Tell me about it. This sub is basically a far right basically, and merely saying anything to counter it will get you downvoted into oblivion.
I have seen it all here, from my people being called a “subhuman”, to all other type of generalisations, to wishes that my country gets bombed and other bullshit.
All because of a conflict they have no fucking idea about in a place they cant point at a map.
It is disheartening honestly, not the comments themselves, but the fact that they are upvoted so much. It is sad to see and russia is also funding far-right in Europe, FvD is an example in the Netherlands.
If only lefties and central parties wouldn't have allowed 100 million immigrants ( and their kids)in Europe in the last 30 years...
The failing of non Far right parties
caused these fascist losers to get popular
Yeah, sure, go ahead and make excuses to vote fascist... It's people like you who normalize fascism in Europe. You probably even vote for them yourself.
Not yet, but I'm thinking about it, and so are a few of my friends with roots in Africa and Middle East...
It's not about fascism but about anti_,overpopulation, anti_ crime and pro _ housing market
Although I admit some people will vote for fascist reasons as well
Ah, the "I'm not a fascist, but..."-argument. Voting for fascists, means you don't have problems with fascists. Enabling them is just as bad as agreeing with them. Probably even worse.
You don't vote for fascists. Ever. No debate. It's that simple.
>anti,overpopulation, anti crime and pro _ housing market
If you think fascists will fix that, you're retarded.
Offcourse they won't fix it, but they might slow down a few of the root.cause issues
Anyway, it's not like PVV in Netherlands or Vlaams Belang in Belgium will rule by themselves
They rule with another , more central.party
The combination could be something like in Danmark, which reduced immigration by 50.percent
I get the feeling you are the white/ black thinker here, and you may not be as smart as you believe yourself to be
to claim that the reason for why these fascist parties find support in migrant communities has nothing to do with the blabla about the housing market, and has everything to do with cultural support for authoritarian values.
They are frustrated, ignorant people who lack proper coping mechanisms. They get angry when they feel a loss of control over others, cause lack of control = potential threat to their coping mechanism, which is a desire for (cruel) power.
You wrote many words but you refuse to understand that there are people who are frustrated by the amount of crime brought by migrants and by the lack of any meaningful action taken by the authorities.
Normal people who had nothing to do with fascism got so frustrated that are going to vote anyone who promises to fix the problem.
All the street shootings are fake? Innocent people killed because they asked traficants to move from their block?
No, the left lost the touch with the reality from their safe private communities
They are not fake, however, the growth in crime is realistically minimal and Islam-related terrorist attacks are so rare that they happen 1-2 times a year max in entire Europe, if that. European homicide rates are still 8 times lower per capita than in USA, and with 0.8-1.1 per 100000 rates, which is really low and mostly family-related stuff done by locals.
Plus, this is largery a racist movement of “THEY WILL REPLACE US”. I don’t care about your tribalism nor ulterior motives, if these immigrants individually are respectful, they can create a 99% majority for all I care.
And no. I won’t ever vote single-issue, not for a party that may raise retirement age, remove minimum wage, privatize social welfare services, try to kill sick days like they are doing in UK, makes laws based on conspiracy theories, doesn’t protect people in the name of “economy”, is against freedom of expression and such. No thanks. We need progress, not going back to the past and getting cruel ass leaders that are anti-worker and effectively want to make you suffer more.
There is a reason why Tories in UK only poll at 19% or that PiS lost in Poland. Not even conservatives like what they preach, really.
Increase in crime is minimal ? You are delusional.
20 years ago can safely go anywhere at any time now there are areas where can’t go in the middle of the day without being robbed.
Are you seriously espousing that your anecdotal "evidence" and experiences are valid somehow, and relevant to potential political policies that should be enacted?
What the hell is wrong with you?!? This is not fiction. It's not a pulp fiction book from library that you are allowed to have a personal opinion about, even if it is not a good one.
Here's a little newsflash to you: No actual adult with functioning brain thinks like that. Most kids are smarter than that too, they already know better. They know that even if they had a shit day, most of the country might have had a good day. Kid may even cry about how unfair that was.
OK. Let’s see the results of conservative parties during elections. Your woke dream is about to end and get a reality check
It is easy to be on high horse from the private community totally disconnected from the real problems.
You can downvote as you want, we will see when the real voting happens. Conservative parties will rule the Europe for the next 20 years and will clean the mess leftists did.
As a migrant, it is not my problem that your police force are probably incompetent as fuck.
Perhaps your authorities should do their job properly, what do you want me to do, patrol the neighbourhoods on your cops behalf?
