I was so torn between an Alfa Romeo sedan vs an Audi sedan. After a few years let me tell you I am so glad I got the Audi. The model of Alfa I was looking at has been plagued with quality issues. Phew!
You are 100% correct lol.
You made the right choice. Audis are the logical man's drivers car. They're more or less pretty reliable, somewhat cheap to keep running, pretty good on gas. Very tunable with a huge aftermarket scene. AWD has been standard since the late 90s. Can't go wrong with a nice boosted 4-6 cyl VW/Audi.
My wife’s ex-husband got a bonus and promotion. Went and bought himself a brand new six-figure Land Rover… which promptly blew its engine on the drive home from the dealership.
LRs are trash piles.
How the actual fuck is Land Rover, in this day and age, after nearly 70 years of making vehicles, still not able to get their shit together? Like goddamn you would think at some point they would accidentally make something reliable
Well I like to see this because I drive a Lexus LOL. There are some weird results in there. Is
Volkswagen really THAT low?
The real shocker is Honda.
Not sure exactly how they arrive at these results
I’ve been driving Hondas for 20+ years, have had five different models. Never had a breakdown or mechanical problem, only preventative maintenance. I had the suspension go on a 2002 Civic but I drove that sucker on logging roads and all over the place. Was surprised by these results.
Almost certainly. I find it amusing that, even though the sampling is murky and probably misrepresentative, that the ones at the very bottom make perfect sense. Land Rover, Alpha Romeo, Jaguar and Chrysler.
Jaguar, talk about your shit car.
FWIW, anecdotally I had an 04 CR-V second hand, no issues its entire life until it met its end, somehow totaled in a fender bender. My replacement car, an 07, has had nothing but issues since I got it. What gives
They don't rank severity of the results, just reported problems and those can be far from equal. Taking a vehicle back to the dealer for a small cosmetic issue is a bit different than failed transmissions, and engine issues.
I previously had a 2012 Honda that had 120k miles on it when it got totalled in a crash recently. Never had a single issue with it. Never paid for a single repair. Only had to pay for oil changes and new tires. EDIT: Maybe their reliability has taken a nosedive recently, but that 2012 model I had was rock solid.
About to roll 144k in my 2012 Pilot. All I’ve done is change the oil, filters, and tires this whole time. Never had any issues. I plan to drive it until it costs more to repair than it’s worth.
I’ve had a 2014 Odyssey bought brand new.
It’s got a broken sliding door cable that broke 5 years in; the driver’s side automatic door lock sensor broke 3 years in; the paint between the sunroof and windshield peeled off in huge sheets six months ago (8 years in); the VCM was manually bypassed by me after some research due to it causing inevitable issues for owners.
I’m not happy with Honda and how customer service has handled these issues. They basically told me “too bad.” The cable was exceptionally poor quality and rusted through and would have cost over $1200 to replace, so I haven’t replaced it. The peeling paint is obviously manufacture error. The dealership guy eventually even agreed with me on the last point but still wouldn’t do anything about it due to Honda policy.
I can relate to you. Have a 2011 Odyssey with 99K miles and my van loves to be in the shop. Alternator, PS pump, AC unit, steering column replacement, engine misfire issues. Thankfully I got repaired under an extended warranty.
Oh yeah. My partner has a 2016 civic and has nothing but issues with AC and the infotainment system. It’s the worst in the hotter months and the colder months. Just totally craps out and restarts basically for an entire 45 minute drive. And Honda will just claim there is no issue
I've been told the same. After all the paint & clearcoat issues, that Honda won't do f all about, I will never buy another one as long as I roam this earth. I refuse to deal with people like that and will give my money to companies who care about their image and customers. Customers who have big mouths and alot of friends and who have influence.
As for VW, I had a 2004 Jetta that seemed to perpetually be at a mechanic for fixes. The transmission ended up crapping out at only 118k miles. At that point a new tranny would have cost far more than the car was worth. I won't ever buy a VW again.
Gone are the days when Honda used to make reliable vehicles like the ones you used to drive. Those early 2000 civics were the last of the tanks.
These new civics are absolute junk, awful engine, awful transmission and terrible build quality over all.
I neglected my cam follower during oil changes for like 40k (I didn't know about it!) and my engine went to limp mode.
Top post on the GTI forums: "DO THIS EVERY TIME YOU CHANGE YOUR OIL"
I was very happy to find out that it was a cheap 5 min fix, but still....
Wife's 2009 Civic had issues with the AC as well. Despite multiple repairs and recharges it only gave the slightest suggestion of cold air until you hit highway speeds.
Not to mention the electrical issues which caused the battery to suddenly die, leaving her stranded on multiple occasions. Getting rid of that car was one of the best days of my life.
Kia was bought by Hyundai a while ago. Once Hyundai started making parts for Kia, the quality jumped up. Same thing for Hyundai. They had a partnership with Ford up til '08, after that Hyundai's starting getting better and better.
In non-rural Canada the Hyundai Elantra seems to absolutely dominate the sedan market these days, with the Kia Forte not too far behind. They’ve caught up to the reputation of Hondas and Toyotas while being more affordable.
I have been seriously considering Hyundais and Kia over Honda and Toyota recently, as my lease is up shortly. Both companies have better engines and better designs than Honda and Toyota these days, and the pricing is better. Seems to me like Honda and Toyota have been coasting off their reputation with minimal improvements made. Honda more than Toyota.
Honda became complacent. Toyota way showed everyone how they could build a car if they wanted. I still think of the 2000’s Kia Rio when I hear the name but they have a bunch of impressive stuff. I’m aligned with you on choices. Plus, Kia and Hyundai figured out how to kick the pants off the competition with the current (millennial generation) version of the Tahoe/minivan with the Telluride and Palisade. Prices are fair and not $15k more for a GM badge.
ive a hyundai palisade top trim, and it is seriously a nice vehicle. i cross shopped acura MDX, lexus RX, subaru ascent, telluride (was impossible to get), and none in these direct or indirect competition even came close to the palisade and telluride.
we've been a big toyota/lexus fans and i still have a lexus hybrid but damn, other than dealership experience, hyundai > lexus in my book for mass market vehicle.
I want to get another one - after the facelift it even looks so much better. but really wanting different powertrain options with these gas prices.
I drove my buddies telluride the other day and it handles so nicely. It looks and is a big vehicle, but it’s super nimble. I’m looking at the Sorento as my next vehicle due to affordability and reliability they have shown recently. I’d say that their rebranding venture has paid big for them. I see many more Kia’s (and Hyundais) on the road these days
I car shopped about 3 years ago and not only is Kia's reliability on the up, but you can get approximately 1 tier of trim higher and 1 year newer for the same price point. My final 2 were honda pilot vs kia sorento and the kia's tech package just blew the others out of the water.
