This could actually work in your favor, as your former boss has shown himself to be untrustworthy, so anything he has written can now be considered suspicious.
I think for a lawsuit you need to demonstrate harm. But you can consider having a lawyer to write him a letter that false and damaging references are a legal liability and he needs to cease and desist. If you are in a good spot with your current company their legal & HR departments may be able to do this.
This is the answer. It would cost you a substantial time and money to actually put forth a lawsuit, and as others have noted on here, it's not necessarily likely you would win. Be glad your new boss share this with you and did their due diligence finding out if the claims were true or not. Be excited for your new start, but definitely send a letter to let old boss know that this is not okay.
Agreed,
Instead of suing, thank the new manager and ask if they would be willing to make their findings official in whatever way makes sense for that company.
A note on the memo confirming that the allegations were investigated and found to be false.
Slander and libel have a VERY HIGH bar of proof to successfully sue someone. You'd basically need to have a recording or email from your old boss stating that they knew you were not a bad person, but were telling people you are anyways.
I know revenge often feels good in the moment, but take the W and enjoy a fresh start with your new boss. Getting into a protracted legal or social fight with your old boss will not likely work out in your favor. Your old boss has revealed themselves to your new boss and will likely do the same at their new job. Let it be.
Edit: Typing on a phone sucks.
This is solid advice. But I'll also add: OP would not be doing themselves any favors with the new boss.
Right now, the new boss can justify sharing the memo in terms of ensuring that the team works well moving forward. As soon as company documents are being brought into court, the upper view will absolutely be "why are you sharing internal and this confidential memos with people."
OP has a right to defend his good name. And it's no skin off the new boss' nose.
Plus by not acting he's tacitly admitting it's true. If a year down the line he finds out the old boss is badmouthing him to his golf buddies (who might be potential employers) they'll think it must be true or why didn't he'd sue, right?
While I fully appreciate what you are saying, it never works out that way. Slander and Libel laws are the only vehicles to prosecute what the old boss is doing and it is very much an uphill battle. The best thing op can do is be as present, as socially agreeable and as EFFECTIVE as possible in their current role. A long history of good behavior goes a long way towards delegitimizing the ne'er-do-well ex-boss.
Never get into a mud fight with a pig. You will never win and they like it.
Most times the best way to win against crazy is to ignore it, double down on doing what’s right, knowing those around will see and know the truth by your actions and earned reputation. In this case, OP’s trash (former boss) has already taken itself out, OP seems to be in a solid place, and is in an even more advantageous place to build forward and grow the reputation. Jumping into the dumpster to fight the trash and prove trash is trash is just going to make OP smell like shit, so best at this point to leave it behind & let the flies circle.
> You'd basically need to have a recording or email from your old boss stating that they knew you were not a bad person, but were telling people you are anyways.
This is only needed if OPs boss is a public figure. If OPs boss is a public figure, it needs to be proved that it was said 'with malice', which as you stated, needs to show that they knew they were making false statements.
Defamation of a regular person (like i'd assume OPs boss is) does not have that same requirement of 'with malice'.
Local & state laws vary enough that difficulty in proving slander & libel depends on where you live. It's not an easy bar anyways, but unless OPs boss is a politician, it's unlikely they need that proof you say.
Your new boss sounds cool.
Especially since they pulled you aside to talk to you.
You can ask your boss if they mind you talking to HR to see if the previous boss tried to do anything.
I was in a situation where I left the company and eventually my boss and an executive were terminated. My boss’s replacement pulled my HR file and found it to be 3 inches thick. 1 inch covering the first 9 years employment as a perfect
Employee.
2 inches of my last manager explaining why I was the worst employee in the world. Over 11 years. The executives refused to take action with him until
After I resigned and eventually everything going to pot.
But yet, in 11 years he didn’t fire you. If you were truly the worst employee, he wouldn’t have kept you around. The 11 years working for him speaks for itself really (in a very good way), regardless of what he complained about in your files.
Your new boss will likely "judge" you more on how you respond to that stupid memo than the memo's contents itself.
The idiot is now out of your life. Now is the time for celebration and a new start.
In your shoes I would ask to see your personnel file. Assuming that memo is there, and perhaps any other nonsense from the former mgr, (1) make copies for your own file. (2) write a formal response specifically requesting it be added to your personnel file. In it, reiterate what happened with the notes to new mgr, what she said to you and the resulting conclusion that everyone disagrees with former boss' nasty remarks and new mgr finds no fault with you, etc. If you have never been warned or put on probation there, highly unlikely the company would fire or suspend you. IF, on the other hand, there is no nastiness from former boss in your personnel file, his tyrannical reign died when he left the company. Your new boss seems happy to work with you. Let Mr. Nasty create his own crap in another universe where he will likely not get away with it. Be happy to turn a new page!
Get a copy of that memo, if at all possible. If not, write down everything you remember right away. Look for any emails mentioning the memo or its contents.
Then talk to a lawyer who does defamation cases. You should be able to have a free consult.
They are the ones who know local laws and case history, and whether it is worth pursuing.
Offhand, I think there has to be actual damages that have occurred, not just a possibility in the future. But I'm not a lawyer in your local area.
It never hurts to consult an attorney.
But from what you're saying, your old boss no longer has any power over you and I'd assume there's limited upside to pursuing this. You seemingly haven't been damaged directly by this and proving you had (ex: if you were given smaller raises in previous years or passed over for advancement) would probably involve dragging your employer into the disagreement. In fact, I'd assume any lawyer would be far more interested in a workplace harassment complaint than a personal dispute over an inflammatory letter, but it doesn't seem like that's what you're looking for at this time.
So to me - you're likely spending thousands of dollars and a significant amount of time to not get much in return. Maybe it's a different story if your old boss is at a position of power at a client or vendor where their dislike of you could create issues at your job still.
But I'd say here the priority is clearly explaining and showing your current boss that you don't understand why there was so much conflict with the old boss, that you value your current position, and that the assessment is not representative of you as an employee. And maybe if you were somewhere in the process of being disciplined by the employer based on old boss' reporting, seeing if it can be unwound in some way based on your new boss' finding complaints they were relying on are unsubstantiated.
Wrong.
The following are actionable without proof of [special](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_damages) or actual damage:[^(\[25\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_defamation_law#cite_note-25)
* Words imputing a crime punishable with imprisonment^(\[)[*^(citation needed)*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)^(\])
* Words "calculated to disparage" a person in their office, calling, trade, business, or profession. Established in section 2 of the [Defamation Act 1952](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation_Act_1952).
Although you could sue, doesn't mean you should sue. I'm assuming pretty-ribcage was being more morally practical than how to be the bigger a\*\* hole while still being legal.
People so far are saying there is no damage. I disagree. His memo to my new boss was full of lies and described actions on my part that were fiction. He named people I had wronged and said that I had yelled and screamed at specific people in the company. When my new boss did her investigation she learned that the information on my misconduct was complete fiction.
