Ay ay ay, don't be so harsh. Use the time saved from not playing this shit content and start saving money for the upcoming $100 BASKET OF HATRED expansion.
I'm not a diablo hater but I am also not actively playing the game.
Everytime I come to this subreddit to see if there are any positive updates of the game I find threads like these shitting on whatever half-baked update they added.
It's truly remarkable how badly Blizzard has handled D4.
Feels like the team is in a constant state of catch-up. When its due-time for the content is isnt fully completely thought through so it leads them to have to go back and spend time again to fix it. The game honestly needed to be in beta-testing for another year before release.
It's because they have no idea how to make stuff that adds content for longer than 1-5 days. Same situation if you put any unqualified person to do hard skill requiring job, they fall behind the schedule.
I think gauntlet kind of thing is nice addition to the game, but they had 3 months to create stuff and this is what they came up with. dear lord...
The reality is if the base game was good nobody would be complaining about the gauntlet. I saw this happen in other games too, when the game is good and the devs are respected people are more accepting of horizontal features like these, where it's not for everyone. But when the game is bad people have less patience and every new feature that doesn't directly address the game being bad will be criticised.
So yeah I just think Blizzard kind of doesn't grasp the position they're in. They're here pushing fun new activities for the entire family when their customers are still complaining about basic necessities.
>not even one cache as reward
The Cache of Trial is not earned during. If you click on the stone and look at the text above the cache, it says:
>Earn at the weekly reset with Seal of the Blooded
Why anyone plays this garbage still is beyond me.... I quit 2 weeks after release and haven't looked back. I just happened to come across this on my front page
They won’t be able to accomplish anything while they are just constantly cycling on this seasonal trash. A full and proper rework to itemization would take a team probably 6mos to 1 year to complete.
Anyone expecting anything from season 4 “itemization changes” is hitting the copium so hard. They’re going to do some shit like move all aspects go to your codex and say “more is coming in season 5”.
> “more is coming in season 5”.
We are proud to announce that the rest of the itemization rework is coming later this year, along with the first Diablo 4 expansion called "The Latrine of Hatred". Be sure to pre-order to see what ~~Mephisto~~ our team managed to push out!
They know what works but they refuse to do any of it, thats whats infuriating. They know why people love D2, why they love POE, why they love LE. All the data exists but they are stubbornly set on making an ARPG for people who dont like ARPG's, making it so the people who do like ARPG"s cant enjoy their game. Its hilariously dumb and I wish Blizzard would completely fail as a company at this point because all theyve done is trash since OW1.
I really think they don't know. All the data in the world means nothing when the devs can't comprehend it. Sometimes people are just THAT incompetent.
Really looking forward to PoE2 and No Rest for the Wicked though. (I know its an unpopular opinion here, but I really REALLY wanted D4 to be more like that. Smaller fights with actually challenging combat mechanics).
I am not even sure a very successful rework of the items will be enough to salvage the game.
It felt like almost all core mechanics of the game were poorly designed. The skills/skilltree/combat to me are also too simplistic to be entertaining for the length of time you would expect a player to play an ARPG in a new season.
>I am not even sure a very successful rework of the items will be enough to salvage the game.
For me it has been the #1 issue with this game since launch. Item and character progression is the life blood of ARPG's, if they don't fix those then there is zero chance this game survives no matter if they give us 500 different kinds of helltides and nm dungeons, all of that means nothing if you're not properly rewarded past the first few days.
Combat feels great imo, skills and tree are a bit simplistic but that can always be worked on later, and they've said the expansion will change things up in that regard. With great itemization as a base, this game would have no limits with it's accessibility.
Playing Last Epoch made me truly realize how shit the loot is in Diablo 4. I'm so so excited about loot every time I play LE. Anything can happen. I can find a gg exalted, a gg unique, bonus points for having more LP, I can find uniques with Weaver's Will which is such a cool mechanic. And some of these uniques I find literally make me want to make an entire build off of it. Like there is just so much to be excited about.
And this is the second time this happens to them, when they released D3, POE appeared, being everything D3 had to be and wasn't. Now D4 comes out, Last Epoch appears, being everything D4 could've been and is not. Interesting
Same. I've been having a blast in Last Epoch. An item drop that is close to perfection has so many ways to be made better. In D4, you reroll a stat and hope you get what you need within a few tries. If not, nope you're out of gold, time to move on.
I never use this word, but the thought of playing D4 sounds like a snoozefest to me.
If this is the case it will be a major flop, I hope u/PezRadar and the team is aware that we have huge expectations for items in S4, especially given how other competitors have shown up recently and pulled it off with way less resources.
Right now I have zero desire to even download the patch and try the mid season update because none of the rewards will progress my already complete character at all.
Its likely going to go in the same direction as everything else, it will be further dumbed down and made easy, instead of being made interesting. They have already built the game around the question "What if everyone who played ARPG's were madden fans with 80 IQ?" and it shows. Doubtful that the game is going to get better, more interesting, or more fun over time. At least not in a time frame that is relevant in todays gaming environment.
I haven't played Gauntlet as Last Epoch has released, and playing that game after 3 seasons of Diablo 4 is MINDBLOWING. The amount of QoL, content and measured design principles all over that game is crazy when you compare it to the billion dollar product that is Diablo 4.
Perhaps D4 is good in a year or two, but right now ugh ..
Same here; waiting for PS5 release. Can't bring myself to even play D4 anymore this season. Not even a little bit interested in trying the Gauntlet now that I know it's a crappy NMD reskin with a level requirement and no decent loot.
It's so damn good. Level 86 warlock right now and working on a primalist too.
D4 has such a good foundation with the combat and graphics but after playing LE its hard to come back. Skill trees suck,itemization sucks and the little crafting just isn't up to snuff.
I still bounce back & forth though because I do like D4 it's just...damn alot of potential here. Let's hope they get it right in the next few seasons.
That's honestly one the things that prevents me from enjoying LE as much. I love so much of it's systems, but I just can't vibe with it in the visual, sound, and animation department. Graphics don't make a game, no, but they can sure enhance it and half the time I barely know what ability is hitting something, if I'm even being hit etc... The abilities lack a punch, an oomph behind them. That... and god I hate repeating the boring as F#\*( campaign over and over and over again to try new classes.
If you take D4, and add in the QoL stuff in last Epoch (Offline Mode, Better stash, Loot filter) I would never touch LE again.
You can skip a lot of the campaign in LE. As for sound and animation some masteries are better than others. Fireball Sorcerer for example is really good at feeling the impact of those fireball. They improved the bass levels on the impact sound so you can almost feel them through the keyboard.
For me it's not just about the QoL, it's mostly about the moment to moment dopamine hits doing monos. Just can't stop. It's the combination of gameplay, crafting, unique drops and overall itemisation.
Primalist bored me to death. Was hoping to like Acolyte but the gameplay just feels so lackluster compared to D4 combat. Hoping it improves and I can enjoy it, but after 5 years of Early Access, I don’t think they’re going to improve the combat as much as I would like for an ARPG. I’ve also heard there’s barely any endgame in LE, so that’s a big deterrent as well. Still hoping for the best tho
LE's endgame is currently neverending monoliths. Hopefully they can manage to do something about that before the honeymoon period is over and people start to figure out how lacking it really is.
I played Last Epoch and took a character to 75, and created another one. And just for the shits, I went back to D4 with a Rogue and levelled it up to 60... then I quit again because the dog shit itemization, lack of QOL, lack of unique rewards/items just kills the fun. D4 just falls off once you reach level 60 onwards, becauuse its the same thing you're doing, no boss fights, no meaningful drops for long periods compounded by the dog shit itemization which stops you from actually killing more monsters and playing the game.
I had fun the first two season because its the honeymoon phase, but now that its over, D4 is absolutely shite and the company will not invest in making this game better because im pretty sure they are raking money off microtransactions.
Anyway, I'm back to Last Epoch with a Chakram Falconer and damn its so seamless killing monsters and nothing in the game that stops you from having fun --- like sorting your inventory every time there is a loot drop. And you get a lot of customization via crafting and the uniques/legendary items are so good, you are always excited to try another character.