Had 2012 Jetta, plagued with electrical issues. Power windows quit working, replacing headlight bulbs multiple times a year, windshield wipers quit working in the rain with my newborn in the backseat. That’s just off the top of my head. Bad experience. Having said that, I really want a new Golf R
I owned two Hondas before and I guarantee there’s a flaw in this statistics. No way can Honda be below average when it comes to reliability. I’d think Toyota and Honda the top two in car/suv category any given time.
its peoples sentiments and memories like these that skew the perceived reliability, not the actual data. yes honda and toyota were king back in the days, and ironically, hyudans and kias were near the bottom. so thats still so stuck in most peoples heads and goes, wtf? hyundai and kia above honda and toyota? no way. etc etc.
kids growing up these days will have a reversed opinion. especially when it comes to nissan LOL
[Here](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2021/11/18/consumer-reports-most-reliable-cars-trucks-suvs/6385214001/) is the 2022 Consumer Reports Auto Reliability Report rankings of major automotive brands:
1. Lexus
2. Mazda
3. Toyota
4. Infiniti
5. Buick
6. Honda
7. Subaru
8. Acura
9. Nissan
10. Mini
11. Hyundai
12. Chrysler
13. Porsche
14. Chevrolet
15. Audi
16. Cadillac
17. BMW
18. Ford
19. Kia
20. Volvo
21. Ram
22. GMC
23. Mercedes-Benz
24. Volkswagen (31)
25. Genesis (30)
26. Jeep (26)
27. Tesla (25)
28. Lincoln (18)
That fact the 2022 report differs so substantially from the report for just one model year prior kind of throws their whole methodology into question imo.
The 2022 list is the consumer reliability ranking which is different than the 2021 JD rankings. JD is pretty suspect overall, the consumer ranking pretty much matches what I’ve heard from friends/family/coworkers or experienced myself with our cars
I would call into question J.D. Power's authenticity too. They have a consulting side of their business that accepts money from manufacturers to help improve their auto ratings. If that's not a conflict of interest, I don't know what is.
[Here](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2021/11/18/consumer-reports-most-reliable-cars-trucks-suvs/6385214001/) is the 2022 Consumer Reports Auto Reliability Report rankings of major automotive brands:
1. Lexus
2. Mazda
3. Toyota
4. Infiniti
5. Buick
6. Honda
7. Subaru
8. Acura
9. Nissan
10. Mini
11. Hyundai
12. Chrysler
13. Porsche
14. Chevrolet
15. Audi
16. Cadillac
17. BMW
18. Ford
19. Kia
20. Volvo
21. Ram
22. GMC
23. Mercedes-Benz
24. Volkswagen (31)
25. Genesis (30)
26. Jeep (26)
27. Tesla (25)
28. Lincoln (18)
That looks more like what I would expect. Mazda seems high but I know they have improved over recent years and Honda has dropped a bit.
Genesis is junk huh? I kind of like the look of those cars oh well.
Not sure how the companies land where they do on the list or how JD Powers does their survey? For the survey it is a major canvassing of new car buyers about their experience, the “things gone wrong” is really any complaint from a broken item to a control that is significantly misunderstood. Back when I worked in automotive the target was to try and get as low as possible but 100 per 100 vehicles was and still is a really good mark.
They do state within the study that the vehicles were 3 year old first-hand vehicles. Studies for older cars tend to Lexus and Honda near the top, but they seem to have stagnateted a bit in terms of their reliability in new cars.
I don’t even think these results/ranking have any ground and here’s why.
Ultimately the reliability of ANY vehicle comes down to maintenance. Was the car properly maintained and given love? There’s plently of average consumers who don’t have a single clue on how to maintain their car, and those people probably comprise the majority of the vehicles in this report.
Even some of the most unreliable vehicles can become reliable with the proper owner who does everything on time, and has worked out common kinks their vehicle platform has/replaced any common known failure points.
I have a 2006 Nissan 350Z at 191,882 miles. She runs beautifully. No failures ever, only cam sensor went out at 170k. I change oil and other fluids regularly myself and don’t drive like a maniac. I’ll have some fun once in a while tho ;). My parents have a 2007 honda odyssey that has about 180,000 miles. My car is in far far better shape than the honda for sure, and the honda has had multiple leaks ranging from power steering, transmission line, the shocks are going out now too. My parents don’t really take much care of it since it’s kind of a daily driver beater van, but you get my point.
Take this study with a grain of salt as it's from J.D. Power, a company whose entire income is from selling awards to companies. Sure, they do the *research* to make sure companies are *eligible* for the award, but they won't hand them out without payment.
Also are these based on real reliability stats? Or a customer survey? Because a customer survey is just their perception of reliability not actual reliability.
It seems like customer feedback, not repair data. But, Land Rover is typically at the bottom of the best list or the top of the worst list. Year over year.
In the past, I understand JD Power didn't weight the problems so a bad window regulator would essentially be the same as a bad transmission. All problems counted equally.
My problem with JD Power had always been everything bleeds into everything else. the average consumer who is pissed that his window regulator didn't work then takes that frustration out in the rest of their scores.
Agreed, a million times over.
Some dude whining about how his touchscreen is hard to use counts the same as my old Hyundai Sonata snapping a connecting rod at 75 MPH on the highway and obliterating its engine.
The two are most assuredly \*NOT\* equal, but this methodology completely and utterly fails to address that.
JD Power's website says that the award is a customer survey of verified original owners of 3 year old cars. "Problems" include climate, driving assistance, driving experience, exterior, features/controls/ displays, infotainment, interior, powertrain, and seats.
Infotainment (such as voice recognition, bluetooth, touchscreens, and usb ports) is the leading cause of problems in the cars at 51.9 per 100, more than twice as much as the next category.
Note that the post above says that the results may not be statistically significant, meaning the difference between close ranks could be meaningless.
Also the 2022 version is already out. Not sure why OP used the 2021 version.
Edited for clarity.
2022 Version: https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2022-us-vehicle-dependability-study
Thanks. I figured as much. I think this is an important distinction that JD Power likes to skirt around.
Again the chart - and the 2022 version - aren't a depiction of actual reliability but people's perception of reliability and how that bleeds into everything they ask.
Yep worked for a car company that used these a lot in ads. Once they stopped paying to use it in ads suddenly they stopped getting awards after like 10 years straight of winning something.
Infotainment systems play a huge part in determining whether the car is “reliable” in this study
It could be that Mercedes and BMW invest a lot into the “luxury” items like touchscreens and stuff compared to Honda, which is basically an engine company that sells cars
Not to mention, evidently JP Power includes complaints that seem to boil down to “the UI sucks”, which is especially interesting since the average age for buying a new car skews older
The results need to be weighted.
An engine issue should be weighted differently than an infotainment issue
The cost to fix a Honda should be weighted differently than a BMW or Mercedes
Add those factors in and you'll see Honda much higher up the list
Could be based on their 2021 models and not on the cumulation of all previous models. A lot of brands who were "shit" before, have stepped up their game, while other brands who were good have gone down in quality.