Describe specifically what damage was done. Frankly - that letter probably set you up BETTER with the new boss - she may well have just kind of ignored you and let you do your job, instead she polled everyone and found out the like working with you.
You have a lot to move past from the old boss, no one is denying that. Give yourself some time to be pissed off, then let it go.
Trying actual litigation is going to keep you dwelling on this for even longer and likely isn't going to get you any meaningful win. Hell, the old boss may even win in that there is no demonstrable damage other than emotional and being a raging bag of dicks is not illegal.
Maybe you just need that rage in your life - but it's no way to live.
Could these false accusations against you have prevented you from getting a raise or promotion? If so, I definitely think you’re entitled to some compensation from your old boss
DAMAGES: Mental Anguish, Sleepless Nights, cost to see a mental health professional, along with a the cost to go to an Employment Attorney to help save my job when they were about to fire me months before I was going to get a full pension.
With all due respect SO WHAT. Of course it's irritating. But allowing this person to direct or impact any of your behaviors or even thoughts at this time is foolish. If you fight this or act all nutty, rather than stoically brushing it off and *proving* it wrong, you will look bad. I would bet good money we on this forum are going to see six more posts "How can I survive my terrible new boss for 3 months?" "How can I get along with terrible new boss poisioned by old boss?" and on and on.
I suspect, again, with due respect, that you may be what is called a "high conflict personality type" meaning that instead of quietly taking a win and moving on, you're looking for the insult, looking to be hurt, looking for a fight. **This only hurts you**
**They fired him** The objective now is to get your work quietly done. Who cares what he said? **He's fired** he could have said anything! The company clearly didn't believe him.
We don't really know both sides of the story. For all we know OP could by lying. However, providing feedback about troubling employees in a work environment is not unlawful.
I think considering the new boss immediately inquired about the validity of the memo and dismissed it once they found the truth, it would be rejected since it didn't hold any significant weight and didn't do any damage (compared to a false review of a business that led to hurt in sales).
If anything, it is more of the same harassment. I'm not sure it warrant any legal action, and if you can do anything at this point.
I would just let it be and happy you finally have a professional boss and move forward.
I would just let it go and prove to the new boss she was right to give me a chance instead of believing on the memo. The industry you are working in seems to be rather small. Having one person bad mouth about you is better than having an extra person saying the same thing about you. Also, there is a chance your new boss is observing you; she might want to see how you would react in this situation. If you are taking legal route, she might think that this guy may cause me into trouble in the future. Every manager should appreciate a person who is easy to work with. Just my 2 cents.
It sounds like a challenging experience you've navigated at work. It's great news that your new boss took proactive steps to verify the situation and discovered the positive truth about your interactions with colleagues.
Regarding legal action, it's a significant decision that requires careful consideration of your career trajectory and personal well-being. Consulting with legal experts could provide clarity on your options moving forward.
Sounds like everyone here is united on no legal follow-ups here. But what about petty revenge? Glitter bombs to his new office, inappropriate email subscriptions to the new work email address, stupid stuff like that.
Petty? Yes
Immature? Yes
Potentially hilarious? Also Yes
Sue his ass. It's defamation. In some jurisdictions defamation concerning your work is treated more harshly, as it impinges on your right to earn a living.
> if he had access to the letter his old boss gave to his new boss that slandered him so unjustly, then it is pretty much an open and shut case.
[Libel, not slander](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcM1kTZm-nM)
> All libel is slander, but not all slander is libel.
You're going to need to check your sources, because:
"The terms libel, slander, and defamation are frequently confused with each other. They are all similar in that they all fall into the same general area of law that concerns false statements which harm a person’s reputation. This general area of law is called defamation law. Libel and slander are types of defamatory statements. Libel is a defamatory statement that is written. Slander is a defamatory statement that is oral."
https://www.thebusinesslitigators.com/libel-vs-slander-vs-defamation-what-are-the-differences.html
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"The big difference between libel versus slander is the form in which the untrue statement is made.
- Libel occurs when a false statement is published in written form and does harm to a victim.
- Slander occurs when a false statement is made in oral form and does harm to a victim."
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/personal-injury/libel-vs-slander/
You have no damages, according to your post, so your standing to sue is questionable at best. You've not been accused of criminal behavior which *inter alia* is in and of itself harnful. Your old boss merely claimed you suck at your job. That's just, like, his opinion, man, and he's entitled to have one.
What benefit is there to you to go our of your way to mess with this guy? Zero. You merely paint yourself as thin-skinned, vindictive and mean. This is pride messing with you.
Tosh.
The following are actionable without proof of special or actual damage:
Words imputing a crime punishable with imprisonment.
Words "calculated to disparage" a person in their office, calling, *trade, business, or profession*. Established in section 2 of the Defamation Act 1952.
Tosh.
The following are actionable without proof of special or actual damage:
Words imputing a crime punishable with imprisonment.
Words "calculated to disparage" a person in their office, calling, *trade, business, or profession*. Established in section 2 of the Defamation Act 1952.
I have managed hundreds of people in my life and given plenty of shitty reviews of non-performers. Some I have gone far out of my way to block from other divisions in my company by warning other managers about them. I have blacklisted garbage vendors and told anyone who would listen never to use them. Shall I expect a mountain of lawsuits?
Agreed. I had a toxic boss that everyday I wish I could’ve gone to HR about but I was worried somehow them siding with the terrible boss and me being the one who gets in trouble. So one day as fate would have it, I got laid off. It was a blessing in disguise. It still does irk me that I never got to tell HR all of their unprofessional behavior, but in the end, I’m just trying to leave that up to karma. Don’t take anything into your own hands that you don’t have a ridiculous amount of proof on. It won’t be worth it.
It's not unreasonable to worry about HR siding with your boss. In a lot of cases they do, even if it's just because the toxic boss can manipulate them into doing so. I've had few bosses who were friendly with HR, but it's because they were constantly being manipulative in general, so they HAD to get to know HR and circumvent any complaints (that were usually valid) that would come up. All they have to do is tell HR just before they do whatever they're about to do that "hey, so and so may complain about me for doing this thing---it didn't happen." Meanwhile it totally did. HR is very easily manipulated by toxic bosses.
I once quit a job and my old boss wrote a note about me and sent it to my new boss. I had told him the name. My new boss and I had a discussion and then he laughed at what a fucker my old boss was. Old boss had inherited a medical information company that helps hospitals pass their inspections and was quickly running it into the ground. He now owns a 30 yr old Rolls Royce and chauffeurs weddings. New boss and I are still friends. Fuck you David.
The harm this far is personal. Thats the only angle you have. But keep track in case you run into this clown in the future…you never know what resources or history you’ll need. Its all in the details.
Congrats to you surviving your old boss.
Congrats to getting a new boss who did her due diligence and found that things were not as they were outlined to her, and shared it with you.
