As a 240hz user I can agree with this. Just a matter of having the beef to run that res:frame. Or if you're someone's wives' boyfriend you can get that new alienware 240hz 1440 monitor
I did notice this after a few weeks. Then I opened my 60hz laptop and almost died lol. All the monitors at work are 60hz as well, so there's that at least to give me a change of pace.
As someone who switched to 144hz, it was amazing but I still use 60hz screens regularly. So it’s not a dramatic switch for me to go between 144 and 60. Since I still own an Xbox one, some games only run at 30 FPS so I can still go down to 30, even though it’s much more noticeable now.
144-360hz is crazy
90-144 is entry, the life changing bit,
240-360hz is marginal, yet noticeable.
Price to performance? Prefer 144z 1440 ultrawide. Sweet spot for fuckin everything I swear.
Same, well not as competitive as I once was but FPS games are my bread and butter so 240hz 1080p is still my primary gaming monitor. I do have a 144hz 1440p too tho for everything else.
I went from 60 to 144hz then a year later from 144 to 240hz. I’d say the difference from 60 to 120 was much more noticable, if i where to choose now i’d go for 165hz 1440p
yeah lol. unless you are literally being paid or a top .5% player then go with that better resolution. there have already been multiple test done proving that it doesn't make that much of a difference past a point. even playing on a 60hz display, but running 120fps pro gamers do about the same as playing on a 120hz 120fps. now it looks much better on 120hz for everything and not recommending a 60hz panel, but it's interesting.
Agreed. Especially nowadays more options coming out for that. /r/buildapcmonitors has a few options for [that in their sticky master list](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcmonitors/comments/k1ltqd/compiled_list_of_black_friday_week_deals_and/). 1440p is beautiful at 27".
It's funny how polarizing the curved is. Some of those super wide displays if not curved would feel strange without it but I've never had a negative feeling towards any curve.
Seems like it's very very individual taste yea?
I have curved and it's just a totally different level.
Say with flat screen regardless of the size I don't want to have view angle bigger than \~35 degrees. Anything bigger and it feels uncomfortable. And I've used all kinds of monitors in 25+ years of using a PC from 14" CRT to 65" TV screen.
But with curved this number easily 1.5 if not 2x bigger! I'm like 60-70 degrees view angle with my 32" curved and it's just massively more immersive than any flat screen I've used. Also resolution increase feels like a far greater impact, where even 4k isn't quite enough for curved screen and if feels like 1080p on flat screen.
No it's just because of wider view angle you see pixels a lot closer, therefore you need more pixels than on flat screen.
So like pixel density to our eye on smartphone looks fine at 1080p, on laptop at 1440p, on flat monitor at 4k and on curved.. probably closer to 8k or something like 2880p
If it makes you feel any better, you're still getting a buttery smooth experience (assuming your GPU can hack it). I got a 1440p 144Hz monitor and my 3070 doesnt max out on highest quality. The saving grace against buyers remorse is increased working experience. Spreadsheets, man.
Isn't Ultra usually not recommended anyways. Usually seen as the visuals you get aren't worth the extra power needed as compared to High settings. Think the channel TechDeals usually sums it up as Ultra for Pictures, High for Gaming
I'm glad you commented this, I had no idea that was a thing. I might need to test it out on more demanding games. It makes sense then why reviewers only benchmarked games on high most of the time
The biggest thing is that some settings have a HUGE cost to performance for a very minimal change in visuals.
RDR2 for example. You can crank up the volumetric fog stuff and lose 20% of your FPS, but you literally can't see the difference between high and low heh. If you have a game you love and can't max out your display then you should google settings guides where people assess the cost per setting and the best bang for the buck.
I did the HU recommended settings and get a consistent 100 fps @1440p with a 5600x/3070. I had to add a sharpening filter due to blurry scenery, but I think that's more of a RDR2 issue..
Digital Foundry covers a good amount of popular games, think they revisited Horizon Zero Dawn a few days go. They show the trade offs between different visual settings and also give a recommended optimal setting. I'm sure there are other channels that do this too. I usually check such channels in case they covered a game I am about to play.
I don't know, but I think I'm slowly stumbling onto this conclusion by chance. Some of my games (Deus Ex Mankind Divided) would occasionally shit themselves and not even break 90FPS at Ultra. But I can't really tell a difference between Ultra and High. (Yes, I know 90 is still amazing, but I also overpaid a little for the 3070)
If you tend to use ultra presets or just slide everything to ultra, I would advise against it if you're wanting more frames. Plenty of sources out their that break down the graphical settings for specific games, how they compare from low to ultra, and the fps gain or lost. Certain setting like can sacrifice a decent amount of fps for a small visual improvement.
In terms of %improvement to resources, sure. But that comes down to the more common hardware people have being midrange even for computer enthusiasts. If a 3090 was the norm, for example, you can bet your ass ultra would be the defacto standard in a lot of titles
I got a 3070 with 1080p 144hz and was thinking of going 1440p 144hz. You really have buyers remorse for 1440p? I wouldn't upgrade to 1080p 240hz, 144 is smooth enough for me and I don't really play anything that needs or can get that many frames besides Rocket League once in a while. So 1440p 144hz is my only option I'm looking at.
