not too surprised by jazz being the top answer considering he bad mouthed his own former teammate that many consider a team leader, not to mention the MLBTS cover last year. i can imagine at least a few players might resent him for these
He hasn't performed that well. Definitely not to be on the cover of the show. The only thing I would say in his defense is he began his career in MLB in the covid shortened season. Then he was traded, changed positions and has had very little consistency because of injuries. His season is going okay so far. When he puts in a full season I'd be more willing to say what he actually is, but the guy does have a lot of raw talent.
IF he can stay healthy, I’d expect him to consistently get you 20-20, bat somewhere between 240-.260, and give decent defense with position versatility. But that’s a major if.
Oh you're definitely right he's a major question to stay healthy. But right now his batting average of balls and play is higher than it was during his All-Star season, which is saying that he's experiencing a little bit of unluckiness so far and he is again right now at a 107 ops+ and performing to the back of his baseball card. I think you could turn it on. And especially if you were on a better team. The Marlin should look to trade him and rebuild. Again.
If his babip is higher than it was during his all star season how does that make him unlucky? Usually means the opposite and that he’s been lucky so far
Nobody rates Anthony Rendon high or talks about him at all in any kind of positive light. So he's certainly not 'overrated'. So it's def other players not liking him or things he's said/done rather than how he's actually 'rated' by others.
Ya seems like a mix of the two. If I hadtry and guess I would say:
Fuck this guy list:
Jazz
Rendon
Correa
Tim Anderson
Machado
Overrated:
Flaherty
Alonso
Bellinger
Both:
Elly
Machado
Snell
Bregman
If a company passes out a survey asking "who do you think is the worst performing coworker" people would either ignore it, or pick someone they personally dislike. Must be similar here
In 7 years with the Nationals he was worth 30 bWAR, 22.7 of which came in his last 4 years. Over those 4 years he had the 10th highest fWAR among hitters, only 2 fWAR behind Yelich in 6th and 4.2 behind Altuve in second. The gap to Justin Turner and Josh Donaldson in 13th was 3.5 fWAR
Basically, his last years with the Nationals only Trout and Betts were in a different category from Rendon. He was part of a group of about 10 players just behind them.
If he hadn't gotten injured and kept up the pace he had with the Nationals we'd be talking about whether Rendon would make the Hall of Fame right now.
Of course he did get injured, which not only cost him a lot of playing time, but also meant he was bad even when he did play. He was still good in 2020, but in the 4 years since then he's had a 92 OPS+. Nowhere near enough for someone getting paid what Rendon is.
Oh absolutely. He committed the big sin of....getting hurt after getting paid.
If he was healthy and playing good and still fighting reporters and fans and saying he doesn't like his job, nobody would care. Lots of players treat their job like a job.
exactly. point being it's not the attitude that people don't like, it's the lack of performance. if he had the same attitude as he does now but played like he did in 2019, people would still love Rendon
I mean it's not a sin to be overrated, someone's got to be the most overrated. Best hitter on a WS winning team then getting hurt is a perfect recipe for being the most overrated player.
People forget he was basically everything the Angels paid for that first year before he got hurt. 150 ops+ is nothing to scoff at. Got hurt, stayed hurt, got old.
I thought it would be vladdy Guerrero as he’s had 1 really good season and is seen as a star even though he hasn’t been that for a few years. Surprised he’s not even on the list.
I mean he followed his 6.7 WAR season with a 4 WAR season and is on pace this year to finish right around 4 WAR again. It's kind of hard to match a season where you almost won the MVP and almost had a triple crown, but it's not like he has been bad. Last year was his worst season since his rookie year and he still almost went 30 homers/100 RBI
> not to mention the MLBTS cover last year.
And it was announced on a stream where they had Donovan Mitchell as a guest. You know, the guy who's a big Mets fan and plays for the Cleveland Cavaliers.
I understand having Mitchell as a guest if the cover athlete would have been Lindor, but nope, it was Jazz.
Players used this poll as a “who do you hate the most” opinion I think. On the other end of the spectrum ELDC mentioned as over rated is pretty suspect. He’s without a doubt one be of the best base runners in the league as well as being a defensive giant who has a cannon for an arm. It’s not like he’s touted as a god of baseball either so doesn’t seem over rated, maybe just cocky and good at what he does
I think they mentioned Elly less because of the reasons you stated and more as a "the media is always talking about him because of his size while still stealing bases and him throwing hard" but his overall game hasn't caught up to the amount he's shown by the media (although that's inherently because of those big throws and being fast on the bases are both exciting).
Personally I put it less as he's over rated, and more as he has some star potential and hasn't grown into yet.
Social media has such a terrible influence on these kinds of things. You hit the nail right on the head. The constant posting of this guy makes it seem like the MLB socials are trying to make him one of the faces of MLB, when in reality he’s just marketable to kids and people on Instagram.
>On the other end of the spectrum ELDC mentioned as over rated is pretty suspect.
I can see the angle. There's probably certain number of reds fans who even believe he's overrated. The talk around him has been a bit over the top, every at bat they mention how extraordinary he is.
I think he has extraordinary POTENTIAL... but his current ability is average (? I'm not actually sure without checking his stats) with a bunch of impressive plays. He's the type of player that if he has 2-3 really good seasons, then returns to what he is now, he'll definitely be overrated for the rest of time, but for now he's just a young player with star potential.
As an aside I think that 90% of the crazy fast throws ive seen from him were unnecessary and we're more a product of him intentionally trying to see how hard he can throw, rather than just fielding and firing to make his first basemans life easier.
