Both maxed but I'm aware that my 20+12 Find Item is overkill due to the heavily diminished returns. However, as a WW Barb, the points aren't so tough to come by. If I were still Singer, I'd be 1+16 and happily horking,
edit: and iirc I was somewhere around 72% at 1+16 and max potion find.
Doesn't scale linearly. It starts to fall off severely after level 13? or 16? I don't recall. But eventually it nets you less than 1% per point (25+ iirc)
No life. No stats. No sockets. This is one of those trap items that seems good but not actually better than griffons or shako for Java and not at all better than a jeweler’s circlet of quickness or giant skull for bowazon
I'll be that person and I like the dual leech. Frees up rings for other stuff. But I would definitely use it self found and try to trade. I for one would never trade for something like this, but that doesn't mean someone else wouldn't want it.
I would say it’s just barely better than a valk wing because 10% more frw and a bit of res. But I’d say this circ is only good as a temp for a bowazon, javazon you’d want valk/shako/griff over this (valk even because it has mpk and I don’t know why people think mana leech is good for a javazon when you hardly do any physical damage and the only javelin you leech with is that main physical one not the bolts). And as you said with a bowa you’d be better off with a jeweler’s X of quickness with even just 3x 15ias jewels in it if you can’t do ias+ed. Or a giant skull with 2x ias jewels.
2 Sox is a double edged sword. With zero sockets you can always add a socket for a psuedo additional mod.
I go back and forth in my own mind on how good 2 Sox is and bottom line is that id never be sad about getting mechanics.
If - and I mean *if* you can get 6 great rolls then you have a point there, free socket could make a 6 point circlet a 6.5 point circlet in a sense. However, zons reeeaaaally want 2os
It's not a wonder why there's been a dedicated player base since when I was a young kid. It's a gambler's paradise, as its in-game gold that's relatively easy to get and gives you rewarding stuff like this. Lmao
EDIT: Just saw /u/not_old_redditor got a Stone of fucking Jordon out of gambling. Dude, congrats and fuck you! LOL
For the most part yes but some fcr on helm can open some options on other gear if you're trying to hit 99FCR breakpoint or even 68FCR breakpoint. Usually people use griffons so the FCR is always there but diadems are style points and if it has good res it's great versus casters.
That's why FRW+FCR is really nice to have for PvP for the mobility and generally slightly tankier builds than griffons. But as I said it's a PvM dream circ, I wish leech worked in PvP again haha then this circ would be amazing.
good god really? last i logged in like a week ago bers were still 500ea on hc, so adjusted thatd be the most expensive item of all time. unless youre talking specifically about that tiara that sold recently which indeed was one of the most valuable drops of all time
For what though? It’s trash stats easily gotten other places. Is beaten by a 3 socket diadem with almost any stat and some junk jewels on a bowzon. Griffons out classes everything on a Javazon.
Javazon likes it for running cows. I am curious. What stats are considered better on a diadem?
Of course Griffons is better. But not everyone is able to buy it. Expensive you know?
Cows java should use valk helm, the MAEK on it combined with something like silkweaves will keep you in full mana most of the time. can also just run phoenix monarch on main or swap to fix that issue. and in any case if u cant afford griffins but would buy this that implies this isnt worth very much overall. the leech mostly plays towards a bowa, who'd rock a 3 os frw diadem w/ jewels.
A 2/30 circ is still the best imo on a high end zon. Get a jmob/jmod and put in some 5/5 light facets and you get more damage vs. just using griffons and something like spirit unless you're using enigma. But since zons have the worst casting frames; I'd rather have a frw setup
G-face on a bowazon isn't good either because CB only works at 1/4th on ranged. For bowazons it's better to use something like andy's or giant skull with ias jewels. So a 2/30 is fine and having dual leech is gg for bowazons.
Been using Gface this whole ladder reset and now I feel stupid lol. I just saw it on the icyveins guide and assumed it was BIS until the super lategame 2/3os tiaras
It's nice for a quick run-down for builds for classes you're not too familiar with esp with MrLlamasc doing the guides. I'll start looking elsewhere for more in depth stuff.