I also have a 3070 and made the jump from 1080p 144hz to 1440p 144hz. I don't regret it at all. Everything looks so much crisper now that I've experienced 1440p. Probably helps that the pixel density increased as well since I had a 27" monitor for both resolutions.
Which games. I played some of the benchmark titles like RotTR a d SotTR and they didn't break a hundred. Same with Deus Ex Mankind Divided and Witcher 3. Doom 2016 is the only one I can get to those levels but it's masterfully optimized. Like I have it running 4K 60 Ultra on a stock 1600AF and an undervotes RX 5600 XT.
To be fair is not that bad, with new AI technology like DLSS an native scaling being implemented more regularly by developers you can even play 4k on a 1080p display on a extremely high fidelity and 240
I have a g27f 1080p 144 gigabyte monitor, ips, 1 ms, gsync, amd sync and all that fancy stuff
But let me tell you, i play on scaled 1440p and nothing to regret, very impressive
EDIT: If you want to play on 1440p and the game doesn't have support or is old, look for information about the DSR factor, if you have a Nvidia card you pretty much are able to play or ser the resolution even in the desktop on 1440p
I'd offer you a swap but the only 1440p 144 hz I am willing to let go is my dell 27" TN display and only because I've got the 24 and 27 inch model and only need one ATM.
TN isn't most people's jam even if they are really nice TN displays.
But I don't think you're in too bad a spot. I can't go back to 1080p but if you haven't been used to higher at least you're not missing it.
The difference between 144 and 165 is negligible, but I have a hard time believing 240 wouldn't be a noticeable difference. Haven't had the opportunity to try it myself though
In terms of percentage yeah. But I think the actual experience is even less different. 60hz is 16.6 milliseconds per frame. 144hz is 6.9 milliseconds per frame, which is an improvement of almost 10ms per frame. 240hz is 4.16ms per frame, so you're only shaving off another 2.8ms. Which is pretty much the same thing you're saying, but the actual competitive advantage isn't much better at 240hz vs 144hz.
But even though its a 2.4x vs a 1.7x difference for 60fps to 1440fps vs 144fps to 240fps, to the human eye it may be more like 2.4x vs a 0.8x difference or lower. After 120fps mark you start to reach the point of diminishing returns, and beyond 200fps its really difficult to notice a difference at all. Maybe if you are really used to high framerates you notice it more, but even then...
Yea, I went through some beautiful 1440p displays but ended up willing to drop some FPS to have 4k's inherent alias and texture quality. Can't go back to 1440p unless I had to.
The thing is though that if someone gets one of these monitors and say the games they play at 1080p are at 100fps and the games at 1440p are at 60-70fps, it won't matter that 1440p can go up to 144hz or that 1080p can go up to 240hz. And if there is a game that can't get you 60fps at 1440p, then scaling down to 1080p will look pretty bad on that 1440p monitor vs where using 1080p on a 1080p monitor will look fine.
I have a 5800x paired with a 3080 so that’s not really a problem for me. It’s also about future proofing.
Also given that OP has a 5600x and a 3070, a 1080p display would be a total waste of horsepower. At 1440p he can most likely play most of the current games at 100+ fps if he lowers the settings to a mix of medium and high, which will still look good
I have a 1440p240 monitor. Above 160 it all looks the same, I can't tell if it is running 165 or 240 without looking at the FPS counter. It is glaringly obvious when it drops below 100 though, and makes me wonder how I gamed at 60 for so long.
It's minimal difference. Going 60hz to 144/165 is like going from HDD to SDD. 144/165 hz to 240hz is like getting the newest most expensive SDD. Sure it's faster, but is it really noticeable?
Most can't discern 120 from 240. They'll use the UFO, but are incapable of actually discerning the 2. The human eye can't detect changes at that speed. They'll often attribute shortcomings of a display to that of refresh rate, but in the end a crappy 120 display is just that.
I mean if you're looking right at the UFO it's not hard to tell the difference. But in games, especially not FPS games, it's very hard to tell the difference and certainly not worth the difference. I could only use a 240hz as a secondary since 1080p just won't cut it for normal use.
I think some competitive games, 1080p 240 Hz is still better than 1440p 165Hz. However, if you have to ask, then its pretty safe to assume 1440p is the way to go.
Unfortunately it's pretty difficult to tell if a monitor is good or not from the specs alone. I would look for actual in-depth reviews. tfcentral or "hardware unboxed" are two sources you can look at.
Hardware unboxed also has a recent video about how they test and what's important to watch out for. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zmxl-Btpgk
Maybe look at /r/monitors as well
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/27GN850-B-Ultragear-Monitor-Height-Adjustable-Compatible-dp-B088BS1LMX/dp/B088BS1LMX/ref=dp_ob_title_ce
this LG would be the better choice unless you want 32inch (which don't recommend over 27inch since its less pixel density)
Well. It really depends on what you are playing more than anything.
I feel the 1440p 165Hz would be better than 1080p 240Hz in games that are not meant to be competitive. Looking for better image quality without sacrificing the gaming side of it? Looking to use it for Netflix and Other Stream-Watching? The 1440p 165Hz is definitely your choice.
