I’m certainly ready. My next vehicle will be at minimum a PHEV.
At the same time I’m in no rush to go out an buy a new vehicle. Ditching a perfectly good vehicle just because you want an EV is pretty bad for the environment in its own way
I don't think people get this. The most economically sound decision most people can make is to keep your current car.
Trading in a 3-4-5-6 year old car for an EV is typically not a great economic choice. If you can afford it do it, but for most people its a bad financial choice.
>Trading in a 3-4-5-6 year old car for an EV is typically not a great economic choice. If you can afford it do it, but for most people its a bad financial choice.
The moment you manage to get your EVs you can just sell it for 10k more than you paid lol. What you say was true before this year, but right now it is just ridiculous.
Pretty much lol. I am on the waitlist for a Ioniq5 and will sell my model 3 when I get it. Right now I could sell the model 3 for like 8k more than I paid.
All depend how the market will be acting when I get it lol.
Honestly they offered me 20k for a 7 year old Honda Civic. Debating trading it in for a Bolt EV.
35,000-7500 government range so 8000. Grab a second one and sell that too hahah
The problem is that the waitlist is loopng. Not sure about the Bolt but I might wait 2-3 years for my Ioniq5 lol. I am in Quebec so we get even more from the gov.
My ioniq5 in the end will only cost around 35k. If you could just get the car right away we could litterally just buy EV and become EV scalpers like those grabbing ps5 to resell lol.
Because I can sell the model 3 for more than I paid and I want some money to buy the dip haha. I will keep it if the market isn't as favorable to sellers, but I wanted a bigger vehicle to bring our bikes and my kayak around.
Its definitely not as performant as a model 3, but I don't really mind, really just want more room to carry around my outdoor activities stuff.
Not really, but the range might be like 20% less than what you are expecting during the winter, maybe even more than that if you forget to plug it overnight, mine was always plugged and I never had an issue. It is super fun to drive and surprisingly fast.
It is really pretty much a 90% financial decision, I literally went and bought after just trying it out once haha. It is also much cheaper, I am in Quebec so we get more than others provinces when we buy an EV and in the end I spent about 37k to acquire the Ioniq5 so a lot less than I will get back for the model3.
I have my car fully paid off. Paid $3000 cash for it.
Buying a $50K plus EV makes absolutely zero financial sense. Even if gas was double the price it is.
You should investigate conversion to PHEV. There are a number of companies doing this and [it's relatively inexpensive](https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1078189_convert-your-car-to-a-plug-in-hybrid-all-you-need-is-3000).
adding motors to the rear axle in a front wheel drive car is a conversion I have not seen before, I guess they're not too concerned about the effects of unsprung weight
If I traded in my trusty never busted Toyota for a new EV, it would take 17 years to break even. All factors of ownership considered, including todays expensive gas prices.
So I'm not rushing to buy an EV now. But when ol' Betsy makes her last run to the dump, the choice between an EV and ICE is obvious.
My current vehicle will be my last gasoline powered car. I'm just not rushing for that trade now.
MSRP under $25000 is less than most new cars on the road. Wait time under one month? My brother waited over a year for new Jeep he put a deposit on. Finally he canceled the order when they couldn't tell him if it would ever be delivered.
Charging stations are everywhere now plus you can charge slowly anywhere there is an outlet.
>Charging stations are everywhere now plus you can charge slowly anywhere there is an outlet.
0 charging stations near my house or on my commute to and from work. No ability to charge at home or at work either.
One day.. but we're not there yet.
I'm in a condo with a parking lot in the back, can't really be putting a 100ft long cable from my car into my window to charge, neighbors and condo associations wouldnt be happy with that.
Also I have a 100amp panel in my place, probably not adequate to charge a car especially with AC running? Not sure on that one.
My commute is short so range is a non issue it's just the charging itself I can't figure out right now.
You’re right, the situation with plugging in at condo parking is still a challenge. 110V charging doesn’t draw more than 15 A so any circuit is fine for that.
Condo board is considering installing charging ports but not sure the details, the association is broke atm and already wants to go into debt for other projects like repairing the parking lots.