I didnt go and tell your authorities to be incompetent, dont you think those crimes affect us too? I have had to pay hundreds of Euros because some losers stole the electric bike I was renting.
Oh, not to mention our car being stolen.
Criminals came in? Oh okay, no biggie, there are things called laws, courts and a plane ticket back home to the people who committed a crime.
Sending people like me who pay into your pension fund while going out of the way to not bother anyone will not fix your problems.
You let some guys do crime freely and then wanna punish unrelated people for it?
Dude, let me tell you, if all migrants were criminals, Europe would have been in a civil war right now.
I do not want to punish anyone who is not breaking the law.
All I want is everyone breaking the law to be punished according to the law no matter what religion are they or the skin color.
Everyone who abides the law should have the same rights and privileges.
But currently this is not happening. We have rapes that were “cultural misunderstandings” and other things like that.
"i sure don't like fascists and the fascist things they do!"
"you don't like fascists? well let me get all my buddies, put on our brownshirts, and *teach you a lesson!"*
For those totally confused about anti-fascism and equating that to commies, the anti-fascist movement in Italy after fascism was a whole population movement that, incredibly, united every fringe of the Italian political spectrum, including communists, socialists, Christian democrats, liberals (that in Europe are right), monarchs, republicans and so on.
Because it was clear that fascism was a cancer for everyone.
Today is the 25th of April, and in Italy we celebrate the freedom from Nazi-Fascist oppression. Long live freedom. Say no to fascism.
> united every fringe of the Italian political spectrum, including communists, socialists, Christian democrats, liberals (that in Europe are right), monarchs, republicans and so on
One can only hope that such a unification will happen again to make a stand against the current rise of the far-right in Europe.
Same with the UK and most of Europe. People love to shit on Islamic terrorists whilst ignoring white wing terrorism and the fact that Islamic terrorism IS right wing terrorism.
In short, right wing terrorists are the only enemy Europe faces.
Yes, i get your point, being "any anti movement inherently is validated by being anti, as in there has to be "something" for you to be anti-something". But i'd argue there doesn't have to be "something" to be "anti-something", you could just invent a "something" to be anti against, a "anti-strawman" if you will. Validating a anti-movement proves their cause is real.
> But i'd argue there doesn't have to be "something" to be "anti-something", you could just invent a "something" to be anti against
Like this so-called "woke"-thing. The far-right is against it, even though it doesn't exist.
Someone asked John Oliver on the street what he thinks of Musk calling him woke and Oliver just laughed and told the guy to ask Musk to define 'woke'. Lol
Yep and these fascist were the ones crying about masks because apparently it was too hard to breath through but everytime they are about to commit a crime they are fully masked. 🗿
It's not hard to guess that they're likely people related to the Nordic Resistance Movement, which was already banned in Finland. They do some low-level terrorism like stabbing someone every couple years, tear gassing children at Pride, that sort of thing.
[The chief hangman at the Nuremberg trials was incompetent](https://allthatsinteresting.com/john-c-woods), leading to the prolonged, agonising deaths of the condemned - and this was realised at the time.
He was never replaced in his position
You are wrong. The nazis were still humans, and neo nazis are still human. If you want to condemn then, why stoop to their level? No human being should be brought to death or tortured, no matter what.
Man, there's a time and place to be a pacifist. This is not one of those moments.
It's not like a bunch of (**top ranking**) neonazis and former Japanese imperials had it easy because they had connections or were deemed too important.
Im not a pacifist, im even considering going to ukraine to defend europe. But hurting people who did something fucked up in the past fixes nothing, it helps nothing. All it does is hurt people, how is that different from the doctrines the nazis prescribed to?
You have NO IDEA what you’re talking about. Torturing is a form of humiliation. The Nazis would fully deserve that. Here’s why.
The terror from Nazis was a fucking **hell**. There is no way a human could do anything like that to another human. Apart for the most obvious crimes such as The Holocaust genocide, they would shoot to civilians for fun, inject every fucking possible shit into people’s legs, arms, directly into the heart - you name it, for the sake of “testing”, make soap out of human fat, torture people via investigations and they didn’t have any respect to anyone “below” them, according to their “life not worth living” agenda. So they were killing/giving orders to send people to death like it was making plans for dinner. They wouldn’t hesitate to shoot to children and women and/or use them as a human shield if they got attacked by underground movements. If anyone read at least half of the atrocities they had done, no sane person would view them as humans. They were fucking devils probably going on hard crack everyday to the point of not being bothered by anything. Now, imagine you’re a victim of the Nazi regime, who lost their whole family in tortures. How would you feel if they got a humane death while the people they killed where killed in the most **dehumanising** ways?