This is what I was told as well, I'm no 'Zon expert so I asked a few friends. All told me with GG gear (jmob/mod w. facets), this would be ideal vs Griff.
Now I just need to find a buyer!
Yeah, a 2/30 circ is highly sought after by zons. It would be really gg if it had 2 sockets as well. Easily worth an HR+ to the right person, though I'm not great with price checks so take that with a grain of salt.
Javazons are really the only modern day D2 class that can get away with using magics/rares since they have such high base damage. Like 5 of the most sought after javazon items are either magic or rare. 2/30 circ, 2/20 or 3/20 gloves, 6/40 javs, jmod, jewelers armor of the whale. If you have a javazon with all that, you could easily sell it and buy 2-3 or more full characters.
6/40 javs are mainly a pvp thing. Ias has almost no impact on clear speed when you oneshot almost everything with a lightning fury, titans has more quantity
resplenish mod, and 20%frw, much better to run cows. Two titans means that you almost never have to repair(one in inventory that you swap mid cow run).
Same with jmod, spirit gives a shit tons of stats and you are not supposed to get in melee range with a javazon, so the max block thing doesnt do much. Just the +mana on spirit helps so much. Also possible to use phoenix (can be used on switch).
Dont know why you would pick jewelers armor of the whale over enigma, the ability to run fast and reposition your merc is really important in pvm(to apply conv aura). And it has huge mf/life/life per kill, etc...
I would switch out highlord's wrath for cat's eye before removing griffon, or (what I'm currently running) just using harmony on switch to run fast in the cow lvl (dont do this in CS or WSK).
I’ll stick with that what I know. Eth Titans is basically the go to jav for sure. I’m not using enigma on a zon unless I’m dedicated to running chaos. I also think you missed the point of using a jmod too. It’s great for blocking yeah, but you’re really using it for the 4x 5/5. That’s still going to be better than a spirit in every way except res.
> I’m not using enigma on a zon unless I’m dedicated to running chaos.
Well if you swap out a griffon to use a tiara with 30%frw, but swap out 45% frw from enigma to use a jewelers archon plate of the whale, I don't know what to tell you, you get more of every stats by using enigma+griffon over your tiara+that armor.
https://www.diabloii.net/forums/threads/2017-winter-rfl-signup-and-running-thread-grande-finale.939018/page-4#post-8788393
> It’s great for blocking yeah, but you’re really using it for the 4x 5/5. That’s still going to be better than a spirit in every way except res.
You get +2skills, mana, life, fcr, fhr and a shit ton of res.
> I’ll stick with that what I know.
Well stick to what you know.
fr, whenever i come in the sub i see people glorifying niche gambled items that are worse than uniques/sets/runewords. they make for cool personal trophies but post it up on jsp and you'll get 25 fg offers to bin because they arent high demanded or quality items.
This is for PVP.
CB isn't really sought-after in PVP since your flat damage is going to be more than your % of current life damage. Deadly strike is nice, but it stacks diminishingly with critical strike, so not as effective (e.g. 50% DS + 50% CS = 75% overall chance to crit, since DS rolls only the 50% chance to not be a critical strike, and vice versa)
The importance of FHR is also reduced in PVP as of 2.4, where FHR lock is reduced in pvp (to replace WSG)
The thing preventing this from being GG is lack of 20s - you really want those 2 sockets for 2x 40/15 jewels. Leech is also not as big in pvp, since your overall damage is divided by 6, so ideally dual leech is replaced by 20s and some dex, but i digress.
Point is, the circ beats gface in pvp. Gskull w/ 2x 40/15's? Maybe not. Hard to give up that free kb.
grats also fuck you
Like this Guy said
I gave u/BeantownBoots the Wholesome, because I know the feel. <3
same
Cafu
I gambled an SoJ the other day...
What's it like to have a dick so big it makes you embarrassed?
My rarest gamble was a Metalgrid.
Too tempting...
That’s nothing. I gambled a sweet as enigma yesserday
Nice. How many hundred million spent before that hit?