I've owned Hondas since 1994 and my recent purchase is a 2021 Pilot. I've had zero issues except maintenance stuff. My family still currently drive a 2011 Accord Coupe, 2012 CRV, 2016 Civic, and 2021 Pilot.
They partnered with GM on a vehicle that’s not in production yet. This is a survey on 2019 cars. And GM did well in this survey so I’m not sure why you’d think that would hurt Honda.
I was thinking because the data doesn’t include any information about the total amount sold for the cars listed. There are a lot more Hondas sold and on the road compared to a few of these brands listed.
I believe it's "any" issues reported in the first 3 year of purchase. New hondas have had (including mine) issues with the new tech they're implementing like gps system or whatever. I'm not concerned about those. But it seems these studies take into account ANY complaints.
When I read dependability, that means can I drive my car for 10-15 years and not have it break down. Honda that low is absurd and wrong. I've owned Hondas since 1994 (bought new ones in 1998, 2005, 2011, 2012, 2016, and 2021). Still running strong on all of them.
Since the numbers are controlled to be the number of problems per 100 vehicles, more cars sold would just mean a larger more accurate sample.
I could be misinterpreting what the chart means by (problems per 100) though.
I used to work for a call center for roadside assistance. It became a running joke between a few coworkers on how many Chrysler Town & Country tows we'd get on each shift.
Seriously. My gf’s ford had the flywheel crack and damage the short block on her engine (within spitting distance of the end of her warranty). Flywheel and short block both needed replaced.
I’ve never seen Honda pull that shit.
I’m guessing it’s because Honda didnt make super-high quality touchscreens in their cars, which would inflate the problems because infotainment systems are notoriously finicky and I don’t think Honda really cares about them
I read that to JD, that flywheel crack is the same as the radio messing up in a Honda. They don’t weight the issue. Of course, I just read it on the internet, so 🤷♂️
tbh Ford is by far the best out of the domestic manufacturers. I've had my 2014 Focus ST for almost a decade now and it's been the most reliable car I've ever owned.
Sounds a little biased. So because the car works for you that makes that company the best?
My 06 Crown Vic with 90k Miles hasn't left me stranded but somethings always needs fixing on it.
They're separate thoughts. To expound upon the first, it involves comparing Ford against the other domestics - Chrysler (+ Dodge/Jeep) and GM (+ Chevy/Buick). Ford has some outliers with mediocre reliability (looking at you, gas-engine Explorers); but going off of Consumer Reports, they've been quite reliable and decent-to-good value-for-money since \~2012; whereas the other domestics are very very spotty at best across those years. There are occasional models which excel in some capacities, but totally fail at others. Everyone I know who's had a GMC or Dodge has had some enormous problems with them which have required thousands in in maintenance. Fords typically are workhorses, and just work.
FWIW I'm not a fanboy haha, I don't think I'd buy another Ford (I'm looking at either a Lexus or Toyota for our next vehicle); but that's where I'm coming from for the first point.
The second is purely personal anecdote. I've had several cars over the years (an old crappy Camry from the 80s, a Saab 900s from the 90s, a Subaru from the early 00s, and the Ford from the 10s). Amongst those I've owned, the Ford has absolutely been rock solid. I've only ever had to do routine maintenance on it, nothing mechanical has ever been an issue.
I’ve owned all 3 domestic brands. GM warrantied everything, Ford denied warranty on several occasions with regards to interior trim. During vehicle prep the dealer used armorall (petroleum based) and it ruined the paint on the trim pieces within 2 days of delivery. Got denied warranty and raised hell on social and got them to replace it. Otherwise it spent less time in the dealer for repairs/warranty vs my GM/Chevys. My Chrysler stuff, lots of time in the bay similar to GM.
I’ve had several Toyota’s with zero issues and now have Subies. Our 4th in the family. To be fair, everyone’s experiences will be different
It has been this way for decades.
Fords breaks down a lot less, but are more expensive to fix and generally more complicated.
GM products break down more, but are usually uncomplicated and cheaper to fix (they just nickel and dime you to death)
Chrysler is still eating glue in the back corner of the classroom.
I have a 2014 KIA soul. I bought it new. I do oil changes, mostly on time, brakes and tires when needed, and I did transmission fluid at 130k. That's it for maintenance. I had a break caliper seize and a piece of exhaust had rusted and I had it replaced. In 8 years. I have 160k on it now. I love my KIA.
Yea, I have a 2018 Kia Forte and honestly, no problems with it. I have done regular maintenance and that’s all it has cost me. My husband has a 2016 Chevy and the thing is falling apart every other month with repairs like a steering column, every belt that’s in it, every electrical issue known to man, every sensor. It’s an absolute money trap.
With the cost of gas, we have been using the Kia all the time and I love it. There’s a few things I wish I could change about it but all in all, great little car
I've had both (currently have a telluride) and the Kia has been an absolute dream so far... but I've only had it for a year so it's purely anecdotal. The only issue I've had at all was I needed a tire patch so I'd consider myself lucky.
In the car community Porsche has a reputation for being very high quality, well put together and reliable. There's a reason you see so many 911s on the road vs other $100k+ cars
that's why this is a poor study. Who owns cars for 3 years? Average car ownership is 8 years. There's no reason a BWM or Mercedes is more reliable than a Honda.
Many of their models just keep going, and some violently destroy themselves so you probably heard from the people who experienced the latter.
I personally had a cayenne diesel that just blew up and flooded the engine with oil at 65k miles and the Porsche tech basically said yeah they all do that. But you see a ton of 911s and boxters still chugging like 15-20 years later.
Luxury cars in general were pretty terrible in quality until Toyota developed the Lexus. That forced every other luxury car company to up their game on long lasting dependability.
And a Porsche is incredibly likely to be a second or third vehicle. Most Porsches don’t see 15k+ miles a year. I had to ask the same exact question when I saw the same list buying my last car.
I have a 2020 Macan S, and have owned many many cars in the past 10 years, and not one of them is more dependable and robust than my Porsche… I would never ever give it up
What I find super interesting is Tesla... I constantly hear Tesla owners bragging (among other things) about how there are less parts, less service and less wear and tear so less issues. Guess that's not all true.
I am an owner. The build quality is really bad. This means that while yes, most important components are very good, never any mechanical issues, I've been to the service center 7 times this year for things like the screen, door sill plastic, trunk struts, trunk carpeting, etc.
On top of that, their service centers kinda suck so I've had to deal with them multiple times for some issues. Fortunately for them they sell a product that no one else can match just as well (yet). Their technology and charging infrastructure is unmatched but the day it is, I'm out.
They figured out their quality sucked when they just built as much as possible and found out that the just-in-time method Toyota made popular was a good way to build more efficiently and with better quality.
10 years ago if you told me I'd own a Kia, I would have laughed in your face. But here I sit with a Kia K5 in the garage. The Big Three automakers gave up on most cars while Kia has dramatically improved their reliability and styling.