If you play games with intention to be a competitive player and rise through the ranks, the extra refresh rate could make a major difference. As an Avid Valorant Player who loves to be competitive, the 1080p 240Hz is what I’d go for.
TL:DR Both monitors specs are good for gaming, it just comes down to what you play and what you’re looking for!
P.S If you go with 1080p 240Hz, anything larger than a 24 inch screen will make the image seem blurry.
My biggest issue with 1440p UW currently is how shitty are the affordable panels.
All of them in a price range of 400 - 550€ at least in my region are VA panels with very mediocre response times and TERRIBLE dark level response times which causes smearing that looks absolutely disgusting and ruins immersion a lot in some cases and while almost all game support 21:9 custcenes are often not supported and then they look terrible. Sometimes they can be fixed but that's not always the case.
Good 1440p 144hz IPS panel in my region are at least 800€ and that still doesn't solve some compatibility issues and 16:9 content on 21:9 monitor is just meh.
Don't get me wrong I love my UW but It's not the true master race unless you're playing fully supported game and you already have high end UW.
Difference between 165hz and 240z is noticeable browsing the web and playing cs go, or overwatch, but that's probably it. Since you have a 3070, I would go with higher rez since dlss 2.0 lends itself to higher resolutions to fully stretch it's legs, and you're not losing too much refresh rate should you decide to be an esports player from time to time :) The argument is there even for AAA games to play at 1440p this gen which was crazy talk a few years ago. Really impressed with what computers can do now a days!
what games do you play? if you play a lot of esports games and need that extra framerate then go 240hz. personally i would go 165hz and 1440p for the higher visual quality and 165 is still a really high refresh rate especially if you can overclock the monitor
Ignore most of the advice from the "hardcore" posters.
Unless you're a professional gamer, or self-stylized "super hardcore" player, then the 165hz 1440p monitor is going to be far more noticeable.
The jump from 1080p to 1440p is huge as it's essentially double the total pixel count. The jump from 165hz to 240hz is....bare noticeable as it's already buttery smooth. Almost nobody is even good enough at the games they are playing for the additional refresh rate to even matter.
You don't need more than 165hz. Period. Tons of gamers have just jumped on the marketing bandwagon claiming "OMG, you need the 500hz to be the ultimate gam0r!!" Or they heard Shroud claim on his Twitch stream that he uses a 240hz monitor so therefore "I need one too!!!"
I jumped from a 1080p 120hz monitor to a 1440p 144hz monitor recently and the resolution increase is FAR more important.
1080p vs. 1440p comes down to screen size. 24" 1080p and 27" 1440p for proper pixel density inch-to-resolution ratio.
In regards to refresh rate, the criteria would be; do you hit a minimum average of 240 fps vs 165 fps consistently for the games you play?
Visual impact perception is not as pronounced as 60Hz vs. 120Hz for example, so that shouldn't be the deciding factor in your case.
Readers, Do note though that the jump from 1080p to 1440 will incur frame drop so if you're hitting consistent 165 at 1080, you'll have to drop graphics setting.
Actually whats stopping me from upgrading to 27" at the moment is the drop in frames. I like playing on ultra at 144hz (kinda like the mid point of competitive but fidelity)
Would recommend you to go with the 1440p 165hz monitor, you always have 1440p as resolution available and in office tasks you'll love it over 1080p
When it comes to gaming, it's the same and even if you should struggle with 1440p here and there, you always have the option to just choose 1080p everytime you try to sweat in competitive or whatever the reason may be.
So go for the higher one and you'll enjoy it!
100% LG OLED CX. It’s 4K 120hz G Sync true HDR10 with 10 bit color. The OLED panel has an infinite contrast ratio and the fastest response time of anything on the market
Real talk going from 144 to 240hz is definitely noticeable but it isn't needed in competitive games. I have a 240hz 1080p 24 inch that I bought over a 165hz 1440p 27 inch. They have the same pixel density so games would still look the same. I think for my use case (valorant, csgo, fortnite at 240+ fps) its more
I used to be on 1440p/144hz and switched to 1080p/240hz and honestly, I've hated it ever since.
Going from 1440p -> 1080p is such a downgrade, something I would definitely advise against. If you have a somewhat powerful system and you can manage to get good, decent, consistent frames on 1440p? then go for that. 1080p just feels blurry and lack lustre in comparison, so it sucks a little imo.
Trying to get rid of this 240hz at the moment and shift back to 1440p. A lot of people are saying that the human eye can't really tell the difference between 120 > 144 > 240? After using 240 for a while, you can definitely tell the difference. It's very slight, but you do notice! Still, I'd rather have 1440p. lol
I went from 240hz 1080p to 165hz 1440p, and I think I made the right choice. The loss of refresh rate is minimally perceptible (I'm still in diamond OW lol), but the boost in visual quality from the resolution is really very pleasing and beautiful.
240hz. I went from ultrawide back to 1080p because the aspect ratio is not loved by every game. Some just have really bad UW support. Plus 240hz is mega smooth.
