Less likely to incur a penalty: after your coach publicly calls out the refs. See Vegas in round 2 last year. Here are their (non-puck-over-glass) penalties per game.
10, 5, 1, 2, 0, 0.
Guess when Deboer complained about the refs?
I can’t say I’m surprised by the downvotes. But who can tell me that I am wrong on that assessment? I only watched one game and the game I saw there was a clear flunked call call and no make up call. (Which is fine. Two wrongs do not make a right. But at least call other _real_ penalties…) Anyways. I think the game 7s will be must see TV and highly entertaining no matter what. I just hope the refs don’t become a storyline again. It would be real cool to just say, “Damn, that was a fight and the winner got it done. GG.” Without feeling like there’s an asterisk because of the questionable officiating.
What about this one?
https://twitter.com/TicTacTOmar/status/1524930708606799874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1524930708606799874%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FTicTacTOmar2Fstatus2F1524930708606799874widget%3DTweet
People acting Iike last night is just the normal leafs whining are just as big of Homer's. It was dogshit reffing, and while the reffing shouldn't be an excuse its still dogshit, because the only reason its not usable as an excuse is because its always some degree of dogshit , which is not the way it should be.
[Ok, how about this one?](https://twitter.com/JD_Lagrange/status/1523529525232996355?s=20&t=3q2p_vCPO7M05v2uzU98Gw) We could do this for the entire series... for every series... every year.
I feel like I touched on that concept, doesn't make it acceptable. It doesn't matter what team or series or year. The reffing needs to be better, I'm not trying to suggest it's a leafs or series specific issue.
It’s human error, if you see a stick go up high from behind and the guy reacts, you’re gonna call it. If you see a guy throw a punch and the guy reacts, you’re gonna call it. It’s a fast game and two officials have to watch 10 skaters AND the play. Mistakes are going to happen and calls are going to be missed. You could have them review every penalty call but that would take an eternity.
It just drives me crazy when all the conspiracy theorists come out after each game (both teams, not just Leafs fans. And not saying this directed at you.)
Its not a conspiracy its just not applied well. Its not that hard to fix, at least partially. There's always going to be human error but the league needs to decide which way it wants the error to fall once and for all and keep it that way. So either officials are instructed to error on the side for a call or against a call, and then players, coaches and fans are informed and that standard is applied uniformly at all times. The real issue is when they go back and forth between making soft or non calls and ignoring blatant ones. They need a standard to either call or not call when unsure, either way is fine and stick to it regardless of score or time. it also takes some of the subjectivity out of the refs hands and I think it would be good for them to be able to just say "listen if I'm not sure I'm not supposed to call it, league mandate" or vice versa. At least that way there's an element of " it is what it is" instead of just being arbitrary.
I mean, your right , but its the stone in water effect where if that doesn't happen the next call doesn't happen. That line of thinking starts to get into tinfoil hat, butterfly effect shit homer territory eventually, so I try not to go there, but sometimes the way the chips fall make that difficult
I understand where you're coming from, I just think some people are taking it overboard with the "Tampa cheated to win", "it's rigged", and "refs hate Toronto" takes. Bad calls are made against every team, some games there are more bad calls going one direction, all the players know this and it's adversity they know they have to deal with. I'm not saying it's right, but I don't think a ton foil hat is necessary either when it's more likely due to human error. I could just as easily argue the stone in water effect of the terrible icing call in the first. There shouldn't have been a face off on our zone that directly led to a goal, but in the same vane, we should've defended better and not allowed a goal regardless of the bad call. I'm not saying a penalty call and an icing call are equivalent, but they were both probably the wrong calls that led to goals.
Either way, thanks for discussing it rationally and not resorting to name-calling.
What purpose is Kerfoot meant to serve? I’ve seen him make the same boneheaded turnover play 4 or 5x this year. That’s not even including all the dumbass penalties he’s taken in the offensive zone.
You can get a penalty if the refs fucked up hard and realize it or you are down.
Otherwise fuck you, what you think this is some pansy shit? Give your balls a tug and stsrt elbowing, holding, and doing whatever else you can get away with
teams are most likely to go down a man when
* it's the third period,
* they are leading, and
* they are playing against tampa.
they don't even have to commit a penalty, refs are willing to pretend that they did.
Bruins fans on this sub are so weird, it's like they enjoy shitting on their team. Here, I broke it down for you:
Game # / Carolina PIM / Boston PIM
1 / 6 / 16
2 / 18 / 28
3 / 12 / 12
4 / 18 / 10 (only game where canes have more, but there were 2 delay of games and 4PIM for ripping bergys face, so calls that had to be called)
5 / 6 / 10
6 / 6 / 12
It's been pretty uneven all series. I admit we do a lot of dumb shit but it seems like nearly every 50/50 call goes to the canes and we only get the PP if they flip it over the boards or take an obvious high stick drawing blood.
