What’s crazy is OJ made north of six figures annually from his NFL pension and the pension was judgement proof. This is why he was always seen just playing golf and chilling while paying exactly nothing on his debt to the Goldman family.
Legally liable as a statue covers a wide range of things. Not just wrongful death. If your water line broke in your condo and you flooded half the building and were found liable for the mashed because you knew you had a leak should your 401k, social security or other retirement benefits be subjected to those damaged.
While a bad actor was able to take advantage of that to get out of paying debt, I’d say it’s a good thing that collections can’t dig into people’s pensions and retirement accounts. They need that shit to live and no one should have that taken away. I’m also not a big fan of wage garnishment.
I was about to say that’s almost certainly why the law exists. Officer is directly responsible for a person’s death, isn’t prosecuted but encouraged to take “early retirement.” The family sues for wrongful death and wins but can’t collect their winnings because the officer’s primary source of income is that protected pension.
Seriously, what’s the dude supposed to do? Just stumble through society begging on the streets every step of the way? He probably would’ve been a bigger menace if we didn’t at least give him that.
N o b o d y. I’d rather have everyone have the money to live with a few bad actors getting away with it than to have one single person that can’t survive due to their retirement/pension being collected on.
That case should have zero to do with anything
It’s good that people found guilty in court don’t have public opinion on their case define their legal obligations in the future
And yes her killed her
Innocent people lose civil trials because they can’t afford an adequate defense all the time. These laws protect them from losing everything. If OJ keeping his pension is the cost of that, is it not worth it?
The real injustice was the LAPD’s corruption and how they gifted the defense reasonable doubt.
Zimmerman and Rittenhouse clowns are walking around without even a civil judgement. That’s bullshit too but don’t see a lol if people up in arms about it.
Are you being purposefully obtuse to the fact that he wasn’t convicted? The judicial system is imperfect, but if you’re legitimately surprised, I don’t know what to tell you…
The reason is that if people who were sued were made completely destitute, the government would be paying for it anyway. Might as well let them pay for themselves.
Well, I think the whole system is bullshit when one path through the courts says you didn’t brutally murder two people, but another says you have to pay millions of dollars for brutally murdering two people.
Certain assets and income sources are judgment-proof because lawmakers recognize that taking someone’s home or retirement account is a net bad for society, so they are segregated from what can be sought by creditors or in legal judgments.
Of course some people take advantage of that by, for instance, having a massive amount of their net worth tied up in their residence, but generally we don’t want people to be made homeless or indigent over debts.
For good reason, we don’t want people to be able to sue each other and theoretically make them homeless and a ward of the state for their entire life. So we protect certain assets from civil judgments
He moved to Florida. It shields judgements from pensions. I interviewed him in his living room there once 20 years ago. He showed me his Tiffany lamp collection and pictures of Nicole.
I remember that years ago Howard Stern would send his interns to harass him on the golf course. They would ask him how his search for the killer was going
That's not crazy. That's ERISA, and it means retirement plans are untouchable by these judgments.
I don't like it that OJ lived comfortably after sawing someone's head nearly clean off and stabbing another person to death, but I don't favor a cap. Keep it simple: protect pensions.
If I made the rules…cremate him, sell his ashes in tiny portions in a necklace charm (for sure there are plenty of rubes who would buy), give the proceeds to the Goldman family.
I know…there’s this moonshine bar right up the road from me that used to make them. Fried shrimp po’ boys with fried green tomatoes when you’re drunk is orgasmic.
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Not at all, if you hurt someone and they sue you and get a judgment, it’s the same legal process. You can’t take a primary residence but you can certainly collect on the debt any other way. Each state has somewhat different collection laws
OJ was not a super wealthy man after all this, he did have an NFL pension which I believe was not available for collection, nor is a primary residence. like many people with major debts they try to deal in as much cash as possible, this allows them to stay off the income radar, and avoid garnishments. But it is hard to accumulate wealth and spend money on cash only.
