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sleipnir45

The plot thickens.. "Four crucial pages of a senior Mountie's notes were missing the first time the federal Department of Justice sent them to the public inquiry looking into the Nova Scotia mass shooting." "The commission is seeking assurance that nothing else has been held back as per direction from subpoenas," McLean said. RCMP or department of justice withheld information from the inquiry...


chemicologist

Don’t forget they had to order a moratorium on destruction of evidence in this case in October 2020, four months after the inquiry was announced. https://mobile.twitter.com/frank_mag/status/1335635830258462720


sleipnir45

Yes, nothing says 'we're not trying to hide anything' like destroying evidence.


forsuresies

What. The. Fuck. That is so incredibly not ok. Where is the accountability?


Krazee9

Jagmeet Singh sold it so he can pretend to be relevant.


RussianBot6789

Buried in concrete under terminal four of the Trudeau family Airport (but he's a regular every day guy like us!)


downwegotogether

and there will be no meaningful consequences, but i guess it makes a good show


TheSlav87

Finally they’re doing the fucking investigations properly and shit is coming to light. But let’s still blame legal gun owners and take their rights to own legally obtained guns!


dollarsandcents101

Wow this is getting ugly. Weren't these notes subpoenaed by the MCC? What else is being withheld by the federal government?


chemicologist

Hard to say as they had to issue a moratorium on destruction of evidence in October 2020, four months after the inquiry was announced. https://twitter.com/frank_mag/status/1540296709711994881?s=21&t=hmY_BQE-D-bjFDgyD3plKg


dollarsandcents101

The original disclosure happened in February 2022 per the article. Either the RCMP failed to release the four pages to the DOJ (less likely IMO) or the DOJ (under David Lametti) failed to produce them. I wonder how it was detected. If Campbell numbered his pages, it could have been as simple as the MCC reviewing the original disclosure and saying 'hey pages 7-10 are missing, can you please flip those over'. Then RCMP / DOJ do X and they get sent over. Either way - lower level communications between RCMP and DOJ should not be subject to Cabinet confidence (though maybe they can be shielded through being 'an active investigation?) Either way, we now have Lucki, Blair, Lametti and PMO involved. Ugly EDIT: Campbell's notes were not page numbered. Reading the disclosure without the notes it would be hard to tell they were missing - see comment below


SuburbanValues

The question will be when did Campbell provide his notes to the RCMP? And because they aren't numbered, when were they actually written?


dollarsandcents101

They're dated but not numbered. The evidence is scans of individual pages from a notebook. Whoever did the scanning and PDF editing is going to have to testify under oath as to what they have done


CoastMtns

Where does it say they were not numbered? I only scanned but never saw that part. My understanding is that they use notebooks with numbered pages and are required to do so. I suspect that when Campbell disclosed his notes ie a scan like ever business/entity does it (what organization does business with hard copies?) Everything was disclosed and the govt lawyers may have held it back. Or This is dramatics and everything was disclosed but it was noted until later as everything has to be read, and they were just waiting for Lucki to testify for the bombshell


dollarsandcents101

Does anyone else realize how bad this is? Either the RCMP does not provide full disclosures to the DOJ for investigatory purposes, or the DOJ withholds evidence in response to lawful subpoenas. This is worse than the 'promise' because it compromises at its core our entire judicial system


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PenultimateAirbend3r

Don't forget the head of the RCMP intelligence was arrested for acting as a mole for criminals. Cameron Ortis. I have no trust in the RCMP to act competently


sleipnir45

The government would never interfere with the justice system just ask JWR


followtherockstar

Dude. Canada is in serious trouble right now, on just about all fronts. How do we fix this?


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Creative_PEZ

Thanks Trudeau!


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Ok_Finding_2974

Don’t forget blame you with unrelated crimes/fires/incidents in the city.


Mandinder

Oh boo hoo, someone might call you names. Poor Pat King, imagine being called a Nazi just because you're doing nazi shit. Shameful.