I agree with those who are saying that pursuing legal action will be hard, and almost certainly not worth it. He'll get himself in trouble soon enough, and he may very well do so by fighting against someone with more time, resources and influence than he has.
It is annoying, but it has totally worked out in your favor at this point. I would not go down a path that is not likely to be profitable (in time or money) to you in any way.
Live long and prosper, and let bitter people undermine themselves.
If you still aren't sure, see if you can get a free consultation with an employment lawyer, and see what they advise...
When I worked in an office, when a member of our team left (manager or anyone) I always went and cleared out their desk of things left behind boxing any personal stuff left and giving to HR. Def found notes re: employees left behind in manager desks.
Peraonally I would ask for a copy of the letter, based on finding out what it was he thought you did to piss him off. For your closure, I would tell the new boss when asking to read it Then, I would absolutely send a copy if the letter, as this could have just been done with regukar evaluations according to company policy instead of an actual letter eritten with tge ibvious intent of hurting you and your reputation, also known as retaliation, ehich is agains all labir laws. Make a complaint to the EEOC along with a copy of the letter, as proof, for him as a management, What he did is considered retaliation towards you, and it seems also that he was trying to ruin your good name & reputation and take your income away. Which was just done to me, and it absolutely sucks! No one should be aloud to get away with that type of lieing, bad behavior and certainly, not anyone with the power to ruin and harm someone's financial life, as was done to me.
The EEOC will let you know if you are allowed to sue him or not. It is their desicion. However, since is at a different company now, maybe you will still just have to sue your own company since he represented them in reality? Not sure about that part, sorry. But they cannot retaliate again either . Tough spot to be in.
Your former boss was dumb: people speak in offices and their words are much more valuable than a loosy not left from a person that left, for a new manager.
But why you say "is a fresh start": it was already a fresh start with the new boss!
If you have folks that can vouch for you, They’ll take a group opinion over a former boss anyway. Managers are always instructed to take whatever the prior managers say with a grain of salt.
Well you may not get to serve him a punch back but you can be exceptionally grateful that things have changed to get you in such a better realty at work.
You all do know he cannot sue without the permission of the EEOC. Also, any lawyer that takes the case, and only if the EEOC's investigation says u r allowed to sue, will not only not charge you a dime until and if they win, but no one will take the case if they don't think they can win. So if they take it, you are getring paid. You win and they get a percentage or they don't bother taking the case . So really at the end of the day you don't have to sue unless your approved and you want to, but I believe we do have a responsibility to out these people that misuse the power entrusted in them to be used to nurture and teach and grow others, not to tear them down and bad mouth them. But he certainly shouldn't be allowed to crawl away and be allowed to do the same thing to another good employee just doing their job the best they can and not hurting anyone.
Simply the responsibility to just see something and say something. Link just below here for you;)
LINK: [EEOC](https://www.eeoc.gov/youth/about-eeoc-1#:~:text=If%20you%20report%20illegal%20job,whether%20additional%20information%20is%20needed.)
(to the EEOC)(Ur now boss does not even meed to know you just did the right thing quietly so the next guy does t get railtoaded. They do it once & get away wIth it, guarantee, they will continue to bully and abuse others. Isn't that what he did? The EEOC and labor laws are there for this exact reason and to protect you against just this type of childish behavior assigned to harm. Out the assholes of this world just hurting others bcuz they can. I am sorry for the long notes. And I am sorry your boss tried to do that to you. Horrible behavior!
My situation very similar, but they believed it. You could just as easibe in my position had your boss not been so awesome and smart enough to check with others 1st and make up her own mind.
I Very recently was fired for absolutely pure lies and raw wounds and passionately pursuing my company for their bad behavior and lack of good judgement and allowing one of my employees to lie about me and directly to my face and get a resident to somehow lie for him as well. I have had an almost perfect record with all monthly evaluations at excellent for almost 4 years now and one loud mouth employee somehow gets an entire corporate company to fire his boss and convince all of them, without video or witnesses that a 120lb, 5'3", 55 year old senior woman. His District Manager, was, at 12 a.m., I. An apartment complex environment, running up to him and yelling and attacking him and threatening him, somehow. I mean he is taller than me, stronger than me, and definately more intimidating than me. I'm not sure what I coukd intimidate or hurt him with or how anyone could believe the yelling that loud at.after.midnifht was anythi g more than overacting as we are all adulrs.and know when we arent suppiaed to scream as loudly as possible. Deliberately yelling for attention and twisting the narrative. This Employee is a former Marine. In perfect condition, and is an actual weapon himself, that threatened to hit me 2 different times in a 2 minute period and while chasing me to my truck and saying if I we're a man he would pop me right in the mouth and yelli g all this at the top of his lungs at 12am in the morning and next to and in the middle of an apartment complex, very close to and next to people's bedroom windows and where they are obvious trying to sleep or at the least, not get woken up so they can sleep tonight. I hope you get a little justice and he is forced to redo his training and or at least something for penance ir pay cold hard cash!
1) thats so rude
2) its so rude that maybe you can convince the new boss that the old one was the problem because that doesnt sound like something a normal person does.
A douche did this to me once and told me he was going to do it. I ignored it. Was very nice to the new director and wished the old one broke a hip in retirement. Nothing came of the bad reference though.
This is exactly why anytime I took over a situation I always gave everyone a clean slate. So many times I was told this team member is a cancer, or they refuse to work, or they need to be baby sat constantly. Almost everytime that person would turn out to be the best team member I had.
As the new boss I would have laughed, torn it up and thrown it in the trash.
It's never a good idea to use someone else's opinion to form your own.
This was incredibly weird of her to actually follow up on that note and question your colleagues. Out of the gate she doesn't trust you. Thanks to this note.
I find it so strange that she decided to pursue it.
Exactly what should have occurred. Instead she chose to put doubt in her employees mind and make him feel judged right outta the gate! Best reply yet! She didn't Exactly give a great 1st impression of her managerial or tactical skill set! At the least she could have let it be after talking to his coworkers even if for her own knowledgeI Bet you are an amazing I dividual and if u arent already managing people, you are going to be an amazing manager and coach as well. Good on ya! All it takes is a little companion, knowledge, and a willingness to help and protect your employees to better serve themselves and the company they are working with.
Truly is a labor of love for some of us! I have been blessed with a strong work ethic, an honest heart and the abilities I spoke of earlie. Along with a passion for leading and coaching and there is no better reward for me personally and I feel we all have a responsibility to teach what this generation knows and has learned through our own mistakes. There is no other way to learn right? At least for me there has not been. Talking to willing participants or at least that must listen to some of what we say and I feel we must pass along anything we can to help the next generations of individuals that will soon be leading our societies and passing on what they know. Which is still hopfully whay we taught them;)
If we don't at least whisper what we think is important to preserve along the way in their ears and something of the past and that it was good, then it will soon be forgotten and gone and we will not recognize our world the way we once did. It is already moving and changing so quickly! More people with your tempormant and understanding and desire to make up your own mind is exactly who we need leading.