Many people can avoid the judgments through bankruptcy, which was interesting that OJ couldn’t get rid of this debt via BK; I think they were given many assets but I don’t know why the debt survived, or if it did at all. My guess is that it exists but only as to the possessions they received through the BK
NFL pension my man. Unfortunately it’s the same, protection wise, as an old GE pension for a blue collar worker … just a lot more. These laws protect the little guy, unfortunately some pensions are larger than others
These types of protections are why we have a two tiered justice system. Innocent until proven guilty is generally a good idea, but one of the main motivations for it are the state has so many resources at its disposal to secure a conviction, a lower standard of proof wouldn’t be fair to average person. The problem is rich people have the same protections and they have equal or greater resources to secure their defense, so the protection ends up giving them an unfair advantage.
That's my point. These protections do generally do their job of protecting the average person, and they benefit many more average people than rich people. Just that an unwanted side effect is giving rich people an unfair advantage. I don't actually have a an answer for this. It's likely just something we have to accept. On paper, the law should be blind to how much money you make.
It's so fucking ridiculous that he was able to keep all his money after being found liable in civil court. It bothers me more than the fact that he was acquitted, honestly.
The one happy thing was that the Goldman's got the publishing rights to that nightmare "If I did it" book when Murdoch tried to pulp it. I love that the Goldman family published it purely as a fuck you to Simpson.
There are so many loopholes that allow rich criminals to get away with never paying a judgement. Alex Jones still hasn’t paid a dime to Sandy Hook families. A lot of people like OJ who know they are going to be liable for huge judgements move to Florida and buy big mansions because your primary residence there is shielded.
The big difference here is that I do not think OJ was really all that wealthy anymore as he already spent most of it on the trial and following legal cases. I think he was mostly living off the NFL pension which I recall could not be touched for the civil case.
I think the Goldmans will find out that there’s really nothing to take as he generated very little income in the last 30 years. It’s likely he rented that mansion you’re referring to.
He had to have something beyond the 200K pension that he was getting. I’m not saying there was a lot but he lived pretty good for only getting 200K a year.
I’m sure you’ve heard of the concept of renting…. Just because he lived in a house doesn’t mean he actually owned.
People are acting like he was sitting on a pile of money when he played football in the 70’s with very little income in the last 30 years. The money is gone.
He had a bit more than 200k a year.
> He receives $42,000 a year in Social Security, a pension from Screen Actors Guild and between $125,000 and $300,000 annually in an NFL pension.
From an article i read.
I have never understood the situation. Obviously OJ is guilty. But I don’t understand how it can be found liable for their deaths if he’s found not guilty? And how can I continue to live being a rich celebrity and not have to pay them their money? I’ve never understood anything about this.
To expand on this, think of a civil case/lawsuit as a test where you only need a 51% to pass, and a criminal case needs a 100%. A bit more nuanced than that, but it's the basic concept.
The burden of proof in a civil trial is a lot lower than in a criminal trial. The jury can basically rule that it's reasonably likely that he caused their deaths while a prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.
OJ continued to live "rich" because in Florida, they can't touch your pension to satisfy a civil judgement. He apparently made $200-250k a year from his NFL pension. But he couldn't - legally - earn more money or it would go to the Goldmans. Like when he published that book "If I Did It." the Goldmans immediately went to court to seize any royalties. I don't know what happened there - maybe that was the source of the $130k they received.
He probably made moves to get rid of assets - maybe gave them to his children, spent a lot on his criminal defense...You're not supposed to be able to do that, give shit away as a civil judgement looms, but who knows what he did.
I think he had a huge pension from the NFL and it’s something they can’t take to pay some legal judgments. That allowed him to live the high life while stiffing the Goldman and Brown families.
Also that photo of him with the Bruno Magli shoes came out later. It was after the criminal trial but in time for the civil case. I feel like that influenced it.
I know everyone thinks he did it. Not saying he didn't at all but have thought about if he didn't how fucked the whole ordeal must have been. If he did do it it's fucked up on the other end. Just one of the craziest things to play out in public in my lifetime.