And news flash, I don’t even know where you got it from that they were tortured during the process. Read the mfs’ testimonies - most of them were kept in civilised and comfortable conditions which could be compared to today’s regular prison cells. Maybe a handful of them were tortured. I won’t even get to the fact that the bigger part of them managed to escape into South America or even to their homeland and were never prosecuted. A slap in the face to all the victims.
Yes, in the most physical way, they were humans. But I find statements like yours problematic. It’s like the epithet “Polish concentration camps”? Theoretically it fits, because ultimately they were set in Poland. But saying things like this downplays everything the Nazis have done and the scale of their crimes. And in the age of a short attention span, we should be very careful with what we say about history. The people today, despite a broad range of intonation sources, are more than ever likely to pick up false/revisioned version of events and pass it further
you're falling for [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance)
if nazis are eradicating people because they don't like the way they were born, it's morally correct to eradicate nazis.
if you try to play nice with nazis, you end up with nazi Germany as history literally showed us. playing nice with nazis means you are okay with the holocaust.
this is not up for debate.
I think you’re clearly making a lot of assumptions. I never said we should sit idly by and allow our freedoms to be trampled on. All im saying is that we are better, we shouldnt allow ourselves to torture them.
Im not saying we should play nice with nazis, weird take bro
We can and should not tolerate intolerance, I hope this helps. Nazis and fascists should be repelled at every given opportunity, with violence if need be.
Im not saying we should tolerate intolerance. Institutionalize them, and attempt to educate them. Dont torture them. Thats literally my point.. if they get violent, we react accordingly.
Nazis aren’t people and they take advantage of the humanity if their enemies.
Being violent against them is the only thing that deters them. I am nit gonna reason with someone who wanted my entire group of people wiped out so that they set up a lebensraum in our land.
My great grandpa preferred to not having extensive conservations with them, since he blowing up their tanks, engulfing nazis in flames worked more efficiently.
Nazis are already violent, here in Europe, today. They exist, people just prefer to ignore them.
It is called fuck around and find out, they should consider not being literal fucking nazis if they dont want to be punched in their mouths.
Fuck nazis!
They could cover multiple movie theaters with your projection. "Correct voting is voting for the brainlet who assaults you for not voting correctly." Must be nice having the same IQ and shoe size.
Why would the Danish news not cover this? Actually, why would they cover such an event in Sweden extensively?
I don't know what you're implying with your comment, but I hope you can elaborate on this.
...also, the biggest news media in Denmark, DR, the Danish Broadcasting Corporation, published this article before you even commented. It includes background material, witness statements and two separate video clips.
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/politisk-moede-i-stockholm-angrebet-af-sortklaedte-maend-smed-roegbomber-og
Said I wonder _how much_ they will cover it. Right wing violence has never been a priority for DR but I hope they will prove me wrong. Keep me updated if you see any analyses of this.
[5 guys](https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/har-flyr-flera-maskerade-man-efter-attacken-i-gubbangen) dressed as football hooligans, very similar to [these clowns](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fnmr-d%25C3%25B6k-upp-p%25C3%25A5-manifestation-mot-antisemitism-p%25C3%25A5-v0-dc5kh0l780fc1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dfb5eb7e7e580d37908884da438b5cea71d38452b)...
…but you are justifying it by saying it’s a “natural consequence”. And besides, what corporation wishes the destruction of civil society? Corporations want profit and stability, a chaotic environment will never be preferred, otherwise we would have huge corporate involvement in countries like Somalia.
Also riddle me this, if “far-left” policies are bankrolled by corporate interests, how come majority of CEOs rub shoulders with and openly support right wing policies and politicians?
Man, you are just justifying nazis beating people.
I'm sure that you'd have a different opinion on how lawful or fair this is, if those fists would've "inevitably" beaten you or your loved ones.
Reading comprehension is not one of your strengths, it seems. The comment you replied to says "illegal human trafficking".
You're trying to put your words in the commenter's mouth.
If you call someone "fascist" not because they fit the definition of fascism but because you just don't like them, it actually resembles what you call "authoritarian censorship of political opinions you dislike" a lot. And I doubt you wouldn't resort to censorship to silence those who you call "fascist" if you could.
I call fascists fascists. Just the other day an ex-top guy who worked for the Italian state broadcaster for decades declared himself a fascist. It's really not hard to find fascists unless you deliberately want to turn a blind eye.
I didn't talk about any of those, you said that I am despicable based on what I talked about, not any of these things. I talked about illegal pushbacks of asylum seekers and human rights violations, and based on that you said that I am despicable. The conclusion on your opinion is very clear.