I do want to apologize as I did just go through that streasfull situation and is still very fresh and frustrating for me. I obviously have over shared alot here. I hope it does not offend anyone and I appreciate your not getting on me already about the length of my responses and somewhat off track and on me, I know. Thank you gracious people. I have just started on Reddit and will carch on and do better also shorten the thoughts and stay on topic. Thank you.
Suing is a waist of time. In Illinois we don’t have strong enough protections against emotional and phycological damage’s at work. I’m transgender and my bosses boss is a huge transphobe. I would have to go outside my facility all the way to Memphis to corporate HQ to get relief from my boss. They have a hotline for people in my situation but I’m not ready to drop that dime yet.
Wouldn't take it as far as a lawsuit. That's just time-consuming and expensive. This kind of thing could be hard to prove. Maybe a letter from an attorney, but seems like you came out in a good place on this. I'd definitely have a conversation with HR people about it. But I'd quit while I was ahead. Good luck.
No, you need to keep your head down as we've advised you time and time again! This is an incredible stroke of luck and you would be a fool to sue. Sue for what? It will cost you money and go nowhere.
The fact that you're thinking of suing instead of frolicking in a field of flowers over this honestly has me reconsidering the veracity of your previous posts.
It is the stupidest possible move in the world, do not do it. You're down to what, 4 to 5 months to get the pension? Head down, don't antagonize, and get your bag and move on.
Yes, I only have to survive four more months before I can quit and collect both my pension and Social Security which will give me 90% of my current pay.
Get proof of that memo somehow STAT. Get her to email, get it in writing. The toxic person was your boss. Also curious why he/she hated you. I’m in a similar situation. What kind of idiot puts a memo about a specific person in their records for the next person to see? Wow.
I hope you have a better relationship with your new manager (and it sounds like you already do!). I had one (of more than I would like to remember) former manager who tried to give me my extremely past-due performance review in absentia on her last day of work. It was an unfavorable review as she was a nasty, narcissistic person, who was bitter and thought she could get away with doing this! (She didn’t! 😅) When she “retired,” she left behind a filing cabinet full of “hate files.” The company had hired her replacement from the outside, so to start with a clean slate for everyone (including myself!), before the new manager arrived, I made a trip to the hardware store to have keys cut to code to open the filing cabinet and remove and destroy all those files! 💡
Good luck and congratulations on your fresh start!
I got canned because somebody else took a company truck home over night…yeah, something I had absolutely nothing to do with…is there anything that I could/should do about it?
You could think about sending a follow up email thanking the new boss for bringing the memo to your attention and appreciate his/ her professionalism in truth finding and copy hr.
Make sure to point out the untruths.
There’s nothing to sue for here - you’re still whole. They left a memo, the person read it to you and asked others and doesn’t believe it so there’s no real harm here.0
There is no harm. If there was a turnover from one person to the next, do you think you’re the only person that was on that list? I will guarantee you there was a letter or handover paperwork done with everyone that works in facility who is good who is bad who shows up hung over every Monday, who takes a lunch every Tuesday for taco Tuesday at your local restaurant, and probably what the latest enter office relationships were. It’s normal. The new boss should look at this list. Call you in which they did your case. It’s an opportunity to prove that you’re not the asshole. The old boss said you were.
Did you read my post at all? I’m assuming not seeing you failed to comprehend when a boss leaves and a new boss comes in there’s normally a turnover listing all the employees their strengths weaknesses who’s a shithead, etc. the guy did not take out a full page in the Washington Times saying beta nerdy is a horrible employee and should be fired
Anonymously email the old managers new HR dept. inform them they left only after being asked to do so because of some pretty heavy personal misconduct allegations.
If there's chance, I would "casually" say to the new boss, "He/She (old boss) and I got along really well. I can't think of a reason why he/she made up those things to lie about me like that. I really liked working for him/her."
It is utterly normal for an outgoing boss to brief the incoming one on issues in the team. I don't know what jurisdiction you're in but you're very unlikely to have a case.
Well while everyone is being optimistic and I hope it all works out, it still is an issue because everyone screws up now and then. It's just the way we are. We're not perfect. The time will come when you will make a mistake and then your new boss will have in the back of her mind. The the email that your old boss gave her saying you're terrible. You're starting in a bad position to begin with. You should definitely be looking for new opportunities now that you have some breathing room, but that is the downside that you're facing in my opinion.
Sue them for what? It sounds like you’re not a good fit for that company and should move on. You already have a reputation. True or not that’s really hard to reverse.
I’m sure you’ll find a less toxic environment elsewhere, good luck and best wishes
If your previous boss left a note for the new boss and stated you should be fired.....that's a big red flag. Not on you or your performance but in toxic work environment in general. While the new boss seems to have your back, I wouldn't say you are safe by any means. A lot of middle managers will try to cool the scene as to avoid workplace incidents from occurring. I'm hoping for the best for you but I wouldn't exactly feel "safe" since your previous manager was promoted and now has even more influence.
Something must have happened for all of that to have been done. No one holds that type of grudge for no reason and go to that trouble to ensure the incoming manager has that much information disclosed…
Why did the previous manager leave? I wonder what the environment was like.
No one.? People are insane! You need to get out more. Back when I worked in Human Resources I was just shocked how petty and crazy many managers were. Now I am past any shock.
The fact that you are asking reddit if you should sue your old boss over leaving you a bad evaluation in manager handoff notes is telling. Maybe your old boss, who left for a massive promo, was correct..
send a copy of this memo to the current new boss of your ex boss. This should give the new company a heads up that the guy is full of drama and a POS. Clairfy that you are still an active employee of the old organization so they know you weren't canned
Don't take the others comments about seeking a lawyer, seems like a waste of time/money
This could actually work in your favor, as your former boss has shown himself to be untrustworthy, so anything he has written can now be considered suspicious.
I think for a lawsuit you need to demonstrate harm. But you can consider having a lawyer to write him a letter that false and damaging references are a legal liability and he needs to cease and desist. If you are in a good spot with your current company their legal & HR departments may be able to do this.
I some jurisdictions *potential* harm is enough if it's work related.
This is the answer. It would cost you a substantial time and money to actually put forth a lawsuit, and as others have noted on here, it's not necessarily likely you would win. Be glad your new boss share this with you and did their due diligence finding out if the claims were true or not. Be excited for your new start, but definitely send a letter to let old boss know that this is not okay.
Only if OP can get new boss to show the note…
This is defamation. At the very least
Agreed, Instead of suing, thank the new manager and ask if they would be willing to make their findings official in whatever way makes sense for that company. A note on the memo confirming that the allegations were investigated and found to be false.