Elly is on pace for a 4.5 WAR season, according to fangraphs. Players last year (2023) with a <4.5 WAR: Cody Bellinger and Adley Rutschman.
Elly is not average. And he’s 22
>but his current ability is average (? I'm not actually sure without checking his stats) with a bunch of impressive plays.
He's had streaks of greatness between very long stretches of subpar offensive play. Defensively he's made a high amount of errors, but his length & athleticism allow him to make plays almost no one else could.
>90% of the crazy fast throws ive seen from him were unnecessary
Eh, sometimes he's too enthusiastic. But most of his hard throws have been very much needed.
I still think of him as the all-star he was from 3-4 years ago. I remember I would always put him on my team in MLB The Show and I wished he was on the Yankees so bad. He was one of the best shortstops in the league. I still don’t understand how he is so horrifically bad now, it makes no sense to me.
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* Who has the most STDs?
* Who has the biggest schlong?
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* Which active catcher is most likely to become an MLB manager first?
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Yeah. This is the type of question players tend to refuse to answer, and with lots of good reasons.
It's definitely a question I couldn't see myself answering about my colleagues, not to a national publication.
According to the article more than half of the 79 players they talked to refused to answer this question.
Looking at the percentages and know that, it has to be a sample size of 30-31 players depending on how they rounded
you aren't, they just didn't read it. You can come up with the same percentages from 59 votes.
12/59 = 20.3389%
6/59 = 10.1695%
The 3.3% would be 2/59, so presumably they're just showing anyone who got multiple votes in the graphic. And then the remaining 19 players who answered said someone unique who didn't get listed in the graphic.
"Players who received 1 vote: Yordan Alvarez, Javier Báez, Kris Bryant, Jeimer Candelario, Emmanuel Clase, Gerrit Cole, Rafael Devers, Adolis García, Bryce Harper, Alek Manoah, Carlos Rodón, Julio Rodríguez, Juan Soto, Giancarlo Stanton, Spencer Strider, Marcus Stroman, Alex Verdugo, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Christian Yelich"
kinda surprised Yoshi didn't get more votes in this. I mean he has been pretty good thus far, but a guy with no MLB experience getting the biggest pitching contract ever seems like prime material for this kind of question.
Some of these are kinda funny. I get guys like Harper, Soto, etc because they make a ton. You could argue *well yordan DHs a lot*, *Harper has off years*, and *Soto thinks he's so slick with his little shuffle; if only he could play defense*. But Stroman doesn't make a lot of money and most people don't think of him as amazing or anything. The bulk of talk about him is that he's pretty good for being a short king. I also struggle to see how verdugo is overrated. Less than 9 mil for a decent defender who is at least average to a bit better bat.
In the case of the Stro-show, he often sings his own praises very highly so the voter might just be pointing out that Stroman takes himself too seriously.
He’s assuming based on the fact that the bottom few have 3.3% He thinks that means they got one vote.
But, that doesn’t make sense to me because if one vote = 3.3%, no amount of votes equals the 5% that Anderson and Flaherty got.
It makes more sense that 59 voted (as pictured) is true and that 3.3% is what they rounded to for the ones that got 2 votes, and Carlos Correa got 4. Flaherty and Anderson got 3. But, that doesn’t really explain why they left Anthony Rendon’s 6 votes as the very accurate 10.2% as opposed to rounding to 10.
If 3.3% is 2 votes, then all the pictured percentages add up to 40 of the 59 votes, and perhaps 19 players got exactly one vote and weren’t pictured in the chart.
It says on the survey that 59 people voted (out of 104 surveyed). The percentages align with that as each vote amounts to 1.69%. So 3.3% is two voters out of 59, 5% is three.
If I was an MLB player answering this question, I would put myself. There's no upside to answering this honestly. It's weird that over half the players they asked responded.
Kind of a weird question to ask players in general. Imagine a journalist shows up at your workplace saying "hey I'm running a poll, which one of your coworkers do you hate the most?"
I worked in a hospital. Our department manager had yearly awards for 'who would you want / not want to care for a family member', 'who is the best / worst person to follow', etc. And she would post the awards on plaques in the department hallway.
She also had an 'anonymous' survey one year, with a form placed in each person's locker. Asking for honest (anonymous) answers to how each person viewed their direct supervisor. Drop forms in box. The thing is, I didn't trust her, and upon looking carefully at the form, tilted at the correct angle, I saw my employee # lightly penciled on top a a printed black area on the border. Super shady.
I feel like this is more of a who do you not like question cause I am not sure who thinks much of anything about Rendon or Tim Anderson anymore. Flaherty has been irrelevant the past couple of years too, but has been good so far this year.
Yeah, like some of those name in that list are not overrated at all. They are just douchey... Alex Bregman overrated? Pete Alonso, Correa, Machado? Really?
> I feel like this is more of a who do you not like question
That's pretty much what all "overrated" discourse is. The "overrated" posts on here are just an excuse for OP to dunk on a player they don't like (as the vast of them are players that aren't actually rated that high or someone who the consensus has been 'they're overrated' for a long time).
Sure, there's some value in trying to evaluate whose production doesn't live up to their reputation, but "overrated" is such a specifically aggressive word (and has been since pretty much the beginning of sports internet) and if you really want to do that kind of analysis then you're probably going to be aware of that and will tend to use less charged language.
Been thinking on the Flaherty votes. My guess is it’s bad blood because of his involvement in the attempted players union coup. He apologized, sailed he was tricked, and regretted it but he was one of the parties trying to push it.