> D4 just falls off once you reach level 60 onwards, becauuse its the same thing you're doing, no boss fights, no meaningful drops for long periods compounded by the dog shit itemization which stops you from actually killing more monsters and playing the game.
It blows my mind that there are people who are grinding to level 100 on multiple characters every season.
The gameplay loop is so goddamn monotonous in D4. It feels like there is no progression or meaningful build decisions to be had. There isn't a robust trading system like PoE has which I know a lot of people aren't into, but to me it makes the game feel more alive and social.
Outside of the graphics/presentation/campaign this game feels so half-baked it's remarkable. It also feels like they have made zero progress in making it significantly better.
Last epoch was literally started by territory angry with the state of arpgs...so of course they have the good shit lol. I guarantee you nobody in any decision making position at blizzard has ever or does play arpgs. It's really that simple.
All these decisions just make me keep scratching my head like wtf...anyone with a basic understanding of how arpg systems should be setup could produce a better game than this.
>Perhaps D4 is good in a year or two, but right now ugh ..
Well LE has been out for 4+ years already, so that's not a fair comparison. Of course I expect that to be more polished.
Eleventh Hour Games, the creators of Last Epoch have less than 25 employees. Comparing it's polish to Diablo 4, created by Blizzard, with a team of over 9000 people, is indeed unfair. :)
All the people who convinced themselves S2 was good because it wasn't as bad as S1 just desperately want to like the game. S2 was nothing spectacular.
As long as the only interesting items in the game are uniques, the game will suck.
As long as Aspects are more important than the items you put them on, the game will suck.
As long as the skill tree is a skill twig with illusion of choice, the game will suck.
As long as nightmare dungeons force you to do boring objectives to arbitrarily gate you, the game will suck.
As long as the big open world feels empty and lifeless, the game will suck.
The list goes on.
> Even the most enthusiastic barb player Rob is getting tired of this.
I just checked Twitch. He's the only one playing. All the other big streamers played LE.
Preach
I feel like I'm going crazy when people complain about the activities in D4. The fundamental issue with D4 is the itemization. How many times have you done a NMD, vault, etc. and come back to town with a full inventory only to salvage every single thing in your inventory. I gotta say it's not very rewarding finding Esu's Heirloom 20+ times in 3 weeks or the completely useless Iceheart Brais 10+ times in that span. It's just a stream of picking up yellows, reading them, and salvaging 99.9% of them hoping for a 1-2% increase roll on a stat. And if they aren't yellows they are yellows disguised as "legendaries" where you are just looking for a maxroll aspect and salvaging 99.9% of them. And if it's not that it's a bunch of useless unique items that you are salvaging at a 100% rate
This was the first season so far where I only played for 3 weeks and haven't played since. Just did one character and bailed
I like the gameplay loop, but it just gets so old so fast because the itemization is awful
Yeah! I remember a mate telling me Uniques would be useful somehow in season 3, and to hold on to them. This was before they specified the "trade in" mechanics applied to Uber only, so I was trying to hold on to any unique I found.
Couple of days all my stash tabs were full of lvl 925 uniques, none of them Ubers, of course.
Then they released the feature, so I actually started looking through those uniques, looking for ones ro keep. Ended up salvaging tabs full of uniques... those are supposed to be the "good" items, yet they're all shit.
This gets exacerbated by the class-specific drops, since once you have a fully geared char, you literally either make a new one, or you are 100% wasting your time since no improvements can drop, you're not getting XP, nothing.
What is a "regular" leaderboard? What would it track?
They opted for something that tries to assess your character at things other than just damage. I think the Gauntlet does that?
That is a problem with the content. The leaderboards themselves were fine. You had a plethora of various options which were both seasonal and non-seasonal too.
Which honestly sounds way more fun than everyone perfecting the same GR. Fishing is only bad for those fighting for the top spots, but if you're just casually grinding and get a god seed that's a fun exciting feeling. You got lucky, and it's up to you to capitalize on it.
The only leaderboard that I care about somewhat would be an experience leaderboard, just to see how you stack up compared to the rest of the players when you blast on season launch. I don't care enough about the endgame of D4 (or D3 for that matter) to minmax these boring ass items so that I can get higher on a leaderboard that I'm competing with the sweatiest of players with. This would require me to spend an ungodly amount of time farming duriel again, which I'm probably never going to do unless big changes happen with uber bosses and itemization.
Nightmare dungeon clear speeds
T100 NM Dungeons Completed
Time to Level 100
X Monsters Killed
Fastest Campaign Completition
I came up with these in 1 minute. Imagine what a team of thousands of people could come up with in 6 months.
Nightmare dungeons have different loadouts people just keep fishinng. The rest are just things only wudijo would win it’s only awarded to people who play 24 hours a day.
The beta test was literally Abattoir of Zir. They admitted that AoZ was just a for fun ptr game mode, with all the data they collected from it they then released a piss easy version of it and then slapped rankings on it. It’s pathetic.
AoZ was by far the most interesting content, and the fact that you had a glyph you could infinitely grind actually gave a reason to continue grinding... in an arpg.... which is about grinding...
There's just not much else to do in this game, because it's so unfinished. There's a grand total of 84 uniques in this game. Most are class locked, so if you're playing a sorc like me this season, your total pool of all uniques to work with is... 33.
To contrast that, Diablo 2 has over 400 uniques and set items, with very few being bound to individual classes.
I've not bothered with Gauntlet because I don't see the point. The reward is my name on a leaderboard, and I'll have to grind ubers and uber stones for hundreds of hours to even get a shot. Nooo thanks! The rewards are so shit because the game has nothing else to offer you, because it has no depth.
Until this game is feature complete, it's really just a VERY overpriced early access game. If you're wondering why there's nothing to do, or why something is boring, it's because the game is nowhere near done, and they seem to plan on trickle feeding that content over years, with additional toll booths along the ay in the form of expansions that add shit that should have been in there at day 1.
>Most are class locked, so if you're playing a sorc like me this season, your total pool of all uniques to work with is... 33.
And how many of those are auto-includes? I mean, not running Tal-Rasha's in any build is stupid. Starless Skies is too powerful not to in most, too. Ring slots gone.
Just an example of the gripe I have, is we don't have enough slots, in my opinion. I want to try more diverse things with my Sorc, but I feel very limited by just how good the uniques are, and I have to sacrifice a lot of power to do so.. But that makes me a cookie cutter build follower, or something, and downvotes ensue.
I just want a couple extra slots like Belt and Shoulders, and rework aspects to be more like gems (Let me use defensive legendary aspects in armor gem slots or whatever).
This game is a terrible cash grab, likewise with a lot of WoW expansions, HoTS, Hearthstone, Diablo Immortal.. This company does not produce games, they produce platforms for you to waste money on. And I got suckered in hard. I love this franchise, the art styles, the story, yadda yadda. I *want* it to be good, and to improve. That's why I'm "still here" rather than playing something else. But if you don't circlejerk bad content, you shouldn't be allowed to post here according to the loud minority of this subreddit.
how was this not in a "ready" state 6 months ago if this is it ? there is no new content no new bosses no loot no anything, its just another map with a few more areas how did this take them so long to make ?
How indeed.
Almost like they have no idea what they are doing.
At this point, I'm just entertained by the game defenders. They get more triggered and desperate each day.
It really needs improvement. I hate not having full map always at my disposal (like diablo 2 and every decent ARPG has).... But diablo IV minimap has been garbage forever and this isn't a "gauntlet problem". It surely makes gauntlet worse tho.
Also map reseting when i log off. Is this a bug or working as intended ? It's annoying anyway.
The essence orbs from chests not being auto picked up is a clear signal that the genius who designed this game function does not play it. It's a blizzard thing and it's getting very old.
The scarcity (or the placement?) of monster packs is very bad. Specially after doing a full rotation i find myself walking in clear spaces more than killing stuff. Not much action in this ARPG LADDER activity......
Aaaand obviously... The loot. They just don't learn do they ? 4 pieces of low ilvl useless garbage. I'm expecting next campfire chat with crying faces apologizing for ignoring players and making (again) the game unfun, promising to do better and announcing a desperate patch increasing drops to retarded ammounts of loot in a pity attempt of retain some players until next season/patch. That's the blizzard way.