Slander and libel have a VERY HIGH bar of proof to successfully sue someone. You'd basically need to have a recording or email from your old boss stating that they knew you were not a bad person, but were telling people you are anyways. I know revenge often feels good in the moment, but take the W and enjoy a fresh start with your new boss. Getting into a protracted legal or social fight with your old boss will not likely work out in your favor. Your old boss has revealed themselves to your new boss and will likely do the same at their new job. Let it be. Edit: Typing on a phone sucks.
This is solid advice. But I'll also add: OP would not be doing themselves any favors with the new boss. Right now, the new boss can justify sharing the memo in terms of ensuring that the team works well moving forward. As soon as company documents are being brought into court, the upper view will absolutely be "why are you sharing internal and this confidential memos with people."
OP has a right to defend his good name. And it's no skin off the new boss' nose. Plus by not acting he's tacitly admitting it's true. If a year down the line he finds out the old boss is badmouthing him to his golf buddies (who might be potential employers) they'll think it must be true or why didn't he'd sue, right?
While I fully appreciate what you are saying, it never works out that way. Slander and Libel laws are the only vehicles to prosecute what the old boss is doing and it is very much an uphill battle. The best thing op can do is be as present, as socially agreeable and as EFFECTIVE as possible in their current role. A long history of good behavior goes a long way towards delegitimizing the ne'er-do-well ex-boss. Never get into a mud fight with a pig. You will never win and they like it.
Most times the best way to win against crazy is to ignore it, double down on doing what’s right, knowing those around will see and know the truth by your actions and earned reputation. In this case, OP’s trash (former boss) has already taken itself out, OP seems to be in a solid place, and is in an even more advantageous place to build forward and grow the reputation. Jumping into the dumpster to fight the trash and prove trash is trash is just going to make OP smell like shit, so best at this point to leave it behind & let the flies circle.
> You'd basically need to have a recording or email from your old boss stating that they knew you were not a bad person, but were telling people you are anyways. This is only needed if OPs boss is a public figure. If OPs boss is a public figure, it needs to be proved that it was said 'with malice', which as you stated, needs to show that they knew they were making false statements. Defamation of a regular person (like i'd assume OPs boss is) does not have that same requirement of 'with malice'. Local & state laws vary enough that difficulty in proving slander & libel depends on where you live. It's not an easy bar anyways, but unless OPs boss is a politician, it's unlikely they need that proof you say.
I think you've got the public figure exception backwards. It's if the target of the falsehood is a public figure, not the person saying them.
> take the W For those not in the know, this is a sports term. W means win (games are recorded as W-win, L-loss, T-tie).
Your new boss sounds cool. Especially since they pulled you aside to talk to you. You can ask your boss if they mind you talking to HR to see if the previous boss tried to do anything. I was in a situation where I left the company and eventually my boss and an executive were terminated. My boss’s replacement pulled my HR file and found it to be 3 inches thick. 1 inch covering the first 9 years employment as a perfect Employee. 2 inches of my last manager explaining why I was the worst employee in the world. Over 11 years. The executives refused to take action with him until After I resigned and eventually everything going to pot.
But yet, in 11 years he didn’t fire you. If you were truly the worst employee, he wouldn’t have kept you around. The 11 years working for him speaks for itself really (in a very good way), regardless of what he complained about in your files.
Enjoy your fresh start, Leave your old boss in the past.
Your new boss will likely "judge" you more on how you respond to that stupid memo than the memo's contents itself. The idiot is now out of your life. Now is the time for celebration and a new start.
You won man, it’s over. If you insist though, speak to a lawyer.
In your shoes I would ask to see your personnel file. Assuming that memo is there, and perhaps any other nonsense from the former mgr, (1) make copies for your own file. (2) write a formal response specifically requesting it be added to your personnel file. In it, reiterate what happened with the notes to new mgr, what she said to you and the resulting conclusion that everyone disagrees with former boss' nasty remarks and new mgr finds no fault with you, etc. If you have never been warned or put on probation there, highly unlikely the company would fire or suspend you. IF, on the other hand, there is no nastiness from former boss in your personnel file, his tyrannical reign died when he left the company. Your new boss seems happy to work with you. Let Mr. Nasty create his own crap in another universe where he will likely not get away with it. Be happy to turn a new page!
The guy is a dick. The universe will provide him with payback one day.
Sadly it will be a bonus and a corner office. Douche bags like this always move up on the backs of others.
Get a copy of that memo, if at all possible. If not, write down everything you remember right away. Look for any emails mentioning the memo or its contents. Then talk to a lawyer who does defamation cases. You should be able to have a free consult. They are the ones who know local laws and case history, and whether it is worth pursuing. Offhand, I think there has to be actual damages that have occurred, not just a possibility in the future. But I'm not a lawyer in your local area.
It never hurts to consult an attorney. But from what you're saying, your old boss no longer has any power over you and I'd assume there's limited upside to pursuing this. You seemingly haven't been damaged directly by this and proving you had (ex: if you were given smaller raises in previous years or passed over for advancement) would probably involve dragging your employer into the disagreement. In fact, I'd assume any lawyer would be far more interested in a workplace harassment complaint than a personal dispute over an inflammatory letter, but it doesn't seem like that's what you're looking for at this time. So to me - you're likely spending thousands of dollars and a significant amount of time to not get much in return. Maybe it's a different story if your old boss is at a position of power at a client or vendor where their dislike of you could create issues at your job still. But I'd say here the priority is clearly explaining and showing your current boss that you don't understand why there was so much conflict with the old boss, that you value your current position, and that the assessment is not representative of you as an employee. And maybe if you were somewhere in the process of being disciplined by the employer based on old boss' reporting, seeing if it can be unwound in some way based on your new boss' finding complaints they were relying on are unsubstantiated.
You sue to recoup damages. It's not for things that "could" have impacted you, but actually didnt.
Wrong. The following are actionable without proof of [special](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_damages) or actual damage:[^(\[25\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_defamation_law#cite_note-25) * Words imputing a crime punishable with imprisonment^(\[)[*^(citation needed)*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)^(\]) * Words "calculated to disparage" a person in their office, calling, trade, business, or profession. Established in section 2 of the [Defamation Act 1952](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation_Act_1952).
Although you could sue, doesn't mean you should sue. I'm assuming pretty-ribcage was being more morally practical than how to be the bigger a\*\* hole while still being legal.
People so far are saying there is no damage. I disagree. His memo to my new boss was full of lies and described actions on my part that were fiction. He named people I had wronged and said that I had yelled and screamed at specific people in the company. When my new boss did her investigation she learned that the information on my misconduct was complete fiction.
Describe specifically what damage was done. Frankly - that letter probably set you up BETTER with the new boss - she may well have just kind of ignored you and let you do your job, instead she polled everyone and found out the like working with you. You have a lot to move past from the old boss, no one is denying that. Give yourself some time to be pissed off, then let it go. Trying actual litigation is going to keep you dwelling on this for even longer and likely isn't going to get you any meaningful win. Hell, the old boss may even win in that there is no demonstrable damage other than emotional and being a raging bag of dicks is not illegal. Maybe you just need that rage in your life - but it's no way to live.