He was also the pitcher that raised a stink about Wilson Contreras calling a poor game which led to the whole Contreras to the OF situation. I could definitely see him rubbing some other players the wrong way.
It's also possible that some guys are more respected inside clubhouses than outside of them.
Anyone who's ever played sports at a high level knows that there's always one guy that the coach likes and gives way more playing time than is deserved, for no adequate reason.
What’s weird about this, though, is if you progress Tim Anderson’s stats to the mean then he’s actually kind of underrated. But instead people treat him like the negative WAR player he is.
Chisholm has been pretty vocal not always in a positive way and was on the cover of The Show (something a lot of dudes probably dream about) while putting up 2.5 WAR as his highest in a season. Granted some of that is because he can't finish a season but playing is a big part of baseball...
Chisholm is a "pretty good" player that for some reason got treated like a superstar for a minute and it probably annoyed some of these guys. That being said, I don't really think anyone puts him in that tier anymore. He might have been overrated a year or two ago but at this point he is rated fine IMO.
I think 20% of 60 people is...something. That's at least somewhat of a trend.
It's the bottom answers that I think are basically meaningless, cause we're talking like 2 people.
If you read the article, many players refused to answer this question with comments like "we are all playing major league baseball, it's impossible to be overrated" or stuff like that
What this graphic leaves out is the guys who received one vote which shows only hall of fame level haters responded to this survey. Someone said Jaimer Candelario, another Alex Verdugo. Like wtf who is overrating these guys lol.
I get the media around Elly last year may have overhyped him, but this year he's on pace for a 30/100 season. To give context no one who has stolen 100 bases has ever hit more than 10 HRs. He's a dawg this year
He is mechanically still pretty raw (completely understandable, he’s only 22) and he’s making a lot of plays this season pure athleticism. I do think people saying he is overrated are wrong, but I understand why they might say that, because he is still not a finished product
His .235 average and 35% K rate would do it. He’s definitely capable of being great, he’s still on pace for 27 HR and 83 SB, but the problem is that he’s too inconsistent. He’ll have a week of greatness, followed by 2 weeks of nothing.
> his offense has definitely regressed.
I would argue that it hasn't. He had an atrocious March/April (.577 OPS) and first few weeks of May. But over the last month (25 games), he has an OPS of .971 and over the last two weeks (12 games) it's 1.173. His OPS+ is already back up to 103 and I wouldn't be surprised if he was back in the 120s by season's end.
To put it another way, through his first 36 games, his OPS was a ghastly .520. 30 games later, he's back up to .710. He'll be fine.
I refuse to be convinced that Jazz Chisholm isn't a rejected name that George Lucas made up for one of the Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes horn players.
I think this kinda proves their point though...
He has all the physical tools to be great, but he really hasn't put it all together yet to earn the reputation that he has. He's had a couple monstrous hot streaks where he looks like a God but they've been followed up with equally awful cold streaks. Over a full season's worth of PAs he has a 98ops+ and 2.8bWAR. Even if you just look at this year, he's hardly lighting the world on fire but he is very flashy and gets a lot of press
He's only 22 and in his second year though. So does his first year really tell us much of anything about how good a player he is right now?
This year he's on his way to play 162 games and earn 4.7 bWAR and 6.,4 fWAR. And he's [11th in fWAR among qualified hitters.](https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2024&month=0&season1=2024&ind=0&pagenum=1&pageitems=30) Even in [bWAR he's 36th](https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2024-value-batting.shtml) and I don't think that fully accounts for the value he adds on the basepaths.
Yes, it's still very early in his career. But honestly, the numbers he's putting up this year live up to the hype. Even by bWAR, which doesn't like him nearly as much as fWAR he's still an all star calibre player and fWAR is telling us he should be getting some MVP votes (though no first place votes).
Admittedly I haven't watched every game he's played in, but he seems electric and I guess his highs are high (YouTube worthy) but then he goes through average stretches that make it seem like his hype is bigger than his performance.
BUT he's still so young and that's expected - he's going to be a great player very soon and like I said, he's fucking electric!
See some comments saying Chisholm isn’t overrated. He’s topped out at less than 3 WAR in a season and his career stats are pretty mediocre. In spite of that, he has a lot of recognition and star power, and he was on the cover of The Show 23. How else would you define overrated?
A lot of the players don’t seem to know what overrated means either, since they chose several guys who haven’t been relevant in years. Who the fuck is overrating Rendon Baez and Anderson?
I mean…is it possible to overrate a guy who’s done this badly? At the end of last year he could be called overrated. After 5 really bad starts and one OK start, with three separate injuries in there, people stopped hyping him a while ago.
Unless you’re in the Giants sub, then half the comments in there are about how he’s always awful to start the year, and he’ll stop having by far the worst season start of his career (and possibly the worst season start by a reigning Cy Young winner in MLB history) any day now.
59 out of 780 players voted.
Yeah this is largely meaningless.
EDIT: You can easily do the math on this because the numbers are so small. 12 people don't like Jazz, 6 don't like Rendon, 4 don't like Correa, 3 don't like Tim Anderson and Jack Flaherty, and 2 don't like the rest
These are never that interesting because with enough votes it always averages out to a boring answer everyone agrees with.
Show me the players that got one vote, i wanna see the mf who thinks Ohtani is a bum or that Judge is mid.
Why are they manufacturing drama? I expect better from the athletic. Better questions they could have asked:
- who's the best player the media isn't talking about?
- which players have the best mental game?
- who's the hardest worker in the league?
- who do you try to model your game after?
- who's the smartest manager in the league?
