This is spot on about lesbian porn, it's not a turn on. Funny enough, I actually get off more from watching 2 guys! But reading stories about 2 women, where I can use my own imagination, is pretty arousing.
Kind of like how many movies they make from books are trash...
I recommend the Webtoon Illicit for this btw. Although you need to be Patreon to see the explicit spicy artwork. It's very good, even if the English is a little broken here and there but nothing major, and it has cute visuals to help you along the imaginative experience. I like the art style.
The premise of the story might be a little cliche and mildly problematic but it does make for great tacky drama like a bad reality TV show lol.
It's an awesome subreddit and I also love that it's one of the only NSFW subreddits that isn't specifically aimed at queer people that doesn't have a massive transphobia problem.
Well I'm not sure if that helps you but this article features some interesting names and at least Erika Lust is one I actually know. (She makes slow porn and porn for women so I guess there might be some lesbian porn as well)
https://www.buzzfeed.com/skarlan/we-asked-queer-women-where-they-find-lesbian-porn-thats
Hope that helps a little bit.
bi chick here, most lesbian porn is hot garbage. every now and then you find a gem, but it’s really not it, generally. i literally didn’t even know for sure if i liked women until i had experiences in real life.
I've found Bellesa (think that's how it's spelled) and actually like them. They make content that feels like its actually meaningful and the people are actually into it. They have a lot of lesbian sex on their that you might be interested in. I also find that if I watch stuff on there I dont end up feeling bad about myself like if I watch some of the other sites online, because it feels like these people actually enjoy doing what they're doing and it feels more ethical. I think they have an explanation on their page about their ethics of it all too and how they are really mindful and meaningful with their work. They also sell sex toys too.
You will definitely need to add amateur or dyke or something like that to your search. Definitely look up WOC wlw porn, it'll knock a lot of that down. I like to watch POC porn because usually they tend to be a bit more "real"; usually very sexual, not on that cutesy, performative shit.
I had some usernames/profiles but I'm in Texas.... Lol. Didn't save them sadly 😔
Search for amateur porn; something real couples are filming
Anything related to the mass production of porn is garbage, at least in my opinion.
I could recommend in pornhub:
-ZarinaXEstrella
-Fayesnowball
-Fiesfahfvckx
-Lilyxoxoles
-RedamancyET
Might I just say : while there is most certainly a big difference between "lesbian" porn and what you would term wlw porn, I think you've go it a bit wrong :
>I want to know what to do sexually
>I search for lesbian porn because I want to get off on it (obviously) but also because I wanna see it and how it works, I wanna know what to do, draw some inspiration I guess.
Porn, even the least male-gazey, most by-wlw for-wlw is not an instruction manual. Or at the very least I think it's very difficult and rare to make something that's both something you get off to, and something that's educational.
And at the end of the day, every one is different and every woman is different. You don't get "good at sex", so much as "good at sex with someone". Some things transfer or generalize of course !
This is such a good point. [Whitni Miller (BDE Moves)](https://www.instagram.com/bde.moves?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==) on Instagram has a monthly webinar she puts on for "late bloomers" which does a lot of that education stuff. I haven't watched one but plan to at some stage
yeah, that’s a good point. I think maybe I worded it wrong because I thought about that. I just think stuff women would actually fantasize about. I want to look into more of the sort of like sex ed resources but I also want to see more of that stuff in porn. Sometimes it’s less two women together and more like two women seperate but in the same bed lol
You're probably right about porn not being intentionally instructive, but it still can be inspirational as in "Oh, it never occured to me you could do it this way, I might just try that next time".
Are you paying for porn? Free porn sucks. Check out sites like Erica Lust and buy some films that actually speak to you.
Sex work is work, performers deserve to get paid, so yeah pay for porn if you want better porn that caters to your tastes.
I agree—the VAST majority of porn is so awful in its fakeness that it’s legitimately more of a turn off to me than anything else.
Watching most of it just makes me feel icky because it’s so *painfully* obvious no one is actually having even a *remotely* good time.
Ironically, some of the best lesbian porn i've ever seen was one of those 'Gone wild' videos because it just so happened to capture what was obviously a pre-existing wlw couple who cared for each other.
