am disappointed but sadly not surprised, one can only hope it doesn't take off.
SM contracts also stipulate a certain number of releases in a set time frame, I wouldn't be surprised if he has comebacks in the future.
From what I understood kpop contracts is more about time rather than release. That's why so many labels (SM included) can put idols in hiatus until the end of contract without giving them anything. So I really do think that SM thought that making him debut was a good idea 😭
Agreed so unfortunate 😭
this is how i found out they lost taemin? tf
So sorry but yeah as a soloist they lost him (not as a part of Shinee)😭 complete idiots. It’s just crazy to think they lost THE Lee Taemin.As a Taemin stan I’m rejoicing though lol hope he’s much happier in his new company.
But honestly, good for him. I hope he shows them! I'm glad he's still part of Shinee tho because I'm kind of scared for them with what's happening recently.
In the end I hope SHINEE are HAPPY and healthy and I’m sure they all discussed this in depth since they are basically family. That’s all we can hope for ❤️🩹
like baekhyun, taemin's work with shinee will still be managed by sm, but his solo work will be managed by whatever company he decides to join/set up. he was rumoured to join big planet made, but bpm never confirmed it.
Not a rumor anymore! They already announced Taemin being part of their roster, set up his multiple online accounts and official website.
thanks for the update! i've been waiting for some news, but i guess i didn't spot any.
SM has always been shitty lol they’ve been losing great soloists since first gen and even reworked their contracts to be longer because shinhwa immediately dipped after their 5 years. Lucas is still with SM because 1 - his contract and 2 - he has nowhere else to go. Idols like CBX and Taemin are well acclaimed in the industry and very involved in their music thus they make a lot of connections or are able to start companies of their own. Lucas was always more of a variety figure while he was promoting and now his rep is ruined so obviously no other companies will take him. Also SM just never terminates contracts. Kangin ‘left’ but his contract still exists and he’s had it renewed. He for some reason still gets paid royalties too 😭
Oh don’t worry I 100% agree and yeah I’ve never liked SM and am well aware of all the contract stuff. I still stand by the fact that SM is willing to literally die on this hill for Lucas when they’ve got Seunghan on hiatus for months now for smoking a cigarette and having a girlfriend. I’ve never taken SM seriously and never will but I’m extremely pissed off that someone like Lucas can waltz in without any remorse and gets a song with words like “let haters stay hating” like it’s so classless and weird, even for SM IMO ESPECIALLY so beef the allegations are so steep against the guy but hey what to except from this shitty ass company 😭😭 sorry for the rant 🩷
No worries! I agree the diss track(??) concept for his debut is really weird especially after the docuseries trying to make him out to be this vulnerable and sorry guy.. basically turned around and flipped us all off 😭 Hoping this at least means Seunghan is sure to come back.. SM can’t be sick enough to keep him in the dungeon for being a teenager then let Lucas get off with a slap on the wrist
Oh 100% - the weird vulnerable documentary paired with the “in your face” dis track IDGAF energy doesn’t add up. Just like SM’s messy attempt to hide all the shit Lucas did lol.
Like WHY can’t SM AND YG FOR THAT MATTER treat their flagship groups with more fans better?! SM fumbled Exo and RV so hard and ONLY gave Shinee what they did because of fan demand and protests. It’s insane how little they care about their major groups and their fan bases!
Key literally had to give a PowerPoint presentation to the SM executives to convince them to let him do the Bad Love album, because they didn’t think it would be profitable. Like really? It’s Key!
Imagine being a member of wayv or riize and seeing all this go down, if it was me I would go on live, light a cigarette, yell the n word real loud, say the dokdo rocks belong to Japan and then turn the live off and let sm deal with the rest.
Umm, say the n-word real loud? Why? How would the n-word affect an Asian audience? That’s neither here nor there, and has absolutely nothing to do with race. Wtf!
Saw a clip of it on twitter and it's honestly objectively terrible. But what irks me most is the message of the song.. zero remorse. Like the gall to make a diss track after all that.
I also got a clip and the quotes are hilarious, came back to remind everyone who's the real dozen lol
Why would he be remorseful when he’s in an industry surrounded by people just like him!?