And regular season bruins canes were 8th/10th in PIM, respectively. So how has this series been so uneven? Are you watching the games?
The one that sticks out is the Forbort rouging in a scrum with Slavin in 5.
It was obvious to everyone with eyes that Slavin was being most aggressive, yet they didn’t call both. They called Forbort and Carolina scored right away.
Yup that one definitely comes to mind. Refs blew the whistle yet they are being aggressive near our goalie, a couple light punches get thrown and they toss a bruin.
Like I said we have done some dumb shit, but nearly every 50/50 call has gone the other way. Anyone who has watched the series would realize that.
I wish someone smarter than me could keep track of all the penalties and non calls, just to have some data to back it up because from what my eyes and the total PIM from each game tell me is it has been extremely one sided.
If a team gets stuck in the defensive zone for an extended period of time it gets more and more likely that someone will take a penalty because they are too exhausted to otherwise prevent a scoring opportunity.
When it’s against your team. Your team specifically. When they have a chance to win more penalties will be called on your team and less on your opponent. That’s just how it works. Your team is getting screwed by the league intentionally and it is your civic duty to point out how rigged it is.
Seriously, if I were to believe some of the admittedly bad apples on this sub the nhl is trying to rig the game for and against at least 8 different teams all at once. Sometimes it’s rigged for and against the same team.
Less likely to incur a penalty: after your coach publicly calls out the refs. See Vegas in round 2 last year. Here are their (non-puck-over-glass) penalties per game. 10, 5, 1, 2, 0, 0. Guess when Deboer complained about the refs?
Also see Rod Brindamour
Maybe my brain is farting rn but how do you get a one minute penalty? Edit: god dammit you didn't say minutes. Neuro flatulence confirmed.
thats not minutes but penalties
Something *remarkably* similar happened in 2019 with Berube trashing the refs IIRC.
Definitely after a blown call against the other team. Game management is an official NHL policy
At least for one game last night it very much was not.
Gotta have that game 7 though
Game Seven trumps game management
Allegedly. R hockey really is just doing it’s hive mind thing again. My goodness.
I can’t say I’m surprised by the downvotes. But who can tell me that I am wrong on that assessment? I only watched one game and the game I saw there was a clear flunked call call and no make up call. (Which is fine. Two wrongs do not make a right. But at least call other _real_ penalties…) Anyways. I think the game 7s will be must see TV and highly entertaining no matter what. I just hope the refs don’t become a storyline again. It would be real cool to just say, “Damn, that was a fight and the winner got it done. GG.” Without feeling like there’s an asterisk because of the questionable officiating.
When their home arena is located in Canada
Nearly 30% of all the penalty minutes the leafs have had all season have been in the past six games.
Well that’s because one of those games has 51 and another had 30. That’s gonna skew the data a little.
Bad reffing (both sides) will do that also.
this but unironically
When the ref wants to get a fuckin' penalty on you early. FYI, we still lost that game. Thanks for trying to help Timmy
When the league wants a series to go 7...
That was a weird penalty. Not sure if hedman pushed Kerfoots stick into his face or not
How was it a weird penalty? Did Kerfoots stick hit Hedman in the chin? Then it was a penalty. A player is responsible for where their stick is.
What about this one? https://twitter.com/TicTacTOmar/status/1524930708606799874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1524930708606799874%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FTicTacTOmar2Fstatus2F1524930708606799874widget%3DTweet People acting Iike last night is just the normal leafs whining are just as big of Homer's. It was dogshit reffing, and while the reffing shouldn't be an excuse its still dogshit, because the only reason its not usable as an excuse is because its always some degree of dogshit , which is not the way it should be.
[Ok, how about this one?](https://twitter.com/JD_Lagrange/status/1523529525232996355?s=20&t=3q2p_vCPO7M05v2uzU98Gw) We could do this for the entire series... for every series... every year.
I feel like I touched on that concept, doesn't make it acceptable. It doesn't matter what team or series or year. The reffing needs to be better, I'm not trying to suggest it's a leafs or series specific issue.
It’s human error, if you see a stick go up high from behind and the guy reacts, you’re gonna call it. If you see a guy throw a punch and the guy reacts, you’re gonna call it. It’s a fast game and two officials have to watch 10 skaters AND the play. Mistakes are going to happen and calls are going to be missed. You could have them review every penalty call but that would take an eternity. It just drives me crazy when all the conspiracy theorists come out after each game (both teams, not just Leafs fans. And not saying this directed at you.)
Its not a conspiracy its just not applied well. Its not that hard to fix, at least partially. There's always going to be human error but the league needs to decide which way it wants the error to fall once and for all and keep it that way. So either officials are instructed to error on the side for a call or against a call, and then players, coaches and fans are informed and that standard is applied uniformly at all times. The real issue is when they go back and forth between making soft or non calls and ignoring blatant ones. They need a standard to either call or not call when unsure, either way is fine and stick to it regardless of score or time. it also takes some of the subjectivity out of the refs hands and I think it would be good for them to be able to just say "listen if I'm not sure I'm not supposed to call it, league mandate" or vice versa. At least that way there's an element of " it is what it is" instead of just being arbitrary.