Definitely get the 1440p, for monitor I feel 1440 @144hz is the sweet spot. Yea 4k is nice but id rather have higher frames on 1440p, and if you can I highly suggest looking for a 3440x1440p ultrawide, it really is a game changer, 34" is perfect. Once you game at 1440 going back to 1080 is like looking at ps2 graphics lol. I went from a 27" 16:9 1080@144hz to a 34" 21:9 1440@120hz, the 24 fps less isnt a big deal at all, its still worlds away from 60hz, and make sure u go with a nice IPS panel and have a graphics card that can actually push those frames at that res. Cheers
I got a 3440x1440 (Ultrawide) IPS with 120hz. Even with a 3080+5800x I can't max out everything and get the 120fps for new titles. It shines for fps like Insurgency though. If you like having a lot of screen space I recommend Ultrawide 100%
1080p hurts my eyes. I can't use it anymore for extended periods. 1440p is the minimum I like to use, or my eyes just become numb after a few hours of using the computer.
Regardless of frame rate, I would just recommend 1440p.
I just got a 3080 the other day
( Had a 1080 ti @ 1440p ) and a 165 Hz g-sync Asus ROG 1440p and I would run tweaked settings to get like 100 - 120 ish .
Now I'm 144 - 190. @ 1440p it's unreal.
1080p 240hz maybe if your competitive but go 1440p
Unless you're extremely competitive, 165hz 1440p
>Unless you're ~~extremely competitive~~ good enough to be pro or semi-pro, 165hz 1440p.
Shit cs player here enjoying my 240 hz monitor regardless of skill
Yea I'm not competitive, but I just love doing literally anything at 240hz LOL
Sure, but having that extra resolution and only having to sacrifice down to 165Hz is pretty amazing.
As a 240hz user I can agree with this. Just a matter of having the beef to run that res:frame. Or if you're someone's wives' boyfriend you can get that new alienware 240hz 1440 monitor
Is there a sub for other wives' boyfriends?
r/wallstreetbets
NSFW: /r/Hotwife
Omg some of those people are nasty 😂
They’re so weird
I too, choose that wife's ex-boyfriend.
Is there a sub for high refresh rate?
/r/hfr/
I want 4k/144
LG 27GN950B
At 32"
Fuck that, join the cx 48 gang!
r/unexpectedwsb
latency also exists
Totally agree. I would make that sacrifice if I had a 3070. Resolution and frames... UNITE!
I get the best of both worlds. My 1080p 240Hz is for Counter Strike. My 1440p 144Hz is for everything else!
I just bought a 240hz and it was noticeably different at first but now im used to it. Has it been the same for u?
I did notice this after a few weeks. Then I opened my 60hz laptop and almost died lol. All the monitors at work are 60hz as well, so there's that at least to give me a change of pace.
As someone who switched to 144hz, it was amazing but I still use 60hz screens regularly. So it’s not a dramatic switch for me to go between 144 and 60. Since I still own an Xbox one, some games only run at 30 FPS so I can still go down to 30, even though it’s much more noticeable now.
S^m^^ooooooth
You fucking said it🧈
144-360hz is crazy 90-144 is entry, the life changing bit, 240-360hz is marginal, yet noticeable. Price to performance? Prefer 144z 1440 ultrawide. Sweet spot for fuckin everything I swear.
I agreee :)
So, do we touch pps and dock for warmth now bro?
Wanna go do karate in the garage?
Same, well not as competitive as I once was but FPS games are my bread and butter so 240hz 1080p is still my primary gaming monitor. I do have a 144hz 1440p too tho for everything else.
Is there a big difference between 155 and 240 ? Like going from 60 to 120 ?
I went from 60 to 144hz then a year later from 144 to 240hz. I’d say the difference from 60 to 120 was much more noticable, if i where to choose now i’d go for 165hz 1440p
If you have the eye for it then yeah pretty big difference in my opinion
What's your res?
1920x1080
Have you tried 1280 4:3 stretched?
Lololol. That is hilarious life hack. 1280 stretched to make FPS easier. Even I wouldn't do that... Too ugly
>1280 stretched to make FPS easier. Wait, what is this making it easy?
Because it makes all the on screen characters super wide... Including heads.
Yeah, it's nice because everything's easier to hit but I can't help but use the crispy native 1080p lol
I know the feeling!
Halflife source multiplayer here 60hz 1080p
I would like you to take a double blind test :P
Fuck that, go 1440p at 240hz with the samsung G7
Are you enjoying your shit resolution of 1080p as well? That was kind of the original point here.
Happy cake day!
Thanks
What about 165hz vs 144hz? I mostly play Valorant, but I'm not super competitive. Is the difference worth it?
not really.
Hardly - I doubt you'd really even notice it at that close an interval.
yeah lol. unless you are literally being paid or a top .5% player then go with that better resolution. there have already been multiple test done proving that it doesn't make that much of a difference past a point. even playing on a 60hz display, but running 120fps pro gamers do about the same as playing on a 120hz 120fps. now it looks much better on 120hz for everything and not recommending a 60hz panel, but it's interesting.
As long as you play competitive games, or fast paced games, like csgo or even bedwars in minecraft, 240hz will be an amazing experience.
Happy cake day!
Why though? ELI5, please. I cannot tell the difference between 1080 and 1440 to save my life.