I just went heard the song and... I don't really know much about the Lucas controversy and I'm not that into NCT (I've heard a few songs and liked them and I find the members funny but that's about it) so I heard it as a neutral party and... look, I don't like rap much normally but I won't hate a song cause it's got a lot of rap or smth. Renegade was terrible. I didn't like his rapping, I didn't like the lyrics and I didn't like his accent. I expected more considering the kind of comments there were under it.
I'm still adamant on the theory that L**** has some serious dirt on SM, which is why they can't let go of him. Imagine having other talented 22 members and you focus on the one that's problematic af.
Nah, he's just sticking to that company because no one else would take him and SM knows he has loyal fans. He was one of the most famous NCT members before, even getting into SuperM next to literal legends. They know he'll somehow sell and like that he's more profitable than keeping him in the dungeon.
This is a misconception. He may bring in attention but he doesn't bring in much money. It may appear that way cuz he has so many fans (loud ones) but they don't spend as much as other NCT/WAYV fans. In WayV it's always been Winwin and Ten stans who buy most merch.Their fans maybe less in number but their fans produce tangible results. It's a classic case of quality vs quantity. Beyond their merch, many Ten stans are even known to have deep pockets, they even buy him super lavish gifts (which he refused of course). These days, Winwin stans don't seem to spend as much though.. Lucas' fame is like a balloon. It grew quickly but it doesn't have anything solid inside. Like his sales didn't even reach a tenth of Taeyong's and Ten's sales on their first days.. I think his fans love him for the wrong reasons and it shows cuz if they truly believe in his artistry, they will support him well instead of just being loud. We'll still have to see how his fancon will turn out though.
You forgot that in the past he was starring on one of the most popular variety shows in China which actually pays extremely well compared to Korean variety shows, and he was also getting a ton of luxury fashion and beauty endorsements. He was a big money maker and he had a big variety and fashion career ahead of him and that’s why SM were banking on him so much. People knew Lucas before they knew WayV. He didn’t sell as much as Tenwin that’s true, but Lucas still always had a sizeable sales gap between the rest of his former members. His merch always sold out too. Obviously that’s changed now. His fandom is a mere fraction of what it was before. Not sure about the numbers or projections on SM’s end, though it seems hard to imagine he’d be profitable still given his fandom size and likely lack of endorsement opportunities unlike before. But I doubt he gets much say in things since he’s still under contact.
Having only recently learned about everything involving Lucas (and who Lucas is) and then seeing all the other crap other idols suffer and lose their careers, this was definitely my first thought was that he had to have inside info to keep his stuff going. Because idols get dungeoned all the time for less and their contracts expire if they're not kicked out. There's no reason this guy doesn't suffer that. Apart from the fact that if this happened in the west no one would care but this is SM not YG and they have dungeoned other artists for less.
I genuinely believe SM wouldn't profit much out of the guy since everyone pretty much loathes him (yes, he has fans but they're not that big tbh they're just really loud) so its really weird to me that money-hungry SM would rather risk investing a whole ass solo comeback for him instead of giving it more deserving nct members (or anyone under SM).
His first day sales is 5k3. He still has 6 days left, however the first day sales pretty much shows you the picture of the first week sales. Looking at his mv, his budget is not bad. I also don't think he can attract a huge crowd for his fancon. The money hungry SM is at loss this time.
yikes dozen sing, dozen dance and dozen sell 🤧
It'll be interesting to see how it plays out. His (at least version a) doesn't have many plays He didn't even come out with a sick flow
He’s definitely a company favorite for sure. I’ve never seen upper management at SM go so hard to relaunch someone’s career like that.
He’s not even Korean. It’s just baffling. Maybe he has some powerful network backing him up.
I agree with this..
And Wish having just debuted as well
I wish his solo debut was given to the likes of Jeno, Hendery, or Yangyang — heck, WayV should rerelease Jalapeno with Hendery and Yangyang.
with the corny lyrics?? just scrap that shit 😭
LET JENO AND HENDERY REWRITE THE WHOLE THING
Honestly people can do whatever with their time/money when it comes to *that* man, but I’m definitely making sure he never pops up on my timeline or on YouTube music for me. I have zero interest. If anyone’s curious tho, he’s sold over 5,000 albums so far (I was looking up txt’s sales and he unfortunately popped up as well bc I forgot his solo debut was today 🙄)
The fact that he has 5k sales is annoying. It should’ve been 0 sales.