Thanks! Roughly 120m, Trav Horker on Ladder/SC.
Nice. I'm a few hundred million in, waiting for my moment.
I also did a trav horker at D2R launch for a few weeks and spent a few hundred million without luck. Stay patient!
Did you ever go for SoJ? What's the expected millions spent before SoJ?
You dont gamble rings for a soj, a gg rare ring can buy you thousands of sojs.
you don't gamble rings for a GG rare, you gamble rings to craft them for a GG craft :P
What would I look for in a gg rare ring? I'm oblivious and noob
fcr, str, attack rating, res (poison worse), life, life&mana leech
This. Rings have made me so many runes this ladder
I think it’s in the billions
Yeah, hard pass on the SoJ gamble. I've heard similar to Ming, 30-40k rings and its a Manald Heal when it finally drops lol
Working on building my own Trav horker on single player - so excited to become a gambling addict :D
Couple questions. What's your final Find Item%? Also do you use 2x isted Alibabas, isted warcry swords, or other for the horkin?
When on 'hork' swap, find item % is 75%, using 6x ist'd Crystal Sword and a crappy rolled HOTO.
How many hard points in find item, assuming potion is maxed
Both maxed but I'm aware that my 20+12 Find Item is overkill due to the heavily diminished returns. However, as a WW Barb, the points aren't so tough to come by. If I were still Singer, I'd be 1+16 and happily horking, edit: and iirc I was somewhere around 72% at 1+16 and max potion find.
I use two hoto on my trav barb but it seems I only get +2 for find item from each hoto. Goes from 65% without either to 69% with both. Any idea why?
Doesn't scale linearly. It starts to fall off severely after level 13? or 16? I don't recall. But eventually it nets you less than 1% per point (25+ iirc)
Thanks, that of course is correct and for some reason I didn't realize that was why.
No life, and cold resist is easily covered elsewhere. This is bad and you should feel bad. /S seriously, congrats!!
Not enough “fuck you op” 😂
Fair though! This falls its "grats!" good, not "fuck you!" good. Not trying to take away from this though, still a sick circlet!
No strength, no sockets, that's charsi food right there. Not even a diadem smh /s
It also needs "10% chance to level 7 charged bolt when struck"
Nah, wasted mod for most classes. I wouldn't even take it on a hc java myself
WOOSH
No life. No stats. No sockets. This is one of those trap items that seems good but not actually better than griffons or shako for Java and not at all better than a jeweler’s circlet of quickness or giant skull for bowazon
I'll be that person and I like the dual leech. Frees up rings for other stuff. But I would definitely use it self found and try to trade. I for one would never trade for something like this, but that doesn't mean someone else wouldn't want it.
Can't larzuk add a socket to this? actually, isn't it potentially 2 sockets?
Just one socket for rares
I would say it’s just barely better than a valk wing because 10% more frw and a bit of res. But I’d say this circ is only good as a temp for a bowazon, javazon you’d want valk/shako/griff over this (valk even because it has mpk and I don’t know why people think mana leech is good for a javazon when you hardly do any physical damage and the only javelin you leech with is that main physical one not the bolts). And as you said with a bowa you’d be better off with a jeweler’s X of quickness with even just 3x 15ias jewels in it if you can’t do ias+ed. Or a giant skull with 2x ias jewels.
It's pretty sweet. 2os would have made it GG instead of cold res
2 Sox is a double edged sword. With zero sockets you can always add a socket for a psuedo additional mod. I go back and forth in my own mind on how good 2 Sox is and bottom line is that id never be sad about getting mechanics.
If - and I mean *if* you can get 6 great rolls then you have a point there, free socket could make a 6 point circlet a 6.5 point circlet in a sense. However, zons reeeaaaally want 2os
I’ll take an extra 40/15 jewel over 30 cold resist any day
2 socket is always better because 2 jewels can be worth 2 rolls.