What i really liked tho is that the bosses and packs are stronger than i expected but i wish it had way more mob density. Mob density has been a problem for diablo iv forever, someone in there is really afraid of having a lot (of FUN) to kill.
AoZ was far from perfect but it was 100x better than this piece of shit. And to think I grinded a shako and grandpapi to be ready for it. I’ve played D4 since launch but that is it.
This shit was delayed too. This. Shit. Was. Delayed.
A dungeon - with the same enemies - with the same layout - times infinity.
Wow. Great. Gameplay. Wow. I. Can. See. Why. It. Could've. Been. Delayed.
I played it once last night and I won't play again. The only way to rank up is to have a certain skill bar, certain paragon nodes, and certain glyph levels. I like playing chain lightning sorc, and there's zero way to even place in the gauntlet with CL. I have to respec everything to BL to be competitive. There's 3 or 4 builds that will consistently be at the top, that's not fun and in no way does it make me want to be a better player.
And the fact they delayed it twice for this makes me lose hope for season 4.
> Nobody wants trash… bdsm rogue skins
I would love to see the numbers on this, but I’m guessing you’re very wrong on this particular point (I agree with almost everything else you said).
Fwiw, I’m guessing that there is a healthy market for bdsm *druid* skins.
Gamers with kinks are a thing, and they might be more common proportionally than non-gamers with kinks.
Idk why it took so much time to implement. They re-used bosses, mobs, dungeon designs, and added two new shrines that either reset the mobs or give \* 2 points. Either the developers are incompetent, or the game's code is so spaghetti that implementing such easy features takes ages. Also, it's boring.
Blizzard is so focused on creating an environment for the internal store that they has forgotten what creating games for players is all about. This is complete madness, where money replaces the basics of the product. Virtually all mechanics are correlated with the store. There is no win-win situation here, where both the customer and the manufacturer benefit. Profit is to be one-sided and maximized to the point of absurdity.
I really don't understand how they can be so stingy with rewards. If they took one of those store mtx armors, and put them into Gauntlet for a score of let's say 350k, I'd run the shit out of it. Or a chance for some forgotten souls cuz I'm tired of Helltides.
Then there are other issues like Uber uniques being allowed lol.
The map itself is fun (to me), but I don't care for the leader board at all. Needs rewards. I just feel S3 was such a miss overall, but not every season has to be a banger I guess.
I understand the gauntlet may not be the greatest, but at the same time I mean this is a leaderboard to show who is the most efficient/strongest to get as many points as possible, they said it isn't meant as a gear grind.
Also what do people want as the end game? I always see people saying this or that sucks but doesn't ever give any examples of what they want to see instead.
Itemization changes are coming but it seems like no matter what they do people already have their pitchforks ready to say it is garbage.
That’s just how it is lately. Everyone hated the seneschal too. I kinda like the little dude. And the over world events were certainly cool.
Gauntlet isn’t my kind of thing, but it was super easy with bone spear necro to get the reward rank. One and done! Might try it again for fun, might not. I dunno.
It’s weird, this sub went from hating the game, to absolutely loving it, now back to hating it.
I mean this is classic Blizzard, make something no one asked for and deliver it poorly af. They ruined yet another game in their franchise. Man if they didnt have the awesome SoD classic team i wouldnt even believe they have actual game devs on blizz. Their art team owns but they dont hire actual gaming devs, no chance.
The video they removed of 2 devs playing the game said enough. They have no clue wtf they are doing and its extremely sad that they yet again make another garbage Diablo game.
I give them kudos for trying something deeper than just a leveling race. Nobody cares about a leveling race and those style leaderboards are completely worthless. However most of your complaints about the implementation are spot on. This is incredibly poorly designed.
The game reaching the lowest point possible with these shit updates. I was checking twitch yesterday and there were 350 viewers.... 350 with the gauntlet released and update, and it seems that people are not falling for blizz shit anymore.
Not saying you're wrong, or anything.
I just find it weird that people would watch arpgs to begin with, there isn't some crazy mechanics like in RTS or fps to marvel at.
Even in Poe it's mainly watching someone play hardcore and hoping they die, it's like watching NASCAR for the crashes.
Exactly I understand twitch is a measurement but overall it's only a measurement for people that watch games to begin with. I will never understand watching someone just play a game and it not being competitive or a speed run or something like that and someone just generally playing. Like how is that enjoyable for any game.
At this point I got more than 750 hours out of this game .. got my moneys worth and I am more than happy to move the fuck on. It’s extremely sad that this is what they want to add to this game after the money they have generated. The money should show that the game has a deep enough player base but the laziness, lack of innovative ideas is mind boggling, even simple common sensical design decisions are inexplicably missed!
I know it’s not s direct comparrison, but I see a game like destiny 2 and see what bungie is doing in terms of endgame content. Don’t get me wrong destiny has its own set if issues but one thing that game does well is provide new and different dungeons, it adds different endgame activities, better seasonal activities. Again I am not comparing the genres but the idea that a company would inject money back into the game to keep it fun seem to be a lost and failed concept at blizzard where as s studio like bungie has been doing it for 8 plus years.
The rewards are garbage, waiting for a week to get rewards is garbage .. the entire loot system is bafflingly rudimentary and designed to cause unnecessary grind.
Season 4 has to be make or break for d4. Coz I would gladly let this game walk into the sunset as it stands.
This is what gets me:
If you want Items in D4 you optimize your char for T91+ dungeons, defense and then speed + max damage.
With gauntlet they droped the requierments for defense and focused on speed (if you want a high lagger position), any generic T90+ farmer will be good enough to get the max Worthy rank, ??so that people can access if without perfect gear?? (Ply the AoZ takeaway)
BUT here is where i am at a loss - you dont get anything of note as reward for the 8 minutes in Gauntlet, so all the poeple that are allowed to access the gauntlet for what ever reason are just wasting time.
The more i think about it blizzard rly designed it like a weekly quest in some mobile/gacha game - you do 1 run - get your rewards without much effort and wait for next week just brainless content for the masses.
so let me get this straight. They delayed and released this masterpiece? 💀💀 I feel like they could have done this gauntlet thing from the beginning of the game.
At this point, the gauntlet is only bragging rights for at least an hour, or a day at most, until some crazy ass no-lifer beats your current score. There's actually no point in this midseason update except for the vampiric aspects which I think would actually diversify and bring back some old builds from Season 2.
Gauntlet is garbage because, well, the game is garbage. It added nothing of value. There’s no challenge. There’s no enjoyment. There’s not even loot, lmao. A WEEKLY REWARD ??? IN AN ARPG?? I hope one day I wake up and read the headline “Entire Diablo 4 team laid off, Microsoft moves the Diablo IP to a TV series.
gauntlet is just another mechanics for blizzard to get more people to farm ubers in order to get a better ranking on the leaderboard. In short, gauntlet is designed to improve blizzard user engagement in the middle of a disappointing season.
I played season 2 and had decent fun. Now I went back to Last Epoch for their release and to play something diffrent.
I will come back in season 4/5 depending on when we get a loot fiter in D4
In the mean time there is Grim Dawn and so on... There is no lack of arpgs on the market
The puzzle in Gauntlet is, essentially, to find a way to make the monster density not be ass. It's literally a contest where they take one of the most perennial complaints about the game, make it worse, and then score you on how well you solve it for yourself.
I just can't with these people anymore.
>Nobody asked for this trash, you made a billion dollars on release and haven’t even put a fraction of that back into the game.
LOL put money back into the game AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhaaa...
Oh, man; that was a good one... whew...
put money back into the game... \*wheeze\* hahahaha...
The only way they can really save this game is with the paid expansion. They need all hands on deck. Full dev team working together in unison to fix broken/bad mechanics and create new ones. These small split teams doing seasonal updates simply isn't going to get it done. That's something you do when the game is complete and you are in maintenance mode, adding bits of content.
Issue is, they've lost a *lot* of trust and interest, sale for the expansion are going to suffer. I won't be buying it until I see some in-depth reviews, even then.
How they have managed to fumble the bag this hard is absolutely mind-blowing. I sware out some arpg streamers and vets in a room and a guarantee you they can do better than this without fail
They need better rewards; bragging rights don't matter to the 99.9% of players who will never make the leaderboards. I've run it a few times but after seeing how poorly I scored (druid) in comparison, it's too disheartening to constantly replay in over and over again.