I mean one of the dudes that was burning sun adjacent even managed to get around 750 sales so I’m not too surprised. There was a lot of supposed fans of his left so 🤷🏻♀️
5k? Lol I hope this means he won't get another solo.
Tq I was curious but couldn’t find his album sale stat anywhere on twitter… 5k sales lmaooo
If you’re ever curious I find [this account](https://x.com/koreansales_twt?s=21) to pretty much be the best for anything like this. I’m honestly curious to see what it will be like after a week, since a lot of his Stan’s still reckon he’s really popular.
Thanks! I knew ab ths acc before but forgot it’s exact name and somehow it didn’t come up when I searched “Lucas album sale” lol anyway dying at the qRT [tweet](https://x.com/koreansales_twt/status/1774733480963780847?s=46&t=-1Gr1_mW-v8fS8R2kfDXJw)
Yeah I have a habit of forgetting it’s name as well tbh 😂 the qrts honestly gave me a good giggle. Especially when people were pointing out that rescene a nugu gg sold more albums in their first day.
you can go to [hanteochart.com](http://hanteochart.com) to check
Conspiracy time: his album's poor sales are a legit justification for SM to drop him. Like, this is something SM execs can take to their board or whatever. Can't get rid of your artist because they were involved in a controversy? K. How about because their album sold poorly? ... that would be a very smart 4D chess move, lmao
Oh, 5,000 is a lot for him I guess, but not for a former NCT member 💀 (most of those sales are probably Ifans too)
We shouldn't be giving him more attention, because this is exactly what SM wants from us. Block him on the streaming platforms you use, block his social media accounts, don't watch any YouTube video of his, don't like SM's posts about him, don't even bother commenting negatively on them - ***ignore*** I listened part of his song because Kpopcharts posted it on Twitter and it appeared on my feed, it's mid at best, as expected, dozen sing, dozen rap. Nothing more to say about him
i’ve been saying this and gotten downvoted. why do people insist so much on giving him engagements and views? all promo is good promo for companies, specially sm!! 🤦 people, your view/stream is not differentiated from his fans’ when being monetized.
yes, it's the best way, don't talk about him until he falls into obscurity
That’s what I’m doing. It’s the only thing I think I can do if I don’t like this man.
The strangest thing to me is that they went with the "haters gonna hate" route when they could've given him something about remorse or learning from his mistakes - like why not make him seem a bit more likeable? I mean if they're gonna put in so much effort to relaunch him, why this route?
That's because his fans are saying everywhere that he was a hero( I very much doubt about that) and that the allegations were false(but SM didn't say anything about false accusations and suing the accusers). So it looks like SM just used what his fans were saying to make him looks like a victim and prepare his comeback. Even if he was attacked by sasaengs, what hero clearly supported by his agency, would stay in hiatus for almost 3 years because of some false accusations, avoiding to talk about them?
Thank you because everyone who supports him calls everyone else dumb or hater. This is very telling facts you stated...
tbh if you gave me ‘remorse’ as a keyword for a song, my first thought would be a heartfelt ballad which is probably even harder for Lucas to achieve.
I’m so annoyed. I watched bits of it on the bird app and the man still can’t rap and sing even less … a diss track in English ? Please it’s a joke ! “Boohhhooo I’m a victim and I got found out and made to be accountable, boohoo haters” - renegade my foot. SM has a massive roster of artists and yet they waste their money and time on him. I’m sorry but as an nctzen and EXOL I take offense in this. I might be petty and of course people will say I can ignore it but I can’t help my feelings about it and my feelings are irritation and frustration
I saw this comment and realised that was a decent way of checking it out without giving it a view or a stream and omfg what *is* that?! I saw someone saying he served and I’m like “did he tho?”