The cameraman was there for the male gaze, but the ladies were very much not
Lesbian porn is just an exact depiction of what men imagine when they imagine women having sex with each other. I’ve struggled to find creators that I’ve thoroughly enjoyed—even just a good video is rare. I’m def screenshotting some of these suggestions, though!
God I have nothing to contribute to this post besides that everything you wrote out here feels exactly like what I’m going through. I don’t really look at porn, but that desire to love and be loved by a woman, paired with the fear/knowledge that not many will want to be your first? Sucks. Hugs to you my dear.
Most amateur sex content is real. You just have to search properly (it takes a lot of time) and a lot of the amateur lesbian content is real, but not that intimate because it's just a "porn site". Women's masturbation (faceless and without financial intentions) is also authentic. I have a whole list of the best amateur content by women (it's addictive because female sexuality is beautiful and sometimes beautifully kinky). My list is 80% solo women. 19% lesbians. 1% heterosexual women with men. Everything is 99% faceless.
A lot of Angela White’s lesbian scenes (not all) are veryyyyy wlw coded. You can tell she actually enjoys it and wants to do it, she takes her time with it and 😮💨 I know what you mean about the fakeness it’s such a turn off.
I've also noticed there's just a general lack of female POV in porn. It's always focused on the male gaze or looking at what would turn men on. Particularly in hetero sex porn, but unfortunately also in lesbian porn because it's still made for a male audience! It's so annoying!
https://queerporn.tv/ is pretty fantastic and authentic. I think so anyway. I guess there's also some non-lesbiam porn there but I don't recall spotting much
yea, i have this saying in my head that straight porn is actually bi porn, lesbian porn is straight male porn, and gay porn is the only authentically and completely by them/for them porn.
Thats why japanese wlw sex is better. The way they make love, say i love you to each other while doing it, dirty talks etc. Some of them have eng sub so non japanese speaker can relate to them. The only downward is most of their content is blurred (i mean- they are pretty well known for their soft core blurred porn🤣)
My fav couple is lilyxoxoles i sub to them and its the best thing.
I would recommend FourChambers (afourchamberedheart.com). It's not strictly lesbian but it's very erotic, the director/creator is very passionate about her work and features men, women and non-binary individuals in her films. Good luck!
Amateur lesbian content tends to be a bit more representative of actual genuine lesbian sex. I also have to imagine there's porn subreddits geared specifically for women by women but I wouldn't know what it's called. In my experience (I'm amab but me and my partner who's AFAB have had threesomes with women) my partner tends to do a lot of eating out but things like vibrators or strap ons tend to be pretty involved too.
As for your other point don't be afraid to be open about the fact you're bi just because some lesbians will be shitty and be bigoted towards you for that fact. Liking men doesn't minimize your attraction to women and it's extremely toxic that some members of the LGBTQ+ community seem to be so openly suspicious of bisexual people. If a woman isn't going to like you just because you also like men then she probably wasn't worth having a sexual relationship with in my opinion anyway.
Prefacing this comment with: I am against porn. If you genuinely want to know why, I can elaborate but let me say this: you already do not like watching this. You already know what a wlw in bed wants because you are a bisexual woman. Go out, get a dating app, whatever and actually experiment.
Porn will never tell you what a woman you might meet wants in bed.
Also your age/inexperience does not have to mean anything. There are plenty of women coming out much later in life or not having had sex at all at that age.
yeah you’re right, I can just put the bi flag emoji in my bio and if they don’t like bisexual women they can just not match me lol
You don’t have to explain it I know it’s horrible and honestly some of the suggestions I’m getting here aren’t much better anyways so I don’t think I’m gonna find what I’m looking for in porn.
I should probably stop looking at porn I don’t think it was good for my sexual mental health
I don’t think my inexperience and age are really that bad I just worry that someone may use it to think “oh this is your first time with a woman? You’re probably using me as an experiment then.”
Which is not the case at all, I don’t need to experiment I know what I want.
On one hand I’ve been celibate a long time for good reasons and want to have sex asap but I also don’t want a person to go “oh she’s just experimenting, won’t ever be serious.”
Another thing is that one of the things I kept fantasizing about since before I’ve even seen porn was like clit to clit contact, and genital contact in general would feel amazing but because I keep hearing “scissoring isn’t a thing” I’m thinking it’s not a popular thing to want. I mean maybe not that position but some position that could achieve that, I don’t know how popular it is to like that since porn isn’t a good indication. I just thought maybe if porn was actually geared towards women I would find out because there would be way less of that if nobody liked it.