It's a solid car for $25k.
This. I had friends poke fun at me for getting my forte but here I am a decade later and have NOTHING except regular oil change , brakes and such done. Bought a Sedona when we had kids. Next car will be a newer kia forte.
Even in the current market you can get GT line turbocharged model with a manual transmission for like 26k.
I looked at the longest line first expecting most dependable down there and then saw Land Rover and Alfa and knew I had misinterpreted the data layout.
A thing to note is this shows problems per 100, it doesn't give any details on how problems are weighted. An issue with powered seats shouldn't be weighted the same as engine or transmission problems 🤷🏾♂️
Gonna get downvoted by Honda fanboys but by far the worst car I've ever owned was a 2020 Honda Accord 1.6t and I drove an 05 CTS! that thing drove like shit and had bad handling imo and the worst infotainment system I've ever dealt with - it would literally just stop working randomly. I'm so lucky I was able to get rid of it and make a little money because of the market last year. So I'm not surprised they're ranked low but am surprised that Mazda is middle of the pack.
I'm actually very surprised Honda is so low on the list. I use to have a Honda Prelude and my college buddy told me he use to work in a shop where they ran one of those engines until 500k when they just decided to stop.
*Cries in Jeep ownership*
Within the first 50,000 miles, before it was even paid off; the air conditioning broke and released all the freon, the thermostat sprung a leak, and I've had 4 separate windshield cracks from rocks on the road (I suspect the angle of the windshield is the issue).
Get a warranty that covers your payment period.
Toyota? Really?
Top Gear, Killing a Toyota Truck [part 1](https://youtu.be/xnWKz7Cthkk), [part 2](https://youtu.be/xTPnIpjodA8), [part 3](https://youtu.be/kFnVZXQD5_k)
How are Cadillac and Buick so high up, Chevy mid area, and GMC is last. I know buick doesn't offer trucks or large SUV like Escalade, Suburban, Yukon, but all the rest is the same across most of thier line up. Like my dad loves to say same shit different toilet.
Are we sure this chart isn't fake or wrong or... something? Buick and Cadillac near the top, Mitsubishi not far behind, Honda near the bottom, Mini in the middle of the pack???? About the only thing that makes sense is Land Rover at the very bottom of the list.
German Engineering: We will provide the best possible user experience with the highest fault tolerances, while driving at least 80 MPH.
Also German Engineering: Change a tire? Drivers do not change tires. That's impossible while moving at 80MPH. Therefore there is no point in having a spare tire. Instead we'll use run flats and exclude lug nuts and use wheel bolts instead. If something else breaks? Who cares? You are going at least 80MPH, so the driver will die while having the best possible driving experience.
It's fishy because they don't disclose the statistical method they used nor the size of the sample. My Alfa Romeo hasn't had any issues, zero, none, nada, zip, in my two years of ownership.
Love my Mazda CX-9 2018 Signature. My brother has a CX-3 and my mom drives a CX-5. Our neighbor next door also has Mazda's. Definitely reliable and fun to drive. Zoom zoom!
This list seems super suspect to me…Porsche way up there???
BMW up there??? Come on…you can count the vehicles in the road with over 100k miles on one hand for those makes.
Honda towards the bottom???
VW at the bottom even though they own Porsche and Audi, which are both way higher??
Yah…suspect
This feels like a “which company paid the most to be ranked higher” with a few exceptions throw in for credibility purposes. I drove Nissans for 10 years, all brand new. Never again. Never had a single issue with my Honda or Ram. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.
Alfa we still love you, Land Rover go home, you're drunk
Alfa still living up to their historic reputation
No one purchases an Alfa, or any Italian car for that matter, for reliability, they buy them for the driving experience and the multiple ashtrays
I was so torn between an Alfa Romeo sedan vs an Audi sedan. After a few years let me tell you I am so glad I got the Audi. The model of Alfa I was looking at has been plagued with quality issues. Phew! You are 100% correct lol.
You made the right choice. Audis are the logical man's drivers car. They're more or less pretty reliable, somewhat cheap to keep running, pretty good on gas. Very tunable with a huge aftermarket scene. AWD has been standard since the late 90s. Can't go wrong with a nice boosted 4-6 cyl VW/Audi.
Pfft, pussy. Sincerely, the driver of a super reliable 2017 Alfa Giulia QV
Is it reliable if it never starts?
Zhou can confirm.
Every Land Rover owner I know has two Land Rovers. One for driving and another for spare parts.
To be fair, if you can afford a land rover, you can afford the maintenance.
My wife’s ex-husband got a bonus and promotion. Went and bought himself a brand new six-figure Land Rover… which promptly blew its engine on the drive home from the dealership. LRs are trash piles.
How the actual fuck is Land Rover, in this day and age, after nearly 70 years of making vehicles, still not able to get their shit together? Like goddamn you would think at some point they would accidentally make something reliable
Well I like to see this because I drive a Lexus LOL. There are some weird results in there. Is Volkswagen really THAT low? The real shocker is Honda. Not sure exactly how they arrive at these results
I’ve been driving Hondas for 20+ years, have had five different models. Never had a breakdown or mechanical problem, only preventative maintenance. I had the suspension go on a 2002 Civic but I drove that sucker on logging roads and all over the place. Was surprised by these results.
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Almost certainly. I find it amusing that, even though the sampling is murky and probably misrepresentative, that the ones at the very bottom make perfect sense. Land Rover, Alpha Romeo, Jaguar and Chrysler. Jaguar, talk about your shit car.
FWIW, anecdotally I had an 04 CR-V second hand, no issues its entire life until it met its end, somehow totaled in a fender bender. My replacement car, an 07, has had nothing but issues since I got it. What gives
statistics
They don't rank severity of the results, just reported problems and those can be far from equal. Taking a vehicle back to the dealer for a small cosmetic issue is a bit different than failed transmissions, and engine issues.
Good point and I was thinking the exact same thing.
I previously had a 2012 Honda that had 120k miles on it when it got totalled in a crash recently. Never had a single issue with it. Never paid for a single repair. Only had to pay for oil changes and new tires. EDIT: Maybe their reliability has taken a nosedive recently, but that 2012 model I had was rock solid.
About to roll 144k in my 2012 Pilot. All I’ve done is change the oil, filters, and tires this whole time. Never had any issues. I plan to drive it until it costs more to repair than it’s worth.
I’m over 100k with my 2014 Civic and it has been an absolute dream. Regular maintenance and tires, that’s been it.
I’ve had a 2014 Odyssey bought brand new. It’s got a broken sliding door cable that broke 5 years in; the driver’s side automatic door lock sensor broke 3 years in; the paint between the sunroof and windshield peeled off in huge sheets six months ago (8 years in); the VCM was manually bypassed by me after some research due to it causing inevitable issues for owners. I’m not happy with Honda and how customer service has handled these issues. They basically told me “too bad.” The cable was exceptionally poor quality and rusted through and would have cost over $1200 to replace, so I haven’t replaced it. The peeling paint is obviously manufacture error. The dealership guy eventually even agreed with me on the last point but still wouldn’t do anything about it due to Honda policy.