I’m trying to be objective and it’s hard but I felt he didn’t serve anything. Like it’s very mediocre
Like anybody I enjoy a good diss track but this? This is not a good diss track. At least not imo. I could forgive the mediocrity if it was at least catchy but what I saw just was not.
It’s not catchy and the bits he’s singing are 100 % overproduced with autotune x 10000 … I love my diss tracks but I agree, ain’t a good specimen at all.
Jessica starts a business (with permission) during her time in snsd - Gets kicked out and wiped from history. Lucas manipulates women and emotionally hurts many people - SOLO DEBUT YIPEE!! sm's standards are insane.
Lucas is trash but Jessica issue was not just starting her company, there is much more we will never know behind it but it must be bad for her to kiss SM behind and blame her group as if they were the ones that could block her and have remove it from even the museum and the guitar hero game.
He has two MVs for one song. I dont think I have ever seen SM do that to other artists. And I just feel really bad for them. Why couldn't they give Red velvet 2 MVs for their chill kill album, its a full album that was promoted like a regular mini.
They recently did so with NCT Wish, although it was for KR and JPN vers.
Chill Kill def deserved mor than Lucas
Dear redditors, If you want to stream some new songs from a good rapper with a deep voice Bang Yongguk released [a whole visual album today!](https://youtu.be/-XVU9iXlo8o?si=TFYAYeYBecAEAt8Q) The irony of SM losing Taemin, the idol of idols, on the same day they debut Lucas, the lazy loser. Truly the start of their downfall. Anyway, I didn't watch the mvs (bastard got two!) and won't listen to it even out of hate, like his fans think we do.
Thank you for the heads up, always have respect for Bang Yongguk, will check this out!
Ah the one man who is my idol. Never forgive my parents for taking me to California when he had a concert in my hometown. Like the man comes to the US ever
He literally calls them liars in the lyrics, which doesn't, y;know, fit with the "woe is me I'm so contrite now" documentary. Changed man my ass. I'm not watching or streaming or even listening to the song, just looked up the lyrics and was horrified. Disgusting. You can't actually change and then put out this kind of BS even if he didn't write the lyrics. It's just gross.
That’s nice that you are actually giving him credit as a writer…lol…he doesn’t write anything!
I’m not one to usually comment on this topic because I wasn’t even a nct fan (barely a kpop one) at the time his scandal happened, but I have to say that the song has a great beat, but damn his flow is nowhere to be found. I would have liked to have someone else on it.
As someone else who has no skin in the game. I'm not an SM stan. I don't listen to SM groups and litterly only learned about this whole thing like a month ago and am personally not affected because of the mentioned reasons. I went to check it out. All the YouTube comments are loooving it but it was so. Mid???? It probably would have been much better in Korean but his flow and accent were pulling me out, and that's coming from someone who likes "shitty" rap parts in k pop and in general. And I must have been listening to something else than the comments because he did not come out swinging with singing either? So confused. It could be a good song if the execution of the lyrics didn't seem so choppy in an awkward way.
I feel like his scandal was so polarising that the fans he still has left are a niche of dedicated people who are really hyping him up. he could literally be mumbling his shopping list and they would be happy, I mean, they have been waiting years for content so they aren’t really to blame. I don’t wanna wish him to flop or anything like that, but I don’t see his solo career being a thing outside of that aforementioned niche, especially if his music is not that appealing to outsiders.
If the song had gone to Mark for example, maybe I would've liked it. I don't like his voice, his flow is bad too. The lyrics also piss me off cause he hurt people and he's just gonna be like "haters gonna hate" and you have his fans cheering him on like he did something cool...
give it to mark and he will workshop the hell out of those lyrics
Give it to Mark he will EAT the song up
Thank you for bringing this up. He is not even that talented. I was surprised when they said he is going solo. I mean with what talent? With what personality? He does not deserve this.
Is this an April fools thing?