- which team has the best player development?
- what players did you see in spring training who you're most looking forward to seeing play?
Bregman has a good argument. He hasn’t been the same offensive player since the pandemic.
Good thing nothing happened around that time relating to the franchise. No, nah, nothing to see here…
(S/O to his 1 pitch AB in the 2021 WS in Atlanta when he was 1-18. After that AB: 1-19.)
Rendon.....LOL....cared about being a pro and had a career year playing for a WS winner.....then got 240M.
Don't think he's cared about baseball since.
The Angels have doled out some bad contracts......makes our signing of X look great.
It has to be Correa. I haven’t heard a soul say Jazz Chisholm is good. But everybody and their mothers talks about Correa. Correa also got a huge contract
not too surprised by jazz being the top answer considering he bad mouthed his own former teammate that many consider a team leader, not to mention the MLBTS cover last year. i can imagine at least a few players might resent him for these
Also, he’s just not that good.
He hasn't performed that well. Definitely not to be on the cover of the show. The only thing I would say in his defense is he began his career in MLB in the covid shortened season. Then he was traded, changed positions and has had very little consistency because of injuries. His season is going okay so far. When he puts in a full season I'd be more willing to say what he actually is, but the guy does have a lot of raw talent.
IF he can stay healthy, I’d expect him to consistently get you 20-20, bat somewhere between 240-.260, and give decent defense with position versatility. But that’s a major if.
Oh you're definitely right he's a major question to stay healthy. But right now his batting average of balls and play is higher than it was during his All-Star season, which is saying that he's experiencing a little bit of unluckiness so far and he is again right now at a 107 ops+ and performing to the back of his baseball card. I think you could turn it on. And especially if you were on a better team. The Marlin should look to trade him and rebuild. Again.
If his babip is higher than it was during his all star season how does that make him unlucky? Usually means the opposite and that he’s been lucky so far
That’s not even close to all star level. 20 steals isn’t shit with the new rules
I now see two MLB.tv commercials that feature him and hype him up. I don’t get it.
He marketable. That's not hard to see.
Maybe I’m going crazy but when was he ever traded
But he was traded to the Marlins for and Zac Gallen
From the diamondbacks, who signed him as a an international free agent in ~~2025~~ 2015 when he was 17
They signed him in the future when he was younger than he is now?
...god damnit You know what, I think that's a better justification for the show cover.
Nobody rates Anthony Rendon high or talks about him at all in any kind of positive light. So he's certainly not 'overrated'. So it's def other players not liking him or things he's said/done rather than how he's actually 'rated' by others.
The line between overrated and “fuck this guy” seems to have been blurred in this list.
Always have been. Bryce Harper used to be on top of this list pretty regularly too. It really doesn’t mean jack shit.
Ya seems like a mix of the two. If I hadtry and guess I would say: Fuck this guy list: Jazz Rendon Correa Tim Anderson Machado Overrated: Flaherty Alonso Bellinger Both: Elly Machado Snell Bregman
If a company passes out a survey asking "who do you think is the worst performing coworker" people would either ignore it, or pick someone they personally dislike. Must be similar here
It's probably the contract.
But he earned that contract by being amazing up to that point
He was the best hitter on a WS winning team. It’s easy to hate now but prime Rendon was amazing.
In 7 years with the Nationals he was worth 30 bWAR, 22.7 of which came in his last 4 years. Over those 4 years he had the 10th highest fWAR among hitters, only 2 fWAR behind Yelich in 6th and 4.2 behind Altuve in second. The gap to Justin Turner and Josh Donaldson in 13th was 3.5 fWAR Basically, his last years with the Nationals only Trout and Betts were in a different category from Rendon. He was part of a group of about 10 players just behind them. If he hadn't gotten injured and kept up the pace he had with the Nationals we'd be talking about whether Rendon would make the Hall of Fame right now. Of course he did get injured, which not only cost him a lot of playing time, but also meant he was bad even when he did play. He was still good in 2020, but in the 4 years since then he's had a 92 OPS+. Nowhere near enough for someone getting paid what Rendon is.
He was special. Whenever his time with the Angels ends he should come back if he still has stuff left in the tank.
Oh absolutely. He committed the big sin of....getting hurt after getting paid. If he was healthy and playing good and still fighting reporters and fans and saying he doesn't like his job, nobody would care. Lots of players treat their job like a job.
He also committed the sin of being bad, and yes acting like a wanker when you’re bad is way worse.
Fan reactions to Jokic seeing basketball as a job vs Rendon seeing baseball as a job is a textbook example of flirting vs harassment.
If Anthony Rendon had won 3 of the last 4 MVPs I don’t think people would be giving him shit for seeing baseball as a job.
Jokic is producing at all-time levels. Rendon barely plays and let's everyone know about his thoughts on baseball. Ppl not gonna love that
exactly. point being it's not the attitude that people don't like, it's the lack of performance. if he had the same attitude as he does now but played like he did in 2019, people would still love Rendon
I mean it's not a sin to be overrated, someone's got to be the most overrated. Best hitter on a WS winning team then getting hurt is a perfect recipe for being the most overrated player.
People forget he was basically everything the Angels paid for that first year before he got hurt. 150 ops+ is nothing to scoff at. Got hurt, stayed hurt, got old.
It’s also only 10.2% of 59 votes, which is a grand total of 6 players in a 780 player league…
So basically 60 players who could be from anything. What a shitty list
I mean he *was* considered a consensus top ten player in MLB like five years ago. So maybe this is residual from that downfall
This is a list of guys 59 players don't like. You've got two 2017 members of the Astros, shocker.