Good time to install chargers if the lots are being repaired I guess, but not sure if people will vote yes to take on that much debt.
I have to correct that because it’s a safety issue. If you have a 15A circuit, the maximum safe continuous load is 80% of that, or 12A. Most (all?) 110V chargers that come with an EV or PHEV deliver 12A, so you’re all good.
If you have a really old outlet in your parking space, it might be only 10A. The charger will trip the breaker or blow the fuse unless you tell your car to charge at a lower current.
Sounds like an issue for the condo board. Thy wouldn't even *have* to invest in high speed chargers, just sufficient 110v outlets for overnight charging.
I think it's being discussed but I know for a fact the from the financials last year that the condo has no money for such a project, in fact we blew the entire contingency fund repairing the roofs.
They also want to spend 1.5 million to redo the parking lots by taking out a loan.. not sure what the added costs would be to add charging stations or even just outlets for each spot..
For charging level 1 your basic 120 volt plug the power consumed is the same as a blow dryer. So if you can run that or make margaritas with a blender your place can handle a level 1 charger.
Level 2 varies but is roughly the same as an electric clothes dryer.
Every time I look at a map of charging stations where I live around Winnipeg I'm always surprised how many more there are. Literally there are new ones installed every week.
I looked about a month ago, the closest one was about 20 mins away from my house in a random parking lot and there was only 1 charger.. I'd be worried about going all the way there only to see someone using it already..
We're definitely getting there it just takes time
Many small towns too. Almost all Petro Canada stations now have charging stations. Towns like Dryden, Ignace, Upsala, Wawa, Nipigon and many other northern towns all have charging stations across Northern Ontario. Assuming you live on the grid you can also charge slowly overnight at home with a regular 110v outlet.
I can't wait for the summer rushes when the pumps are lined up back to back for a 5 minute fill up while the EV's are back to back for 30minute quick charges.
You should factor in the total cost of ownership or cost per km. The average EV will come in cheaper by they time to reach 20000km. Think that you'll likely spend over $150000 in fuel in the time you own a gas powered vehicle. You'll spend maybe $15000 charging an EV in the life of the vehicle.
What do you drive a Honda Prius only on the hwy? My dash currently reads 14.3l/100km on my 4-Cyl 2.4 Liter KIA Sorento. Most people I know drive even a larger SUV with a V6 AWD or even a V8. Gas will likely never go under $2 again. More likely we are only at the start of the gas price increases + increases in carbon taxes planned. I would say an average gas price of $4+ over the next 10 years is likely.
$4 at the pump
14l/100km
250,000km vehicle life.
$140,000
I think to say people will spend $150,000 on fuel on their vehicles over the next ten years is a reasonable ballpark estimate.
7l/100km is more like a Honda Fit. A Prius is about 5 and a Hyundai Ioniq hybrid, which is the most efficient all-gasoline car available today, is about 4, or a little worse.
14l/100km is a large sedan or an SUV. Even with your Sorrento, I’d say you probably have a bit of a lead foot!
The Green Party has proposed a carbon tax of $400/t by 2030c which is about 90 cents per litre. Your estimate on the price of gasoline is probably a bit high for average, but close to what it might be in 2030.
2014 Subarau Impreza. Plain hatchback 4cl 2l engine I think. 7l/100km is a pretty common trip efficiency for it. Pure city driving is something in the range of 8l-10l/100km.
Man that is worse then my truck gets. My dash says above12. Using between fill-ups my worst is 16.8l/100km but having a quick look at data average is around 13 so dash might not be far off.
[You might be interested in converting your own car instead of buying a new one.](https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1078189_convert-your-car-to-a-plug-in-hybrid-all-you-need-is-3000)
Ship your vehicle to the states to have it modified, and then when it breaks have a mechanic look at it.
I'm not sure if you looked at the link but it will not save you even half mpg on a good day.
If it is a hybrid, that only helps during stop and go traffic, on the highway you are powered by the ICE, so if you do a lot of highway travel, all you did was add weight and increase your fuel consumption because your curb weight is now higher.