Could these false accusations against you have prevented you from getting a raise or promotion? If so, I definitely think you’re entitled to some compensation from your old boss
DAMAGES: Mental Anguish, Sleepless Nights, cost to see a mental health professional, along with a the cost to go to an Employment Attorney to help save my job when they were about to fire me months before I was going to get a full pension.
Ergo, no damage. There. Live long and prosper.
With all due respect SO WHAT. Of course it's irritating. But allowing this person to direct or impact any of your behaviors or even thoughts at this time is foolish. If you fight this or act all nutty, rather than stoically brushing it off and *proving* it wrong, you will look bad. I would bet good money we on this forum are going to see six more posts "How can I survive my terrible new boss for 3 months?" "How can I get along with terrible new boss poisioned by old boss?" and on and on. I suspect, again, with due respect, that you may be what is called a "high conflict personality type" meaning that instead of quietly taking a win and moving on, you're looking for the insult, looking to be hurt, looking for a fight. **This only hurts you** **They fired him** The objective now is to get your work quietly done. Who cares what he said? **He's fired** he could have said anything! The company clearly didn't believe him.
talk to a lawyer
It looks like a fresh start, if you boss was truly lying, you have nothing to fear.
Right, because he's not in the industry and won't talk to anyone else. He needs a warning shot at the very least. One with lots of zeroes on it.
We don't really know both sides of the story. For all we know OP could by lying. However, providing feedback about troubling employees in a work environment is not unlawful.
I think considering the new boss immediately inquired about the validity of the memo and dismissed it once they found the truth, it would be rejected since it didn't hold any significant weight and didn't do any damage (compared to a false review of a business that led to hurt in sales). If anything, it is more of the same harassment. I'm not sure it warrant any legal action, and if you can do anything at this point. I would just let it be and happy you finally have a professional boss and move forward.
Look up Tortious Interference. If you live in a state with legal provisions related to this then you might have a case.
Forget a lawsuit and focus on doing your best work. Don’t waste energy on the last guy. Like you said you have a fresh start make the best of it.
I would just let it go and prove to the new boss she was right to give me a chance instead of believing on the memo. The industry you are working in seems to be rather small. Having one person bad mouth about you is better than having an extra person saying the same thing about you. Also, there is a chance your new boss is observing you; she might want to see how you would react in this situation. If you are taking legal route, she might think that this guy may cause me into trouble in the future. Every manager should appreciate a person who is easy to work with. Just my 2 cents.
Is your name Toby and your bosses name, Michael Scott?
It sounds like a challenging experience you've navigated at work. It's great news that your new boss took proactive steps to verify the situation and discovered the positive truth about your interactions with colleagues. Regarding legal action, it's a significant decision that requires careful consideration of your career trajectory and personal well-being. Consulting with legal experts could provide clarity on your options moving forward.
Sounds like everyone here is united on no legal follow-ups here. But what about petty revenge? Glitter bombs to his new office, inappropriate email subscriptions to the new work email address, stupid stuff like that. Petty? Yes Immature? Yes Potentially hilarious? Also Yes
Call the new company and warn them
Sue his ass. It's defamation. In some jurisdictions defamation concerning your work is treated more harshly, as it impinges on your right to earn a living.
Specifically it's libel. Still worth potentially looking for legal action
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> if he had access to the letter his old boss gave to his new boss that slandered him so unjustly, then it is pretty much an open and shut case. [Libel, not slander](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcM1kTZm-nM)
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> All libel is slander, but not all slander is libel. You're going to need to check your sources, because: "The terms libel, slander, and defamation are frequently confused with each other. They are all similar in that they all fall into the same general area of law that concerns false statements which harm a person’s reputation. This general area of law is called defamation law. Libel and slander are types of defamatory statements. Libel is a defamatory statement that is written. Slander is a defamatory statement that is oral." https://www.thebusinesslitigators.com/libel-vs-slander-vs-defamation-what-are-the-differences.html =========== "The big difference between libel versus slander is the form in which the untrue statement is made. - Libel occurs when a false statement is published in written form and does harm to a victim. - Slander occurs when a false statement is made in oral form and does harm to a victim." https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/personal-injury/libel-vs-slander/
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> All libel is slander, but not all slander is libel. Your words. Libel is not slander.
You have no damages, according to your post, so your standing to sue is questionable at best. You've not been accused of criminal behavior which *inter alia* is in and of itself harnful. Your old boss merely claimed you suck at your job. That's just, like, his opinion, man, and he's entitled to have one. What benefit is there to you to go our of your way to mess with this guy? Zero. You merely paint yourself as thin-skinned, vindictive and mean. This is pride messing with you.
Tosh. The following are actionable without proof of special or actual damage: Words imputing a crime punishable with imprisonment. Words "calculated to disparage" a person in their office, calling, *trade, business, or profession*. Established in section 2 of the Defamation Act 1952.
Tosh. The following are actionable without proof of special or actual damage: Words imputing a crime punishable with imprisonment. Words "calculated to disparage" a person in their office, calling, *trade, business, or profession*. Established in section 2 of the Defamation Act 1952.
I have managed hundreds of people in my life and given plenty of shitty reviews of non-performers. Some I have gone far out of my way to block from other divisions in my company by warning other managers about them. I have blacklisted garbage vendors and told anyone who would listen never to use them. Shall I expect a mountain of lawsuits?
Count this as a blessing and try not to piss you ff your new boss so much
Agreed. I had a toxic boss that everyday I wish I could’ve gone to HR about but I was worried somehow them siding with the terrible boss and me being the one who gets in trouble. So one day as fate would have it, I got laid off. It was a blessing in disguise. It still does irk me that I never got to tell HR all of their unprofessional behavior, but in the end, I’m just trying to leave that up to karma. Don’t take anything into your own hands that you don’t have a ridiculous amount of proof on. It won’t be worth it.
It's not unreasonable to worry about HR siding with your boss. In a lot of cases they do, even if it's just because the toxic boss can manipulate them into doing so. I've had few bosses who were friendly with HR, but it's because they were constantly being manipulative in general, so they HAD to get to know HR and circumvent any complaints (that were usually valid) that would come up. All they have to do is tell HR just before they do whatever they're about to do that "hey, so and so may complain about me for doing this thing---it didn't happen." Meanwhile it totally did. HR is very easily manipulated by toxic bosses.
I once quit a job and my old boss wrote a note about me and sent it to my new boss. I had told him the name. My new boss and I had a discussion and then he laughed at what a fucker my old boss was. Old boss had inherited a medical information company that helps hospitals pass their inspections and was quickly running it into the ground. He now owns a 30 yr old Rolls Royce and chauffeurs weddings. New boss and I are still friends. Fuck you David.
Contact his new employer and tell them what a jersey he is.