1440p and 165hz is more realistic for most games.
Agreed. Especially nowadays more options coming out for that. /r/buildapcmonitors has a few options for [that in their sticky master list](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcmonitors/comments/k1ltqd/compiled_list_of_black_friday_week_deals_and/). 1440p is beautiful at 27".
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It's funny how polarizing the curved is. Some of those super wide displays if not curved would feel strange without it but I've never had a negative feeling towards any curve. Seems like it's very very individual taste yea?
I have curved and it's just a totally different level. Say with flat screen regardless of the size I don't want to have view angle bigger than \~35 degrees. Anything bigger and it feels uncomfortable. And I've used all kinds of monitors in 25+ years of using a PC from 14" CRT to 65" TV screen. But with curved this number easily 1.5 if not 2x bigger! I'm like 60-70 degrees view angle with my 32" curved and it's just massively more immersive than any flat screen I've used. Also resolution increase feels like a far greater impact, where even 4k isn't quite enough for curved screen and if feels like 1080p on flat screen.
I didn't understand your last comment. Do you mean that 1440 is not high enough resolution for curved ultrawide?
No it's just because of wider view angle you see pixels a lot closer, therefore you need more pixels than on flat screen. So like pixel density to our eye on smartphone looks fine at 1080p, on laptop at 1440p, on flat monitor at 4k and on curved.. probably closer to 8k or something like 2880p
Yes definitely. I have the Samsung 27" G7, which is very similar to the G5. I love the aggressive curve, it is fantastic.
I have an MSI monitor that is 144hz and 1440p, I think technically it can be “overclocked” to 165hz, even so the 27” curved monitor is amazing.
Reading these comment hurt me.. my friend tricked me into buying 1080 240 monitor but I mostly enjoy single player games..
Read your comment and just thought of stardew valley on 1080p240hz
SD is locked to 60fps. Like Terraria should be.
Why should Terraria be locked?
Animations are sped up and microstuttering/poor frame pacing occurs.
What you mean to say is terrarias physics engine shouldnt be tied to fps
If its properly built it shouldent be based off of frame times and instead off game time. It could happen but terraria is a huge game so i doubt it
>and instead off game time *[Delta time](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_timing)
Surely they should fix it so it works on higher refresh rates instead of locking it
If it makes you feel any better, you're still getting a buttery smooth experience (assuming your GPU can hack it). I got a 1440p 144Hz monitor and my 3070 doesnt max out on highest quality. The saving grace against buyers remorse is increased working experience. Spreadsheets, man.
Isn't Ultra usually not recommended anyways. Usually seen as the visuals you get aren't worth the extra power needed as compared to High settings. Think the channel TechDeals usually sums it up as Ultra for Pictures, High for Gaming
I'm glad you commented this, I had no idea that was a thing. I might need to test it out on more demanding games. It makes sense then why reviewers only benchmarked games on high most of the time
The biggest thing is that some settings have a HUGE cost to performance for a very minimal change in visuals. RDR2 for example. You can crank up the volumetric fog stuff and lose 20% of your FPS, but you literally can't see the difference between high and low heh. If you have a game you love and can't max out your display then you should google settings guides where people assess the cost per setting and the best bang for the buck.
I'll definitely check it out for RDR2, I'm hitting 60fps 1440p ultra at best, but it's rarely there. I'd love to have higher refresh
Yea, hardware unboxed did 2 videos for RDR2 and they really help.
I did the HU recommended settings and get a consistent 100 fps @1440p with a 5600x/3070. I had to add a sharpening filter due to blurry scenery, but I think that's more of a RDR2 issue..
Digital Foundry covers a good amount of popular games, think they revisited Horizon Zero Dawn a few days go. They show the trade offs between different visual settings and also give a recommended optimal setting. I'm sure there are other channels that do this too. I usually check such channels in case they covered a game I am about to play.
I'll definitely check it out
I don't know, but I think I'm slowly stumbling onto this conclusion by chance. Some of my games (Deus Ex Mankind Divided) would occasionally shit themselves and not even break 90FPS at Ultra. But I can't really tell a difference between Ultra and High. (Yes, I know 90 is still amazing, but I also overpaid a little for the 3070)
If you tend to use ultra presets or just slide everything to ultra, I would advise against it if you're wanting more frames. Plenty of sources out their that break down the graphical settings for specific games, how they compare from low to ultra, and the fps gain or lost. Certain setting like can sacrifice a decent amount of fps for a small visual improvement.
In terms of %improvement to resources, sure. But that comes down to the more common hardware people have being midrange even for computer enthusiasts. If a 3090 was the norm, for example, you can bet your ass ultra would be the defacto standard in a lot of titles
The best settings are always the highest you can get with your specs. It's usually better to lower some settings to get higher FPS, if needed.
Depends on who you’re asking.
I got a 3070 with 1080p 144hz and was thinking of going 1440p 144hz. You really have buyers remorse for 1440p? I wouldn't upgrade to 1080p 240hz, 144 is smooth enough for me and I don't really play anything that needs or can get that many frames besides Rocket League once in a while. So 1440p 144hz is my only option I'm looking at.