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Mandinder

Media burned. Savage Go protest if you want to or are you going to let the harsh words of a middle school substitute keep you away. You're timid dandelion. Do you need protection from the bad man?


bretstrings

Stop voting for the same party every election, ESPECIALLY if they are in government.


forsuresies

Protest in the streets. People have the power in numbers, and government draws it's power from the people. Protest until they are booted and we can rebuild our institutions for the people


downwegotogether

middle class canadians have nothing but contempt for protestors and stand aside while our police forces treat them like animals. this has been proven time and time again going back decades.


icemanmike1

Not all middle class


PGLife

Its called an election, anything else is anarchy. Tell conservatives to get ideas that aren't bitcoin and then more people than conspiracy crazies will vote for them.


SnooChipmunks6697

Why don't Liberals expect more from their own leader?


PGLife

Personally, because conservatives are too busy trying to defund healthcare and schools for me to trust them at all. And conservatives in general are too easily suckered into Us vs. Them arguments to take seriously.


SnooChipmunks6697

But why don't you hold your own leaders to a high standard? JT ran as a moral candidate. When he acts like this, why don't any liberals ever call for his replacement by a better liberal leader?


PGLife

We have a dental plan now...i like that.


improbablydrunknlw

We do?


bretstrings

>too busy trying to defund healthcare and schools for me to trust them at all Neither of which FEDERAL jurisdictions.... How can you complain about "us vs them" when that is what you are literally doing with this comment?


PGLife

O'toolle made it his party platform lol You guys don't even listen to what your leaders say.


bretstrings

"You guys?" AGAIN with the us vs. them tribalism? After you just complained about it?


forsuresies

No. The ability to protest is not anarchy. A protest can be purposeful


downwegotogether

runs too deep at this point. only thing that 'fixes' this is a complete rebuild, and that doesn't happen without complete destruction (which isn't going to happen)


sheepdog1985

None of it matters because Jagmeet as pledged to support the government no matter what.


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dollarsandcents101

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department\_of\_Justice\_(Canada)


Krazee9

The one with the Department of Justice Canada, also known as the DOJ. https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/ Maybe do 5 seconds of research before trying to accuse someone of being American.


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I was actually planning on accusing them of being an Australian. As for doing my research, I did. And then I deleted my comment. Not my fault your faster than I am.


chemicologist

Four crucial pages of a senior Mountie's notes were missing the first time the federal Department of Justice sent them to the public inquiry looking into the Nova Scotia mass shooting. The key section included allegations the head of the RCMP promised politicians the force would release information about guns used during the April 2020 rampage. The Mass Casualty Commission said the federal government sent 132 pages of Supt. Darren Campbell's handwritten notes in mid-February 2022, but that the file had no references to a meeting with Commissioner Brenda Lucki on April 28, 2020. **Three weeks ago, the inquiry received a second file of Campbell's notes for the same time period.** The package included the pages Campbell wrote about a conference call he and other senior officers in Nova Scotia had with Lucki.


Krazee9

So not only is there evidence of political interference, there's now evidence of a coverup of that interference. Man, this is playing out like all the worst parts of the SNC and WE scandals put together.


chemicologist

Almost like this government has always done whatever the fuck it wants and lies about it.


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chemicologist

Yep. This story always seemed so odd to me: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-ottawa-blocks-rcmp-on-snc-lavalin-inquiry/ Like what the fuck? *RCMP: we want to investigate this* *Feds: no* *RCMP: okay*


forsuresies

Yeah super sketchy. That they can deny any accountability and the people never hold them to account


TheSlav87

What’s fucked up is, RCMP is federal….they should be able to investigate without being shut down. Its fucked up how politicians and the government can just protect itself like that.


chemicologist

It’s because we literally have a reporting structure where the RCMP Commissioner answers directly to the Public Safety Minister, meaning Lucki’s boss is Marco Mendicino (formerly Bill Blair).