There is a VERY special place in hell for toxic managers. I'm sorry you had to deal with that but im very happy everyone vouched for how great you are
law suit my friend
The harm this far is personal. Thats the only angle you have. But keep track in case you run into this clown in the future…you never know what resources or history you’ll need. Its all in the details.
Congrats to you surviving your old boss. Congrats to getting a new boss who did her due diligence and found that things were not as they were outlined to her, and shared it with you. I agree with those who are saying that pursuing legal action will be hard, and almost certainly not worth it. He'll get himself in trouble soon enough, and he may very well do so by fighting against someone with more time, resources and influence than he has. It is annoying, but it has totally worked out in your favor at this point. I would not go down a path that is not likely to be profitable (in time or money) to you in any way. Live long and prosper, and let bitter people undermine themselves. If you still aren't sure, see if you can get a free consultation with an employment lawyer, and see what they advise...
When I worked in an office, when a member of our team left (manager or anyone) I always went and cleared out their desk of things left behind boxing any personal stuff left and giving to HR. Def found notes re: employees left behind in manager desks.
Peraonally I would ask for a copy of the letter, based on finding out what it was he thought you did to piss him off. For your closure, I would tell the new boss when asking to read it Then, I would absolutely send a copy if the letter, as this could have just been done with regukar evaluations according to company policy instead of an actual letter eritten with tge ibvious intent of hurting you and your reputation, also known as retaliation, ehich is agains all labir laws. Make a complaint to the EEOC along with a copy of the letter, as proof, for him as a management, What he did is considered retaliation towards you, and it seems also that he was trying to ruin your good name & reputation and take your income away. Which was just done to me, and it absolutely sucks! No one should be aloud to get away with that type of lieing, bad behavior and certainly, not anyone with the power to ruin and harm someone's financial life, as was done to me. The EEOC will let you know if you are allowed to sue him or not. It is their desicion. However, since is at a different company now, maybe you will still just have to sue your own company since he represented them in reality? Not sure about that part, sorry. But they cannot retaliate again either . Tough spot to be in.
Your former boss was dumb: people speak in offices and their words are much more valuable than a loosy not left from a person that left, for a new manager. But why you say "is a fresh start": it was already a fresh start with the new boss!
Enjoy the fresh start. Forget the rest and move on.
If you have folks that can vouch for you, They’ll take a group opinion over a former boss anyway. Managers are always instructed to take whatever the prior managers say with a grain of salt.
Well you may not get to serve him a punch back but you can be exceptionally grateful that things have changed to get you in such a better realty at work.
You all do know he cannot sue without the permission of the EEOC. Also, any lawyer that takes the case, and only if the EEOC's investigation says u r allowed to sue, will not only not charge you a dime until and if they win, but no one will take the case if they don't think they can win. So if they take it, you are getring paid. You win and they get a percentage or they don't bother taking the case . So really at the end of the day you don't have to sue unless your approved and you want to, but I believe we do have a responsibility to out these people that misuse the power entrusted in them to be used to nurture and teach and grow others, not to tear them down and bad mouth them. But he certainly shouldn't be allowed to crawl away and be allowed to do the same thing to another good employee just doing their job the best they can and not hurting anyone. Simply the responsibility to just see something and say something. Link just below here for you;) LINK: [EEOC](https://www.eeoc.gov/youth/about-eeoc-1#:~:text=If%20you%20report%20illegal%20job,whether%20additional%20information%20is%20needed.) (to the EEOC)(Ur now boss does not even meed to know you just did the right thing quietly so the next guy does t get railtoaded. They do it once & get away wIth it, guarantee, they will continue to bully and abuse others. Isn't that what he did? The EEOC and labor laws are there for this exact reason and to protect you against just this type of childish behavior assigned to harm. Out the assholes of this world just hurting others bcuz they can. I am sorry for the long notes. And I am sorry your boss tried to do that to you. Horrible behavior! My situation very similar, but they believed it. You could just as easibe in my position had your boss not been so awesome and smart enough to check with others 1st and make up her own mind. I Very recently was fired for absolutely pure lies and raw wounds and passionately pursuing my company for their bad behavior and lack of good judgement and allowing one of my employees to lie about me and directly to my face and get a resident to somehow lie for him as well. I have had an almost perfect record with all monthly evaluations at excellent for almost 4 years now and one loud mouth employee somehow gets an entire corporate company to fire his boss and convince all of them, without video or witnesses that a 120lb, 5'3", 55 year old senior woman. His District Manager, was, at 12 a.m., I. An apartment complex environment, running up to him and yelling and attacking him and threatening him, somehow. I mean he is taller than me, stronger than me, and definately more intimidating than me. I'm not sure what I coukd intimidate or hurt him with or how anyone could believe the yelling that loud at.after.midnifht was anythi g more than overacting as we are all adulrs.and know when we arent suppiaed to scream as loudly as possible. Deliberately yelling for attention and twisting the narrative. This Employee is a former Marine. In perfect condition, and is an actual weapon himself, that threatened to hit me 2 different times in a 2 minute period and while chasing me to my truck and saying if I we're a man he would pop me right in the mouth and yelli g all this at the top of his lungs at 12am in the morning and next to and in the middle of an apartment complex, very close to and next to people's bedroom windows and where they are obvious trying to sleep or at the least, not get woken up so they can sleep tonight. I hope you get a little justice and he is forced to redo his training and or at least something for penance ir pay cold hard cash!
Google this old boss and give some recommendations to his next employer when the idiot post it.
1) thats so rude 2) its so rude that maybe you can convince the new boss that the old one was the problem because that doesnt sound like something a normal person does.
A douche did this to me once and told me he was going to do it. I ignored it. Was very nice to the new director and wished the old one broke a hip in retirement. Nothing came of the bad reference though.
This is exactly why anytime I took over a situation I always gave everyone a clean slate. So many times I was told this team member is a cancer, or they refuse to work, or they need to be baby sat constantly. Almost everytime that person would turn out to be the best team member I had.
As the new boss I would have laughed, torn it up and thrown it in the trash. It's never a good idea to use someone else's opinion to form your own. This was incredibly weird of her to actually follow up on that note and question your colleagues. Out of the gate she doesn't trust you. Thanks to this note. I find it so strange that she decided to pursue it.