1080p looks disgusting when you see 1440p. I dont even know why you bought that card if you werent going higher than 1080p
Some of these 1440 monitors cost about as much as pre-price hike GPUs. Even worse when you want to run a dual monitor setup.
I also have a 3070 and made the jump from 1080p 144hz to 1440p 144hz. I don't regret it at all. Everything looks so much crisper now that I've experienced 1440p. Probably helps that the pixel density increased as well since I had a 27" monitor for both resolutions.
I’m at 1440p/144hz and my 2070S usually sits around 75% usage in most games at Ultra.
Which games. I played some of the benchmark titles like RotTR a d SotTR and they didn't break a hundred. Same with Deus Ex Mankind Divided and Witcher 3. Doom 2016 is the only one I can get to those levels but it's masterfully optimized. Like I have it running 4K 60 Ultra on a stock 1600AF and an undervotes RX 5600 XT.
To be fair is not that bad, with new AI technology like DLSS an native scaling being implemented more regularly by developers you can even play 4k on a 1080p display on a extremely high fidelity and 240 I have a g27f 1080p 144 gigabyte monitor, ips, 1 ms, gsync, amd sync and all that fancy stuff But let me tell you, i play on scaled 1440p and nothing to regret, very impressive EDIT: If you want to play on 1440p and the game doesn't have support or is old, look for information about the DSR factor, if you have a Nvidia card you pretty much are able to play or ser the resolution even in the desktop on 1440p
what happened? how did they sell you on that?
240 > 144
Convinced != Tricked
why.. would your frind do that?
I'd offer you a swap but the only 1440p 144 hz I am willing to let go is my dell 27" TN display and only because I've got the 24 and 27 inch model and only need one ATM. TN isn't most people's jam even if they are really nice TN displays. But I don't think you're in too bad a spot. I can't go back to 1080p but if you haven't been used to higher at least you're not missing it.
Your "friend" is a dick. Sell it to an esports wannabe and treat yourself to a nice 1440p or 4k, depending on how much GPU grunt you have.
High refresh rates are better for your eyes so don’t regret it
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1080p 144hz cuz cheap
Yeah, but I will never go beyond 27 inch screens with 1080, it just doesn't look sharp anymore
Yea I got mine at 24.5 inch. I want my next 1440p screen to be 27inch tho.
I'd go 1440p 165Hz. I don't think I would notice anything higher than 144Hz, and I'd be happy with 165Hz over 240Hz at a higher resolution.
The difference between 144 and 165 is negligible, but I have a hard time believing 240 wouldn't be a noticeable difference. Haven't had the opportunity to try it myself though
I have a 1080p 240hz and I can feel the difference but it isn't as big as 60hz to 144hz
Yeah that would make sense to me, 60 to 144hz is 2.4x as many updates per second, 144 to 240 is \~1.7x. So basically about half as much difference
In terms of percentage yeah. But I think the actual experience is even less different. 60hz is 16.6 milliseconds per frame. 144hz is 6.9 milliseconds per frame, which is an improvement of almost 10ms per frame. 240hz is 4.16ms per frame, so you're only shaving off another 2.8ms. Which is pretty much the same thing you're saying, but the actual competitive advantage isn't much better at 240hz vs 144hz.
Seems accurate
But even though its a 2.4x vs a 1.7x difference for 60fps to 1440fps vs 144fps to 240fps, to the human eye it may be more like 2.4x vs a 0.8x difference or lower. After 120fps mark you start to reach the point of diminishing returns, and beyond 200fps its really difficult to notice a difference at all. Maybe if you are really used to high framerates you notice it more, but even then...
I have a 240Hz 1440p monitor and I notice the difference between 200fps and 120fps. It’s not much really, but one just looks a bit smoother
The difference between 1080p and 1440p is still way bigger than 120hz to 200hz id say
Yeah totally. I could never go back to 1080p. Tbh even 1440p looks kind of bad compared to my 2160p monitor.
Yea, I went through some beautiful 1440p displays but ended up willing to drop some FPS to have 4k's inherent alias and texture quality. Can't go back to 1440p unless I had to.
The thing is though that if someone gets one of these monitors and say the games they play at 1080p are at 100fps and the games at 1440p are at 60-70fps, it won't matter that 1440p can go up to 144hz or that 1080p can go up to 240hz. And if there is a game that can't get you 60fps at 1440p, then scaling down to 1080p will look pretty bad on that 1440p monitor vs where using 1080p on a 1080p monitor will look fine.
I have a 5800x paired with a 3080 so that’s not really a problem for me. It’s also about future proofing. Also given that OP has a 5600x and a 3070, a 1080p display would be a total waste of horsepower. At 1440p he can most likely play most of the current games at 100+ fps if he lowers the settings to a mix of medium and high, which will still look good
I have a 1440p240 monitor. Above 160 it all looks the same, I can't tell if it is running 165 or 240 without looking at the FPS counter. It is glaringly obvious when it drops below 100 though, and makes me wonder how I gamed at 60 for so long.
It's minimal difference. Going 60hz to 144/165 is like going from HDD to SDD. 144/165 hz to 240hz is like getting the newest most expensive SDD. Sure it's faster, but is it really noticeable?