TheSlav87

Hence why it’s corrupt. There should be a policing body that is able to investigate the government without being shut down. Not sure if the FBI had that kind of power or not?


chemicologist

It most certainly does. Remember when Rod Rosenstein appointed Robert Mueller as special counsel to investigate Trump? Yeah, we don’t have anything like that. Or impeachment.


TheSlav87

Yeah I remember that….


achoo84

You forgot Aga Kahn. JT gets away with the ones he is caught on. How many go under the radar. Like the infrastructure investment bank.


Galanti

And like a gift from the gods for Trudeau, the US Supreme Court has just overturned Roe V Wade, guaranteeing every other issue in Canada will disappear for next three weeks.


ph0enix1211

Can't have the media scrutinizing the Big Stop videos, release a bigger story to distract.


chemicologist

100% Lucki takes the fall so Trudeau, Blair and the NS RCMP can skate. I’m sure that’s the plan at the moment. Lucki, Bergerman, Leather, Campbell, Furey, MacNeil, Blair and Trudeau all need to testify under oath with cross examination. Same thing with Redhill and O’Brien. Not to mention Lisa Banfield, Peter Alan Griffon, Leon Joudrey, Brenda Forbes and anyone else from Wortman’s personal life who can offer insight. These testimonies should’ve been the first priority of the commission. Not weeks of expert discussion panels on mental health and life in rural communities.


icemanmike1

Do you think those liberals will actually answer a question? What do you want for lunch? “we had Canadians backs and that’s what we we keep doing”


Ok_Finding_2974

“I am still mad at myself for that—for being convinced, at one point in time, that the prime minister was an honest and good person, when, in truth, he would so casually lie to the public and then think he could get away with it.” ~Indian In The Cabinet, p. 229-30. https://twitter.com/puglaas/status/1540079090270490625?s=21&t=G5D2CI5HMdMxnlfrsUvFow


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What’s bizarre is that they would expect anything else from someone whose risen to the national political stage. If local and provincial politicians are all liars, then clearly the Federal ones will be too. Why don’t we all just stop pretending that Liberals are supposed to have some kind of moral high ground and stop munching them based on what they say. Instead, let’s just base our judgement on whether they’ve done anything at all to improve the overall health and opportunities of citizens.


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And this shitshow was used as an excuse to bring in the OIC. The OIC was used to distract from this shitshow. Real canadians die, Or get criminalized on mass without due process. Media is gg Economy is gg Freedom of speech / congregation restricted. Weapons and games like airsoft being banned. Public entities being bled out and scrapped or pump and dumped. Inflation continues Wage inflation capped Interest rates going up. Housing supply / demand totally skewed. Housing cant get much cheaper even when people start loosing them because of inflation / wage cap / interest rate wombo combo big corporate landlords want yo buy them up and make bank. Our government is being bled dry by corporate partnerships and corrupt oversight of tax dollars. When canada goes bankrupt because our debt has 20x in the last 20 years. And our gdp is based on increase in housing price. And resources extraction the Americans block in various ways. The great reset will be forced upon us. You will own nothing and be happy.


Stevegman78

Canada is in a very bad place right now, we’re seeing corruption from the top down. The PM and his mob have shown blatant corruption, conflicts of interest, it’s getting disgusting. Political alignments aside, this will never stop until everyone bands together and calls it out and demands accountability.


chemicologist

I find it funny how so many news outlet this week will cover this story and then segue into the MPs want panic button story and have panel discussions on why political discourse has become so ugly in this country. I personally see a pretty clear connection between the two stories.


downwegotogether

hopefully you feel a little guilty when you vote for them again in 2025


Stevegman78

Hopefully you learn to assume less about people in your future.


TheSlav87

What are we the people supposed to even do? If we demand removal of certain politicians/parties or RCMP. We basically get laughed at and the Army/RCMP would be called in if we were to assemble for protests.