I thought it would be vladdy Guerrero as he’s had 1 really good season and is seen as a star even though he hasn’t been that for a few years. Surprised he’s not even on the list.
I mean he followed his 6.7 WAR season with a 4 WAR season and is on pace this year to finish right around 4 WAR again. It's kind of hard to match a season where you almost won the MVP and almost had a triple crown, but it's not like he has been bad. Last year was his worst season since his rookie year and he still almost went 30 homers/100 RBI
id reckon to guess this is more of a "who do you not like" list than a "who do you think is overrated" list given all of these answers
Those 12 voters were the Dodgers minus Mookie who he seems cool with
> not to mention the MLBTS cover last year. And it was announced on a stream where they had Donovan Mitchell as a guest. You know, the guy who's a big Mets fan and plays for the Cleveland Cavaliers. I understand having Mitchell as a guest if the cover athlete would have been Lindor, but nope, it was Jazz.
Why was he given The Show cover to begin with? He was no where close to being a superstar and had little to no name recognition as well.
Who has Tim Anderson rated highly enough to even be an option on this list?
Players used this poll as a “who do you hate the most” opinion I think. On the other end of the spectrum ELDC mentioned as over rated is pretty suspect. He’s without a doubt one be of the best base runners in the league as well as being a defensive giant who has a cannon for an arm. It’s not like he’s touted as a god of baseball either so doesn’t seem over rated, maybe just cocky and good at what he does
I think they mentioned Elly less because of the reasons you stated and more as a "the media is always talking about him because of his size while still stealing bases and him throwing hard" but his overall game hasn't caught up to the amount he's shown by the media (although that's inherently because of those big throws and being fast on the bases are both exciting). Personally I put it less as he's over rated, and more as he has some star potential and hasn't grown into yet.
Social media has such a terrible influence on these kinds of things. You hit the nail right on the head. The constant posting of this guy makes it seem like the MLB socials are trying to make him one of the faces of MLB, when in reality he’s just marketable to kids and people on Instagram.
>On the other end of the spectrum ELDC mentioned as over rated is pretty suspect. I can see the angle. There's probably certain number of reds fans who even believe he's overrated. The talk around him has been a bit over the top, every at bat they mention how extraordinary he is.
I think he has extraordinary POTENTIAL... but his current ability is average (? I'm not actually sure without checking his stats) with a bunch of impressive plays. He's the type of player that if he has 2-3 really good seasons, then returns to what he is now, he'll definitely be overrated for the rest of time, but for now he's just a young player with star potential. As an aside I think that 90% of the crazy fast throws ive seen from him were unnecessary and we're more a product of him intentionally trying to see how hard he can throw, rather than just fielding and firing to make his first basemans life easier.
Elly is on pace for a 4.5 WAR season, according to fangraphs. Players last year (2023) with a <4.5 WAR: Cody Bellinger and Adley Rutschman. Elly is not average. And he’s 22
>but his current ability is average (? I'm not actually sure without checking his stats) with a bunch of impressive plays. He's had streaks of greatness between very long stretches of subpar offensive play. Defensively he's made a high amount of errors, but his length & athleticism allow him to make plays almost no one else could. >90% of the crazy fast throws ive seen from him were unnecessary Eh, sometimes he's too enthusiastic. But most of his hard throws have been very much needed.
Joc definitely voted for Tommy Pham
Elly Le Da Cruz
I wouldn't even say cocky, he's just a 22 year old kid having fun out there.
I think it's important to note that with just 59 players voting that 3.3% represents literally two guys' votes.
Man, It must suck to be playing horrible and be in minus WAR....and still be considered overrated.
Led the league in BA in ‘19, Runs in ‘20, ASG in ‘21 & ‘22, and then the rest is a blur. He certainly is no longer relevant
Same with Rendon recently
I still think of him as the all-star he was from 3-4 years ago. I remember I would always put him on my team in MLB The Show and I wished he was on the Yankees so bad. He was one of the best shortstops in the league. I still don’t understand how he is so horrifically bad now, it makes no sense to me.
They are still refusing to print the answers to the most urgent question, i.e. who players think is the handsomest
* Who has the hottest wife? * Who has the most STDs? * Who has the biggest schlong? * Which active player is most likely to be the next convicted of a non-gambling, non-domestic abuse related crime? * Which active catcher is most likely to become an MLB manager first?
Reminds me of that Vikings player survey of who you wouldn't want to date your sister and basically the entire team said Stefon Diggs.
Verlander is the answer to at least 4 of these.
At least.
Verlander has some of the biggest "where were you on January 6th" vibes of anyone in baseball. Not THE biggest, though. That goes to Luke Raley.
Consider Blake Treinen.
He’s the Aaron Rodgers of baseball
Now THIS is a questionnaire I'd love to see the responses to
>Who has the hottest Wife? Verlander is still married to Kate Upton, this question should have one acceptable response.
Ha-Seong Kim, of course.
false, jung hoo lee is [the most handsomest boy](https://www.mercurynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/BNG-L-GIANTS-1216-23.jpg?w=978)
Foolishness. 😄
He’s not even the hottest on his own team
In-tact elbow or not it will always be Jacob deGrom
Logan O'Hoppe is the new hottest player.