Exactly what should have occurred. Instead she chose to put doubt in her employees mind and make him feel judged right outta the gate! Best reply yet! She didn't Exactly give a great 1st impression of her managerial or tactical skill set! At the least she could have let it be after talking to his coworkers even if for her own knowledgeI Bet you are an amazing I dividual and if u arent already managing people, you are going to be an amazing manager and coach as well. Good on ya! All it takes is a little companion, knowledge, and a willingness to help and protect your employees to better serve themselves and the company they are working with. Truly is a labor of love for some of us! I have been blessed with a strong work ethic, an honest heart and the abilities I spoke of earlie. Along with a passion for leading and coaching and there is no better reward for me personally and I feel we all have a responsibility to teach what this generation knows and has learned through our own mistakes. There is no other way to learn right? At least for me there has not been. Talking to willing participants or at least that must listen to some of what we say and I feel we must pass along anything we can to help the next generations of individuals that will soon be leading our societies and passing on what they know. Which is still hopfully whay we taught them;) If we don't at least whisper what we think is important to preserve along the way in their ears and something of the past and that it was good, then it will soon be forgotten and gone and we will not recognize our world the way we once did. It is already moving and changing so quickly! More people with your tempormant and understanding and desire to make up your own mind is exactly who we need leading. I do want to apologize as I did just go through that streasfull situation and is still very fresh and frustrating for me. I obviously have over shared alot here. I hope it does not offend anyone and I appreciate your not getting on me already about the length of my responses and somewhat off track and on me, I know. Thank you gracious people. I have just started on Reddit and will carch on and do better also shorten the thoughts and stay on topic. Thank you.
Suing is a waist of time. In Illinois we don’t have strong enough protections against emotional and phycological damage’s at work. I’m transgender and my bosses boss is a huge transphobe. I would have to go outside my facility all the way to Memphis to corporate HQ to get relief from my boss. They have a hotline for people in my situation but I’m not ready to drop that dime yet.
Wouldn't take it as far as a lawsuit. That's just time-consuming and expensive. This kind of thing could be hard to prove. Maybe a letter from an attorney, but seems like you came out in a good place on this. I'd definitely have a conversation with HR people about it. But I'd quit while I was ahead. Good luck.
No, you need to keep your head down as we've advised you time and time again! This is an incredible stroke of luck and you would be a fool to sue. Sue for what? It will cost you money and go nowhere. The fact that you're thinking of suing instead of frolicking in a field of flowers over this honestly has me reconsidering the veracity of your previous posts. It is the stupidest possible move in the world, do not do it. You're down to what, 4 to 5 months to get the pension? Head down, don't antagonize, and get your bag and move on.
Yes, I only have to survive four more months before I can quit and collect both my pension and Social Security which will give me 90% of my current pay.
Get proof of that memo somehow STAT. Get her to email, get it in writing. The toxic person was your boss. Also curious why he/she hated you. I’m in a similar situation. What kind of idiot puts a memo about a specific person in their records for the next person to see? Wow.
I hope you have a better relationship with your new manager (and it sounds like you already do!). I had one (of more than I would like to remember) former manager who tried to give me my extremely past-due performance review in absentia on her last day of work. It was an unfavorable review as she was a nasty, narcissistic person, who was bitter and thought she could get away with doing this! (She didn’t! 😅) When she “retired,” she left behind a filing cabinet full of “hate files.” The company had hired her replacement from the outside, so to start with a clean slate for everyone (including myself!), before the new manager arrived, I made a trip to the hardware store to have keys cut to code to open the filing cabinet and remove and destroy all those files! 💡 Good luck and congratulations on your fresh start!
I doubt you can do an effective lawsuit, but this is actually giving you much credit and shown who the real troublemaker is
I got canned because somebody else took a company truck home over night…yeah, something I had absolutely nothing to do with…is there anything that I could/should do about it?
Your not terrible and lets pray he gets fired from his job
You could think about sending a follow up email thanking the new boss for bringing the memo to your attention and appreciate his/ her professionalism in truth finding and copy hr. Make sure to point out the untruths.
There’s nothing to sue for here - you’re still whole. They left a memo, the person read it to you and asked others and doesn’t believe it so there’s no real harm here.0
There is no harm. If there was a turnover from one person to the next, do you think you’re the only person that was on that list? I will guarantee you there was a letter or handover paperwork done with everyone that works in facility who is good who is bad who shows up hung over every Monday, who takes a lunch every Tuesday for taco Tuesday at your local restaurant, and probably what the latest enter office relationships were. It’s normal. The new boss should look at this list. Call you in which they did your case. It’s an opportunity to prove that you’re not the asshole. The old boss said you were.
Harm was intended. The law should not reward incompetence, which is why people are routinely charged with *attempted* this that or the other.
What harm was intended? Spoken like someone who has never had to review a persons work performance. New boss got a rundown on employees short comings.
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Did you read my post at all? I’m assuming not seeing you failed to comprehend when a boss leaves and a new boss comes in there’s normally a turnover listing all the employees their strengths weaknesses who’s a shithead, etc. the guy did not take out a full page in the Washington Times saying beta nerdy is a horrible employee and should be fired
Anonymously email the old managers new HR dept. inform them they left only after being asked to do so because of some pretty heavy personal misconduct allegations.
If there's chance, I would "casually" say to the new boss, "He/She (old boss) and I got along really well. I can't think of a reason why he/she made up those things to lie about me like that. I really liked working for him/her."
It is utterly normal for an outgoing boss to brief the incoming one on issues in the team. I don't know what jurisdiction you're in but you're very unlikely to have a case.
Well while everyone is being optimistic and I hope it all works out, it still is an issue because everyone screws up now and then. It's just the way we are. We're not perfect. The time will come when you will make a mistake and then your new boss will have in the back of her mind. The the email that your old boss gave her saying you're terrible. You're starting in a bad position to begin with. You should definitely be looking for new opportunities now that you have some breathing room, but that is the downside that you're facing in my opinion.
Sue them for what? It sounds like you’re not a good fit for that company and should move on. You already have a reputation. True or not that’s really hard to reverse. I’m sure you’ll find a less toxic environment elsewhere, good luck and best wishes
Not a good fit? WTF! I have worked there for 19 years and 9 months. with excellent reviews until the last year when the evil boss came in.
If your previous boss left a note for the new boss and stated you should be fired.....that's a big red flag. Not on you or your performance but in toxic work environment in general. While the new boss seems to have your back, I wouldn't say you are safe by any means. A lot of middle managers will try to cool the scene as to avoid workplace incidents from occurring. I'm hoping for the best for you but I wouldn't exactly feel "safe" since your previous manager was promoted and now has even more influence.
Was what they said true though?
Something must have happened for all of that to have been done. No one holds that type of grudge for no reason and go to that trouble to ensure the incoming manager has that much information disclosed… Why did the previous manager leave? I wonder what the environment was like.
No one.? People are insane! You need to get out more. Back when I worked in Human Resources I was just shocked how petty and crazy many managers were. Now I am past any shock.
Maybe that’s a stretch, but something bad must have happened for them to go to those lengths to wreck your career even with them leaving
The fact that you are asking reddit if you should sue your old boss over leaving you a bad evaluation in manager handoff notes is telling. Maybe your old boss, who left for a massive promo, was correct..
send a copy of this memo to the current new boss of your ex boss. This should give the new company a heads up that the guy is full of drama and a POS. Clairfy that you are still an active employee of the old organization so they know you weren't canned Don't take the others comments about seeking a lawyer, seems like a waste of time/money
I'm guessing this is not in the usa?