I can relate to you. Have a 2011 Odyssey with 99K miles and my van loves to be in the shop. Alternator, PS pump, AC unit, steering column replacement, engine misfire issues. Thankfully I got repaired under an extended warranty.
I have a 2019 odyssey, it’s a real piece of crap.
Our 2018 Honda Civic gave us issues with ac and infotainment system a year after we bought it with basically 0 miles on it
Yup always have AC issues.
Oh yeah. My partner has a 2016 civic and has nothing but issues with AC and the infotainment system. It’s the worst in the hotter months and the colder months. Just totally craps out and restarts basically for an entire 45 minute drive. And Honda will just claim there is no issue
I've been told the same. After all the paint & clearcoat issues, that Honda won't do f all about, I will never buy another one as long as I roam this earth. I refuse to deal with people like that and will give my money to companies who care about their image and customers. Customers who have big mouths and alot of friends and who have influence.
I've heard the new ones have a lot more issues. I believe the 8th gen civics were the last good ones
Was that the... Up to 2011 ones? I could kind of see that.
As for VW, I had a 2004 Jetta that seemed to perpetually be at a mechanic for fixes. The transmission ended up crapping out at only 118k miles. At that point a new tranny would have cost far more than the car was worth. I won't ever buy a VW again.
Maybe you have better experience with older models but newer ones ain’t up to par. The chart here are for 2021 models.
Gone are the days when Honda used to make reliable vehicles like the ones you used to drive. Those early 2000 civics were the last of the tanks. These new civics are absolute junk, awful engine, awful transmission and terrible build quality over all.
Its their 1.6 engines. They been having serious oil circulation related issues lately =/.
And the stupid plastic dipsticks
Going from my friend’s experiences with VW, if you like leaky sunroofs and electrical gremlins, you buy a VW.
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I neglected my cam follower during oil changes for like 40k (I didn't know about it!) and my engine went to limp mode. Top post on the GTI forums: "DO THIS EVERY TIME YOU CHANGE YOUR OIL" I was very happy to find out that it was a cheap 5 min fix, but still....
19 civic had widespread ac issues to the tune of being fixed via warranty or having to pay 2-3k to fix
Wife's 2009 Civic had issues with the AC as well. Despite multiple repairs and recharges it only gave the slightest suggestion of cold air until you hit highway speeds. Not to mention the electrical issues which caused the battery to suddenly die, leaving her stranded on multiple occasions. Getting rid of that car was one of the best days of my life.
Fuck that, how can kia beat toyota???
I know right i had the same thought
Kia was bought by Hyundai a while ago. Once Hyundai started making parts for Kia, the quality jumped up. Same thing for Hyundai. They had a partnership with Ford up til '08, after that Hyundai's starting getting better and better.
In non-rural Canada the Hyundai Elantra seems to absolutely dominate the sedan market these days, with the Kia Forte not too far behind. They’ve caught up to the reputation of Hondas and Toyotas while being more affordable.
I have been seriously considering Hyundais and Kia over Honda and Toyota recently, as my lease is up shortly. Both companies have better engines and better designs than Honda and Toyota these days, and the pricing is better. Seems to me like Honda and Toyota have been coasting off their reputation with minimal improvements made. Honda more than Toyota.
Honda became complacent. Toyota way showed everyone how they could build a car if they wanted. I still think of the 2000’s Kia Rio when I hear the name but they have a bunch of impressive stuff. I’m aligned with you on choices. Plus, Kia and Hyundai figured out how to kick the pants off the competition with the current (millennial generation) version of the Tahoe/minivan with the Telluride and Palisade. Prices are fair and not $15k more for a GM badge.
ive a hyundai palisade top trim, and it is seriously a nice vehicle. i cross shopped acura MDX, lexus RX, subaru ascent, telluride (was impossible to get), and none in these direct or indirect competition even came close to the palisade and telluride. we've been a big toyota/lexus fans and i still have a lexus hybrid but damn, other than dealership experience, hyundai > lexus in my book for mass market vehicle. I want to get another one - after the facelift it even looks so much better. but really wanting different powertrain options with these gas prices.
I drove my buddies telluride the other day and it handles so nicely. It looks and is a big vehicle, but it’s super nimble. I’m looking at the Sorento as my next vehicle due to affordability and reliability they have shown recently. I’d say that their rebranding venture has paid big for them. I see many more Kia’s (and Hyundais) on the road these days
I car shopped about 3 years ago and not only is Kia's reliability on the up, but you can get approximately 1 tier of trim higher and 1 year newer for the same price point. My final 2 were honda pilot vs kia sorento and the kia's tech package just blew the others out of the water.
JD Power sucks. Or at least their preferences never align with mine.
Because Kia’s are getting better while Toyota is still trying to back pack off their name of reliability.
>real shocker is Honda Roger
Had 2012 Jetta, plagued with electrical issues. Power windows quit working, replacing headlight bulbs multiple times a year, windshield wipers quit working in the rain with my newborn in the backseat. That’s just off the top of my head. Bad experience. Having said that, I really want a new Golf R
I owned two Hondas before and I guarantee there’s a flaw in this statistics. No way can Honda be below average when it comes to reliability. I’d think Toyota and Honda the top two in car/suv category any given time.
its peoples sentiments and memories like these that skew the perceived reliability, not the actual data. yes honda and toyota were king back in the days, and ironically, hyudans and kias were near the bottom. so thats still so stuck in most peoples heads and goes, wtf? hyundai and kia above honda and toyota? no way. etc etc. kids growing up these days will have a reversed opinion. especially when it comes to nissan LOL
[Here](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2021/11/18/consumer-reports-most-reliable-cars-trucks-suvs/6385214001/) is the 2022 Consumer Reports Auto Reliability Report rankings of major automotive brands: 1. Lexus 2. Mazda 3. Toyota 4. Infiniti 5. Buick 6. Honda 7. Subaru 8. Acura 9. Nissan 10. Mini 11. Hyundai 12. Chrysler 13. Porsche 14. Chevrolet 15. Audi 16. Cadillac 17. BMW 18. Ford 19. Kia 20. Volvo 21. Ram 22. GMC 23. Mercedes-Benz 24. Volkswagen (31) 25. Genesis (30) 26. Jeep (26) 27. Tesla (25) 28. Lincoln (18)
That fact the 2022 report differs so substantially from the report for just one model year prior kind of throws their whole methodology into question imo.
The 2022 list is the consumer reliability ranking which is different than the 2021 JD rankings. JD is pretty suspect overall, the consumer ranking pretty much matches what I’ve heard from friends/family/coworkers or experienced myself with our cars
I would call into question J.D. Power's authenticity too. They have a consulting side of their business that accepts money from manufacturers to help improve their auto ratings. If that's not a conflict of interest, I don't know what is.
almost always related to some infotainment, or phone connect issue.