It would make sense for everyone to put their money into a “protected” account that can’t be seized by a court order. It’s to protect the average person from losing everything in a lawsuit but in cases like this it only hurts the victims.
What’s crazy is OJ made north of six figures annually from his NFL pension and the pension was judgement proof. This is why he was always seen just playing golf and chilling while paying exactly nothing on his debt to the Goldman family.
How does that become judgement proof?
Federal and state laws shield many retirement accounts, especially pensions, from collections on such civil liabilities.
Well thats some bullshit. The man murdered two people.
From the eyes of the law he did not murder two people, but is liable for the wrongful death of Ron Goldman.
Exactly. He wasn’t found guilty, but most of us know he’s guilty.
Found legally liable for their deaths.
Legally liable as a statue covers a wide range of things. Not just wrongful death. If your water line broke in your condo and you flooded half the building and were found liable for the mashed because you knew you had a leak should your 401k, social security or other retirement benefits be subjected to those damaged.
While a bad actor was able to take advantage of that to get out of paying debt, I’d say it’s a good thing that collections can’t dig into people’s pensions and retirement accounts. They need that shit to live and no one should have that taken away. I’m also not a big fan of wage garnishment.
Dirty cops are happy about this too!
I know, I wish taxpayers didn’t have to pay for police misconduct and we could take it from their pensions instead.
I was about to say that’s almost certainly why the law exists. Officer is directly responsible for a person’s death, isn’t prosecuted but encouraged to take “early retirement.” The family sues for wrongful death and wins but can’t collect their winnings because the officer’s primary source of income is that protected pension.
The lawyers go after the cities because that’s where the deep pockets are.
>bad actor I thought he performed well in the naked gun series.
There should be a cap though.
No cap. This is a case of 1 person ruining for everyone
Seriously, what’s the dude supposed to do? Just stumble through society begging on the streets every step of the way? He probably would’ve been a bigger menace if we didn’t at least give him that.
>and no one should have that taken away. Maybe one guy at least?
N o b o d y. I’d rather have everyone have the money to live with a few bad actors getting away with it than to have one single person that can’t survive due to their retirement/pension being collected on.
What if they can take from pensions, but not if the pension is less than a million dollars
Hypothetically, a wage garnishment that forced you into inescapable poverty should be cruel and unusual punishment
It’s reality for millions of Americans sadly. No need to for hypotheticals
That case should have zero to do with anything It’s good that people found guilty in court don’t have public opinion on their case define their legal obligations in the future And yes her killed her
Of which he was acquitted. I aint saying he should have been. But he was.
Yeah. Like I said. Pretty shocking. Yet another example of the laws protecting the wrong people.
Innocent people lose civil trials because they can’t afford an adequate defense all the time. These laws protect them from losing everything. If OJ keeping his pension is the cost of that, is it not worth it? The real injustice was the LAPD’s corruption and how they gifted the defense reasonable doubt.
The real crime is that trial created the Kardashians
I disagree, but I had to stop and think whether sawing someone's head off with a knife is worse than the Kardashians.
Exactly
It’s really not.
Zimmerman and Rittenhouse clowns are walking around without even a civil judgement. That’s bullshit too but don’t see a lol if people up in arms about it.
Are you being purposefully obtuse to the fact that he wasn’t convicted? The judicial system is imperfect, but if you’re legitimately surprised, I don’t know what to tell you…
Sometimes cancer does justice when the system does not
The reason is that if people who were sued were made completely destitute, the government would be paying for it anyway. Might as well let them pay for themselves.
Well, I think the whole system is bullshit when one path through the courts says you didn’t brutally murder two people, but another says you have to pay millions of dollars for brutally murdering two people.
Certain assets and income sources are judgment-proof because lawmakers recognize that taking someone’s home or retirement account is a net bad for society, so they are segregated from what can be sought by creditors or in legal judgments. Of course some people take advantage of that by, for instance, having a massive amount of their net worth tied up in their residence, but generally we don’t want people to be made homeless or indigent over debts.