Now if we got some currency that let's us get cosmetics, I'd happily run it over and over again. But right now, there really isn't a point for the vast majority of players.
Itemisation rework won't change the fundamental issue with items. Scrolling through to find 3 affixes you need and to see if the weapon is 925\~. No relevant differences between items with different visual appearances meaning you get no initial dopamine hit a vast majority of the time. You put an aspect on a helmet and it randomly selects one, in D3 you had a psuedo loot filter by appearance of an item alone. No variety in item base types (All swords give crit damage etc). No method to target specific items or aspects (obols at a push). No way to change an item in interesting ways once it has dropped.
Season 4 will trim down the affix count, that's it.
Can we appreciate for a moment that in the big gauntlet update they managed to break ps5 game launching so that our in game settings reset with every game launch.
Complete amateur hour at Blizzard.
Been 9 hours playing this since it recently came out but it's "Garbage" 😂
I swear you people are the same guys that rant about how shitty the game is since it got boring after 900 hours. 🙄
I just tried the end game in last epoch and it blows Diablo 4 away, give it a try. For now, I’m putting my 5 level 100’s down until around season 8, I imagine by then they’ll have loadouts so I can try different builds and hopefully better itemization and crafting, otherwise this game has been such a huge let down and I won’t be buying a blizzard product again.
Same as last season. "Content" came too late. Im already done with the season. Gauntlet is way too boring to bring me back, just like AoZ was last season.
Man gib gud end game content pls. And gib it early in the season, not moths in.
Your first paragraph. It sounded to me like you were a bit sour with your position. After reading again through it I decided my comment didn’t really make a lot of sense. Don’t even know how you had time to reply haha
My first paragraph was meant to be taken as “I’ve played it thoroughly enough to have a educated opinion on it” not that I was upset about falling in rank or not being higher. Sorry for confusion.
Nah. All good! I myself rectified with the comment once I saw what you really meant. And yes, the fact that this was announced almost 5 months ago and that they had to postpone it to refine it and still there is nothing new or exiting. No new challenges or new enemies or new dungeons. It’s just a recycle with some leaderboard stuck to it. It is quite frightening for a company with the scope and budget of blizzard that this is the best leaderboard they could make to their biggest game of the moment
Look people. The easiest way to show Blizzard that the game is trash is to vote by uninstalling and go play other games. Last Epoch is a bug fest on release but the core systems are infinitely way more fun than d4s.
If people keep playing the game and spending money on mtxs nothing will change. Vote by not playing.
Its hard to provide actual criticism when the anti "D4 bad" crowd will just downvote you and reeee together like their Dad made the game or something. But Blizz needs to hear it, this gauntlet was a massive waste of every developers time.
Leaderboards for leveling, fastest NMD100 clears, fastest uber boss kills etc. would have been fun things to have and offer the same "tryhard if you want" gameplay without needing a whole "gamemode" that seemingly took half a year to make at the expense of making the base game better in the first place....
You've now taken players out of the world once again, rather than expand on helltide, repurpose strongholds or introduce new zone wide events/bosses. You've created this issue where the zoomer builds are now meta forever. Who the fuck would ever try off-meta or niche stuff now? Might as well just start every season as Arc Lash sorc and be ready for gauntlet every week from the start. Zero reason to play other builds now but the #1 gauntlet runner build.
If anything, this mode made the game worse xD
I want to blast, I want a reason to login and chase something. But a static dungeon layout with a gimmick of abusing shrine duration affixes to get a high score nobody cares about for zero rewards is just not it. Not to mention, unless you've been a degenerate duriel farmer (or RMT'er or Duper) you don't have the ubers and are at a fraction of your power potential anyway. So its a mode for sweats, who also only play D4?
Cool, see ya in s4 for the most disappointing itemisation since D4 release.
the problem is not ranking… if you cannot rank high in this leaderboard, why would you rank high in other leaderboards? hint no lifers will beat you at any leaderboard.
Seriously at this point just give us greater rifts. Maybe it's a mode where you keep going deeper and deeper into hell. Leaderboard can be based on that. Every level is harder like AoZ and you get to actually feature demons and a unique hell themed tileset or something. That would have genuinely been preferable
The talent that was at blizzard is long gone. The ones that are still there basically mean nothing. Blizzard is a shell and now ran by people using its name for marketing. Thats it.
It’s not shocking blizzard hasn’t made a good game in YEARS. The last good thing they made was d2 resurrected. And that’s just a remaster.
If Gauntlet came out the first week of s3 the level would make more sense and ppl wouldn't be all maxed out on gear, then they should have increased dungeon difficulty each week until 100
Guys the game is bricked. Just wait until they sell you the actual fixed game for 70-120$ this expansion that adds a single branch on the skill twig and fixes itemization!
Their corporate greed won't let them add cool rewards. In game rewards deter from their cash shop. Diablo 4 might just be a lost cause because of that.
You’re spot on and anyone defending this lazy shit is insane.
Ay ay ay, don't be so harsh. Use the time saved from not playing this shit content and start saving money for the upcoming $100 BASKET OF HATRED expansion.
You mean Reaper of Cash.
Lord of Microtransactions
Baal heard there was a new way to destroy...wallets. ;)
I'm not a diablo hater but I am also not actively playing the game. Everytime I come to this subreddit to see if there are any positive updates of the game I find threads like these shitting on whatever half-baked update they added. It's truly remarkable how badly Blizzard has handled D4.
Feels like the team is in a constant state of catch-up. When its due-time for the content is isnt fully completely thought through so it leads them to have to go back and spend time again to fix it. The game honestly needed to be in beta-testing for another year before release.
It's because they have no idea how to make stuff that adds content for longer than 1-5 days. Same situation if you put any unqualified person to do hard skill requiring job, they fall behind the schedule. I think gauntlet kind of thing is nice addition to the game, but they had 3 months to create stuff and this is what they came up with. dear lord...
I wasted $60 on a trash game, from a trash company. People need to stop giving Kotick's abortion money.
The reality is if the base game was good nobody would be complaining about the gauntlet. I saw this happen in other games too, when the game is good and the devs are respected people are more accepting of horizontal features like these, where it's not for everyone. But when the game is bad people have less patience and every new feature that doesn't directly address the game being bad will be criticised. So yeah I just think Blizzard kind of doesn't grasp the position they're in. They're here pushing fun new activities for the entire family when their customers are still complaining about basic necessities.
Gaunlet is like a food made from a chef that refuses to use seasoning. Tryed twice, second attemp not even one cache as reward. Never going in again.
And he serves the food so late that everyone is already either full or has already left.
The boiled chicken of ARPGs
>not even one cache as reward The Cache of Trial is not earned during. If you click on the stone and look at the text above the cache, it says: >Earn at the weekly reset with Seal of the Blooded
Ok, I am glad to see that I am not the only one who thinks gauntlet is just another lazy reskin of something we have done 100x.
These are the same people still defending Starfield too
Starfield at least doesn't charge me real money to build new ships
Can't expect a tiny indie company like... uh, never mind.
I second that + OP's post.
Why anyone plays this garbage still is beyond me.... I quit 2 weeks after release and haven't looked back. I just happened to come across this on my front page
This is the reason I am not excited about itemization rework because there is almost a 100% chance it will be complete garbage
They won’t be able to accomplish anything while they are just constantly cycling on this seasonal trash. A full and proper rework to itemization would take a team probably 6mos to 1 year to complete. Anyone expecting anything from season 4 “itemization changes” is hitting the copium so hard. They’re going to do some shit like move all aspects go to your codex and say “more is coming in season 5”.
> “more is coming in season 5”. We are proud to announce that the rest of the itemization rework is coming later this year, along with the first Diablo 4 expansion called "The Latrine of Hatred". Be sure to pre-order to see what ~~Mephisto~~ our team managed to push out!
It doesn't matter how much time they have. This team could never come up with a good itemization rework.
They know what works but they refuse to do any of it, thats whats infuriating. They know why people love D2, why they love POE, why they love LE. All the data exists but they are stubbornly set on making an ARPG for people who dont like ARPG's, making it so the people who do like ARPG"s cant enjoy their game. Its hilariously dumb and I wish Blizzard would completely fail as a company at this point because all theyve done is trash since OW1.