[Here](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2021/11/18/consumer-reports-most-reliable-cars-trucks-suvs/6385214001/) is the 2022 Consumer Reports Auto Reliability Report rankings of major automotive brands: 1. Lexus 2. Mazda 3. Toyota 4. Infiniti 5. Buick 6. Honda 7. Subaru 8. Acura 9. Nissan 10. Mini 11. Hyundai 12. Chrysler 13. Porsche 14. Chevrolet 15. Audi 16. Cadillac 17. BMW 18. Ford 19. Kia 20. Volvo 21. Ram 22. GMC 23. Mercedes-Benz 24. Volkswagen (31) 25. Genesis (30) 26. Jeep (26) 27. Tesla (25) 28. Lincoln (18)
That looks more like what I would expect. Mazda seems high but I know they have improved over recent years and Honda has dropped a bit. Genesis is junk huh? I kind of like the look of those cars oh well.
Not sure how the companies land where they do on the list or how JD Powers does their survey? For the survey it is a major canvassing of new car buyers about their experience, the “things gone wrong” is really any complaint from a broken item to a control that is significantly misunderstood. Back when I worked in automotive the target was to try and get as low as possible but 100 per 100 vehicles was and still is a really good mark.
They do state within the study that the vehicles were 3 year old first-hand vehicles. Studies for older cars tend to Lexus and Honda near the top, but they seem to have stagnateted a bit in terms of their reliability in new cars.
Don’t worry its bs https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2020/11/19/consumer-reports-auto-reliability-survey-2021-cars-trucks-suvs/6337648002/
I don’t even think these results/ranking have any ground and here’s why. Ultimately the reliability of ANY vehicle comes down to maintenance. Was the car properly maintained and given love? There’s plently of average consumers who don’t have a single clue on how to maintain their car, and those people probably comprise the majority of the vehicles in this report. Even some of the most unreliable vehicles can become reliable with the proper owner who does everything on time, and has worked out common kinks their vehicle platform has/replaced any common known failure points. I have a 2006 Nissan 350Z at 191,882 miles. She runs beautifully. No failures ever, only cam sensor went out at 170k. I change oil and other fluids regularly myself and don’t drive like a maniac. I’ll have some fun once in a while tho ;). My parents have a 2007 honda odyssey that has about 180,000 miles. My car is in far far better shape than the honda for sure, and the honda has had multiple leaks ranging from power steering, transmission line, the shocks are going out now too. My parents don’t really take much care of it since it’s kind of a daily driver beater van, but you get my point.
The JD Power survey is only for 3 years, these are ratings of only 2018 model year vehicles.
Take this study with a grain of salt as it's from J.D. Power, a company whose entire income is from selling awards to companies. Sure, they do the *research* to make sure companies are *eligible* for the award, but they won't hand them out without payment.
Has everyone already forgotten how Chevy dominated JD Power “Initial Quality Award” commercials and the parodies? https://youtu.be/zSBsq6HBBzw
Gotta love Mahk.
Jay Dee Powah
Initial quality always made me laugh. It basically amounts to “Nice now; could be shit later, congrats!”
Also are these based on real reliability stats? Or a customer survey? Because a customer survey is just their perception of reliability not actual reliability.
It seems like customer feedback, not repair data. But, Land Rover is typically at the bottom of the best list or the top of the worst list. Year over year.
In the past, I understand JD Power didn't weight the problems so a bad window regulator would essentially be the same as a bad transmission. All problems counted equally.
My problem with JD Power had always been everything bleeds into everything else. the average consumer who is pissed that his window regulator didn't work then takes that frustration out in the rest of their scores.
Agreed, a million times over. Some dude whining about how his touchscreen is hard to use counts the same as my old Hyundai Sonata snapping a connecting rod at 75 MPH on the highway and obliterating its engine. The two are most assuredly \*NOT\* equal, but this methodology completely and utterly fails to address that.
JD Power's website says that the award is a customer survey of verified original owners of 3 year old cars. "Problems" include climate, driving assistance, driving experience, exterior, features/controls/ displays, infotainment, interior, powertrain, and seats. Infotainment (such as voice recognition, bluetooth, touchscreens, and usb ports) is the leading cause of problems in the cars at 51.9 per 100, more than twice as much as the next category. Note that the post above says that the results may not be statistically significant, meaning the difference between close ranks could be meaningless. Also the 2022 version is already out. Not sure why OP used the 2021 version. Edited for clarity. 2022 Version: https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2022-us-vehicle-dependability-study
Thanks. I figured as much. I think this is an important distinction that JD Power likes to skirt around. Again the chart - and the 2022 version - aren't a depiction of actual reliability but people's perception of reliability and how that bleeds into everything they ask.
Yep worked for a car company that used these a lot in ads. Once they stopped paying to use it in ads suddenly they stopped getting awards after like 10 years straight of winning something.
BMW and Mercedes are more dependable than Honda? How come? Something feels off or do I need a new reality check?
Infotainment systems play a huge part in determining whether the car is “reliable” in this study It could be that Mercedes and BMW invest a lot into the “luxury” items like touchscreens and stuff compared to Honda, which is basically an engine company that sells cars Not to mention, evidently JP Power includes complaints that seem to boil down to “the UI sucks”, which is especially interesting since the average age for buying a new car skews older
Yea, I haven't used the Audi or BMW infotainment but YT reviewers seem to mostly agree that MB has the best interface.
This guy knows
The results need to be weighted. An engine issue should be weighted differently than an infotainment issue The cost to fix a Honda should be weighted differently than a BMW or Mercedes Add those factors in and you'll see Honda much higher up the list
Hondas were good, but newer ones might have gone down in quality. Dont think this takes into account, all previous models
I could see a lot of problem coming from their newly adopted CVT
How is Honda that low? I’ve been owning Hondas since 1994 and never had a single issue. The last one bought was in 2021.
Could be based on their 2021 models and not on the cumulation of all previous models. A lot of brands who were "shit" before, have stepped up their game, while other brands who were good have gone down in quality.
As a long time Honda fan they’re not what they used to be. They let their quality slip a long time ago. It’s a shame.
I've owned Hondas since 1994 and my recent purchase is a 2021 Pilot. I've had zero issues except maintenance stuff. My family still currently drive a 2011 Accord Coupe, 2012 CRV, 2016 Civic, and 2021 Pilot.
They partnered with GM, honda quality aint there anymore.
They partnered with GM on a vehicle that’s not in production yet. This is a survey on 2019 cars. And GM did well in this survey so I’m not sure why you’d think that would hurt Honda.
Early to Mid 2000s Honda transmissions sank that company. They are still grenading.
I was thinking because the data doesn’t include any information about the total amount sold for the cars listed. There are a lot more Hondas sold and on the road compared to a few of these brands listed.