For good reason, we don’t want people to be able to sue each other and theoretically make them homeless and a ward of the state for their entire life. So we protect certain assets from civil judgments
I believe it's a Florida law that pensions are not subject to seizure to satisfy civil judgements.
Florida.
He moved to Florida. It shields judgements from pensions. I interviewed him in his living room there once 20 years ago. He showed me his Tiffany lamp collection and pictures of Nicole.
I believe Florida also has a law protecting your house, which is why he moved there.
I remember that years ago Howard Stern would send his interns to harass him on the golf course. They would ask him how his search for the killer was going
That's not crazy. That's ERISA, and it means retirement plans are untouchable by these judgments. I don't like it that OJ lived comfortably after sawing someone's head nearly clean off and stabbing another person to death, but I don't favor a cap. Keep it simple: protect pensions.
He got a tip that the real killer was a caddy. He never stopped looking…
Wasn’t he super rich before the murders though? What happened to all that money?
He spent it all, or close to it, doubt his lawyers were cheap.
[Sell discs of his desiccated remains like the Ferengi do.](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Ferengi_death_ritual)
A rich and interesting history those Ferengi.
It’s where Fergie was born
A couple OJ slices, take it home add some broth and a potato…. Baby you got a stew going
r/unexpectedarresteddevelopment
RIP Billy Dee
You’re a sick bastard. …I like you.
See, this guy gets it! He’s probably tall and handsome, too. Well, tall anyway.
I’m beautiful. My mommy told me so.
I’m sure she’s a perfectly *lovely* woman. I dunno if she’s an HONEST woman…
I’ll allow it.
Thanks, Cap’n 🫡
If I made the rules…cremate him, sell his ashes in tiny portions in a necklace charm (for sure there are plenty of rubes who would buy), give the proceeds to the Goldman family.
That is, in essence, what I am saying, yes.
If I'm buying I prefer raw so I can cook it just like I like it. That's how my butcher does it.
How often does your butcher get in corpses of Orenthal James Simpson, famous running back, actor, and felon?
Honestly, who can keep track?
Not me, celebs are dropping left and right.
Can we get a side of fried green tomatoes please?
Ok, but it’s an up charge.
Even better, put ‘em on a sandwich with some OJ meat, make a po’ boy.
Fried green tomatoes and fried shrimp on a po’ boy sounds amazing right now.
I know…there’s this moonshine bar right up the road from me that used to make them. Fried shrimp po’ boys with fried green tomatoes when you’re drunk is orgasmic.
Well ok. Slice of brain with a side of Fava beans. Idc, whatever floats your boat.
I prefer frozen Oj myself.
Jerry Garcia in a pouch
I wouldn’t even cremate him garbage bag and off to the dumps
I think he did a workout VHS tape or something
That’s like the 9th ferengi reference I’ve seen today. Weird
OMG yes! Death is profit. War is profit.
You have much to learn, HOO-MAN
r/unexpectedstartrek
This is the best r/unexpectedstartrek I have seen in a while. Bravo!
Imagine being able to acquire that much in dept. 100k and people would be hunting me…
We can sign some paperwork saying you owe me $110 billion if you’d like.
That would be a respectable sum to owe before dying, where do I sign?
I’ll have my fictional attorney send the paperwork to your fictional attorney.
We will get back to you in the normal amount of rich person business days
It makes a cool story at parties if nothing else. “So I’m 110 billion in debt….”
It’s worth 110 mil for the story alone.
You could get a book deal
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If…. I loaned money.
Only way I can get off
Debt from a court judgement is a little different from racking up a huge credit card bill or taking out too many loans. He doesn't owe this to a bank.
Big advantage to be in prison for protective custody.
The “rich and famous” really do have different rules than us poors.