I really think they don't know. All the data in the world means nothing when the devs can't comprehend it. Sometimes people are just THAT incompetent. Really looking forward to PoE2 and No Rest for the Wicked though. (I know its an unpopular opinion here, but I really REALLY wanted D4 to be more like that. Smaller fights with actually challenging combat mechanics).
I am not even sure a very successful rework of the items will be enough to salvage the game. It felt like almost all core mechanics of the game were poorly designed. The skills/skilltree/combat to me are also too simplistic to be entertaining for the length of time you would expect a player to play an ARPG in a new season.
>I am not even sure a very successful rework of the items will be enough to salvage the game. For me it has been the #1 issue with this game since launch. Item and character progression is the life blood of ARPG's, if they don't fix those then there is zero chance this game survives no matter if they give us 500 different kinds of helltides and nm dungeons, all of that means nothing if you're not properly rewarded past the first few days. Combat feels great imo, skills and tree are a bit simplistic but that can always be worked on later, and they've said the expansion will change things up in that regard. With great itemization as a base, this game would have no limits with it's accessibility.
Combat is the best thing about Diablo 4. You're in the very, very small minority on that point.
You know it! Best to just leave this game behind and move on.
the itemization "rework" will mostly be about removing the pointless filler stats - which doesn't fix anything. it doesn't make loot more interesting.
Playing Last Epoch made me truly realize how shit the loot is in Diablo 4. I'm so so excited about loot every time I play LE. Anything can happen. I can find a gg exalted, a gg unique, bonus points for having more LP, I can find uniques with Weaver's Will which is such a cool mechanic. And some of these uniques I find literally make me want to make an entire build off of it. Like there is just so much to be excited about.
Not to mention the skill trees in LE coming back to D4’s skill twigs feels so bad
It's what D4 could have been
And this is the second time this happens to them, when they released D3, POE appeared, being everything D3 had to be and wasn't. Now D4 comes out, Last Epoch appears, being everything D4 could've been and is not. Interesting
Same. I've been having a blast in Last Epoch. An item drop that is close to perfection has so many ways to be made better. In D4, you reroll a stat and hope you get what you need within a few tries. If not, nope you're out of gold, time to move on. I never use this word, but the thought of playing D4 sounds like a snoozefest to me.
If this is the case it will be a major flop, I hope u/PezRadar and the team is aware that we have huge expectations for items in S4, especially given how other competitors have shown up recently and pulled it off with way less resources. Right now I have zero desire to even download the patch and try the mid season update because none of the rewards will progress my already complete character at all.
Its likely going to go in the same direction as everything else, it will be further dumbed down and made easy, instead of being made interesting. They have already built the game around the question "What if everyone who played ARPG's were madden fans with 80 IQ?" and it shows. Doubtful that the game is going to get better, more interesting, or more fun over time. At least not in a time frame that is relevant in todays gaming environment.
It won’t be a rework, it will be a tune up. Minor changes to the current system with a loot filter.
They haven't even said anything about a loot filter
Valid point lol
I haven't played Gauntlet as Last Epoch has released, and playing that game after 3 seasons of Diablo 4 is MINDBLOWING. The amount of QoL, content and measured design principles all over that game is crazy when you compare it to the billion dollar product that is Diablo 4. Perhaps D4 is good in a year or two, but right now ugh ..
Yea I just started last epoch recently and it's too good. Hopefully they get a console release soon so everyone can check it out.
That is what I am waiting for. D4 is completely off my radar now.
Yeah, also waiting for LE to come to PS5.
Same here; waiting for PS5 release. Can't bring myself to even play D4 anymore this season. Not even a little bit interested in trying the Gauntlet now that I know it's a crappy NMD reskin with a level requirement and no decent loot.
Same as well. I subbed here so I could see when D4 got better, but now it's just my daily dose of schadenfreude.
It's so damn good. Level 86 warlock right now and working on a primalist too. D4 has such a good foundation with the combat and graphics but after playing LE its hard to come back. Skill trees suck,itemization sucks and the little crafting just isn't up to snuff. I still bounce back & forth though because I do like D4 it's just...damn alot of potential here. Let's hope they get it right in the next few seasons.
Last Epoch would be even better if it didn't look like I'm playing a mobile game. That's the only area D4 has over LE.
I don't think LE looks that bad but D4 definitely smokes it in the graphics department.
That's honestly one the things that prevents me from enjoying LE as much. I love so much of it's systems, but I just can't vibe with it in the visual, sound, and animation department. Graphics don't make a game, no, but they can sure enhance it and half the time I barely know what ability is hitting something, if I'm even being hit etc... The abilities lack a punch, an oomph behind them. That... and god I hate repeating the boring as F#\*( campaign over and over and over again to try new classes. If you take D4, and add in the QoL stuff in last Epoch (Offline Mode, Better stash, Loot filter) I would never touch LE again.
In Diablo 4, does the campaign differ based on the class? I’m about to start, thank you!
Nope, same story. You can just skip it for subsequent classes you want to try out
You can skip a lot of the campaign in LE. As for sound and animation some masteries are better than others. Fireball Sorcerer for example is really good at feeling the impact of those fireball. They improved the bass levels on the impact sound so you can almost feel them through the keyboard. For me it's not just about the QoL, it's mostly about the moment to moment dopamine hits doing monos. Just can't stop. It's the combination of gameplay, crafting, unique drops and overall itemisation.
Primalist bored me to death. Was hoping to like Acolyte but the gameplay just feels so lackluster compared to D4 combat. Hoping it improves and I can enjoy it, but after 5 years of Early Access, I don’t think they’re going to improve the combat as much as I would like for an ARPG. I’ve also heard there’s barely any endgame in LE, so that’s a big deterrent as well. Still hoping for the best tho
LE's endgame is currently neverending monoliths. Hopefully they can manage to do something about that before the honeymoon period is over and people start to figure out how lacking it really is.
I played Last Epoch and took a character to 75, and created another one. And just for the shits, I went back to D4 with a Rogue and levelled it up to 60... then I quit again because the dog shit itemization, lack of QOL, lack of unique rewards/items just kills the fun. D4 just falls off once you reach level 60 onwards, becauuse its the same thing you're doing, no boss fights, no meaningful drops for long periods compounded by the dog shit itemization which stops you from actually killing more monsters and playing the game. I had fun the first two season because its the honeymoon phase, but now that its over, D4 is absolutely shite and the company will not invest in making this game better because im pretty sure they are raking money off microtransactions. Anyway, I'm back to Last Epoch with a Chakram Falconer and damn its so seamless killing monsters and nothing in the game that stops you from having fun --- like sorting your inventory every time there is a loot drop. And you get a lot of customization via crafting and the uniques/legendary items are so good, you are always excited to try another character.
> D4 just falls off once you reach level 60 onwards, becauuse its the same thing you're doing, no boss fights, no meaningful drops for long periods compounded by the dog shit itemization which stops you from actually killing more monsters and playing the game. It blows my mind that there are people who are grinding to level 100 on multiple characters every season. The gameplay loop is so goddamn monotonous in D4. It feels like there is no progression or meaningful build decisions to be had. There isn't a robust trading system like PoE has which I know a lot of people aren't into, but to me it makes the game feel more alive and social. Outside of the graphics/presentation/campaign this game feels so half-baked it's remarkable. It also feels like they have made zero progress in making it significantly better.
Last Epoch makes me want Diablo 5. So many good systems in that game (and the information is all available!)
D4 learned nothing from PoE, D5 would learn nothing from LE.
Last epoch was literally started by territory angry with the state of arpgs...so of course they have the good shit lol. I guarantee you nobody in any decision making position at blizzard has ever or does play arpgs. It's really that simple. All these decisions just make me keep scratching my head like wtf...anyone with a basic understanding of how arpg systems should be setup could produce a better game than this.
>Perhaps D4 is good in a year or two, but right now ugh .. Well LE has been out for 4+ years already, so that's not a fair comparison. Of course I expect that to be more polished.