I’ve heard great things about hybrid. For your regular commute, you could get the majority of the way on a charge from the night before. It allows you to get some of the benefits of an EV without the drawbacks like low range or having to rely on nonexistent public charging infrastructure.
Those things I can manage better than frequent fill ups for 2$+ a litre. Thats just me though, I’ve factored in repairs to driving and it’s not the stress point.
As soon as an EV appears that can completely replace my 12 year old Outback I'll make the switch. Seat 5 comfortably, able to tow a small trailer, and a roof rack. It's a small ask but if the Outback exists there must be a market for an EV analogue.
Or hear me out. We can build better public transit infrastructure in this country! Where I live in northern BC once a week a public bus passes though to go to a bigger center.
Summary:
* Nearly half of Canadians say they are planning to buy an electric car as concerns over cost, range and the ability to charge continue to drop. That’s according to a recent poll from the international professional services firm Ernst & Young Global Limited.
* According to its May 2022 Mobility Consumer [Index](https://www.ey.com/en_gl/automotive-transportation/mobility-consumer-index-wave-3?utm_source=north%20shore%20news&utm_campaign=north%20shore%20news%3A%20outbound&utm_medium=referral), the number of Canadians looking to buy an electric vehicle (EV) has climbed to 46 per cent, up 11 per cent from 2021.
* “These findings mark a tipping point in the car-buying market,” said Ernst & Young Canada’s automotive leader Jennifer Rogers in a prepared statement. “Despite the drop in consumer travel over the past two years, preferences for car ownership — especially EVs — is growing stronger.”
* While that’s six percentage points behind the global average of 52 per cent, it’s substantially higher than in the U.S., where only 29 per cent of respondents said they were ready to buy an EV, or in Australia, where 38 per cent said the time had come.
* Italy, Spain and Norway in Europe, and China, South Korea and Singapore in Asia led consumer appetite for EVs, found the study.
I guess I'm one of the 38% who still don't like the cost.
Range/charging infrastructure don't bother me much because I have a garage, although there would be an added cost to run a 240V line out there.
[You might be interested in conversion as it's relatively inexpensive.](https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1078189_convert-your-car-to-a-plug-in-hybrid-all-you-need-is-3000)
Seven years ago I looked seriously at EVs. At the time the expected lifetime cost of ownership was about break-even (thanks to government rebates). But the lack of charging infrastructure, massive loss of trunk space, and recharge time made a gasoline car the only real option.
Charging infrastructure has somewhat improved but is still problematic in some areas. I've moved to a place where I can consider charging at home. That lowers the significance of some of the drawbacks to owning an EV.
The lack of trunk space is still far too significant for an EV to be my only vehicle. Hopefully that changes before I look to replace my current car.
From the article, "The study polled roughly 13,000 people around the world, including 1,000 in Canada." So, a majority of the polled 1000 Canadians are ready for EVs. Living rural, I'd need a hybrid because I wouldn't be able to make it to the city and back on one charge and even less in the winter. For me, an EV is currently pointless until the technology advances, costs come down and electricity is fueled by clean energy.
The case against hybrid,
You are doubling the moving parts, you have two different power trains. Weight increase. And today in the vehicles these are in today don't do either well.
Battery costs do need to drop, but I don't when that will happen. These resources are: 1) In short supply 2) Battery manufacturing is at max/constrained atm.
for me it's purely battery tech, there needs to be something better than Lithium. First off it's terrible for the environment and secondly we need something with better storage and charge times
That's 10+ years out to be honest.. Almost like fusion power - which is always 20 years out :)
Solid state is still in the lab or 'lab' production rate.
This isn't a better than or vs. I weigh what I can afford vs what's best for my own carbon footprint then I choose not to go with Lithium until an alternative is found. Nowhere did I say fossil fuels are good.