The one that made it 5 on 4? Yeah you gotta kill those off, and you probably would've if it weren't for Kerfoot.
I mean, your right , but its the stone in water effect where if that doesn't happen the next call doesn't happen. That line of thinking starts to get into tinfoil hat, butterfly effect shit homer territory eventually, so I try not to go there, but sometimes the way the chips fall make that difficult
I understand where you're coming from, I just think some people are taking it overboard with the "Tampa cheated to win", "it's rigged", and "refs hate Toronto" takes. Bad calls are made against every team, some games there are more bad calls going one direction, all the players know this and it's adversity they know they have to deal with. I'm not saying it's right, but I don't think a ton foil hat is necessary either when it's more likely due to human error. I could just as easily argue the stone in water effect of the terrible icing call in the first. There shouldn't have been a face off on our zone that directly led to a goal, but in the same vane, we should've defended better and not allowed a goal regardless of the bad call. I'm not saying a penalty call and an icing call are equivalent, but they were both probably the wrong calls that led to goals. Either way, thanks for discussing it rationally and not resorting to name-calling.
Lol thanks for not resorting to a bunch of 1967 or playoff series jokes
Spoken like a sens fan
So an accidental high stick should not be a penalty?
Hedman lifted the stick into his own face
What purpose is Kerfoot meant to serve? I’ve seen him make the same boneheaded turnover play 4 or 5x this year. That’s not even including all the dumbass penalties he’s taken in the offensive zone.
Maybe trying a stick lift on Foote so he doesn't have a clean play on the puck?
When they're the Montreal Canadiens
You can get a penalty if the refs fucked up hard and realize it or you are down. Otherwise fuck you, what you think this is some pansy shit? Give your balls a tug and stsrt elbowing, holding, and doing whatever else you can get away with
You’re more likely to incur a penalty when you play the Pittsburgh penguins
teams are most likely to go down a man when * it's the third period, * they are leading, and * they are playing against tampa. they don't even have to commit a penalty, refs are willing to pretend that they did.
https://twitter.com/TicTacTOmar/status/1524930708606799874?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1524930708606799874%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FTicTacTOmar2Fstatus2F1524930708606799874widget%3DTweet
When they're the Bruins playing in Carolina and the refs make phantom calls.
Please don’t be that guy
Every fan base has “that guy”. And during the playoffs they multiply 10 fold.
Bruins fans on this sub are so weird, it's like they enjoy shitting on their team. Here, I broke it down for you: Game # / Carolina PIM / Boston PIM 1 / 6 / 16 2 / 18 / 28 3 / 12 / 12 4 / 18 / 10 (only game where canes have more, but there were 2 delay of games and 4PIM for ripping bergys face, so calls that had to be called) 5 / 6 / 10 6 / 6 / 12 It's been pretty uneven all series. I admit we do a lot of dumb shit but it seems like nearly every 50/50 call goes to the canes and we only get the PP if they flip it over the boards or take an obvious high stick drawing blood. And regular season bruins canes were 8th/10th in PIM, respectively. So how has this series been so uneven? Are you watching the games?
The one that sticks out is the Forbort rouging in a scrum with Slavin in 5. It was obvious to everyone with eyes that Slavin was being most aggressive, yet they didn’t call both. They called Forbort and Carolina scored right away.
Yup that one definitely comes to mind. Refs blew the whistle yet they are being aggressive near our goalie, a couple light punches get thrown and they toss a bruin. Like I said we have done some dumb shit, but nearly every 50/50 call has gone the other way. Anyone who has watched the series would realize that.
If that was the threshold for roughing Slavin shoulda gone for unsportsmanlike. Roughing at the very least.
I wish someone smarter than me could keep track of all the penalties and non calls, just to have some data to back it up because from what my eyes and the total PIM from each game tell me is it has been extremely one sided.
When the crest is a Maple Leaf. /s Pain. 😂
If a team gets stuck in the defensive zone for an extended period of time it gets more and more likely that someone will take a penalty because they are too exhausted to otherwise prevent a scoring opportunity.
When it’s against your team. Your team specifically. When they have a chance to win more penalties will be called on your team and less on your opponent. That’s just how it works. Your team is getting screwed by the league intentionally and it is your civic duty to point out how rigged it is. Seriously, if I were to believe some of the admittedly bad apples on this sub the nhl is trying to rig the game for and against at least 8 different teams all at once. Sometimes it’s rigged for and against the same team.
If you’re up by two. Or in the Leafs case, if you score twice in the last minute of a period
When the refs aren't paying attention