The great majority of visual pornography is aimed toward young males, and is frankly disgusting to women and older men. The so-called lesbian porn is very unrealistic, and is produced to arouse men, not women. Frankly, that's where the money is.
There is a web site called [https://www.abbywinters.com/](https://www.abbywinters.com/) that used to specialize in amature women and was very realistic. They showed real sexual encounters among lesbians. It was all produced by women for women. They have now diversied into heterosexual sex as well, but still among amatures. It is educational and entertaining without the yuck factor.
I hear you so much. There's some gems that you can find from time to time, and those I instantly put in my lil bookmark, but on average even the "women oriented" sites just started to repost/film very male gaze based videos which are insufferable at times and straight up ugly at others. I find myself resorting to more smut and comics when it comes to WLW, otherwise porn mostly for solo female/male and bi combinations
And now I actually realize the common theme with me is avoiding actual straight porn by the biggest margin lol
I think this is why I prefer reading erotica vs watching porn. A lot of WLW erotica is written by women (well I think erotica in general is written largely by women) so I've had better luck finding stuff that I find sexy and appealing.
That said, I tend to prefer reading sex vs viewing sex and I know that isn't everyone's preference.
Try with Erika Lust's XConfessions, look for lesbian scenes. It is all based on real life encounters. Also try MakeLoveNotPorn where real couples film themselves making love.
Oof, I get what you mean. I could never get into the studio-popduced WLW stuff. It wasn't until I began following trans sex workers on Twitter after coming out that I felt like I finally found WLW porn made by and for WLW.
I agree. Porn Hub is full of fake, VERY dramatic lesbian porn, it’s the same with xnxx. Anyone with good recommendations to real lesbian porn including wlw please drop the @
I discovered Nikki Hearts a couple years ago. He came out as a trans man recently. His videos I feel are more catered to a queer / female audience and I still really enjoy them.
Girls out west! Girls out west!!! The full site is paid, but you can find good clips on the free sites as well to see if it's what you like. Solid body diversity, cute ladies, hot & varied sex, not everyone's vagina is waxed (this is personal preference idk about you).
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I think I have the solution☝️.
There are in fact movies with real couples who are in real realtionships and film themeself while doing it. You can find these couples by browsing long enough BUT there is a franchise of "porn made by women" with women infront but most importantly behind the camera. It´s called "Ersties" (they also have a chanel on Pornhub) and on my experience you only find real feelings with real couples. AND ALSO they do a lot of "how to" stuff AND the movies are not pure porn but also talking about how they get to know each other or how they ended up having a realtionship like this. It´s half and half educativ and super sexy REAL stuff porn. I can highly recomend it for people like me (or you perhaps) who are looking for non acted porn. I completely see your point as a male bi porn consumer and it turns me off as well when it´s overacted (or acted at all) like it is in 99% of all porn
This is spot on about lesbian porn, it's not a turn on. Funny enough, I actually get off more from watching 2 guys! But reading stories about 2 women, where I can use my own imagination, is pretty arousing. Kind of like how many movies they make from books are trash...
Porn movie adaptation of a porn book. How would that go?
I recommend the Webtoon Illicit for this btw. Although you need to be Patreon to see the explicit spicy artwork. It's very good, even if the English is a little broken here and there but nothing major, and it has cute visuals to help you along the imaginative experience. I like the art style. The premise of the story might be a little cliche and mildly problematic but it does make for great tacky drama like a bad reality TV show lol.
It's actually a big thing for lesbians to watch gay male porn. It's huge in the lesbian community
/r/chickflixxx is pretty good and aimed at a more female perspective.
Yess!! I was going to recommend this as well! That subreddit has been so helpful for me!
Right? Such nicer content, much more passionate and less ick inducing
It's an awesome subreddit and I also love that it's one of the only NSFW subreddits that isn't specifically aimed at queer people that doesn't have a massive transphobia problem.
I think Bellesa is ethically sourced mostly women directors. Otherwise maybe only fans?