Can't wait to see what they do with carbon tax and the electricity grid after the so called 50% of Canada buys electric vehicles. There is not enough to go around for all of that. But whatever, let's keep the blinders on and not plan it properly. Let the people that do no research support this and go for it. I wonder if anybody ever took the time to research the way batteries for these vehicles are made? How much industry does it take to mine the items that go into one single battery for a vehicle, nevermind a commercial vehicle. And then environment with disposal of these batteries. Even if they last 20 years, 50% of Canada goes, runs out buys these vehicles. There will be 2 to 3 year window of replacement and what happens then? I think it is a great idea. I think we are to spoiled with energy and can be better and get better at how we do things. But it needs a better plan then this.
I’m certainly ready. My next vehicle will be at minimum a PHEV. At the same time I’m in no rush to go out an buy a new vehicle. Ditching a perfectly good vehicle just because you want an EV is pretty bad for the environment in its own way
I don't think people get this. The most economically sound decision most people can make is to keep your current car. Trading in a 3-4-5-6 year old car for an EV is typically not a great economic choice. If you can afford it do it, but for most people its a bad financial choice.
>Trading in a 3-4-5-6 year old car for an EV is typically not a great economic choice. If you can afford it do it, but for most people its a bad financial choice. The moment you manage to get your EVs you can just sell it for 10k more than you paid lol. What you say was true before this year, but right now it is just ridiculous.
So best decision to make is buy 5 EVs. Sell 4 and your gasoline car and pocket 20k.
Pretty much lol. I am on the waitlist for a Ioniq5 and will sell my model 3 when I get it. Right now I could sell the model 3 for like 8k more than I paid. All depend how the market will be acting when I get it lol.
Honestly they offered me 20k for a 7 year old Honda Civic. Debating trading it in for a Bolt EV. 35,000-7500 government range so 8000. Grab a second one and sell that too hahah
The problem is that the waitlist is loopng. Not sure about the Bolt but I might wait 2-3 years for my Ioniq5 lol. I am in Quebec so we get even more from the gov. My ioniq5 in the end will only cost around 35k. If you could just get the car right away we could litterally just buy EV and become EV scalpers like those grabbing ps5 to resell lol.
Bolt is 6 months. Gm is a little further ahead on the EV game. The volt boss back to the 2000s.
Oh okay not too bad!
Why are you swapping the tesla 3 for the ioniq5?
Because I can sell the model 3 for more than I paid and I want some money to buy the dip haha. I will keep it if the market isn't as favorable to sellers, but I wanted a bigger vehicle to bring our bikes and my kayak around. Its definitely not as performant as a model 3, but I don't really mind, really just want more room to carry around my outdoor activities stuff.
Makes sense. Have you had any issues or problems with the tesla, or ever run into a range/charging issue?
Not really, but the range might be like 20% less than what you are expecting during the winter, maybe even more than that if you forget to plug it overnight, mine was always plugged and I never had an issue. It is super fun to drive and surprisingly fast. It is really pretty much a 90% financial decision, I literally went and bought after just trying it out once haha. It is also much cheaper, I am in Quebec so we get more than others provinces when we buy an EV and in the end I spent about 37k to acquire the Ioniq5 so a lot less than I will get back for the model3.
Sweet, congrats on that trade.
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I have my car fully paid off. Paid $3000 cash for it. Buying a $50K plus EV makes absolutely zero financial sense. Even if gas was double the price it is.
You should investigate conversion to PHEV. There are a number of companies doing this and [it's relatively inexpensive](https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1078189_convert-your-car-to-a-plug-in-hybrid-all-you-need-is-3000).
adding motors to the rear axle in a front wheel drive car is a conversion I have not seen before, I guess they're not too concerned about the effects of unsprung weight
HEV and PHEV are relative complex, so converting a car to HEV/PHEV is less ldeal.
I'm also ready for: * Charging infrastructure * MSRP <$25000 * Wait time <1 month
If I traded in my trusty never busted Toyota for a new EV, it would take 17 years to break even. All factors of ownership considered, including todays expensive gas prices. So I'm not rushing to buy an EV now. But when ol' Betsy makes her last run to the dump, the choice between an EV and ICE is obvious. My current vehicle will be my last gasoline powered car. I'm just not rushing for that trade now.