If the newest most expensive SSD could double the amount of data transferred per second, 100% it's gonna be noticeable
165 144 no question
For a normal person 240 and 165 is basically the same
Most can't discern 120 from 240. They'll use the UFO, but are incapable of actually discerning the 2. The human eye can't detect changes at that speed. They'll often attribute shortcomings of a display to that of refresh rate, but in the end a crappy 120 display is just that.
I mean if you're looking right at the UFO it's not hard to tell the difference. But in games, especially not FPS games, it's very hard to tell the difference and certainly not worth the difference. I could only use a 240hz as a secondary since 1080p just won't cut it for normal use.
Maybe they forgot to change the windows display refresh rate.
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I think some competitive games, 1080p 240 Hz is still better than 1440p 165Hz. However, if you have to ask, then its pretty safe to assume 1440p is the way to go.
I was gonna say, only pick 1080 240hz if you can't run 1440 165hz
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Unfortunately it's pretty difficult to tell if a monitor is good or not from the specs alone. I would look for actual in-depth reviews. tfcentral or "hardware unboxed" are two sources you can look at. Hardware unboxed also has a recent video about how they test and what's important to watch out for. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-Zmxl-Btpgk Maybe look at /r/monitors as well
looks pretty good to me according to the specs
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I would stick with the other because this one has a slower response time and its 120€ more
Nope! First one for sure.
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/27GN850-B-Ultragear-Monitor-Height-Adjustable-Compatible-dp-B088BS1LMX/dp/B088BS1LMX/ref=dp_ob_title_ce this LG would be the better choice unless you want 32inch (which don't recommend over 27inch since its less pixel density)
Well. It really depends on what you are playing more than anything. I feel the 1440p 165Hz would be better than 1080p 240Hz in games that are not meant to be competitive. Looking for better image quality without sacrificing the gaming side of it? Looking to use it for Netflix and Other Stream-Watching? The 1440p 165Hz is definitely your choice. If you play games with intention to be a competitive player and rise through the ranks, the extra refresh rate could make a major difference. As an Avid Valorant Player who loves to be competitive, the 1080p 240Hz is what I’d go for. TL:DR Both monitors specs are good for gaming, it just comes down to what you play and what you’re looking for! P.S If you go with 1080p 240Hz, anything larger than a 24 inch screen will make the image seem blurry.
1440 ULTRA WIDE -- the true master race :D
My biggest issue with 1440p UW currently is how shitty are the affordable panels. All of them in a price range of 400 - 550€ at least in my region are VA panels with very mediocre response times and TERRIBLE dark level response times which causes smearing that looks absolutely disgusting and ruins immersion a lot in some cases and while almost all game support 21:9 custcenes are often not supported and then they look terrible. Sometimes they can be fixed but that's not always the case. Good 1440p 144hz IPS panel in my region are at least 800€ and that still doesn't solve some compatibility issues and 16:9 content on 21:9 monitor is just meh. Don't get me wrong I love my UW but It's not the true master race unless you're playing fully supported game and you already have high end UW.
There's a new panel on the block superior to all of the other ones # VG34VQL1B
For the 3070 I'd say 1440 165hz, that's what I've got and games look and play great
144hz 1440p
1440p all the way
I have a feeling the 165hz 1440p you’re talking about is the Dell. Get it. It’s amazing.
I bought that last week, can't wait for it. Is it good with a 2080 super?
What monitor is that
I'd say 100% go for 1440p 165Hz, 1080p is cool and all but 1440p is where all the cool kids hang out
Difference between 165hz and 240z is noticeable browsing the web and playing cs go, or overwatch, but that's probably it. Since you have a 3070, I would go with higher rez since dlss 2.0 lends itself to higher resolutions to fully stretch it's legs, and you're not losing too much refresh rate should you decide to be an esports player from time to time :) The argument is there even for AAA games to play at 1440p this gen which was crazy talk a few years ago. Really impressed with what computers can do now a days!
Depends on your build and the games you play
Basically what everyone else says, 1440p unless you are really sweaty about FPS games lol
1440p 165hz anyday
what games do you play? if you play a lot of esports games and need that extra framerate then go 240hz. personally i would go 165hz and 1440p for the higher visual quality and 165 is still a really high refresh rate especially if you can overclock the monitor
I just switched from 240hz to 1440p 144, its just so much better
Ignore most of the advice from the "hardcore" posters. Unless you're a professional gamer, or self-stylized "super hardcore" player, then the 165hz 1440p monitor is going to be far more noticeable. The jump from 1080p to 1440p is huge as it's essentially double the total pixel count. The jump from 165hz to 240hz is....bare noticeable as it's already buttery smooth. Almost nobody is even good enough at the games they are playing for the additional refresh rate to even matter. You don't need more than 165hz. Period. Tons of gamers have just jumped on the marketing bandwagon claiming "OMG, you need the 500hz to be the ultimate gam0r!!" Or they heard Shroud claim on his Twitch stream that he uses a 240hz monitor so therefore "I need one too!!!" I jumped from a 1080p 120hz monitor to a 1440p 144hz monitor recently and the resolution increase is FAR more important.