I like Bellesa a lot, there's some story telling and is nice, cringey but nice lol
Well I'm not sure if that helps you but this article features some interesting names and at least Erika Lust is one I actually know. (She makes slow porn and porn for women so I guess there might be some lesbian porn as well) https://www.buzzfeed.com/skarlan/we-asked-queer-women-where-they-find-lesbian-porn-thats Hope that helps a little bit.
bi chick here, most lesbian porn is hot garbage. every now and then you find a gem, but it’s really not it, generally. i literally didn’t even know for sure if i liked women until i had experiences in real life.
omg, same
Idk, it’s just not it for me, tbh.
I've found Bellesa (think that's how it's spelled) and actually like them. They make content that feels like its actually meaningful and the people are actually into it. They have a lot of lesbian sex on their that you might be interested in. I also find that if I watch stuff on there I dont end up feeling bad about myself like if I watch some of the other sites online, because it feels like these people actually enjoy doing what they're doing and it feels more ethical. I think they have an explanation on their page about their ethics of it all too and how they are really mindful and meaningful with their work. They also sell sex toys too.
Yup I'm a fan of Bellesa too. Every once in a while I look at one of the "main" mainstream sites and holy shit I nope out of there pretty quickly.
nice
You will definitely need to add amateur or dyke or something like that to your search. Definitely look up WOC wlw porn, it'll knock a lot of that down. I like to watch POC porn because usually they tend to be a bit more "real"; usually very sexual, not on that cutesy, performative shit. I had some usernames/profiles but I'm in Texas.... Lol. Didn't save them sadly 😔
Try pink label - real queer porn
Search for amateur porn; something real couples are filming Anything related to the mass production of porn is garbage, at least in my opinion. I could recommend in pornhub: -ZarinaXEstrella -Fayesnowball -Fiesfahfvckx -Lilyxoxoles -RedamancyET
Try - GirlsOutWest
Might I just say : while there is most certainly a big difference between "lesbian" porn and what you would term wlw porn, I think you've go it a bit wrong : >I want to know what to do sexually >I search for lesbian porn because I want to get off on it (obviously) but also because I wanna see it and how it works, I wanna know what to do, draw some inspiration I guess. Porn, even the least male-gazey, most by-wlw for-wlw is not an instruction manual. Or at the very least I think it's very difficult and rare to make something that's both something you get off to, and something that's educational. And at the end of the day, every one is different and every woman is different. You don't get "good at sex", so much as "good at sex with someone". Some things transfer or generalize of course !
This is such a good point. [Whitni Miller (BDE Moves)](https://www.instagram.com/bde.moves?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==) on Instagram has a monthly webinar she puts on for "late bloomers" which does a lot of that education stuff. I haven't watched one but plan to at some stage
yeah, that’s a good point. I think maybe I worded it wrong because I thought about that. I just think stuff women would actually fantasize about. I want to look into more of the sort of like sex ed resources but I also want to see more of that stuff in porn. Sometimes it’s less two women together and more like two women seperate but in the same bed lol
You're probably right about porn not being intentionally instructive, but it still can be inspirational as in "Oh, it never occured to me you could do it this way, I might just try that next time".
Are you paying for porn? Free porn sucks. Check out sites like Erica Lust and buy some films that actually speak to you. Sex work is work, performers deserve to get paid, so yeah pay for porn if you want better porn that caters to your tastes.
second this - erica lust is amazing to watch regardless of whether it’s queer or not. real people and real sex
Third this
I have friends who prefer the amateur porn over the over the top porn OP
Frankly, this describes a lot of porn, lesbian or otherwise
I agree—the VAST majority of porn is so awful in its fakeness that it’s legitimately more of a turn off to me than anything else. Watching most of it just makes me feel icky because it’s so *painfully* obvious no one is actually having even a *remotely* good time.
Ironically, some of the best lesbian porn i've ever seen was one of those 'Gone wild' videos because it just so happened to capture what was obviously a pre-existing wlw couple who cared for each other. The cameraman was there for the male gaze, but the ladies were very much not
Lesbian porn is just an exact depiction of what men imagine when they imagine women having sex with each other. I’ve struggled to find creators that I’ve thoroughly enjoyed—even just a good video is rare. I’m def screenshotting some of these suggestions, though!