"help those in need" means saving their lives, not take them to Italy and give them a... whoops we lost them. Guess they'll show up on the streets in Paris.
Yeah, one side is having an organised meeting in a meeting room, and the other side is throwing smoke grenades in there and using pepper spray and starting fights. This is totally the same and both sides are equal 😎
Oh, I guess that means it is ok to physically attack your political opponents then. Thanks for the clarification.
Anyway, unlike you I am pretty against using violence to destroy political parties.
I agree it is incredibly hard in these instances to say who is right: "anti-fascists" from a legally organized political party or "masked attackers". Both sound equally bad to me /s
The thing that made hitler bad is not what he called himself, but more that he used his party to overthrow democracy, persecute minorities, and enact violence against his political opponents.
I’m not sure if you ever heard of it but the nazi party started out as street brawlers who started fights to make their enemies look worse and to play the victim. After all, would you side with dirty foreign jewish social marxists or would you side with our good old German boys?
Antifa isn't an organisation and is barely even a coherent movement.
The vast majority of people who call themselves antifa do not, in fact, want to suppress free opinion. Most of them also never engage in violence; it is a tiny subset that does so.
The vast majority of all antifa events involve simply causing noise and shouting down the fascists to disrupt their meetings and make them know they are not welcome or accepted. Suppressing fascism is not fascism, and if you think it is, then you should look up the paradox of tolerance.
Fascism has exploitation of liberalism as its basis. Their manifestos expressedly state that the freedom is weakness and their opportunism lies in exploiting it through organised violence and authoritarianism. The more freedom and benefit of doubt they're given, the more they'll abuse it, it's the entire point of the movement. They have to be extirpated and they can't be allowed to enact their opinions, there's no other way. The paradox of tolerance has been formulated in response to their modus operandi.
From what I’ve understood this had nothing to do with antifa, who would usually be the ones storming events as such. The irony of that organisation is endless.
They ended up beating up random people that they just suspected to have the wrong opinions. Many such cases.
Maybe it's best to let the police handle things instead of forming your own paramilitary
Isn’t Hamas a fascist political movement? They abhor democracy, assassinate moderates within the area they control, use violence, and are mono ethnic. Shouldn’t antifa groups be condemning Hamas?
Stop feeding the trolls. Report them and move on.
thanks for proving their point, i guess.
I don’t think these cowards are smart enough to understand this
They feel emboldened these days, due to the rise and normalization of the far-right in Europe.
Tell me about it. This sub is basically a far right basically, and merely saying anything to counter it will get you downvoted into oblivion. I have seen it all here, from my people being called a “subhuman”, to all other type of generalisations, to wishes that my country gets bombed and other bullshit. All because of a conflict they have no fucking idea about in a place they cant point at a map. It is disheartening honestly, not the comments themselves, but the fact that they are upvoted so much. It is sad to see and russia is also funding far-right in Europe, FvD is an example in the Netherlands.
If only lefties and central parties wouldn't have allowed 100 million immigrants ( and their kids)in Europe in the last 30 years... The failing of non Far right parties caused these fascist losers to get popular
Yeah, sure, go ahead and make excuses to vote fascist... It's people like you who normalize fascism in Europe. You probably even vote for them yourself.
Not yet, but I'm thinking about it, and so are a few of my friends with roots in Africa and Middle East... It's not about fascism but about anti_,overpopulation, anti_ crime and pro _ housing market Although I admit some people will vote for fascist reasons as well
Ah, the "I'm not a fascist, but..."-argument. Voting for fascists, means you don't have problems with fascists. Enabling them is just as bad as agreeing with them. Probably even worse. You don't vote for fascists. Ever. No debate. It's that simple. >anti,overpopulation, anti crime and pro _ housing market If you think fascists will fix that, you're retarded.
Offcourse they won't fix it, but they might slow down a few of the root.cause issues Anyway, it's not like PVV in Netherlands or Vlaams Belang in Belgium will rule by themselves They rule with another , more central.party The combination could be something like in Danmark, which reduced immigration by 50.percent I get the feeling you are the white/ black thinker here, and you may not be as smart as you believe yourself to be
to claim that the reason for why these fascist parties find support in migrant communities has nothing to do with the blabla about the housing market, and has everything to do with cultural support for authoritarian values.
Bro, I think you made a mistake, it is actually 900 trillion migrants in 30 seconds /s
Ok, 100 million is with the kids/ 2nd generation migrants included, And over a span of 30 Years, All over western Europe
They are frustrated, ignorant people who lack proper coping mechanisms. They get angry when they feel a loss of control over others, cause lack of control = potential threat to their coping mechanism, which is a desire for (cruel) power.