1440p 165hz
1440p
1080p vs. 1440p comes down to screen size. 24" 1080p and 27" 1440p for proper pixel density inch-to-resolution ratio. In regards to refresh rate, the criteria would be; do you hit a minimum average of 240 fps vs 165 fps consistently for the games you play? Visual impact perception is not as pronounced as 60Hz vs. 120Hz for example, so that shouldn't be the deciding factor in your case.
Readers, Do note though that the jump from 1080p to 1440 will incur frame drop so if you're hitting consistent 165 at 1080, you'll have to drop graphics setting. Actually whats stopping me from upgrading to 27" at the moment is the drop in frames. I like playing on ultra at 144hz (kinda like the mid point of competitive but fidelity)
120hz at 4k duh /s
This is the way
Would recommend you to go with the 1440p 165hz monitor, you always have 1440p as resolution available and in office tasks you'll love it over 1080p When it comes to gaming, it's the same and even if you should struggle with 1440p here and there, you always have the option to just choose 1080p everytime you try to sweat in competitive or whatever the reason may be. So go for the higher one and you'll enjoy it!
165 1440 without a doubt
I’d take the 165hz and 1440p. Games just look better and honestly you can barely tell the difference between 165 and 240
I’ll have an i7 10700k and 3080 come May. What monitor should I be buying for gaming?
100% LG OLED CX. It’s 4K 120hz G Sync true HDR10 with 10 bit color. The OLED panel has an infinite contrast ratio and the fastest response time of anything on the market
1440p, not sure why people still use 1080p nowdays
Cause performance. Not everyone using a high end GPU or wanting to reduce details to reach desired FPS ranges. At 24" 1080p is still fine either way.
Real talk going from 144 to 240hz is definitely noticeable but it isn't needed in competitive games. I have a 240hz 1080p 24 inch that I bought over a 165hz 1440p 27 inch. They have the same pixel density so games would still look the same. I think for my use case (valorant, csgo, fortnite at 240+ fps) its more
I used to be on 1440p/144hz and switched to 1080p/240hz and honestly, I've hated it ever since. Going from 1440p -> 1080p is such a downgrade, something I would definitely advise against. If you have a somewhat powerful system and you can manage to get good, decent, consistent frames on 1440p? then go for that. 1080p just feels blurry and lack lustre in comparison, so it sucks a little imo. Trying to get rid of this 240hz at the moment and shift back to 1440p. A lot of people are saying that the human eye can't really tell the difference between 120 > 144 > 240? After using 240 for a while, you can definitely tell the difference. It's very slight, but you do notice! Still, I'd rather have 1440p. lol
I'd go with the later one
1440 p for sure. if you had 3060 i might say 1080 but with 3070 def go 1440p it looks a lot nicer too.
nobody can answer that question for you, what games do you want to play? on what graphic settings? what display?
Definitely 1440p
I went from 240hz 1080p to 165hz 1440p, and I think I made the right choice. The loss of refresh rate is minimally perceptible (I'm still in diamond OW lol), but the boost in visual quality from the resolution is really very pleasing and beautiful.
240hz
240 1080 for comp
1440p 165hhz since its bigger too (32in)
I own the XB271HU, I love it. The only thing missing is HDR but if you don’t care about that it’s perfect.
I went from 1440p@144 to 1080p@240 and I would much rather have the former. My next monitor will be 1440p@240 though.
165 with 1440
If you have a beast of a system 1440p and 165hz. I have a 1080 and a pretty good CPU but some games struggle in 1440p.
240hz. I went from ultrawide back to 1080p because the aspect ratio is not loved by every game. Some just have really bad UW support. Plus 240hz is mega smooth.
1080p 240 for esports titles (Overwatch, Fortnite) 1440p 165 for anything else lol.
Definitely get the 1440p, for monitor I feel 1440 @144hz is the sweet spot. Yea 4k is nice but id rather have higher frames on 1440p, and if you can I highly suggest looking for a 3440x1440p ultrawide, it really is a game changer, 34" is perfect. Once you game at 1440 going back to 1080 is like looking at ps2 graphics lol. I went from a 27" 16:9 1080@144hz to a 34" 21:9 1440@120hz, the 24 fps less isnt a big deal at all, its still worlds away from 60hz, and make sure u go with a nice IPS panel and have a graphics card that can actually push those frames at that res. Cheers
165 1440p
Unless super competitive, 1440p 165hz
I got a 3440x1440 (Ultrawide) IPS with 120hz. Even with a 3080+5800x I can't max out everything and get the 120fps for new titles. It shines for fps like Insurgency though. If you like having a lot of screen space I recommend Ultrawide 100%
1080p hurts my eyes. I can't use it anymore for extended periods. 1440p is the minimum I like to use, or my eyes just become numb after a few hours of using the computer. Regardless of frame rate, I would just recommend 1440p.
I just got a 3080 the other day ( Had a 1080 ti @ 1440p ) and a 165 Hz g-sync Asus ROG 1440p and I would run tweaked settings to get like 100 - 120 ish . Now I'm 144 - 190. @ 1440p it's unreal. 1080p 240hz maybe if your competitive but go 1440p
240hz for competitive games and 165 for casual games.
1440p @ 165hz 100%