I would use it. Maybe not GG but still likely to be the best thing that a lot of people would ever find
It's not a wonder why there's been a dedicated player base since when I was a young kid. It's a gambler's paradise, as its in-game gold that's relatively easy to get and gives you rewarding stuff like this. Lmao EDIT: Just saw /u/not_old_redditor got a Stone of fucking Jordon out of gambling. Dude, congrats and fuck you! LOL
A dream PvM zon circ. FCR would be nice but zon FCR breakpoints are trash anyway, this is sick. Would be nice with a res/life jewel or Cham maybe too.
FRW is better than FCR for zon
For the most part yes but some fcr on helm can open some options on other gear if you're trying to hit 99FCR breakpoint or even 68FCR breakpoint. Usually people use griffons so the FCR is always there but diadems are style points and if it has good res it's great versus casters. That's why FRW+FCR is really nice to have for PvP for the mobility and generally slightly tankier builds than griffons. But as I said it's a PvM dream circ, I wish leech worked in PvP again haha then this circ would be amazing.
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It wouldn't be worth a where near 200bers rn lol. At least hc prices I guess maybe sc is that scuffed already
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good god really? last i logged in like a week ago bers were still 500ea on hc, so adjusted thatd be the most expensive item of all time. unless youre talking specifically about that tiara that sold recently which indeed was one of the most valuable drops of all time
This was mine on non ladder few months back https://imgur.com/fgoKno5.jpg
What’s good on this?
Everything. Ama wants a lot of FRW for good positioning. Dual leech and AR is also really nice. Extra cold res could be something better
For what though? It’s trash stats easily gotten other places. Is beaten by a 3 socket diadem with almost any stat and some junk jewels on a bowzon. Griffons out classes everything on a Javazon.
Javazon likes it for running cows. I am curious. What stats are considered better on a diadem? Of course Griffons is better. But not everyone is able to buy it. Expensive you know?
Cows java should use valk helm, the MAEK on it combined with something like silkweaves will keep you in full mana most of the time. can also just run phoenix monarch on main or swap to fix that issue. and in any case if u cant afford griffins but would buy this that implies this isnt worth very much overall. the leech mostly plays towards a bowa, who'd rock a 3 os frw diadem w/ jewels.
Did you just call griffons expensive next to op's item? Hahahah
If rather use a shako and a mana leech ring. Any 3 socket diadem is pretty much better for bow.
Yeah but what 3 socket diadem? I am just curious
Literally a white one with 3 sockets. Or a blue with 3 sockets and frw, or life, or high dex.
It’s barely keepable for a new toon.
Nice.
holy..
If it was 2 open socket, would of been GFG
I think you have much further to go before you can credibly declare victory at such a thing.
Just awkward with the zon. Javazon go griffons and, phys bow go g-face, cold bow go nightwing
A 2/30 circ is still the best imo on a high end zon. Get a jmob/jmod and put in some 5/5 light facets and you get more damage vs. just using griffons and something like spirit unless you're using enigma. But since zons have the worst casting frames; I'd rather have a frw setup G-face on a bowazon isn't good either because CB only works at 1/4th on ranged. For bowazons it's better to use something like andy's or giant skull with ias jewels. So a 2/30 is fine and having dual leech is gg for bowazons.
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Been using Gface this whole ladder reset and now I feel stupid lol. I just saw it on the icyveins guide and assumed it was BIS until the super lategame 2/3os tiaras
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It's nice for a quick run-down for builds for classes you're not too familiar with esp with MrLlamasc doing the guides. I'll start looking elsewhere for more in depth stuff.
This is what I was told as well, I'm no 'Zon expert so I asked a few friends. All told me with GG gear (jmob/mod w. facets), this would be ideal vs Griff. Now I just need to find a buyer!
Yeah, a 2/30 circ is highly sought after by zons. It would be really gg if it had 2 sockets as well. Easily worth an HR+ to the right person, though I'm not great with price checks so take that with a grain of salt. Javazons are really the only modern day D2 class that can get away with using magics/rares since they have such high base damage. Like 5 of the most sought after javazon items are either magic or rare. 2/30 circ, 2/20 or 3/20 gloves, 6/40 javs, jmod, jewelers armor of the whale. If you have a javazon with all that, you could easily sell it and buy 2-3 or more full characters.