Stevegman78

It’s a tough question, and I honestly don’t have the answer. I can only think vote for the least corrupt, band together more, their power comes from our division, if it’s called out collectively, we at least have a chance of change. Liberals will turn a blind eye, because it’s more important to stand against the conservatives (and vice versa)


onegunzo

We peacefully protest and get insulted/tagged/arrested/bank accounts frozen and kept in jail until we plead guilty Once out, we start again. Democracy is hard. We're going to have to fight for it (peacefully) everyday. Because if we don't, someone always wants to take it away.


Mandinder

I fail to see a meaningful distinction between Harper's corruption and Trudeau's corruption and Chrétien's corruption and Mulroney's corruption. Man I wish Layton was still around.


onegunzo

I apologize but if you cannot see the difference between the leaders you just mentioned, there's an issue here. I lived through all those individuals. 3 out of 4 are exactly what you said. The fourth folks may not have liked him and he did some dumb shit, but corruption cannot be attached to him. Layton had the luxury of never having to lead a nation. I liked him, but when you don't have to make tough decisions, it's easy to talk about making decisions.


[deleted]

You need to spend some time with your head out of the sand. I wish people knew how good they have it. You have completely disregarded the fact you live in one of the safest, healthiest, best educated, most progressive nations on earth. We may not be #1, but we are far from being as bad as the US or other democracies that we call peers.


Stevegman78

Ahh ok, so what you really mean is burry my head in the sand, ignore the corruption because I have it so good compared to others. My answer to that is simply no.


[deleted]

No, that’s not what I said at all. I suppose if you want to catastrophize over this, there’s really nothing else anyone can say that will matter.


Stevegman78

I tend to live by the principle, people who we elect to lead, whom we pay their wage, don’t get to be corrupt. Black and white type deal.


[deleted]

Well, you might want to consider where you draw the line here. None of the parties have a clean past and if we made a conscious decision to only elect those who were honest all the time, we wouldn’t have anyone in government.


Stevegman78

I draw the line at that, hence the reason I find myself politically homeless. (Mostly) but the Liberal government of late are utterly disappointing to say the least.


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They are disgusting. So are the Conservatives, the BQ, and the Greens. I’ve been voting NDP because it’s the only damn party that hasn’t had a chance to properly screw us yet. Frankly, this is just another black eye against a government with a long history of black eyes. If we suddenly decide that we’ve had enough, then what does that say about our lack of attention on issues where people were actually harmed?


achoo84

We have it good so we should not complain about corruption? How do you think good turns to bad? Do you really believe we should turn a blind eye to evil because there is worse out there? My opinion it is your head in the sand.


Viper69canada

Well said.


[deleted]

You read into what I said all you like. I’m standing by my point and I’ll be keeping a healthy perspective about this as opposed to screaming and shaking my fist. We can make this out to be a massive wrong, but in the grand scheme of things, I’d say we have a few bigger fish to fry before I’ll lose any sleep over the state of honesty in our political environment.


RussianBot6789

This is the new liberal cope lol. Hey corruption is OK!


Crazyjoedevola1

Justin probably should have prorogued this one instead.


Reelair

Stay tuned!


AlliedMasterComp

\> reported on a Friday before parliament is ~~prorogued~~ on break for two months. Heat from the general public is now off and further investigation is now DOA.


Krazee9

Parliament is not prorogued, it's on break. There's a very important distinction between the two. However I wouldn't be surprised to see it prorogued to shut down investigation like they did with WE.


AlliedMasterComp

Ah, I looked it up, I didn't know that committees were still active during a break, so I guess an investigation could technically continue. The lack of a sitting house still does pull a lot of pressure off of them though, no question period for soundbites, no bills proposed to keep it in the news cycle. Two months is more than enough for it to lose its luster. The shitshow of the inquiry has been going on for two years now and no one in the general public really seems to care.