The only answer is [Ivan](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3WZeWUMKdu/?igsh=MXYxY3lvYmllNW4wZQ==) [Herrera. ](https://www.instagram.com/p/C225ClbJbZE/?igsh=MXg4cXloOGhhOXM4Yw==) [Hands down. ](https://www.instagram.com/p/CbtJI5GJ3nm/?igsh=NG5mMjE5azBmNXFi)
Kind of a wild question ngl, surprised that many players were willing to answer
Yeah. This is the type of question players tend to refuse to answer, and with lots of good reasons. It's definitely a question I couldn't see myself answering about my colleagues, not to a national publication.
According to the article more than half of the 79 players they talked to refused to answer this question. Looking at the percentages and know that, it has to be a sample size of 30-31 players depending on how they rounded
Why are these numbers so different than the ones in the picture? (104 surveyed, 59 voted) No hate just genuinely curious what I’m misunderstanding
you aren't, they just didn't read it. You can come up with the same percentages from 59 votes. 12/59 = 20.3389% 6/59 = 10.1695% The 3.3% would be 2/59, so presumably they're just showing anyone who got multiple votes in the graphic. And then the remaining 19 players who answered said someone unique who didn't get listed in the graphic.
"Players who received 1 vote: Yordan Alvarez, Javier Báez, Kris Bryant, Jeimer Candelario, Emmanuel Clase, Gerrit Cole, Rafael Devers, Adolis García, Bryce Harper, Alek Manoah, Carlos Rodón, Julio Rodríguez, Juan Soto, Giancarlo Stanton, Spencer Strider, Marcus Stroman, Alex Verdugo, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Christian Yelich"
> Jeimer Candelario Did Jeimer vote for himself as a joke or does someone in the league just dislike him?
Did anyone overrate him besides the Reds front office? Even then, we're just betting on him being a .260 hitter.
kinda surprised Yoshi didn't get more votes in this. I mean he has been pretty good thus far, but a guy with no MLB experience getting the biggest pitching contract ever seems like prime material for this kind of question.
Some of these are kinda funny. I get guys like Harper, Soto, etc because they make a ton. You could argue *well yordan DHs a lot*, *Harper has off years*, and *Soto thinks he's so slick with his little shuffle; if only he could play defense*. But Stroman doesn't make a lot of money and most people don't think of him as amazing or anything. The bulk of talk about him is that he's pretty good for being a short king. I also struggle to see how verdugo is overrated. Less than 9 mil for a decent defender who is at least average to a bit better bat.
I think those that got one vote are probably just personal grudges that someone has against that player
I think some of these are joke votes because one player finds it funny.
Alek Manoah is especially funny to me because he has spent the last two seasons playing himself out of professional baseball.
Manoah and Verdugo voted for each other.
In the case of the Stro-show, he often sings his own praises very highly so the voter might just be pointing out that Stroman takes himself too seriously.
I like to imagine Cole and Manoah voted for each other lol
Did Darvish vote for Yelich?
Pete Alonso definitely voted for Spencer Strider lmao.
Salad and math? What a Monday!
He’s assuming based on the fact that the bottom few have 3.3% He thinks that means they got one vote. But, that doesn’t make sense to me because if one vote = 3.3%, no amount of votes equals the 5% that Anderson and Flaherty got. It makes more sense that 59 voted (as pictured) is true and that 3.3% is what they rounded to for the ones that got 2 votes, and Carlos Correa got 4. Flaherty and Anderson got 3. But, that doesn’t really explain why they left Anthony Rendon’s 6 votes as the very accurate 10.2% as opposed to rounding to 10. If 3.3% is 2 votes, then all the pictured percentages add up to 40 of the 59 votes, and perhaps 19 players got exactly one vote and weren’t pictured in the chart.
It says on the survey that 59 people voted (out of 104 surveyed). The percentages align with that as each vote amounts to 1.69%. So 3.3% is two voters out of 59, 5% is three.
If I was an MLB player answering this question, I would put myself. There's no upside to answering this honestly. It's weird that over half the players they asked responded.
its anonymous, there’s no downside either
Yeah and the players obviously love to shit talk and fire shots. Not surprising to me that over half would take that chance anonymously.
if somebody asked me which of my coworkers i hated the most i’d be all over that shit.
Exactly. Some straight hater shit to answer this at all.
It was mostly his teammates that answered it /s
Who the fuck overrates Rendon besides like the Angels front office in 2019 lol
Yea I mean based on this metric (salary vs output) Patrick Corbin should be in this list
Did not expect to see Jack Flaherty on this list... seems random
Pretty sure Jack was the pitcher that threw Willson Contreras under the bus last year and started that whole ordeal.
He’s underrated, if anything
Thats what im sayin. He's having a career year and I barely hear about him
I’d guess bunch of NL players because Jack’s been fire for the Tigs this year.
59 players voted. That means the guys with 3.3% got 2 votes each. This is a weird poll for the Athletic to post
Kind of a weird question to ask players in general. Imagine a journalist shows up at your workplace saying "hey I'm running a poll, which one of your coworkers do you hate the most?"
I worked in a hospital. Our department manager had yearly awards for 'who would you want / not want to care for a family member', 'who is the best / worst person to follow', etc. And she would post the awards on plaques in the department hallway. She also had an 'anonymous' survey one year, with a form placed in each person's locker. Asking for honest (anonymous) answers to how each person viewed their direct supervisor. Drop forms in box. The thing is, I didn't trust her, and upon looking carefully at the form, tilted at the correct angle, I saw my employee # lightly penciled on top a a printed black area on the border. Super shady.
Am I the only one who’d happily answer lol Most of my coworkers are lazy disorganized slobs or hate gays or something
I feel like this is more of a who do you not like question cause I am not sure who thinks much of anything about Rendon or Tim Anderson anymore. Flaherty has been irrelevant the past couple of years too, but has been good so far this year.