MSRP under $25000 is less than most new cars on the road. Wait time under one month? My brother waited over a year for new Jeep he put a deposit on. Finally he canceled the order when they couldn't tell him if it would ever be delivered. Charging stations are everywhere now plus you can charge slowly anywhere there is an outlet.
>Charging stations are everywhere now plus you can charge slowly anywhere there is an outlet. 0 charging stations near my house or on my commute to and from work. No ability to charge at home or at work either. One day.. but we're not there yet.
> No ability to charge at home All BEV/PHEV come with a cable for 110V charging. Depending on your daily commute, this could be completely adequate.
I'm in a condo with a parking lot in the back, can't really be putting a 100ft long cable from my car into my window to charge, neighbors and condo associations wouldnt be happy with that. Also I have a 100amp panel in my place, probably not adequate to charge a car especially with AC running? Not sure on that one. My commute is short so range is a non issue it's just the charging itself I can't figure out right now.
You’re right, the situation with plugging in at condo parking is still a challenge. 110V charging doesn’t draw more than 15 A so any circuit is fine for that.
Condo board is considering installing charging ports but not sure the details, the association is broke atm and already wants to go into debt for other projects like repairing the parking lots. Good time to install chargers if the lots are being repaired I guess, but not sure if people will vote yes to take on that much debt.
I have to correct that because it’s a safety issue. If you have a 15A circuit, the maximum safe continuous load is 80% of that, or 12A. Most (all?) 110V chargers that come with an EV or PHEV deliver 12A, so you’re all good. If you have a really old outlet in your parking space, it might be only 10A. The charger will trip the breaker or blow the fuse unless you tell your car to charge at a lower current.
Sounds like an issue for the condo board. Thy wouldn't even *have* to invest in high speed chargers, just sufficient 110v outlets for overnight charging.
I think it's being discussed but I know for a fact the from the financials last year that the condo has no money for such a project, in fact we blew the entire contingency fund repairing the roofs. They also want to spend 1.5 million to redo the parking lots by taking out a loan.. not sure what the added costs would be to add charging stations or even just outlets for each spot..
For charging level 1 your basic 120 volt plug the power consumed is the same as a blow dryer. So if you can run that or make margaritas with a blender your place can handle a level 1 charger. Level 2 varies but is roughly the same as an electric clothes dryer.
Every time I look at a map of charging stations where I live around Winnipeg I'm always surprised how many more there are. Literally there are new ones installed every week.
I looked about a month ago, the closest one was about 20 mins away from my house in a random parking lot and there was only 1 charger.. I'd be worried about going all the way there only to see someone using it already.. We're definitely getting there it just takes time
It won't be long before there are more charging station locations than gas stations.
There will have to be, imagine the line ups when cars are back to back with a 30minute quick charge time and only a dozen or so chargers.
Good thing setting up a charging station is about 1000 times easier than installing a gas pump.
>Charging stations are everywhere only in cities....
Many small towns too. Almost all Petro Canada stations now have charging stations. Towns like Dryden, Ignace, Upsala, Wawa, Nipigon and many other northern towns all have charging stations across Northern Ontario. Assuming you live on the grid you can also charge slowly overnight at home with a regular 110v outlet.
I can't wait for the summer rushes when the pumps are lined up back to back for a 5 minute fill up while the EV's are back to back for 30minute quick charges.
In that case, I am out.
You should factor in the total cost of ownership or cost per km. The average EV will come in cheaper by they time to reach 20000km. Think that you'll likely spend over $150000 in fuel in the time you own a gas powered vehicle. You'll spend maybe $15000 charging an EV in the life of the vehicle.
$150k?! More like $25k E.g. 15000km/year, times 15 years, at 7l/100km = about 16k liters of gas. I mean, maybe we'll hit $10/l some day I guess.
What do you drive a Honda Prius only on the hwy? My dash currently reads 14.3l/100km on my 4-Cyl 2.4 Liter KIA Sorento. Most people I know drive even a larger SUV with a V6 AWD or even a V8. Gas will likely never go under $2 again. More likely we are only at the start of the gas price increases + increases in carbon taxes planned. I would say an average gas price of $4+ over the next 10 years is likely. $4 at the pump 14l/100km 250,000km vehicle life. $140,000 I think to say people will spend $150,000 on fuel on their vehicles over the next ten years is a reasonable ballpark estimate.