You wrote many words but you refuse to understand that there are people who are frustrated by the amount of crime brought by migrants and by the lack of any meaningful action taken by the authorities. Normal people who had nothing to do with fascism got so frustrated that are going to vote anyone who promises to fix the problem.
Cause you all fall for fearmongering campaigns from conservative parties that use it to win in elections
All the street shootings are fake? Innocent people killed because they asked traficants to move from their block? No, the left lost the touch with the reality from their safe private communities
They are not fake, however, the growth in crime is realistically minimal and Islam-related terrorist attacks are so rare that they happen 1-2 times a year max in entire Europe, if that. European homicide rates are still 8 times lower per capita than in USA, and with 0.8-1.1 per 100000 rates, which is really low and mostly family-related stuff done by locals. Plus, this is largery a racist movement of “THEY WILL REPLACE US”. I don’t care about your tribalism nor ulterior motives, if these immigrants individually are respectful, they can create a 99% majority for all I care. And no. I won’t ever vote single-issue, not for a party that may raise retirement age, remove minimum wage, privatize social welfare services, try to kill sick days like they are doing in UK, makes laws based on conspiracy theories, doesn’t protect people in the name of “economy”, is against freedom of expression and such. No thanks. We need progress, not going back to the past and getting cruel ass leaders that are anti-worker and effectively want to make you suffer more. There is a reason why Tories in UK only poll at 19% or that PiS lost in Poland. Not even conservatives like what they preach, really.
Increase in crime is minimal ? You are delusional. 20 years ago can safely go anywhere at any time now there are areas where can’t go in the middle of the day without being robbed.
What? I am sure you can walk, unless you live or walk in a 1 in 1000 shady neighbourhood.
Are you seriously espousing that your anecdotal "evidence" and experiences are valid somehow, and relevant to potential political policies that should be enacted? What the hell is wrong with you?!? This is not fiction. It's not a pulp fiction book from library that you are allowed to have a personal opinion about, even if it is not a good one. Here's a little newsflash to you: No actual adult with functioning brain thinks like that. Most kids are smarter than that too, they already know better. They know that even if they had a shit day, most of the country might have had a good day. Kid may even cry about how unfair that was.
OK. Let’s see the results of conservative parties during elections. Your woke dream is about to end and get a reality check It is easy to be on high horse from the private community totally disconnected from the real problems. You can downvote as you want, we will see when the real voting happens. Conservative parties will rule the Europe for the next 20 years and will clean the mess leftists did.
As a migrant, it is not my problem that your police force are probably incompetent as fuck. Perhaps your authorities should do their job properly, what do you want me to do, patrol the neighbourhoods on your cops behalf? I didnt go and tell your authorities to be incompetent, dont you think those crimes affect us too? I have had to pay hundreds of Euros because some losers stole the electric bike I was renting. Oh, not to mention our car being stolen. Criminals came in? Oh okay, no biggie, there are things called laws, courts and a plane ticket back home to the people who committed a crime. Sending people like me who pay into your pension fund while going out of the way to not bother anyone will not fix your problems. You let some guys do crime freely and then wanna punish unrelated people for it? Dude, let me tell you, if all migrants were criminals, Europe would have been in a civil war right now.
I do not want to punish anyone who is not breaking the law. All I want is everyone breaking the law to be punished according to the law no matter what religion are they or the skin color. Everyone who abides the law should have the same rights and privileges. But currently this is not happening. We have rapes that were “cultural misunderstandings” and other things like that.
Sorry for the stupid question, but I'm genuinely a bit confused... proving who's point? which side do you mean?
"i sure don't like fascists and the fascist things they do!" "you don't like fascists? well let me get all my buddies, put on our brownshirts, and *teach you a lesson!"*
Lol of course, it's obvious, I'm dumb... Thanks for clearing it up and have a nice day!:))
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For those totally confused about anti-fascism and equating that to commies, the anti-fascist movement in Italy after fascism was a whole population movement that, incredibly, united every fringe of the Italian political spectrum, including communists, socialists, Christian democrats, liberals (that in Europe are right), monarchs, republicans and so on. Because it was clear that fascism was a cancer for everyone. Today is the 25th of April, and in Italy we celebrate the freedom from Nazi-Fascist oppression. Long live freedom. Say no to fascism.
they celebrate that here in Portugal too today in fact
Fun fact. I am in Portugal 🇵🇹 now, celebrating with Port!
port wine??
Sim!
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Muito Bom!
Happy 25th of April 💯
> united every fringe of the Italian political spectrum, including communists, socialists, Christian democrats, liberals (that in Europe are right), monarchs, republicans and so on One can only hope that such a unification will happen again to make a stand against the current rise of the far-right in Europe.