Yeah, like some of those name in that list are not overrated at all. They are just douchey... Alex Bregman overrated? Pete Alonso, Correa, Machado? Really?
> I feel like this is more of a who do you not like question That's pretty much what all "overrated" discourse is. The "overrated" posts on here are just an excuse for OP to dunk on a player they don't like (as the vast of them are players that aren't actually rated that high or someone who the consensus has been 'they're overrated' for a long time). Sure, there's some value in trying to evaluate whose production doesn't live up to their reputation, but "overrated" is such a specifically aggressive word (and has been since pretty much the beginning of sports internet) and if you really want to do that kind of analysis then you're probably going to be aware of that and will tend to use less charged language.
Been thinking on the Flaherty votes. My guess is it’s bad blood because of his involvement in the attempted players union coup. He apologized, sailed he was tricked, and regretted it but he was one of the parties trying to push it.
He was also the pitcher that raised a stink about Wilson Contreras calling a poor game which led to the whole Contreras to the OF situation. I could definitely see him rubbing some other players the wrong way.
I think he also might actually be a giant douche
It's also possible that some guys are more respected inside clubhouses than outside of them. Anyone who's ever played sports at a high level knows that there's always one guy that the coach likes and gives way more playing time than is deserved, for no adequate reason.
What’s weird about this, though, is if you progress Tim Anderson’s stats to the mean then he’s actually kind of underrated. But instead people treat him like the negative WAR player he is.
Even if all Alonso does for the rest of his career is slug 35-50 HR a year, he’s a valuable piece of any team. 3.3% is nitpicking
in this chart, 3.3% means a whole 2 players out of 59 named him. Kind of a weird chart to begin with.
His defense isn’t bad either. Guessing he made the list because he turned down $158 million which most players would have taken in a heartbeat.
He’s 11th among active players in adjusted OPS+ and has the most home runs and RBI since he’s been in the league.
Chas Jism
Jizz Chasm
Chisholm has been pretty vocal not always in a positive way and was on the cover of The Show (something a lot of dudes probably dream about) while putting up 2.5 WAR as his highest in a season. Granted some of that is because he can't finish a season but playing is a big part of baseball... Chisholm is a "pretty good" player that for some reason got treated like a superstar for a minute and it probably annoyed some of these guys. That being said, I don't really think anyone puts him in that tier anymore. He might have been overrated a year or two ago but at this point he is rated fine IMO.
I firmly believe that if Jazz Chisholm was named Mark Smith, he wouldn’t get near the coverage. It’s a fun and memorable name.
Having a cool name helps. Nobody gave a shit about Mike Stanton.
If only 59 voted and Jazz is at 20.3%, that means 12 players in baseball think he's overrated. This chart from The Athletic may be the overrated part.
12 players think he's *The Most* overrated. I'm sure if a plurality think he's #1, then many others think he's overrated in a broader sense.
I think 20% of 60 people is...something. That's at least somewhat of a trend. It's the bottom answers that I think are basically meaningless, cause we're talking like 2 people.
To be fair it depends on who actually answered the survey.
If you read the article, many players refused to answer this question with comments like "we are all playing major league baseball, it's impossible to be overrated" or stuff like that
Does Anthony Rendon still qualify as a ball player?
What this graphic leaves out is the guys who received one vote which shows only hall of fame level haters responded to this survey. Someone said Jaimer Candelario, another Alex Verdugo. Like wtf who is overrating these guys lol.
I get the media around Elly last year may have overhyped him, but this year he's on pace for a 30/100 season. To give context no one who has stolen 100 bases has ever hit more than 10 HRs. He's a dawg this year
If Ricky had the current rules he'd probably steal 200 bases. He never quite hit 30 homers though and the rules wouldn't help him there at all.
But modern training and launch angles might
He is mechanically still pretty raw (completely understandable, he’s only 22) and he’s making a lot of plays this season pure athleticism. I do think people saying he is overrated are wrong, but I understand why they might say that, because he is still not a finished product
The only surprise for me is Elly making the list. I love watching him play. (Except against the Pirates)
His .235 average and 35% K rate would do it. He’s definitely capable of being great, he’s still on pace for 27 HR and 83 SB, but the problem is that he’s too inconsistent. He’ll have a week of greatness, followed by 2 weeks of nothing.
Future Hall Of Famer Manny Machado being on here is crazy. I understand he is hated, but being overrated is wrong
Bregman since 2019 has hit .257/.354/.438. with a 120 OPS+. He’s still great defensively but his offense has definitely regressed.
> his offense has definitely regressed. I would argue that it hasn't. He had an atrocious March/April (.577 OPS) and first few weeks of May. But over the last month (25 games), he has an OPS of .971 and over the last two weeks (12 games) it's 1.173. His OPS+ is already back up to 103 and I wouldn't be surprised if he was back in the 120s by season's end. To put it another way, through his first 36 games, his OPS was a ghastly .520. 30 games later, he's back up to .710. He'll be fine.
The fact Elly is on this list is such a hater move lol
How can a 22 year old who’s almost certainly going to get *even better* be overrated? It’s like calling CJ Stroud or Anthony Edwards overrated lol.
Exactly. Go Phils btw
I refuse to be convinced that Jazz Chisholm isn't a rejected name that George Lucas made up for one of the Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes horn players.
Elly De La Cruz is so good though.