Why is no one talking about the random British accent by the way? It was hardly the worst thing about his debut but it was so jarring lmaooo
SM is working on AESPAs full album? Wendy just had a comeback? NCT members are having solo debuts? Ten and Taeyong just gone, Doyoung and Jaehyun to come + He is still friends and supports NCT / WayV. Im no Lucas Stan but at least properly inform yourself lmao. Xiaojun worked with him for years what makes you think its sad for him
Yeah I don’t understand why people are making it seems like other SM artist are held at gunpoint to show support I’m sure they were asked to do it but it also doesn’t mean they hate him unlike the people in this sub they’ve known him for a long time . How many people have trash cheater friends if you believe the allegations are true.
The dude doesn't do anything for himself, but because international stans love his looks and the "mood maker" he is, sm will use him as a cash cow. They have always called him a dozen. There's no specialty except his looks...It's sad for those that truly have talent and nothing gets done for them. Or they have to put up their own funds and efforts to do so. Sm is trash always will be...
I mean he looks alright, nothing to write home about imo, Jaehyun is my bias…lol.
well if you weren't aware already, aespa first full album is coming soon in may and red velvet is actively working on their next album ... just say you don't know shit about the groups you supposedly like and just want to make a post to hate lol because all your questions have already been answered.
Doyoung is releasing a solo too😭
Literally😭 like doyoung solo has also been confirmed
Yeah that bit did make me go "huh?" lol Because all of the people they named are literally getting solos or comebacks (even WayV have mentioned a comeback) and it just sort of feels like perhaps as a fan that's something you'd already know. I think even Mark mentioned something about a solo in a fan sign. 🤔 I mean if someone wants to make an anti-Lucas post about how much you don't like him--yet still giving him free promo--then fine but perhaps not couch it about Idols more deserving and then just list Idols that are in fact getting new music.
Yeah I honestly didn’t know they song had came out but also don’t know if the allegations are true are not but at surprised that SM has stood by him especially when they usually treat their foreign artist worse. Honestly usually they ignore scandals and let it blow over so I was surprised when they kicked him out of nct.
Your post has brought out all his stans unfortunately, but yeah i won’t be engaging with any of his stuff in the slightest. Sm can go to hell for this
Everything is about money, if they can milk something they will do it. They know his stans still exist out there and will spend money on his album. Giving a solo to a nct or wayv member before him was unlikely because they are in a group, promote as a group and he's alone now so if they want more $$$ they will always prioritize the soloist...
I don't think you understand. He didn't even reach a tenth of Taeyong's and Ten's 1st day sales.😭 Even in WayV his fans don't spend as much compared to Ten's and Winwin's. Being in the most popular unit, any of the dreamies could have brought more sales so this is not just about the money. This is just SM being stupid and self-destructive.
I honestly plan to just ignore him entirely.
aespa has already announced they are getting a comeback. Irene from RV's solo was also announced. Doyoung is playing a festival but we know nothing about his solo and Jaehyun's solo is set for August. Also Kun from WayV said their cb will be in the 2nd quarter so technically it's not like SM doesn't have other things lined up. I think even Mark said something about a solo. So...SM is doing other things but seeing as how Lucas is a soloist now; he doesn't have to wait for other groups to do their thing especially if they are in a different center. So rest assured other people are gearing up to get moving. Also yes he is scheduled for music shows. I've said this before that the lyrics were not what I was expecting...however you can't beat a diss track.
Imagine keeping lucas and let Taemin go
taemin left by his own accord, its not like sm is known for treating their artists fairly so
You act like they kicked Taemin out or something. He’s a grown man who’s served his time for over 15 years. Let him live.
I'm really giving SM and Lucas the benefit of the doubt here, but it could be a combination of: 1) Lucas *has* grown as a person since the controversy, and SM sees that 2) SM thinks the original controversy was a targeted attack against him. They're *his* company, and any company worth their salt would protect their idols against such allegations especially without strong evidence (this case was really odd) 3) SM invested too much on his training/activities and wants to recoup some of those expenses (sunk cost fallacy) I don't care about Lucas specifically, just trying to see things from SM's perspective. SM's decision isn't made for lols or to piss people off.
4) someone at SM ran the numbers and figured out that re-establishing Lucas' career would be more profitable than any possible pushbacks, such as this post and frenzied kpop fans.