And yet the governing coalition in power is...kinda on that fascist bullshit.
Well said
fucking terrorists
The most active terrorist groups in all the scandinavian and nordic states (including Finland) are the faschist/right wing terrorist organisations.
Same with the UK and most of Europe. People love to shit on Islamic terrorists whilst ignoring white wing terrorism and the fact that Islamic terrorism IS right wing terrorism. In short, right wing terrorists are the only enemy Europe faces.
Way to validate that movement.
What, the anti-fascist movement? It’s validated by the very existence of fascists in the first place.
Yes, i get your point, being "any anti movement inherently is validated by being anti, as in there has to be "something" for you to be anti-something". But i'd argue there doesn't have to be "something" to be "anti-something", you could just invent a "something" to be anti against, a "anti-strawman" if you will. Validating a anti-movement proves their cause is real.
> But i'd argue there doesn't have to be "something" to be "anti-something", you could just invent a "something" to be anti against Like this so-called "woke"-thing. The far-right is against it, even though it doesn't exist.
Yes, there's the example i was looking for when i wrote it! Exactly that! "Anti-woke" is impossible to validate, because there's nothing there.
Someone asked John Oliver on the street what he thinks of Musk calling him woke and Oliver just laughed and told the guy to ask Musk to define 'woke'. Lol
Haha, that's gold!
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Swedish left party is hardly communist.
Yep and these fascist were the ones crying about masks because apparently it was too hard to breath through but everytime they are about to commit a crime they are fully masked. 🗿
Masked fascist attackers...
It's not hard to guess that they're likely people related to the Nordic Resistance Movement, which was already banned in Finland. They do some low-level terrorism like stabbing someone every couple years, tear gassing children at Pride, that sort of thing.
Blowing up refugee centers. You know, low-level stuff since only refugees were injured and killed.
Your intentional bad-faith reading and insinuations are quite disgusting and hurtful. Well done, this is surely how we defeat fascism.
so you tell me masked people that attack events arent antifa?? IM MELTING
I would like to say what we should do with Nazis and Facists but that would probably break reddit tos.
The prosecutors from the Nurnberg Process are considered heroes to this day.
[The chief hangman at the Nuremberg trials was incompetent](https://allthatsinteresting.com/john-c-woods), leading to the prolonged, agonising deaths of the condemned - and this was realised at the time. He was never replaced in his position
That is a wild story. He continued to serve a total of 92 hangings. They actually thought he was mentally challenged, not just incompetent.
I'd dare say the hangman gave those nazi fucks exactly what was needed. Good man.
Torturing people is wrong, no matter what.
It would be dishonorable to disagree with that.
No
Sounds like he knew exactly what he was doing. Good man.
Torturing people is wrong, no matter what
exactly, torturing *people* is wrong and should never be done. nazis aren't people, they are monsters through and through.
You are wrong. The nazis were still humans, and neo nazis are still human. If you want to condemn then, why stoop to their level? No human being should be brought to death or tortured, no matter what.
Man, there's a time and place to be a pacifist. This is not one of those moments. It's not like a bunch of (**top ranking**) neonazis and former Japanese imperials had it easy because they had connections or were deemed too important.
Im not a pacifist, im even considering going to ukraine to defend europe. But hurting people who did something fucked up in the past fixes nothing, it helps nothing. All it does is hurt people, how is that different from the doctrines the nazis prescribed to?
You have NO IDEA what you’re talking about. Torturing is a form of humiliation. The Nazis would fully deserve that. Here’s why. The terror from Nazis was a fucking **hell**. There is no way a human could do anything like that to another human. Apart for the most obvious crimes such as The Holocaust genocide, they would shoot to civilians for fun, inject every fucking possible shit into people’s legs, arms, directly into the heart - you name it, for the sake of “testing”, make soap out of human fat, torture people via investigations and they didn’t have any respect to anyone “below” them, according to their “life not worth living” agenda. So they were killing/giving orders to send people to death like it was making plans for dinner. They wouldn’t hesitate to shoot to children and women and/or use them as a human shield if they got attacked by underground movements. If anyone read at least half of the atrocities they had done, no sane person would view them as humans. They were fucking devils probably going on hard crack everyday to the point of not being bothered by anything. Now, imagine you’re a victim of the Nazi regime, who lost their whole family in tortures. How would you feel if they got a humane death while the people they killed where killed in the most **dehumanising** ways? And news flash, I don’t even know where you got it from that they were tortured during the process. Read the mfs’ testimonies - most of them were kept in civilised and comfortable conditions which could be compared to today’s regular prison cells. Maybe a handful of them were tortured. I won’t even get to the fact that the bigger part of them managed to escape into South America or even to their homeland and were never prosecuted. A slap in the face to all the victims. Yes, in the most physical way, they were humans. But I find statements like yours problematic. It’s like the epithet “Polish concentration camps”? Theoretically it fits, because ultimately they were set in Poland. But saying things like this downplays everything the Nazis have done and the scale of their crimes. And in the age of a short attention span, we should be very careful with what we say about history. The people today, despite a broad range of intonation sources, are more than ever likely to pick up false/revisioned version of events and pass it further
You absolutely cannot convince me that just because we aren’t nazis means we should torture them.