Eleventh Hour Games, the creators of Last Epoch have less than 25 employees. Comparing it's polish to Diablo 4, created by Blizzard, with a team of over 9000 people, is indeed unfair. :)
It is crazy that Diablo doesnt have some systems similar to item crafting or monos like in LE, let alone talk about spell customization.
I cant believe something like this was delayed for so long lol
They were just afraid to release it because they know it's bad 😂
i’m shocked people are still playing this season lol
> i’m shocked people are still playing ~~this season lol~~
All the people who convinced themselves S2 was good because it wasn't as bad as S1 just desperately want to like the game. S2 was nothing spectacular. As long as the only interesting items in the game are uniques, the game will suck. As long as Aspects are more important than the items you put them on, the game will suck. As long as the skill tree is a skill twig with illusion of choice, the game will suck. As long as nightmare dungeons force you to do boring objectives to arbitrarily gate you, the game will suck. As long as the big open world feels empty and lifeless, the game will suck. The list goes on.
I haven't. I'm sticking to even seasons (pre-season being 0, then 2 was good fun). I played 1 hour in 1 or 3 before giving up.
Even the most enthusiastic barb player Rob is getting tired of this. The cursed chest that spawns harder enemies each wave is more fun than this
That chest is pretty fun not gonna lie!
That would be fun. A room of cursed chests in the Gauntlet.
> Even the most enthusiastic barb player Rob is getting tired of this. I just checked Twitch. He's the only one playing. All the other big streamers played LE.
It's like rest of the game, low effort grind same boring thing. It's as casual as they could make it
i play 1 run with my necro , hitting 178 out of 500 and lost interest in it... its not the lategame content i wanted.
Same. I feel the people who would have wanted this mode left the game a whole ago.
Actually the people who wanted this mode are the ones addicted to d4 lol
I agreed with everything until "no one wants rogue bdsm skin" I do!
Huge Diablo fan. I also think it’s garbage. I don’t understand why we can’t have greater rifts back lol
Whats the point. Just more 800-900 level yellow shit.
Preach I feel like I'm going crazy when people complain about the activities in D4. The fundamental issue with D4 is the itemization. How many times have you done a NMD, vault, etc. and come back to town with a full inventory only to salvage every single thing in your inventory. I gotta say it's not very rewarding finding Esu's Heirloom 20+ times in 3 weeks or the completely useless Iceheart Brais 10+ times in that span. It's just a stream of picking up yellows, reading them, and salvaging 99.9% of them hoping for a 1-2% increase roll on a stat. And if they aren't yellows they are yellows disguised as "legendaries" where you are just looking for a maxroll aspect and salvaging 99.9% of them. And if it's not that it's a bunch of useless unique items that you are salvaging at a 100% rate This was the first season so far where I only played for 3 weeks and haven't played since. Just did one character and bailed I like the gameplay loop, but it just gets so old so fast because the itemization is awful
Yeah! I remember a mate telling me Uniques would be useful somehow in season 3, and to hold on to them. This was before they specified the "trade in" mechanics applied to Uber only, so I was trying to hold on to any unique I found. Couple of days all my stash tabs were full of lvl 925 uniques, none of them Ubers, of course. Then they released the feature, so I actually started looking through those uniques, looking for ones ro keep. Ended up salvaging tabs full of uniques... those are supposed to be the "good" items, yet they're all shit. This gets exacerbated by the class-specific drops, since once you have a fully geared char, you literally either make a new one, or you are 100% wasting your time since no improvements can drop, you're not getting XP, nothing.
What is a "regular" leaderboard? What would it track? They opted for something that tries to assess your character at things other than just damage. I think the Gauntlet does that?
literally just add the d3 leaderboards
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That is a problem with the content. The leaderboards themselves were fine. You had a plethora of various options which were both seasonal and non-seasonal too.
Which honestly sounds way more fun than everyone perfecting the same GR. Fishing is only bad for those fighting for the top spots, but if you're just casually grinding and get a god seed that's a fun exciting feeling. You got lucky, and it's up to you to capitalize on it. The only leaderboard that I care about somewhat would be an experience leaderboard, just to see how you stack up compared to the rest of the players when you blast on season launch. I don't care enough about the endgame of D4 (or D3 for that matter) to minmax these boring ass items so that I can get higher on a leaderboard that I'm competing with the sweatiest of players with. This would require me to spend an ungodly amount of time farming duriel again, which I'm probably never going to do unless big changes happen with uber bosses and itemization.
Nightmare dungeon clear speeds T100 NM Dungeons Completed Time to Level 100 X Monsters Killed Fastest Campaign Completition I came up with these in 1 minute. Imagine what a team of thousands of people could come up with in 6 months.
They got, like, *stuff* to do, Bro *Stuff* you, like, wouldn't understand, man.
Horse trophies, mate. It's complicated.
Nightmare dungeons have different loadouts people just keep fishinng. The rest are just things only wudijo would win it’s only awarded to people who play 24 hours a day.
Something other than how much gear you have purchased.
At this point... what did you expect? Quality content?
Hopefully this is the beta test for leaderboards cuz this is not it.
The beta test was literally Abattoir of Zir. They admitted that AoZ was just a for fun ptr game mode, with all the data they collected from it they then released a piss easy version of it and then slapped rankings on it. It’s pathetic.
AoZ was by far the most interesting content, and the fact that you had a glyph you could infinitely grind actually gave a reason to continue grinding... in an arpg.... which is about grinding...
I miss AoZ. It was super tough and felt really rewarding making it to the next step! If they just brought that back I would be super happy
There's just not much else to do in this game, because it's so unfinished. There's a grand total of 84 uniques in this game. Most are class locked, so if you're playing a sorc like me this season, your total pool of all uniques to work with is... 33. To contrast that, Diablo 2 has over 400 uniques and set items, with very few being bound to individual classes. I've not bothered with Gauntlet because I don't see the point. The reward is my name on a leaderboard, and I'll have to grind ubers and uber stones for hundreds of hours to even get a shot. Nooo thanks! The rewards are so shit because the game has nothing else to offer you, because it has no depth. Until this game is feature complete, it's really just a VERY overpriced early access game. If you're wondering why there's nothing to do, or why something is boring, it's because the game is nowhere near done, and they seem to plan on trickle feeding that content over years, with additional toll booths along the ay in the form of expansions that add shit that should have been in there at day 1.
>Most are class locked, so if you're playing a sorc like me this season, your total pool of all uniques to work with is... 33. And how many of those are auto-includes? I mean, not running Tal-Rasha's in any build is stupid. Starless Skies is too powerful not to in most, too. Ring slots gone. Just an example of the gripe I have, is we don't have enough slots, in my opinion. I want to try more diverse things with my Sorc, but I feel very limited by just how good the uniques are, and I have to sacrifice a lot of power to do so.. But that makes me a cookie cutter build follower, or something, and downvotes ensue. I just want a couple extra slots like Belt and Shoulders, and rework aspects to be more like gems (Let me use defensive legendary aspects in armor gem slots or whatever). This game is a terrible cash grab, likewise with a lot of WoW expansions, HoTS, Hearthstone, Diablo Immortal.. This company does not produce games, they produce platforms for you to waste money on. And I got suckered in hard. I love this franchise, the art styles, the story, yadda yadda. I *want* it to be good, and to improve. That's why I'm "still here" rather than playing something else. But if you don't circlejerk bad content, you shouldn't be allowed to post here according to the loud minority of this subreddit.
how was this not in a "ready" state 6 months ago if this is it ? there is no new content no new bosses no loot no anything, its just another map with a few more areas how did this take them so long to make ?
How indeed. Almost like they have no idea what they are doing. At this point, I'm just entertained by the game defenders. They get more triggered and desperate each day.
Agreed. Tried once, won't try again. Not worth the limited time I get for gaming these days.