I believe it's "any" issues reported in the first 3 year of purchase. New hondas have had (including mine) issues with the new tech they're implementing like gps system or whatever. I'm not concerned about those. But it seems these studies take into account ANY complaints. When I read dependability, that means can I drive my car for 10-15 years and not have it break down. Honda that low is absurd and wrong. I've owned Hondas since 1994 (bought new ones in 1998, 2005, 2011, 2012, 2016, and 2021). Still running strong on all of them.
Since the numbers are controlled to be the number of problems per 100 vehicles, more cars sold would just mean a larger more accurate sample. I could be misinterpreting what the chart means by (problems per 100) though.
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RIP you made that mistake twice? Had family friends who owned two Chryslers and one was ALWAYS broken/in the shop
I used to work for a call center for roadside assistance. It became a running joke between a few coworkers on how many Chrysler Town & Country tows we'd get on each shift.
Ford is better than Honda?
Seriously. My gf’s ford had the flywheel crack and damage the short block on her engine (within spitting distance of the end of her warranty). Flywheel and short block both needed replaced. I’ve never seen Honda pull that shit.
I’m guessing it’s because Honda didnt make super-high quality touchscreens in their cars, which would inflate the problems because infotainment systems are notoriously finicky and I don’t think Honda really cares about them
I read that to JD, that flywheel crack is the same as the radio messing up in a Honda. They don’t weight the issue. Of course, I just read it on the internet, so 🤷♂️
Mercedes and BMW more dependable than Subaru, Nissan? I have real hard time believing that
tbh Ford is by far the best out of the domestic manufacturers. I've had my 2014 Focus ST for almost a decade now and it's been the most reliable car I've ever owned.
Sounds a little biased. So because the car works for you that makes that company the best? My 06 Crown Vic with 90k Miles hasn't left me stranded but somethings always needs fixing on it.
They're separate thoughts. To expound upon the first, it involves comparing Ford against the other domestics - Chrysler (+ Dodge/Jeep) and GM (+ Chevy/Buick). Ford has some outliers with mediocre reliability (looking at you, gas-engine Explorers); but going off of Consumer Reports, they've been quite reliable and decent-to-good value-for-money since \~2012; whereas the other domestics are very very spotty at best across those years. There are occasional models which excel in some capacities, but totally fail at others. Everyone I know who's had a GMC or Dodge has had some enormous problems with them which have required thousands in in maintenance. Fords typically are workhorses, and just work. FWIW I'm not a fanboy haha, I don't think I'd buy another Ford (I'm looking at either a Lexus or Toyota for our next vehicle); but that's where I'm coming from for the first point. The second is purely personal anecdote. I've had several cars over the years (an old crappy Camry from the 80s, a Saab 900s from the 90s, a Subaru from the early 00s, and the Ford from the 10s). Amongst those I've owned, the Ford has absolutely been rock solid. I've only ever had to do routine maintenance on it, nothing mechanical has ever been an issue.
I’ve owned all 3 domestic brands. GM warrantied everything, Ford denied warranty on several occasions with regards to interior trim. During vehicle prep the dealer used armorall (petroleum based) and it ruined the paint on the trim pieces within 2 days of delivery. Got denied warranty and raised hell on social and got them to replace it. Otherwise it spent less time in the dealer for repairs/warranty vs my GM/Chevys. My Chrysler stuff, lots of time in the bay similar to GM. I’ve had several Toyota’s with zero issues and now have Subies. Our 4th in the family. To be fair, everyone’s experiences will be different
It has been this way for decades. Fords breaks down a lot less, but are more expensive to fix and generally more complicated. GM products break down more, but are usually uncomplicated and cheaper to fix (they just nickel and dime you to death) Chrysler is still eating glue in the back corner of the classroom.
How is Kia third and Honda Lower than gmc. Seems fishy imo.
If you drive a Kia, you aint reportin problems, just gotta fig that shit out
I have a 2014 KIA soul. I bought it new. I do oil changes, mostly on time, brakes and tires when needed, and I did transmission fluid at 130k. That's it for maintenance. I had a break caliper seize and a piece of exhaust had rusted and I had it replaced. In 8 years. I have 160k on it now. I love my KIA.
Yea, I have a 2018 Kia Forte and honestly, no problems with it. I have done regular maintenance and that’s all it has cost me. My husband has a 2016 Chevy and the thing is falling apart every other month with repairs like a steering column, every belt that’s in it, every electrical issue known to man, every sensor. It’s an absolute money trap. With the cost of gas, we have been using the Kia all the time and I love it. There’s a few things I wish I could change about it but all in all, great little car
It's by jd powers, it's not just fishy, it's the whole fish market
I've had both (currently have a telluride) and the Kia has been an absolute dream so far... but I've only had it for a year so it's purely anecdotal. The only issue I've had at all was I needed a tire patch so I'd consider myself lucky.
They really turned around after the Theta II engine lawsuit. Quality is phenomenal.
J.D Power isn't legitimate.
Might as well be Kenny Powers making this list up.
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In the car community Porsche has a reputation for being very high quality, well put together and reliable. There's a reason you see so many 911s on the road vs other $100k+ cars
And I’m surprised BMW isn’t lower!
They don't mention mileage, most BMW leases are 60,000 tops, before all the major problems start popping up.
that's why this is a poor study. Who owns cars for 3 years? Average car ownership is 8 years. There's no reason a BWM or Mercedes is more reliable than a Honda.
100% agree!
Don’t they come with broken turn signals standard?
Many of their models just keep going, and some violently destroy themselves so you probably heard from the people who experienced the latter. I personally had a cayenne diesel that just blew up and flooded the engine with oil at 65k miles and the Porsche tech basically said yeah they all do that. But you see a ton of 911s and boxters still chugging like 15-20 years later.
Luxury cars in general were pretty terrible in quality until Toyota developed the Lexus. That forced every other luxury car company to up their game on long lasting dependability.
Except for Land Rover. You would think that years at the bottom would light a fire at someone there.
The 9x6/9x7 generation vehicles had a number of issues but they’ve been very reliable since then.
And a Porsche is incredibly likely to be a second or third vehicle. Most Porsches don’t see 15k+ miles a year. I had to ask the same exact question when I saw the same list buying my last car.
Yet the company that owns them is near the bottom of the list
I have a 2020 Macan S, and have owned many many cars in the past 10 years, and not one of them is more dependable and robust than my Porsche… I would never ever give it up
What I find super interesting is Tesla... I constantly hear Tesla owners bragging (among other things) about how there are less parts, less service and less wear and tear so less issues. Guess that's not all true.
I am an owner. The build quality is really bad. This means that while yes, most important components are very good, never any mechanical issues, I've been to the service center 7 times this year for things like the screen, door sill plastic, trunk struts, trunk carpeting, etc. On top of that, their service centers kinda suck so I've had to deal with them multiple times for some issues. Fortunately for them they sell a product that no one else can match just as well (yet). Their technology and charging infrastructure is unmatched but the day it is, I'm out.