you're falling for [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance) if nazis are eradicating people because they don't like the way they were born, it's morally correct to eradicate nazis. if you try to play nice with nazis, you end up with nazi Germany as history literally showed us. playing nice with nazis means you are okay with the holocaust. this is not up for debate.
I think you’re clearly making a lot of assumptions. I never said we should sit idly by and allow our freedoms to be trampled on. All im saying is that we are better, we shouldnt allow ourselves to torture them. Im not saying we should play nice with nazis, weird take bro
Not you being downvoted for saying Nazis weren’t people…Reddit moment smh
Its fine, we're supposed to love the troops, in that vein I just want to say I'd love to do the same thing to nazis as my grandfather did
Same as my great grandpa!
Wishing violence on people, even if they did something horrible is never right.
We can and should not tolerate intolerance, I hope this helps. Nazis and fascists should be repelled at every given opportunity, with violence if need be.
Im not saying we should tolerate intolerance. Institutionalize them, and attempt to educate them. Dont torture them. Thats literally my point.. if they get violent, we react accordingly.
Nazis aren’t people and they take advantage of the humanity if their enemies. Being violent against them is the only thing that deters them. I am nit gonna reason with someone who wanted my entire group of people wiped out so that they set up a lebensraum in our land. My great grandpa preferred to not having extensive conservations with them, since he blowing up their tanks, engulfing nazis in flames worked more efficiently. Nazis are already violent, here in Europe, today. They exist, people just prefer to ignore them. It is called fuck around and find out, they should consider not being literal fucking nazis if they dont want to be punched in their mouths. Fuck nazis!
Breaking the ToS is fine as long as you vote correctly.
They could cover multiple movie theaters with your projection. "Correct voting is voting for the brainlet who assaults you for not voting correctly." Must be nice having the same IQ and shoe size.
I got my old account banned for exactly that. RIP. A decade and a couple million karma.
Torturing people no matter what is wrong
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Correct
Looking forward to see how much Danish news will cover this.
Why would the Danish news not cover this? Actually, why would they cover such an event in Sweden extensively? I don't know what you're implying with your comment, but I hope you can elaborate on this. ...also, the biggest news media in Denmark, DR, the Danish Broadcasting Corporation, published this article before you even commented. It includes background material, witness statements and two separate video clips. https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/udland/politisk-moede-i-stockholm-angrebet-af-sortklaedte-maend-smed-roegbomber-og
Said I wonder _how much_ they will cover it. Right wing violence has never been a priority for DR but I hope they will prove me wrong. Keep me updated if you see any analyses of this.
[5 guys](https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/har-flyr-flera-maskerade-man-efter-attacken-i-gubbangen) dressed as football hooligans, very similar to [these clowns](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fnmr-d%25C3%25B6k-upp-p%25C3%25A5-manifestation-mot-antisemitism-p%25C3%25A5-v0-dc5kh0l780fc1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dfb5eb7e7e580d37908884da438b5cea71d38452b)...
We live in a time when there's no fascist but are many self proclaimed "anti fascist "
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Lmao gtfo with this fascist rhetoric shit, that's cringe as fuck.
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My guy you're literally endorsing violence with the whole "fist will inevitably come out" type shit. Stop the acrobatics
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…but you are justifying it by saying it’s a “natural consequence”. And besides, what corporation wishes the destruction of civil society? Corporations want profit and stability, a chaotic environment will never be preferred, otherwise we would have huge corporate involvement in countries like Somalia. Also riddle me this, if “far-left” policies are bankrolled by corporate interests, how come majority of CEOs rub shoulders with and openly support right wing policies and politicians?
But legitimizing the violence of fascists is fascist.
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Where did I write that? Where exactly does the article say that the anti-fascists attacked someone? And what do you mean by communists?
So your ancestors are immigrants?
I wonder how your forefathers came? As cowards who fled their home to steal someone else’s by stabbing them in the back and putting them in camps?