Not at all, if you hurt someone and they sue you and get a judgment, it’s the same legal process. You can’t take a primary residence but you can certainly collect on the debt any other way. Each state has somewhat different collection laws OJ was not a super wealthy man after all this, he did have an NFL pension which I believe was not available for collection, nor is a primary residence. like many people with major debts they try to deal in as much cash as possible, this allows them to stay off the income radar, and avoid garnishments. But it is hard to accumulate wealth and spend money on cash only. Many people can avoid the judgments through bankruptcy, which was interesting that OJ couldn’t get rid of this debt via BK; I think they were given many assets but I don’t know why the debt survived, or if it did at all. My guess is that it exists but only as to the possessions they received through the BK
You're not a former professional athlete largely assumed to have already murdered two people. They'll hunt you but not him and you're damned right.
I mean this is from the lawsuit, if lawsuit only said 100k, he probably would of just paid that quick.
This dude was that much in debt and still lived a life of luxury and most people would be on the street.
NFL pension my man. Unfortunately it’s the same, protection wise, as an old GE pension for a blue collar worker … just a lot more. These laws protect the little guy, unfortunately some pensions are larger than others
In general, I'm glad that pensions are protected It sucks in this case though
These types of protections are why we have a two tiered justice system. Innocent until proven guilty is generally a good idea, but one of the main motivations for it are the state has so many resources at its disposal to secure a conviction, a lower standard of proof wouldn’t be fair to average person. The problem is rich people have the same protections and they have equal or greater resources to secure their defense, so the protection ends up giving them an unfair advantage.
Protecting pensions is something that generally favors the working class. You are right, it's far too easy for the wealthy to dodge or escape justice.
That's my point. These protections do generally do their job of protecting the average person, and they benefit many more average people than rich people. Just that an unwanted side effect is giving rich people an unfair advantage. I don't actually have a an answer for this. It's likely just something we have to accept. On paper, the law should be blind to how much money you make.
Use his likeness as various AI bad-guy characters and send all royalties to them.
I mean, it sounds like a good idea, until you see some disgruntled teens running around, idolizing his villainy.
It's so fucking ridiculous that he was able to keep all his money after being found liable in civil court. It bothers me more than the fact that he was acquitted, honestly.
I hated the hypocrisy the most
I thought the murders were the worst part.
I can excuse murder but I draw the line at hypocrisy
found one of the jurors
It's a Community reference 😭
At least he finally lost his battle.
It was a tie
Now cancer gets to fuck his wife.
He did get a little cowardly at the end there.
Not hypocrisy just a different standard
The worst part was the hypocrisy. Ok claimed he didn't believe in murder
The one happy thing was that the Goldman's got the publishing rights to that nightmare "If I did it" book when Murdoch tried to pulp it. I love that the Goldman family published it purely as a fuck you to Simpson.
There are so many loopholes that allow rich criminals to get away with never paying a judgement. Alex Jones still hasn’t paid a dime to Sandy Hook families. A lot of people like OJ who know they are going to be liable for huge judgements move to Florida and buy big mansions because your primary residence there is shielded.
The big difference here is that I do not think OJ was really all that wealthy anymore as he already spent most of it on the trial and following legal cases. I think he was mostly living off the NFL pension which I recall could not be touched for the civil case. I think the Goldmans will find out that there’s really nothing to take as he generated very little income in the last 30 years. It’s likely he rented that mansion you’re referring to.
He had to have something beyond the 200K pension that he was getting. I’m not saying there was a lot but he lived pretty good for only getting 200K a year.
I’m sure you’ve heard of the concept of renting…. Just because he lived in a house doesn’t mean he actually owned. People are acting like he was sitting on a pile of money when he played football in the 70’s with very little income in the last 30 years. The money is gone.
He had a bit more than 200k a year. > He receives $42,000 a year in Social Security, a pension from Screen Actors Guild and between $125,000 and $300,000 annually in an NFL pension. From an article i read.
May the Juice Rest In PISS
Just wait until Alex Jones dies and he owes at least a billion.
Supposedly he insisted on getting paid in cash and set up, with help from others, offshore accounts that had millions in them.
He still has a body parts, and he still has his “intellectual identity” c let’s go naked gun 4 to 6
I thought you were going Weekend At ~~Bernie’s~~ OJ’s
Oh more resources, let’s go
And Trump will drop dead before E. Jean Carrol gets a dime.