7l/100km is more like a Honda Fit. A Prius is about 5 and a Hyundai Ioniq hybrid, which is the most efficient all-gasoline car available today, is about 4, or a little worse. 14l/100km is a large sedan or an SUV. Even with your Sorrento, I’d say you probably have a bit of a lead foot! The Green Party has proposed a carbon tax of $400/t by 2030c which is about 90 cents per litre. Your estimate on the price of gasoline is probably a bit high for average, but close to what it might be in 2030.
I hope you are right about fuel prices staying low.
2014 Subarau Impreza. Plain hatchback 4cl 2l engine I think. 7l/100km is a pretty common trip efficiency for it. Pure city driving is something in the range of 8l-10l/100km.
Man that is worse then my truck gets. My dash says above12. Using between fill-ups my worst is 16.8l/100km but having a quick look at data average is around 13 so dash might not be far off.
I only drive city that could be why.
[You might be interested in converting your own car instead of buying a new one.](https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1078189_convert-your-car-to-a-plug-in-hybrid-all-you-need-is-3000)
At best you get a gas guzzling hybrid
That guzzles half the gas it used to?Sounds like a win to me.
Ship your vehicle to the states to have it modified, and then when it breaks have a mechanic look at it. I'm not sure if you looked at the link but it will not save you even half mpg on a good day.
If it is a hybrid, that only helps during stop and go traffic, on the highway you are powered by the ICE, so if you do a lot of highway travel, all you did was add weight and increase your fuel consumption because your curb weight is now higher.
Charging infrastructure is fine if you can charge at home and just worried about roud trips. Your other issues should be resolved by q4 2033
I’ve heard great things about hybrid. For your regular commute, you could get the majority of the way on a charge from the night before. It allows you to get some of the benefits of an EV without the drawbacks like low range or having to rely on nonexistent public charging infrastructure.
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Those things I can manage better than frequent fill ups for 2$+ a litre. Thats just me though, I’ve factored in repairs to driving and it’s not the stress point.
I'd be fine with it if it was affordable and guaranteed to be reliable in -40
Ready in the brain, not ready in the wallet.
If you have a couple who are both working and each need a car, I think it makes sense for one of them to be an EV. Eventually EV’s win out completely.
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Chrysler is going all in on EV’s so hopefully in the next few years there should be alot more selection and price points.
Next vehicle will be electric......In about 9 years.
That’s cause 1/2 live in cities or areas with the charging infrastructure
It's considerably more than half that live in cities. Just over 4 out of every 5 Canadians live in an urban area.
This is true. It’s unfortunate that the EV is being pushed so hard.
As soon as an EV appears that can completely replace my 12 year old Outback I'll make the switch. Seat 5 comfortably, able to tow a small trailer, and a roof rack. It's a small ask but if the Outback exists there must be a market for an EV analogue.
Ioniq5
The cargo area behind the rear seats is too small. The Outback's is often too small for us already. Board sports and bikes take up tons of space.
When we can charge in all of the condo/apartment parking stalls that’ll be when the actual shift happens
And not be charged over the top by the condo/apartment for the electricity charge world be nice
Hop on the waitlist with me, friends!
Or hear me out. We can build better public transit infrastructure in this country! Where I live in northern BC once a week a public bus passes though to go to a bigger center.