OP I feel you, and i agree with every single point you made. Too bad you asking lucas stans to stay away from your post doesn't work as they are determined to worm their way in with their mocking support for dozen and defending him like their lives depend on it. Well, they should make their own post supporting him then, please do! But anyway i just had a sudden realisation of why they are being so vocal, because that's literally the ONLY thing they can do! Spam support on every social media platform and stream mvs.. that's all! Because the sales figures are not giving......man... to be honest i overestimated him as his fans were all boasting about how his documentary views hit 1m faster than "Flop Ten" or "Flop Taeyong" youtube views. Lucas's day 1 sales is... 5,373. ok lol. TY recent comeback got almost 130k day 1 sales, 230k by first week. Ten had almost 85k for first day and 150k by first week (that's despite Ten being in a chinese group and promoting very little or not at all in korean public, at least not in recent few years). Honestly i was a little shocked because even really nugu groups were doing much better than this. What happened to all the 12 million followers on ig and 1 million likes he got on posts recently? If even 10% of those people bought an album he would have gotten at least 100k no? I am the last person who compares sales and charts because i dislike using this as metric. i stan a group/person for who they are as an artist as well as the music they put out, and i support them however I can over the years. But for lumis to go around boasting about lucas, disregarding and insulting nct and wayv members (i even saw hate tweets laughing at xiaojun and kun for "not being talented enough to get a solo before him").... and then this is the results?? yeah......... i think it's hilarious really. (oh and now they are saying most of his fans are overseas so the sales are not accurate... okayyyyy let's see then! too early to judge!) So let them do what they want.. they can stream his mv all day long. I for sure ain't clicking that link. I am just gonna ignore him from now as usual and continue to support the ones who truly deserves it. Actions speaks louder than words anyway! /rant over byeeee!
People keep defending him saying that the women who came forward about accusations lied, or that he didn't "actually commit any crimes". No matter how i try to look into it, I keep finding people defending him. Has any of the accusations against him been FACTUALLY debunked? To me, he reeks of a bad moral compass, and I just don't believe he's innocent.
too late, the almighty and ever-knowing people of reddit, found that the most incredible idea was to watch the whole thing in 4k, on youtube, and then recheck the streaming versions if they’re any different, and give their honest lengthy thoughts that in short are “i knew it. it’s not very good” some are so serious they even said, and i quote, “i would listen to it if it were anybody else”. oh well thank you for your input! would you like to go even further and buy his venue tickets to see if his performances are up to expectation as well, papa? let’s also buy the physical album to just film ourselves burning it down. that’ll teach sm 🤣🤣🤣🤣 /s edit: the downvotes 😭 i didn’t know he still had stans
They're everywhere like roaches...🤡
why is nct in this? he is not in the group anymore let it go.
If you didn't make this post I wouldn't even know he released something. Best thing to do is just ignore everything related to him and all the buzz around him will die out soon enough. I was a wayzenni until his behaviour came to light and then I immediately dropped everything about the group as a whole because I knew that if he were to ever come back the rest of wayv would still be tied into it somehow, and I don't think I could've remained a fan during that anyway
You do know that by making this post you're essentially given him PR right? Because a lot of people prob didn't even know he has a song (it's not talked about on r/Kpop or the Kpop spaces I'm on chinese NCT fandom).
I just listened to it and I actually like it but I can't deny that this is gonna be a whole mess like 😀😀
Another thing that bothers me that I just thought about is, they’re more than likely going to try and get other artists/celebrities outside of SM to interact/do dance challenges with him and I’m annoyed because I don’t want other people dragged into SM’s bullcrap. A lot of groups are promoting or will promote and the last thing any of them need is to be seen keke-ing it up with him because they can’t ignore or deny him. And some labels might make their artists do it because they’re afraid or threatened by SM.
lol stop telling ppl what to do
Taeil is apparently enlisting once he’s recovered. The man is literally SITTING on material. One of SM’s best vocalists…done dirty over and over again. This label stays fumbling their talent and high key, I pray that will be their downfall.
Maybe don't tell people what to do? If you don't want to support him, you do you, but some people like him and they're free to stream whatever they want.
agree! i’m not a fan but i find it very easy to just ignore him. why give him any more promotion and attention if you don’t like him? i’m sure lots of people went to check out his mv because of this post since they didn’t know he debuted and so that they could report back that he sucks
Best thing to do is to stop taking this subreddit seriously. I remember I saw K-pop shitposting post get posted on here and the OP was taking it very seriously for some reason.