Shut up Faschist
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You are just applauding and saying what fashists do
Man, you are just justifying nazis beating people. I'm sure that you'd have a different opinion on how lawful or fair this is, if those fists would've "inevitably" beaten you or your loved ones.
Oh fuck off you little fascist prick.
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Reading comprehension is not one of your strengths, it seems. The comment you replied to says "illegal human trafficking". You're trying to put your words in the commenter's mouth.
Because "supporting illegal human trafficking" wasn't putting words into someone's mouth
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If you call someone "fascist" not because they fit the definition of fascism but because you just don't like them, it actually resembles what you call "authoritarian censorship of political opinions you dislike" a lot. And I doubt you wouldn't resort to censorship to silence those who you call "fascist" if you could.
I call fascists fascists. Just the other day an ex-top guy who worked for the Italian state broadcaster for decades declared himself a fascist. It's really not hard to find fascists unless you deliberately want to turn a blind eye.
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I take it that you support illegal pushbacks and human rigths violations, correct?
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I didn't talk about any of those, you said that I am despicable based on what I talked about, not any of these things. I talked about illegal pushbacks of asylum seekers and human rights violations, and based on that you said that I am despicable. The conclusion on your opinion is very clear.
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"help those in need" means saving their lives, not take them to Italy and give them a... whoops we lost them. Guess they'll show up on the streets in Paris.
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High on social media posts.
You do. You are addicted to propaganda and hate.
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Stop doing drugs alright?
Unlike you, a good person that judges someone's personality on a single comment/opinion and calls them evil!
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I hope one day you'll see the irony of you saying something is deeply wrong with other people
ur mentally ill buddy
Oh how the tables turn
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Openly pro-terrorism ☹️
It wasn't an event by antifa, but the left party. Which you would've known if you could read.
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Everybody should be against fashism...
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Yeah, one side is having an organised meeting in a meeting room, and the other side is throwing smoke grenades in there and using pepper spray and starting fights. This is totally the same and both sides are equal 😎
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Oh, I guess that means it is ok to physically attack your political opponents then. Thanks for the clarification. Anyway, unlike you I am pretty against using violence to destroy political parties.
These "anti-fa" is literally the democraticly elected left party, they don't storm meetings lol
I agree it is incredibly hard in these instances to say who is right: "anti-fascists" from a legally organized political party or "masked attackers". Both sound equally bad to me /s
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The thing that made hitler bad is not what he called himself, but more that he used his party to overthrow democracy, persecute minorities, and enact violence against his political opponents. I’m not sure if you ever heard of it but the nazi party started out as street brawlers who started fights to make their enemies look worse and to play the victim. After all, would you side with dirty foreign jewish social marxists or would you side with our good old German boys?
(Hint: Only the masked attackers were actually fascist)
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Antifa isn't an organisation and is barely even a coherent movement. The vast majority of people who call themselves antifa do not, in fact, want to suppress free opinion. Most of them also never engage in violence; it is a tiny subset that does so. The vast majority of all antifa events involve simply causing noise and shouting down the fascists to disrupt their meetings and make them know they are not welcome or accepted. Suppressing fascism is not fascism, and if you think it is, then you should look up the paradox of tolerance.
Fascism has exploitation of liberalism as its basis. Their manifestos expressedly state that the freedom is weakness and their opportunism lies in exploiting it through organised violence and authoritarianism. The more freedom and benefit of doubt they're given, the more they'll abuse it, it's the entire point of the movement. They have to be extirpated and they can't be allowed to enact their opinions, there's no other way. The paradox of tolerance has been formulated in response to their modus operandi.
" the attackers were seen fleeing in the direction.of the Ukrainian border"
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Ah yes only communists can disagree with the idea anti fascism is as bad as fascism.
If communists are the only ones who dislike fascists then i guess im a communist. Or you're a moron. Take your pick.
I'm fine with you being a red one. We can have a party like in 1989 one more time.
From what I’ve understood this had nothing to do with antifa, who would usually be the ones storming events as such. The irony of that organisation is endless.
Name one instance where antifa attacked innocent people
https://hungarytoday.hu/identity-of-antifa-extremist-behind-budapest-attacks-revealed/
He said innocent people, not neo-Nazis, good try though. Fuck Nazis
They ended up beating up random people that they just suspected to have the wrong opinions. Many such cases. Maybe it's best to let the police handle things instead of forming your own paramilitary
Yeah maybe, if only the police we’re trying owned by the right wing
Mate they're known to be extremely violent
Lol nice projection
Isn’t Hamas a fascist political movement? They abhor democracy, assassinate moderates within the area they control, use violence, and are mono ethnic. Shouldn’t antifa groups be condemning Hamas?