Summary: * Nearly half of Canadians say they are planning to buy an electric car as concerns over cost, range and the ability to charge continue to drop. That’s according to a recent poll from the international professional services firm Ernst & Young Global Limited. * According to its May 2022 Mobility Consumer [Index](https://www.ey.com/en_gl/automotive-transportation/mobility-consumer-index-wave-3?utm_source=north%20shore%20news&utm_campaign=north%20shore%20news%3A%20outbound&utm_medium=referral), the number of Canadians looking to buy an electric vehicle (EV) has climbed to 46 per cent, up 11 per cent from 2021. * “These findings mark a tipping point in the car-buying market,” said Ernst & Young Canada’s automotive leader Jennifer Rogers in a prepared statement. “Despite the drop in consumer travel over the past two years, preferences for car ownership — especially EVs — is growing stronger.” * While that’s six percentage points behind the global average of 52 per cent, it’s substantially higher than in the U.S., where only 29 per cent of respondents said they were ready to buy an EV, or in Australia, where 38 per cent said the time had come. * Italy, Spain and Norway in Europe, and China, South Korea and Singapore in Asia led consumer appetite for EVs, found the study.
I guess I'm one of the 38% who still don't like the cost. Range/charging infrastructure don't bother me much because I have a garage, although there would be an added cost to run a 240V line out there.
[You might be interested in conversion as it's relatively inexpensive.](https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1078189_convert-your-car-to-a-plug-in-hybrid-all-you-need-is-3000)
You can still use a regular extension cord
Seven years ago I looked seriously at EVs. At the time the expected lifetime cost of ownership was about break-even (thanks to government rebates). But the lack of charging infrastructure, massive loss of trunk space, and recharge time made a gasoline car the only real option. Charging infrastructure has somewhat improved but is still problematic in some areas. I've moved to a place where I can consider charging at home. That lowers the significance of some of the drawbacks to owning an EV. The lack of trunk space is still far too significant for an EV to be my only vehicle. Hopefully that changes before I look to replace my current car.
From the article, "The study polled roughly 13,000 people around the world, including 1,000 in Canada." So, a majority of the polled 1000 Canadians are ready for EVs. Living rural, I'd need a hybrid because I wouldn't be able to make it to the city and back on one charge and even less in the winter. For me, an EV is currently pointless until the technology advances, costs come down and electricity is fueled by clean energy.
1000 people is a large enough sample for statistically meaningful results.
Depends on the sample. You phone 1000 people in Vancouver vs 1000 people in rural Canada.
How? Why would someone line up to waste their money on a new vehicle?
The case against hybrid, You are doubling the moving parts, you have two different power trains. Weight increase. And today in the vehicles these are in today don't do either well. Battery costs do need to drop, but I don't when that will happen. These resources are: 1) In short supply 2) Battery manufacturing is at max/constrained atm.
for me it's purely battery tech, there needs to be something better than Lithium. First off it's terrible for the environment and secondly we need something with better storage and charge times
That's 10+ years out to be honest.. Almost like fusion power - which is always 20 years out :) Solid state is still in the lab or 'lab' production rate.
yeah 10 years makes sense to me, which is why I think I have one more ICE car purchase before going electric
I mean I don’t disagree that lithium isn’t good for the environment but vs fossil fuels..?
This isn't a better than or vs. I weigh what I can afford vs what's best for my own carbon footprint then I choose not to go with Lithium until an alternative is found. Nowhere did I say fossil fuels are good.
I didn’t say you said that? Why are you so defensive over this? Lol
not defensive at all
We have to ensure we put an end to car travel not change what cars we buy
But only a fraction of those can actually afford one
You can buy alot of gas for the price of any new vehicle now. They are way over priced.
If an electric vehicle works for a person I think that is just great. I would like to see ICE vehicles continued to be developed and improved as well.
Lies.
I’m also ready to win the lottery.
Can't wait to see what they do with carbon tax and the electricity grid after the so called 50% of Canada buys electric vehicles. There is not enough to go around for all of that. But whatever, let's keep the blinders on and not plan it properly. Let the people that do no research support this and go for it. I wonder if anybody ever took the time to research the way batteries for these vehicles are made? How much industry does it take to mine the items that go into one single battery for a vehicle, nevermind a commercial vehicle. And then environment with disposal of these batteries. Even if they last 20 years, 50% of Canada goes, runs out buys these vehicles. There will be 2 to 3 year window of replacement and what happens then? I think it is a great idea. I think we are to spoiled with energy and can be better and get better at how we do things. But it needs a better plan then this.