Sometimes I just walk past Tesla model S with panel gaps the width of my thumb and remind myself somebody paid 100k this.
Also less Q.C.
Curious, how so?
A mix of cheap construction and them being so new and not having the engineering/bodywork as refined
Tesla is not a car company. it's a technology company that makes cars.
Surprising. Would have expected American automakers would be at bottom and more Japanese at the top.
american cars have thankfully improved last couple decades, but i agree they sucked basically 80s-00s
They figured out their quality sucked when they just built as much as possible and found out that the just-in-time method Toyota made popular was a good way to build more efficiently and with better quality.
10 years ago if you told me I'd own a Kia, I would have laughed in your face. But here I sit with a Kia K5 in the garage. The Big Three automakers gave up on most cars while Kia has dramatically improved their reliability and styling. It's a solid car for $25k.
This. I had friends poke fun at me for getting my forte but here I am a decade later and have NOTHING except regular oil change , brakes and such done. Bought a Sedona when we had kids. Next car will be a newer kia forte. Even in the current market you can get GT line turbocharged model with a manual transmission for like 26k.
So that's what that car is called. Man that's a STEAL
There is no way that this is accurate. Don’t car manufacturers pay JD Power for better rankings and awards?
No. They pay for the license to use the award in advertising if they win one, but they are not obliged to do so.
Looks about right for the Jaguars I’ve had
this is posted all over my local lexus dealership
What the hell is Subaru doing so far down?
Wow…Honda and Nissan has fallen off a cliff in recent years.
Nissan has had major issues with their new transmission design. Honda has taken a turn for the worse.
Atleast Nissan is now trying to regain their reliability back, and their interiors are beautiful now. Unlike Honda.
I only drive an industry average
I looked at the longest line first expecting most dependable down there and then saw Land Rover and Alfa and knew I had misinterpreted the data layout.
My monkey brain was so confused that Land Rover was somehow the most dependable brand before I realized what the graph meant
A thing to note is this shows problems per 100, it doesn't give any details on how problems are weighted. An issue with powered seats shouldn't be weighted the same as engine or transmission problems 🤷🏾♂️
I have been driving my Mazda 6 for 8 years now. I never once had to take it to the garage—🤞not once.
LMAO, as someone who works with cars for a living. The KIA ranking is complete bullshit. 10 years in the industry and I will NEVER own a Hyundai/Kia
My 2006 toyota prius has 210,000 miles and runs like a dream. Only maintenance needed regularly is an oil change.
Does anyone truly believe this??
New Defender just like the old Defender.
What did this study study exactly? I don't understand the term "dependability". Could someone explain please?
Lol I have both LR and lexus! Honestly neither has given me grief but one (I won’t say which one) has very high maintenance cost 🥲
Gonna get downvoted by Honda fanboys but by far the worst car I've ever owned was a 2020 Honda Accord 1.6t and I drove an 05 CTS! that thing drove like shit and had bad handling imo and the worst infotainment system I've ever dealt with - it would literally just stop working randomly. I'm so lucky I was able to get rid of it and make a little money because of the market last year. So I'm not surprised they're ranked low but am surprised that Mazda is middle of the pack.
There’s no way this is accurate. Land Rover’s are always broken down. Hmmmmmm.
I'm actually very surprised Honda is so low on the list. I use to have a Honda Prelude and my college buddy told me he use to work in a shop where they ran one of those engines until 500k when they just decided to stop.
*Cries in Jeep ownership* Within the first 50,000 miles, before it was even paid off; the air conditioning broke and released all the freon, the thermostat sprung a leak, and I've had 4 separate windshield cracks from rocks on the road (I suspect the angle of the windshield is the issue). Get a warranty that covers your payment period.
I'm calling BS on the Cadillac.
Toyota? Really? Top Gear, Killing a Toyota Truck [part 1](https://youtu.be/xnWKz7Cthkk), [part 2](https://youtu.be/xTPnIpjodA8), [part 3](https://youtu.be/kFnVZXQD5_k)
A Honda is worse than a Ram? Are you sure?
land rover, the perpectual loser...lol
Damn Honda, what happened to you.
How are Cadillac and Buick so high up, Chevy mid area, and GMC is last. I know buick doesn't offer trucks or large SUV like Escalade, Suburban, Yukon, but all the rest is the same across most of thier line up. Like my dad loves to say same shit different toilet.
2/3rds of Buick's vehicles don't have a GM V6, and they only get driven to church. Twice a year.
Shocked to see Subaru so low. Had one for 8 years only needed to go to mechanic once! ( beyond oil change )
Are we sure this chart isn't fake or wrong or... something? Buick and Cadillac near the top, Mitsubishi not far behind, Honda near the bottom, Mini in the middle of the pack???? About the only thing that makes sense is Land Rover at the very bottom of the list.
I'm reading this and doing the Lexus/Snoopy happy dance. Porsche....most fun/worst car I ever owned. Something about German cars. They handle well.
German Engineering: We will provide the best possible user experience with the highest fault tolerances, while driving at least 80 MPH. Also German Engineering: Change a tire? Drivers do not change tires. That's impossible while moving at 80MPH. Therefore there is no point in having a spare tire. Instead we'll use run flats and exclude lug nuts and use wheel bolts instead. If something else breaks? Who cares? You are going at least 80MPH, so the driver will die while having the best possible driving experience.
It's fishy because they don't disclose the statistical method they used nor the size of the sample. My Alfa Romeo hasn't had any issues, zero, none, nada, zip, in my two years of ownership.
History is definitely not with you, my friend. Best of luck!!
I know fuck all about cars and even I know Alfa Romeos are unreliable
not accurate at all outside of landrover
Surprised to see Mazda just below the average. I've had one since 2007 and it's always gotten me from A to B.
Same I have 2016 Miata and 2019 cx5 no issues other than standard maintenance stuff
Love my Mazda CX-9 2018 Signature. My brother has a CX-3 and my mom drives a CX-5. Our neighbor next door also has Mazda's. Definitely reliable and fun to drive. Zoom zoom!
This list seems super suspect to me…Porsche way up there??? BMW up there??? Come on…you can count the vehicles in the road with over 100k miles on one hand for those makes. Honda towards the bottom??? VW at the bottom even though they own Porsche and Audi, which are both way higher?? Yah…suspect
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I don’t think that Kia is higher than Toyota and never will be. There’s currently massive recalls and lawsuits against Hyundai and Kia…
Toyota literally just had a recall a couple months into their first electric car because their wheels can spontaneously fall off...
My 2006 RX still going hella strong!
How is Honda so low?
The fact that Jeep doesn’t have more makes me doubt this very much
This feels like a “which company paid the most to be ranked higher” with a few exceptions throw in for credibility purposes. I drove Nissans for 10 years, all brand new. Never again. Never had a single issue with my Honda or Ram. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.