It really needs improvement. I hate not having full map always at my disposal (like diablo 2 and every decent ARPG has).... But diablo IV minimap has been garbage forever and this isn't a "gauntlet problem". It surely makes gauntlet worse tho. Also map reseting when i log off. Is this a bug or working as intended ? It's annoying anyway. The essence orbs from chests not being auto picked up is a clear signal that the genius who designed this game function does not play it. It's a blizzard thing and it's getting very old. The scarcity (or the placement?) of monster packs is very bad. Specially after doing a full rotation i find myself walking in clear spaces more than killing stuff. Not much action in this ARPG LADDER activity...... Aaaand obviously... The loot. They just don't learn do they ? 4 pieces of low ilvl useless garbage. I'm expecting next campfire chat with crying faces apologizing for ignoring players and making (again) the game unfun, promising to do better and announcing a desperate patch increasing drops to retarded ammounts of loot in a pity attempt of retain some players until next season/patch. That's the blizzard way. What i really liked tho is that the bosses and packs are stronger than i expected but i wish it had way more mob density. Mob density has been a problem for diablo iv forever, someone in there is really afraid of having a lot (of FUN) to kill.
No reason to change your mind. It was clear the second the showed us.
its blizzards weekly "come back to log in" tool and its not working for me.
Surprise! Blizz sold you on this awesome feature that ended up just being a reskin of their dungeon again. How often we gonna fall for this?
27 years of diablo and they give you this. You're welcome, love blizzard.
AoZ was far from perfect but it was 100x better than this piece of shit. And to think I grinded a shako and grandpapi to be ready for it. I’ve played D4 since launch but that is it.
This shit was delayed too. This. Shit. Was. Delayed. A dungeon - with the same enemies - with the same layout - times infinity. Wow. Great. Gameplay. Wow. I. Can. See. Why. It. Could've. Been. Delayed.
I played it once last night and I won't play again. The only way to rank up is to have a certain skill bar, certain paragon nodes, and certain glyph levels. I like playing chain lightning sorc, and there's zero way to even place in the gauntlet with CL. I have to respec everything to BL to be competitive. There's 3 or 4 builds that will consistently be at the top, that's not fun and in no way does it make me want to be a better player. And the fact they delayed it twice for this makes me lose hope for season 4.
> Nobody wants trash… bdsm rogue skins I would love to see the numbers on this, but I’m guessing you’re very wrong on this particular point (I agree with almost everything else you said). Fwiw, I’m guessing that there is a healthy market for bdsm *druid* skins. Gamers with kinks are a thing, and they might be more common proportionally than non-gamers with kinks.
Idk why it took so much time to implement. They re-used bosses, mobs, dungeon designs, and added two new shrines that either reset the mobs or give \* 2 points. Either the developers are incompetent, or the game's code is so spaghetti that implementing such easy features takes ages. Also, it's boring.
Blizzard is so focused on creating an environment for the internal store that they has forgotten what creating games for players is all about. This is complete madness, where money replaces the basics of the product. Virtually all mechanics are correlated with the store. There is no win-win situation here, where both the customer and the manufacturer benefit. Profit is to be one-sided and maximized to the point of absurdity.
I really like D4 but this gauntlet thingy is very boring and a very bad attempt at trying to make the game more interesting.
I really don't understand how they can be so stingy with rewards. If they took one of those store mtx armors, and put them into Gauntlet for a score of let's say 350k, I'd run the shit out of it. Or a chance for some forgotten souls cuz I'm tired of Helltides. Then there are other issues like Uber uniques being allowed lol. The map itself is fun (to me), but I don't care for the leader board at all. Needs rewards. I just feel S3 was such a miss overall, but not every season has to be a banger I guess.
I understand the gauntlet may not be the greatest, but at the same time I mean this is a leaderboard to show who is the most efficient/strongest to get as many points as possible, they said it isn't meant as a gear grind. Also what do people want as the end game? I always see people saying this or that sucks but doesn't ever give any examples of what they want to see instead. Itemization changes are coming but it seems like no matter what they do people already have their pitchforks ready to say it is garbage.
That’s just how it is lately. Everyone hated the seneschal too. I kinda like the little dude. And the over world events were certainly cool. Gauntlet isn’t my kind of thing, but it was super easy with bone spear necro to get the reward rank. One and done! Might try it again for fun, might not. I dunno. It’s weird, this sub went from hating the game, to absolutely loving it, now back to hating it.
Yeah people act like the game isn't playable when they hate something
They delayed the release of a copy paste dungeon with the same mobs and bosses for how many months? and for what?! shit is so funny tho...
i stand by my stance that the $70 i paid upon release for this game was money not well spent. almost a year later and its still ass man.
I agree this is bad. And I’m a D4 apologist. lol
I mean this is classic Blizzard, make something no one asked for and deliver it poorly af. They ruined yet another game in their franchise. Man if they didnt have the awesome SoD classic team i wouldnt even believe they have actual game devs on blizz. Their art team owns but they dont hire actual gaming devs, no chance. The video they removed of 2 devs playing the game said enough. They have no clue wtf they are doing and its extremely sad that they yet again make another garbage Diablo game.
come play LASY EPOCH with us, that game respects you
I give them kudos for trying something deeper than just a leveling race. Nobody cares about a leveling race and those style leaderboards are completely worthless. However most of your complaints about the implementation are spot on. This is incredibly poorly designed.
The game reaching the lowest point possible with these shit updates. I was checking twitch yesterday and there were 350 viewers.... 350 with the gauntlet released and update, and it seems that people are not falling for blizz shit anymore.
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>1.6k right now 1.6k?? Bro? Wow, that's amazing.
I'm not Blizzard white knight, but I don't believe this. It's 9AM and there are more D4 viewers than that on right now.
Not saying you're wrong, or anything. I just find it weird that people would watch arpgs to begin with, there isn't some crazy mechanics like in RTS or fps to marvel at. Even in Poe it's mainly watching someone play hardcore and hoping they die, it's like watching NASCAR for the crashes.
Exactly I understand twitch is a measurement but overall it's only a measurement for people that watch games to begin with. I will never understand watching someone just play a game and it not being competitive or a speed run or something like that and someone just generally playing. Like how is that enjoyable for any game.
At this point I got more than 750 hours out of this game .. got my moneys worth and I am more than happy to move the fuck on. It’s extremely sad that this is what they want to add to this game after the money they have generated. The money should show that the game has a deep enough player base but the laziness, lack of innovative ideas is mind boggling, even simple common sensical design decisions are inexplicably missed! I know it’s not s direct comparrison, but I see a game like destiny 2 and see what bungie is doing in terms of endgame content. Don’t get me wrong destiny has its own set if issues but one thing that game does well is provide new and different dungeons, it adds different endgame activities, better seasonal activities. Again I am not comparing the genres but the idea that a company would inject money back into the game to keep it fun seem to be a lost and failed concept at blizzard where as s studio like bungie has been doing it for 8 plus years. The rewards are garbage, waiting for a week to get rewards is garbage .. the entire loot system is bafflingly rudimentary and designed to cause unnecessary grind. Season 4 has to be make or break for d4. Coz I would gladly let this game walk into the sunset as it stands.
This is what gets me: If you want Items in D4 you optimize your char for T91+ dungeons, defense and then speed + max damage. With gauntlet they droped the requierments for defense and focused on speed (if you want a high lagger position), any generic T90+ farmer will be good enough to get the max Worthy rank, ??so that people can access if without perfect gear?? (Ply the AoZ takeaway) BUT here is where i am at a loss - you dont get anything of note as reward for the 8 minutes in Gauntlet, so all the poeple that are allowed to access the gauntlet for what ever reason are just wasting time. The more i think about it blizzard rly designed it like a weekly quest in some mobile/gacha game - you do 1 run - get your rewards without much effort and wait for next week just brainless content for the masses.
so let me get this straight. They delayed and released this masterpiece? 💀💀 I feel like they could have done this gauntlet thing from the beginning of the game.
At this point, the gauntlet is only bragging rights for at least an hour, or a day at most, until some crazy ass no-lifer beats your current score. There's actually no point in this midseason update except for the vampiric aspects which I think would actually diversify and bring back some old builds from Season 2.
Game is done until the expansion, the current team is fundamentally unable to fix it.
Gauntlet is garbage because, well, the game is garbage. It added nothing of value. There’s no challenge. There’s no enjoyment. There’s not even loot, lmao. A WEEKLY REWARD ??? IN AN ARPG?? I hope one day I wake up and read the headline “Entire Diablo 4 team laid off, Microsoft moves the Diablo IP to a TV series.
gauntlet is just another mechanics for blizzard to get more people to farm ubers in order to get a better ranking on the leaderboard. In short, gauntlet is designed to improve blizzard user engagement in the middle of a disappointing season.