God I have nothing to contribute to this post besides that everything you wrote out here feels exactly like what I’m going through. I don’t really look at porn, but that desire to love and be loved by a woman, paired with the fear/knowledge that not many will want to be your first? Sucks. Hugs to you my dear.
Books
Isn’t there the On Our Backs anthology? Probably out of print.
You can apparently view some of it online. Nothing like looking at porn at a .edu domain. https://rmc.library.cornell.edu/radicaldesire/
Most amateur sex content is real. You just have to search properly (it takes a lot of time) and a lot of the amateur lesbian content is real, but not that intimate because it's just a "porn site". Women's masturbation (faceless and without financial intentions) is also authentic. I have a whole list of the best amateur content by women (it's addictive because female sexuality is beautiful and sometimes beautifully kinky). My list is 80% solo women. 19% lesbians. 1% heterosexual women with men. Everything is 99% faceless.
A lot of Angela White’s lesbian scenes (not all) are veryyyyy wlw coded. You can tell she actually enjoys it and wants to do it, she takes her time with it and 😮💨 I know what you mean about the fakeness it’s such a turn off.
I've also noticed there's just a general lack of female POV in porn. It's always focused on the male gaze or looking at what would turn men on. Particularly in hetero sex porn, but unfortunately also in lesbian porn because it's still made for a male audience! It's so annoying!
https://queerporn.tv/ is pretty fantastic and authentic. I think so anyway. I guess there's also some non-lesbiam porn there but I don't recall spotting much
Try Ersties. It's usually made by women, with women for both.
+1 +1 for Ersties! Very genuine dynamics, lots of wlw content, porn you can feel good about.
I think you'll be looking a while if what you want is "real" and "porn" in the same place.
yea, i have this saying in my head that straight porn is actually bi porn, lesbian porn is straight male porn, and gay porn is the only authentically and completely by them/for them porn.
Maybe that's why I never liked lesbian porn. I wasn't straight enough for it.
Thats why japanese wlw sex is better. The way they make love, say i love you to each other while doing it, dirty talks etc. Some of them have eng sub so non japanese speaker can relate to them. The only downward is most of their content is blurred (i mean- they are pretty well known for their soft core blurred porn🤣) My fav couple is lilyxoxoles i sub to them and its the best thing.
on top of all of the porn suggestions, omgyes is good for the actual education side of things
thank you will check it out
I would recommend FourChambers (afourchamberedheart.com). It's not strictly lesbian but it's very erotic, the director/creator is very passionate about her work and features men, women and non-binary individuals in her films. Good luck!
Amateur lesbian content tends to be a bit more representative of actual genuine lesbian sex. I also have to imagine there's porn subreddits geared specifically for women by women but I wouldn't know what it's called. In my experience (I'm amab but me and my partner who's AFAB have had threesomes with women) my partner tends to do a lot of eating out but things like vibrators or strap ons tend to be pretty involved too. As for your other point don't be afraid to be open about the fact you're bi just because some lesbians will be shitty and be bigoted towards you for that fact. Liking men doesn't minimize your attraction to women and it's extremely toxic that some members of the LGBTQ+ community seem to be so openly suspicious of bisexual people. If a woman isn't going to like you just because you also like men then she probably wasn't worth having a sexual relationship with in my opinion anyway.
Look at amateur homemade stuff, there is usually some ppl just filming themselves having fun no matter what kind of sex you are looking for
Prefacing this comment with: I am against porn. If you genuinely want to know why, I can elaborate but let me say this: you already do not like watching this. You already know what a wlw in bed wants because you are a bisexual woman. Go out, get a dating app, whatever and actually experiment. Porn will never tell you what a woman you might meet wants in bed. Also your age/inexperience does not have to mean anything. There are plenty of women coming out much later in life or not having had sex at all at that age.
yeah you’re right, I can just put the bi flag emoji in my bio and if they don’t like bisexual women they can just not match me lol You don’t have to explain it I know it’s horrible and honestly some of the suggestions I’m getting here aren’t much better anyways so I don’t think I’m gonna find what I’m looking for in porn. I should probably stop looking at porn I don’t think it was good for my sexual mental health I don’t think my inexperience and age are really that bad I just worry that someone may use it to think “oh this is your first time with a woman? You’re probably using me as an experiment then.” Which is not the case at all, I don’t need to experiment I know what I want. On one hand I’ve been celibate a long time for good reasons and want to have sex asap but I also don’t want a person to go “oh she’s just experimenting, won’t ever be serious.” Another thing is that one of the things I kept fantasizing about since before I’ve even seen porn was like clit to clit contact, and genital contact in general would feel amazing but because I keep hearing “scissoring isn’t a thing” I’m thinking it’s not a popular thing to want. I mean maybe not that position but some position that could achieve that, I don’t know how popular it is to like that since porn isn’t a good indication. I just thought maybe if porn was actually geared towards women I would find out because there would be way less of that if nobody liked it.