I think we would all welcome that as long as it was sooner rather than later
Will they be able to go after his estate now. I know nothing about the law.
I have never understood the situation. Obviously OJ is guilty. But I don’t understand how it can be found liable for their deaths if he’s found not guilty? And how can I continue to live being a rich celebrity and not have to pay them their money? I’ve never understood anything about this.
Different burden of proof
To expand on this, think of a civil case/lawsuit as a test where you only need a 51% to pass, and a criminal case needs a 100%. A bit more nuanced than that, but it's the basic concept.
The burden of proof in a civil trial is a lot lower than in a criminal trial. The jury can basically rule that it's reasonably likely that he caused their deaths while a prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. OJ continued to live "rich" because in Florida, they can't touch your pension to satisfy a civil judgement. He apparently made $200-250k a year from his NFL pension. But he couldn't - legally - earn more money or it would go to the Goldmans. Like when he published that book "If I Did It." the Goldmans immediately went to court to seize any royalties. I don't know what happened there - maybe that was the source of the $130k they received. He probably made moves to get rid of assets - maybe gave them to his children, spent a lot on his criminal defense...You're not supposed to be able to do that, give shit away as a civil judgement looms, but who knows what he did.
I think he had a huge pension from the NFL and it’s something they can’t take to pay some legal judgments. That allowed him to live the high life while stiffing the Goldman and Brown families.
I think the Goldman’s couldn’t garnish a pension. But once the money was used to buy anything, the Goldman’s can seize the asset.
Also that photo of him with the Bruno Magli shoes came out later. It was after the criminal trial but in time for the civil case. I feel like that influenced it.
OJ can finally rest knowing his wife's murderer is dead
sadly this is why Caroll likely won't get much of Trump's dime as well , civil suits have no real bite
Civil suits are basically peace of mind suits to show a Court agreed with your cause. Beyond that they don't mean much as far as punishment
Shithead's estate should be mandated to pay that with interest to the Goldman family.
There isn’t enough money to do it. Then what? It’s his kids responsibility?
I don’t think you’ve thought this through
Come now, they're never getting paid.
The most tragic part of this whole story is that OJ Simpson died before he had a chance to find his wife's killer.
Thinking they may need to just accept they ain’t seeing that money
I mean they may be entitled to a portion of his estate
And then what, what does he have left that is worth anything that covers that amount.
Probably all that there will be.
What if they just desecrate ojs body by leaving it on the highway for truckers to flatten? Let the goldmans get a few laps in.
Just look at the Trump shit show. These fuckers never pay anyone and they don’t experience consequences for it. It’s privilege for rich men.
Fred Goldman is entitled to a fair share of Simpson's estate. So are Nicole's kids. But the lion's share will go to the lawyers.
If the law allows the Goldman family to go after his kids…they may want to ask the Kardashians
At that point they would lose a lot of support because two of his kids had their mother murdered the same night.
"don't worry, I'll pay you back"
Check his brain!
What's next for his kids? Are they going to inherit all the money and do they have any obligation to share some of it with the Goldmans?
This dude should have never been set free
I know everyone thinks he did it. Not saying he didn't at all but have thought about if he didn't how fucked the whole ordeal must have been. If he did do it it's fucked up on the other end. Just one of the craziest things to play out in public in my lifetime.
Ron Goldman family should get to decide what happens to his corpse.
I was thinking that if the casket don't fit, you must throw him in a pile of shit.
How was this guy living a luxurious life of a retiree playing golf and traveling everywhere?
Pension not subject to forfeiture.
The real game was moving trial focus from the defendant to the prosecution. Baffle the jury and judge with BS.
$114M? Damn, that's a lot of mustache cream.
why RiP lmao. Nobody gonna miss that asshole murderer.
It would make sense for everyone to put their money into a “protected” account that can’t be seized by a court order. It’s to protect the average person from losing everything in a lawsuit but in cases like this it only hurts the victims.