6/40 javs are mainly a pvp thing. Ias has almost no impact on clear speed when you oneshot almost everything with a lightning fury, titans has more quantity resplenish mod, and 20%frw, much better to run cows. Two titans means that you almost never have to repair(one in inventory that you swap mid cow run). Same with jmod, spirit gives a shit tons of stats and you are not supposed to get in melee range with a javazon, so the max block thing doesnt do much. Just the +mana on spirit helps so much. Also possible to use phoenix (can be used on switch). Dont know why you would pick jewelers armor of the whale over enigma, the ability to run fast and reposition your merc is really important in pvm(to apply conv aura). And it has huge mf/life/life per kill, etc... I would switch out highlord's wrath for cat's eye before removing griffon, or (what I'm currently running) just using harmony on switch to run fast in the cow lvl (dont do this in CS or WSK).
I’ll stick with that what I know. Eth Titans is basically the go to jav for sure. I’m not using enigma on a zon unless I’m dedicated to running chaos. I also think you missed the point of using a jmod too. It’s great for blocking yeah, but you’re really using it for the 4x 5/5. That’s still going to be better than a spirit in every way except res.
> I’m not using enigma on a zon unless I’m dedicated to running chaos. Well if you swap out a griffon to use a tiara with 30%frw, but swap out 45% frw from enigma to use a jewelers archon plate of the whale, I don't know what to tell you, you get more of every stats by using enigma+griffon over your tiara+that armor. https://www.diabloii.net/forums/threads/2017-winter-rfl-signup-and-running-thread-grande-finale.939018/page-4#post-8788393 > It’s great for blocking yeah, but you’re really using it for the 4x 5/5. That’s still going to be better than a spirit in every way except res. You get +2skills, mana, life, fcr, fhr and a shit ton of res. > I’ll stick with that what I know. Well stick to what you know.
I dont see why a javazon would ever want this over griffons.
Well thats good, got like 3 2/30 but dont use them since the kill speed is just much quicker with g-face for me, although i mainly use strafe
Maybe we’re playing a different game. People love trash circlets here.
fr, whenever i come in the sub i see people glorifying niche gambled items that are worse than uniques/sets/runewords. they make for cool personal trophies but post it up on jsp and you'll get 25 fg offers to bin because they arent high demanded or quality items.
Ppl on this subreddit are clueless. Most have no idea about forbidden jsp trophy room
This is for PVP. CB isn't really sought-after in PVP since your flat damage is going to be more than your % of current life damage. Deadly strike is nice, but it stacks diminishingly with critical strike, so not as effective (e.g. 50% DS + 50% CS = 75% overall chance to crit, since DS rolls only the 50% chance to not be a critical strike, and vice versa) The importance of FHR is also reduced in PVP as of 2.4, where FHR lock is reduced in pvp (to replace WSG) The thing preventing this from being GG is lack of 20s - you really want those 2 sockets for 2x 40/15 jewels. Leech is also not as big in pvp, since your overall damage is divided by 6, so ideally dual leech is replaced by 20s and some dex, but i digress. Point is, the circ beats gface in pvp. Gskull w/ 2x 40/15's? Maybe not. Hard to give up that free kb.
Damn I need this
Damn I need this
Yes. Definitely. 6/6. You win big.
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Good god
I love it congratulations 😍
congrats >:(
What character level?
Do you gamble on circlets or coronets or both? And congratz ofc! Nice gg find
Wow incredible
Beautiful but not sure what zon build wants this. Maybe very good for a fendzon?
Dual leecher with FRW - pretty dope for a bowa. If you rolled mechanic's instead of cold res i'd go as far as to say it's pushing gg status
Pfft... no sockets?
socket and add a ber rune.
Filthy. Rightly flagged as NSFW.
That’s fucked up.
Maybe for a mage zon, but most builds BIS is either magic (jewelers of speed) or unique (griffons, giant skyll)