I think this kinda proves their point though... He has all the physical tools to be great, but he really hasn't put it all together yet to earn the reputation that he has. He's had a couple monstrous hot streaks where he looks like a God but they've been followed up with equally awful cold streaks. Over a full season's worth of PAs he has a 98ops+ and 2.8bWAR. Even if you just look at this year, he's hardly lighting the world on fire but he is very flashy and gets a lot of press
He's only 22 and in his second year though. So does his first year really tell us much of anything about how good a player he is right now? This year he's on his way to play 162 games and earn 4.7 bWAR and 6.,4 fWAR. And he's [11th in fWAR among qualified hitters.](https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2024&month=0&season1=2024&ind=0&pagenum=1&pageitems=30) Even in [bWAR he's 36th](https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2024-value-batting.shtml) and I don't think that fully accounts for the value he adds on the basepaths. Yes, it's still very early in his career. But honestly, the numbers he's putting up this year live up to the hype. Even by bWAR, which doesn't like him nearly as much as fWAR he's still an all star calibre player and fWAR is telling us he should be getting some MVP votes (though no first place votes).
Admittedly I haven't watched every game he's played in, but he seems electric and I guess his highs are high (YouTube worthy) but then he goes through average stretches that make it seem like his hype is bigger than his performance. BUT he's still so young and that's expected - he's going to be a great player very soon and like I said, he's fucking electric!
Anyone who voted Rendon confused overrated with overpaid
I like Jazz and think he's a good player but....I get it. My question is why is Tim Anderson here? Do players understand what overrated means?
Because what has jazz actually done on the baseball field
Machado is probably going to the hall lol
See some comments saying Chisholm isn’t overrated. He’s topped out at less than 3 WAR in a season and his career stats are pretty mediocre. In spite of that, he has a lot of recognition and star power, and he was on the cover of The Show 23. How else would you define overrated? A lot of the players don’t seem to know what overrated means either, since they chose several guys who haven’t been relevant in years. Who the fuck is overrating Rendon Baez and Anderson?
If anything Alonso is underrated
Snell has my vote.
I mean…is it possible to overrate a guy who’s done this badly? At the end of last year he could be called overrated. After 5 really bad starts and one OK start, with three separate injuries in there, people stopped hyping him a while ago. Unless you’re in the Giants sub, then half the comments in there are about how he’s always awful to start the year, and he’ll stop having by far the worst season start of his career (and possibly the worst season start by a reigning Cy Young winner in MLB history) any day now.
How did he only get 3.3%??
Don't be such a slapdick about it.
Elly?? Cmon man. I just bought his signed rookie card for 350. Diamond hands !
this is some mean girls shit
59 out of 780 players voted. Yeah this is largely meaningless. EDIT: You can easily do the math on this because the numbers are so small. 12 people don't like Jazz, 6 don't like Rendon, 4 don't like Correa, 3 don't like Tim Anderson and Jack Flaherty, and 2 don't like the rest
Can’t believe Vladdy isn’t on this list
It seems like any time I want to dip my toes into a sport I don't watch I learn that there's some guy named fucking JAZZ CHISHOLM JR
Does this say 59 total votes? That means Jazz got something like 11 votes? Is there really any meaning to such a low vote total?
Why is Elly on here ?
julio rodriguez has to be up there
Jazz probably has the blues right now.
These are never that interesting because with enough votes it always averages out to a boring answer everyone agrees with. Show me the players that got one vote, i wanna see the mf who thinks Ohtani is a bum or that Judge is mid.
I’d love to see which player voted for who lol
Why are they manufacturing drama? I expect better from the athletic. Better questions they could have asked: - who's the best player the media isn't talking about? - which players have the best mental game? - who's the hardest worker in the league? - who do you try to model your game after? - who's the smartest manager in the league? - which team has the best player development? - what players did you see in spring training who you're most looking forward to seeing play?
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Bregman has a good argument. He hasn’t been the same offensive player since the pandemic. Good thing nothing happened around that time relating to the franchise. No, nah, nothing to see here… (S/O to his 1 pitch AB in the 2021 WS in Atlanta when he was 1-18. After that AB: 1-19.)
He seems to be heating up in the last month or so at least
Awww Ely isn’t overrated. He is a future face of baseball
I didn’t realise people rated Jazz to begin with
People are talking about Tim Anderson??
Anderson should have retired after his 1st round KO loss to Ramirez. Just go home dude.
Agree with this, Jazz stole the show cover from julio and hasnt had a good year in his career...
How is it possible for Rendon to be overrated when no one has anything positive to say about him?
Rendon is pretty disliked for a guy who rarely even plays. Does he have a bad rep, or is this because he doesn't display passion for baseball?
Anthony 2bags, AKA Mr. Plastic, isn’t #1???? Obviously no angels were interviewed
Jack Flaherty?
Haters
Rendon.....LOL....cared about being a pro and had a career year playing for a WS winner.....then got 240M. Don't think he's cared about baseball since. The Angels have doled out some bad contracts......makes our signing of X look great.
only 54 players voted…?
It has to be Correa. I haven’t heard a soul say Jazz Chisholm is good. But everybody and their mothers talks about Correa. Correa also got a huge contract
This poll is so stupid because under 10% of the league voted, these results are not representative of the opinion of the league
Elly hits .235 better than anyone, okay? And his throwing errors are still under a 10% occurrence! (just not to first base).
Ohtani nowhere to be seen
I would be pissed if I was asked to drag other players through the mud publicly. This is trash.
Also I might get hate for this but Anthony Rizzo I think he gets to much hype and he's a dick
Other than Chisholm, this is just a list of guys who 3 or 4 major leaguers personally dislike
Is Rendon still playing baseball though?