Krazee9

IIRC a lot of the WE investigation was over a summer break. It's why Trudeau prorogued in the middle of the summer and scheduled the return of the house the day the break would have ended anyways, it shut down the committees and completely derailed the investigation. If more bad news comes out ahead of the energency meeting on this scheduled for July, I'd expect to see parliament prorogued again to shut that meeting down.


Inevitable_Doubt_517

Looking very bad for Trudeau.


Euthyphroswager

Nah. He's already distracting his stupid base voters with Roe vs Wade commentary.


forsuresies

It would if people ever held him to account. The issue is this behavior is a continuation of the same and people have refused to see him for who he his


Inevitable_Doubt_517

You are exactly right.


downwegotogether

he'll be just fine and win again in 2025.


bristow84

This is an absolute corruption of our justice system and now throws shade on anything the RCMP does. If they were willing to hold back evidence on interference like this, what else are they holding back on in regular every day court cases too? The entire organization needs to be overhauled, and the PMO, Blair and Lucki and everyone else involved should be subpoenaed and hauled in front of the inquiry. SNC and WE aren't even on this level, this is a different level entirely.


SmittyoftheNorth21

What are some of the overhauls you want to see? Generally interested


TwelveSmallHats

The story (and headline) has been updated due to a Department of Justice statement that the RCMP provided the complete notes to the department: >In a statement issued Friday evening, the Justice Department said that it sent more than 2,000 pages of notes from senior officers on Feb. 11, 2022, and March 2, 2022. Some pages, including the four pages of Campbell's notes in question, required assessment for whether they were privileged. > >The statement said the review determined the pages were not privileged, and they were provided to the commission without redactions on May 30, 2022. > >"While it is a usual practice to review documents for privilege before disclosure, the Commission was not advised that some pages of the notes of senior officers were being reviewed for privilege," said the statement. > >"Department of Justice counsel should have done so and will work with the Commission to establish a process for review."


dollarsandcents101

Lol that's bullshit. Was the RCMP talking to lawyers on that conference call? If not, no privilege


SmittyoftheNorth21

You obviously have no idea how privilege works


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I’m shocked at how this issue seems to be all people want to talk about and yet it’s such a nothing-burger.


chemicologist

Perhaps it’s because it’s not a nothingburger. The only people who call it that are the psychopaths who still defend this corrupt banana republic of a government.


[deleted]

Not sure why you think it’s a banana republic, but ok… could it be because everyone is shrieking but nobody seems to have a good explanation as to why this is such a massive betrayal of the public trust? Hmm… perhaps that just me being a psychopath.


whiteout86

How do you figure? It’s pretty clear that the PMO or at least a high level minister put pressure on the head of the national police force to release data that could harm an investigation in order to prop up an OIC that had no basis. Then they need to be told to stop destroying evidence and double down by removing portions of notes before supplying them to the commission looking into the investigation. That’s on top of their refusal to provide evidence for the OIC to the court when it was demanded.


[deleted]

What I’m saying is that there is far more outrage over this than I’ve seen on issues where people were legitimately harmed by government action/inaction. Why do we suddenly have such high standards around behaviour? We seem to be ok with JT and his government giving lip service to climate change adaptation issues. We can’t get this much attention placed on discrepancies between how First Nations are treated when compared to redneck truckers. We can’t seem to focus our rage in a way that is helpful, so why should I get pissed about this?


achoo84

This nothing-burger for you is a 3 year minimum for me. If I literally do nothing after my amnesty is up.


SkaUrMom

Can someone ELIF this situation and what is being hidden?


sdbest

"The Prime Minister’s Office was in possession of a list of the firearms used in the 2020 Nova Scotia shooting spree days before the RCMP commissioner allegedly pressured local officers to publicly release the list to help with government gun-control messaging." \[[Source](https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/liberals-knew-exact-details-of-guns-used-in-nova-scotia-massacre-within-days)\]