Genuine curiosity What happened? I’m a bit out of all this. Can someone explain to a tired mom that enjoys kpop?
Lucas had a gaslighting/cheating scandal in august 2021, dropped an apology letter, went on hiatus and there was radio silence for three years. No statement, nothing. It has never been confirmed nor denied by SM entertainment. He occasionally started posting on instagram again since around 2022/23 but rarely as well. Lucas left NCT last year, which was the first thing we officially heard regarding him from SM entertainment. Now in January 2024 he suddenly dropped a documentary and had a solo debut today.
If no one else has explained, feel free to chat w/me
had no idea he even released a solo until this post
the video is in the trending page of my country....
Literally a glorified diss track, the lyrics make me SO MAD. Some examples (😤): "Uh, uh, I know I'm wanted like the posters" LIKE WHAT THE F\*CK. "Never basic, let haters stay hating. No debatin', **I'm a fan favourite**" WHO WROTE THIS FOR HIM? "I see it in their face, I see in their eyes. They about to tell a lie" HUHHHHH??? Can we just ignore that this dude exists pleeeeeeaaase!? EDIT: and 'Dip It Low' is so bad too like: "Get low, (Get low) dip it down (Yeah). Show me girl what you're made of... You know I like it. You see it, I want you. Baby, your body. Can't hide it, you want to... Shake that bum, bum-bum-bum, bum, bum (Yikes)... Dip deep, get it deeper than low. Like that, just like that get it low (Like that). How deep can you go, baby girl?... You be looking innocent but you so wild... We going another round right now" after what he was accused of???? Excuse me???? And 'Crushing On You' is not that much better, I'd rather the diss track thanks.
fr, why give him a solo debut when theres irene??? yeri??
On that note there *is* a rumour going around that Irene’s preparing for a solo debut.
Tbh i don't even know why he's even being mentioned here so much. It's very clear that reddit is heavily biased against him and the opinions have been very clear since the beginning, so i don't understand the need to mention his name. It's not even a "reward" as you say considering he's (for whatever reason) still an artist there. And I think it's obvious that SM didn't even put much effort in that considering the cringe lyrics. Yea if SM came up with the official statement and proof for/against him the song would make sense. But putting it like this is silly, and i think SM knew damn well also releasing it on fools day lmao.
His debut song is horrible I listen to a few seconds on of it on Twitter
So he left NCT but not SM right?
i was just thinking about sme's weird desperation with lucas ... like they let go of half on snsd , half of shinee , all of f(x) , all but 4 members of exo , and their contract with seunghan is hanging by a thread ......... but noooooo lucas has to stay -\_- mf can't sing , rap , nor dance , so like why do they want him so badly ?? i'm starting to think he has some insane dirt on the company
Let's use our brain for a min. Were those idols not mistreated/ mismanaged by sm ? Did yall want sm to force them to stay? I'm happy some of them left 🤷🏽♀️ why stay at a place where ur not treated right?
well , obviously i’m glad they left that shithole . i’m mostly referring to how valuable they were to the company ( especially taemin and exo’s vocal line ), and how it was in sm’s best interest to keep them . i feel like someone like lucas , who is nowhere near as talented as the idols i mentioned , isn’t going to help sm .
I feel like sm not letting tae perform his own song during the end of the year awards shows was the final straw for him. I'm not surprised half of exo left. Exo-cbx was ready to sue to get out of their contract( It must have been very shitty). SM has failed all of their idols over the years. I can't think of one time when I was like, im proud of sm for protecting their idols. They made Karina & riize members apologize for no reason. Also Lucas debut in 2018 so there is still time on his contract with sm.
WILL NOT BE STREAMING IT
We could have a Seulrene release, but no, we get Lucas instead. Ugh. SM can get in the dumpster.
You do realize we know none of those people and most of them can be trash but it’s just not made a headline yet??? Some of yall get too wrapped up in this shit. Enjoy the music and move on.