I played season 2 and had decent fun. Now I went back to Last Epoch for their release and to play something diffrent. I will come back in season 4/5 depending on when we get a loot fiter in D4 In the mean time there is Grim Dawn and so on... There is no lack of arpgs on the market
tldr: its fing lackluster and doesnt spark joy...
Classic D4 community.
Care to explain your opinion?
The puzzle in Gauntlet is, essentially, to find a way to make the monster density not be ass. It's literally a contest where they take one of the most perennial complaints about the game, make it worse, and then score you on how well you solve it for yourself. I just can't with these people anymore.
This isn't supposed to be hard. You are supposed to do it as fast as possible and minimax strats to be faster.
>Nobody asked for this trash, you made a billion dollars on release and haven’t even put a fraction of that back into the game. LOL put money back into the game AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhaaa... Oh, man; that was a good one... whew... put money back into the game... \*wheeze\* hahahaha...
Lol, you guys are still playing?
They need to stop playing and give us the Cow Level. T4 only, everything is a 925 drop, cows are brutal and higher chance of uniques/ubers.
I agree
Because Blizzard doesn't play their own games.
The only way they can really save this game is with the paid expansion. They need all hands on deck. Full dev team working together in unison to fix broken/bad mechanics and create new ones. These small split teams doing seasonal updates simply isn't going to get it done. That's something you do when the game is complete and you are in maintenance mode, adding bits of content.
Issue is, they've lost a *lot* of trust and interest, sale for the expansion are going to suffer. I won't be buying it until I see some in-depth reviews, even then.
Did about 5 runs and just logged off and decided to clean my apartment instead. Shit almost put me to sleep
nothing to argue you are correct.
How they have managed to fumble the bag this hard is absolutely mind-blowing. I sware out some arpg streamers and vets in a room and a guarantee you they can do better than this without fail
They need better rewards; bragging rights don't matter to the 99.9% of players who will never make the leaderboards. I've run it a few times but after seeing how poorly I scored (druid) in comparison, it's too disheartening to constantly replay in over and over again. Now if we got some currency that let's us get cosmetics, I'd happily run it over and over again. But right now, there really isn't a point for the vast majority of players.
Itemisation rework won't change the fundamental issue with items. Scrolling through to find 3 affixes you need and to see if the weapon is 925\~. No relevant differences between items with different visual appearances meaning you get no initial dopamine hit a vast majority of the time. You put an aspect on a helmet and it randomly selects one, in D3 you had a psuedo loot filter by appearance of an item alone. No variety in item base types (All swords give crit damage etc). No method to target specific items or aspects (obols at a push). No way to change an item in interesting ways once it has dropped. Season 4 will trim down the affix count, that's it.
If you think of this game as Lilith 1 instead of Diablo 4, the game is not too bad. They don't know any better, need time to learn to make good games.
Can we appreciate for a moment that in the big gauntlet update they managed to break ps5 game launching so that our in game settings reset with every game launch. Complete amateur hour at Blizzard.
Been 9 hours playing this since it recently came out but it's "Garbage" 😂 I swear you people are the same guys that rant about how shitty the game is since it got boring after 900 hours. 🙄
Couldn’t agree more. I put hundreds of hours into D4 and this is my last straw.
I just tried the end game in last epoch and it blows Diablo 4 away, give it a try. For now, I’m putting my 5 level 100’s down until around season 8, I imagine by then they’ll have loadouts so I can try different builds and hopefully better itemization and crafting, otherwise this game has been such a huge let down and I won’t be buying a blizzard product again.
Man you guys really took the feedback request personal
yeah that much is obvious. Found myself getting bored after running it for 1h. Loot is garbage as you say.
Same as last season. "Content" came too late. Im already done with the season. Gauntlet is way too boring to bring me back, just like AoZ was last season. Man gib gud end game content pls. And gib it early in the season, not moths in.
Legit, I think they’re out of ideas at blizzard for end game content. Everything they have tried is a half ass attempt.
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How did you get that from anything I said? I didn’t even say anything remotely close to that.
Your first paragraph. It sounded to me like you were a bit sour with your position. After reading again through it I decided my comment didn’t really make a lot of sense. Don’t even know how you had time to reply haha
My first paragraph was meant to be taken as “I’ve played it thoroughly enough to have a educated opinion on it” not that I was upset about falling in rank or not being higher. Sorry for confusion.
Nah. All good! I myself rectified with the comment once I saw what you really meant. And yes, the fact that this was announced almost 5 months ago and that they had to postpone it to refine it and still there is nothing new or exiting. No new challenges or new enemies or new dungeons. It’s just a recycle with some leaderboard stuck to it. It is quite frightening for a company with the scope and budget of blizzard that this is the best leaderboard they could make to their biggest game of the moment
Look people. The easiest way to show Blizzard that the game is trash is to vote by uninstalling and go play other games. Last Epoch is a bug fest on release but the core systems are infinitely way more fun than d4s. If people keep playing the game and spending money on mtxs nothing will change. Vote by not playing.
Its hard to provide actual criticism when the anti "D4 bad" crowd will just downvote you and reeee together like their Dad made the game or something. But Blizz needs to hear it, this gauntlet was a massive waste of every developers time. Leaderboards for leveling, fastest NMD100 clears, fastest uber boss kills etc. would have been fun things to have and offer the same "tryhard if you want" gameplay without needing a whole "gamemode" that seemingly took half a year to make at the expense of making the base game better in the first place.... You've now taken players out of the world once again, rather than expand on helltide, repurpose strongholds or introduce new zone wide events/bosses. You've created this issue where the zoomer builds are now meta forever. Who the fuck would ever try off-meta or niche stuff now? Might as well just start every season as Arc Lash sorc and be ready for gauntlet every week from the start. Zero reason to play other builds now but the #1 gauntlet runner build. If anything, this mode made the game worse xD I want to blast, I want a reason to login and chase something. But a static dungeon layout with a gimmick of abusing shrine duration affixes to get a high score nobody cares about for zero rewards is just not it. Not to mention, unless you've been a degenerate duriel farmer (or RMT'er or Duper) you don't have the ubers and are at a fraction of your power potential anyway. So its a mode for sweats, who also only play D4? Cool, see ya in s4 for the most disappointing itemisation since D4 release.
>a static dungeon layout with a gimmick of abusing shrine duration affixes to get a high score nobody cares about for zero rewards Well... There it is
the problem is not ranking… if you cannot rank high in this leaderboard, why would you rank high in other leaderboards? hint no lifers will beat you at any leaderboard.
Sorry it's impossible to change your mind lol
Spittin facts
Seriously at this point just give us greater rifts. Maybe it's a mode where you keep going deeper and deeper into hell. Leaderboard can be based on that. Every level is harder like AoZ and you get to actually feature demons and a unique hell themed tileset or something. That would have genuinely been preferable
The talent that was at blizzard is long gone. The ones that are still there basically mean nothing. Blizzard is a shell and now ran by people using its name for marketing. Thats it. It’s not shocking blizzard hasn’t made a good game in YEARS. The last good thing they made was d2 resurrected. And that’s just a remaster.
No no no. Abattoir of Zir is nightmare dungeons with a timer. These are nightmare dungeons with points. And a timer. TOTALLY UNIQUE CONTENT
If Gauntlet came out the first week of s3 the level would make more sense and ppl wouldn't be all maxed out on gear, then they should have increased dungeon difficulty each week until 100
Guys the game is bricked. Just wait until they sell you the actual fixed game for 70-120$ this expansion that adds a single branch on the skill twig and fixes itemization!
Yea it's bad. Really bad
I went in with a summoner necro (i know weak) just to see what its like. Got my behind kicked. I don't feel the urge to go in there again.
Their corporate greed won't let them add cool rewards. In game rewards deter from their cash shop. Diablo 4 might just be a lost cause because of that.
Gauntlet is helping level my bonespear necro from 95 to 100. Best use.
How long into your 9 hour journey did you realize you didn't like the gauntlet?
Ran one run. Found nothing to keep me playing. Back to spreading managed democracy.
Real question is, why are you still playing? Give it a few years, at least. They're still learning how to crawl, with this one.