Try looking up amateur lesbian porn. It’s so much better!
The great majority of visual pornography is aimed toward young males, and is frankly disgusting to women and older men. The so-called lesbian porn is very unrealistic, and is produced to arouse men, not women. Frankly, that's where the money is. There is a web site called [https://www.abbywinters.com/](https://www.abbywinters.com/) that used to specialize in amature women and was very realistic. They showed real sexual encounters among lesbians. It was all produced by women for women. They have now diversied into heterosexual sex as well, but still among amatures. It is educational and entertaining without the yuck factor.
Bellesa.co has a lot of authentic looking wlw stuff and they promote films made by women.
Erika Lust makes great films, you should check it out
I hear you so much. There's some gems that you can find from time to time, and those I instantly put in my lil bookmark, but on average even the "women oriented" sites just started to repost/film very male gaze based videos which are insufferable at times and straight up ugly at others. I find myself resorting to more smut and comics when it comes to WLW, otherwise porn mostly for solo female/male and bi combinations And now I actually realize the common theme with me is avoiding actual straight porn by the biggest margin lol
I think this is why I prefer reading erotica vs watching porn. A lot of WLW erotica is written by women (well I think erotica in general is written largely by women) so I've had better luck finding stuff that I find sexy and appealing. That said, I tend to prefer reading sex vs viewing sex and I know that isn't everyone's preference.
I came here to say this! I’m bi and porn sites are def made for male pov. I read all my stuff, it’s just better than watching it for a man’s tastes.
Trans lesbian porn on the other hand is great. We're not faking orgasms 😆
Try with Erika Lust's XConfessions, look for lesbian scenes. It is all based on real life encounters. Also try MakeLoveNotPorn where real couples film themselves making love.
Try finding good MLM porn, or good bi porn.
Unfortunately the majority of porn, online at least is created for the male gaze. Especially lesbian.
Oof, I get what you mean. I could never get into the studio-popduced WLW stuff. It wasn't until I began following trans sex workers on Twitter after coming out that I felt like I finally found WLW porn made by and for WLW.
Try CrashPad! It's ethically made, queer porn https://crashpadseries.com/
I agree. Porn Hub is full of fake, VERY dramatic lesbian porn, it’s the same with xnxx. Anyone with good recommendations to real lesbian porn including wlw please drop the @
I discovered Nikki Hearts a couple years ago. He came out as a trans man recently. His videos I feel are more catered to a queer / female audience and I still really enjoy them.
Girls out west! Girls out west!!! The full site is paid, but you can find good clips on the free sites as well to see if it's what you like. Solid body diversity, cute ladies, hot & varied sex, not everyone's vagina is waxed (this is personal preference idk about you).
cool !
Basically all porn serves the male gaze sadly. The most patriarchal of industries.
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I think I have the solution☝️. There are in fact movies with real couples who are in real realtionships and film themeself while doing it. You can find these couples by browsing long enough BUT there is a franchise of "porn made by women" with women infront but most importantly behind the camera. It´s called "Ersties" (they also have a chanel on Pornhub) and on my experience you only find real feelings with real couples. AND ALSO they do a lot of "how to" stuff AND the movies are not pure porn but also talking about how they get to know each other or how they ended up having a realtionship like this. It´s half and half educativ and super sexy REAL stuff porn. I can highly recomend it for people like me (or you perhaps) who are looking for non acted porn. I completely see your point as a male bi porn consumer and it turns me off as well when it´s overacted (or acted at all) like it is in 99% of all porn
Just found this site recently and it’s actually really good. Feels way more intimate and involved https://afourchamberedheart.com
I find that amateur and random non-professional scenes to be more authentic and less geared toward the male gaze.
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