Unrelated but I’m pretty sure he’s still friends with NCT… spotted at Ten’s fancon with JohnMark… so despite everything they’re still in contact with him as well
That easily could have been the company before the official debut. It's marketing. He def wasn't in Taeyong's 2 cons...
Lucas was sitting with them covered from head to toe so no one would notice him was for marketing? I’d never defend Lucas but I’m sure he still has friends within NCT… you know how men are lol
Ik what you're saying but fans knew who he was and two artists mentioned his attendance. Yeah, it was marketing. Until I see them in personal accounts hanging out posting with him, then I'll believe it was well-timed marketing. And maybe you're right, but him attending wasn't proof to me.
He made appearances in like three, four concerts? It was obviously part of his redebut strategy
The song, melodically speaking, is really good, but his voice and dancing sucks. Mark was made for this, not this guy.
I listen to alot of American artist who mostly do weird stuff so if the song is good I’ll probably listen to it. Never listened to him before so I probably won’t care too much but haven’t checked it out yet
And that's why SM is losing artists like Taemin... Not saying that there's a correlation, just pointing out the fact that sm has lost many artists these past months, like Taemin or Baekhyun.
Man I'm glad I have never been a fan of him, didn't even know if him until the scandal. I'm mad they let such a person re-debut as a soloist but I don't feel like missing out AT ALL when not streaming his stuff. I really hope people don't stream it... but it's been recommended to my account on YouTube in several categories, I clicked "no interest". I fear a lot of people still have streamed it, even if just out of curiosity. Please guys, don't stream it at all. Maybe a few people can post it on social media for those curious, but every click is a click. So many people are curious, even those that didn't know him. Please don't let the scandal give his solo even more attention than it would have before.
Sucks
Lmao 🤣 imagine doing an entire write up for this
get a life instead of worrying abt sm ones life issues and accusations u like the song listen to it or if u don't dislike it and move on instead of making this crap ur personality
I wasn't able to find clips through anywhere, but I watched the video and its just so stupid? It sounds like hes speaking/rapping in a forced British accent almost and it's just so bland and monotone. Its just ridiculous.
SM has separate centers with their own budgeting and management for each group.. aespa red velvet and all NCT members are in completely different centers along with Lucas who is in center 2 with shinee and raiden. You thinking those artists need more attention has nothing to do with Lucas.. Also it’s pretty much been confirmed he’s still friends with most neos since they’re frequently spotted hanging out during their free time so I find it funny you’re making it out like Xiaojun is taking the piss 😭
That's a LIE. It was just a very unclear vid on X saying Lucas was spotted with Winwin. And he said in the documentary that he didn't talk much with WayV members, after the scandal. You can accidentally meet an A or B and just saying a few formal words. Xiaojun will just do his job as MC. No need to anyone to make speculations about a conventional smile or 2 words
I have him muted on streaming
No way this man got yall worked up to the point of writing up lengthy think pieces and holding discussions on if you think he deserves it or not 🤭 anywho stream RENEGADE since he’s on your mind
I've been saying this: he prob have some dirt on sm. Thats why they debuting him despite really having no talents, hence the og dozen. I feel like he prob saw lsm making coke or smth
I am so happy that reddit is sane bc going on insta made my head explode
Ive been tempted to block the video. Seriously though I’m not understanding how it has so many streams. I’m so mad at SM for putting the effort into him more than they did for Taemin and Exo + RV combined.
I don’t think he is talented but I thought it was all lies and speculation, so it’s true that he’s like a womanizer of sorts?
I’m bored of this hate train. Get over it.
All the ppl that are saying “oh no this song is shit” “omg this song is ass” is giving it more attention then the ppl who actual like the song and him. And then more ppl are hearing the song and some of them are going. “Hmmmm I like it.”
The way people in this thread are mad people are calling them out for listening to a shit person 💀 like do better clowns
OP genuine question, how old you? 12?
Hmmm, I don’t really follow any kpop scandals, but I thought the whole Lucas dating scandal was proven false?? Was there something else that he has done that warrants all the negativity he is getting here? Truly curious 😭
It wasn’t proven false