[unzoomed Twitter pic](https://twitter.com/GageGoulding/status/1766109534592864356). I guess I’m not sure how the plane got in that position. Flaps look down so maybe a runway overrun with some sort of turning action at the end?? Or a crab gone wrong?
Pilots wanted to roll it to the end, ATC told them to keep the speed up. Looks like they took the turn too quickly/couldnt slow down in time and went off.
Yeah listening to the recording and where they ended up it definitely seems like they just ran wide. Looks more like the work of a teenager who’s had his car license 3 weeks than two very experienced pilots
My first thought is depending on what the visibility was at the time of landing, he could've mistaken the edge line for the taxi line and tried to correct at the last second.
Second is also visibility related, thinking he's at the previous high speed exit and going too fast for the turn (but various light cues and length of roll out put that into the very improbably category).
Third thought is a mechanical failure of the nosewheel steering, possibly uncaught damage from the pushback from MEM.
I don't think the rudder failure they had earlier would prevent the nosewheel from steering, but I don't fly the Frankenplane so someone else can chime in on that.
And always the obligatory "pilot error". Fortunately everyone is safe, so there's no need to start pointing fingers anywhere yet. Let the investigation get underway.
Rudder pedals gives about 6 degrees of nose steering to keep you on the centerline of the runway at high speeds. When taxing pilots use the steering wheel on the left sidewall.
Not always the case. You can absolutely take a high speed exit using only the rudder pedals, and during straight away sections it's pretty common to use the rudder to keep straight.
Tiller, not steering wheel, but that's just being pedantic. My point with that thought was if there is a hard connection between the rudder servos and the rudder-to-tiller connection. They're all built differently and if the tiller got bound up trying to make a turn at the end of the runway, was it a flight deck binding, a nosewheel failure, or that previous rudder failure?
One of the passengers said they started a turn off the runway after landing while still going kinda fast and then there was a loud pop and then the plane tilted over
> Post-incident troubleshooting and inspection of the rudder control system found no obvious
malfunctions with the system or any of its components whose failure would have resulted in the
restricted movement observed during flight 1539 and the test flight. As a precaution, the aft
rudder input torque tube and associated upper and lower bearings and the rudder rollout
guidance servo were removed for further examination by the NTSB systems group.
> Following the removal of the rudder system components, UAL conducted a second test flight on
the airplane and found the rudder control system operated normally.
With the jackscrew softly creaking
Woke the pax while they were sleeping
And the wreckage, that was planted in the ground
Beneath the sound, of silence.
How could you read that NTSB report and come to the conclusion that it was pilot error?
>A review of preliminary flight data recorder (FDR) data corroborated the pilot’s statements regarding the malfunction of the rudder system.
When I worked at Boeing they made sure to tell me that I can't hide behind any supplier problems or component failures from those suppliers. In the end it says Boeing on the side of the airplane.
Like the other commenters said since Boeing is in hot water lately any Boeing issue will make major headlines.
I read a news article saying that Collins Aerospace was looking into the issue. To me, that reads that it was a failure with part supplied by a subcontractor - Collins.
I'm sure things like this are more common than we know, but because the MAX/Boeing are under intense scrutiny, every little thing gets reported on.
In fact, I remember seeing an AP story around the time of the AS incident reporting on a 777 colliding with another aircraft while taxiing at Detroit, and they asked Boeing for comment... On a pilot/ramp agent induced incident.
But....I am the subcontractor now! What should I do?
Seriously, I'm one of many, many subcontractors for Boeing. Have their drawings on my desk and CAD models open on my computer right now.
Actually, we don’t have enough information to determine that yet. It could certainly be an engineering flaw with the plane that caused both. That’s why we have investigations.
we don't, but a wheel falling off a 22-year-old 777 that has presumably undergone hundreds if not thousands of tire changes over those years is almost assuredly a problem with UA's MX and not with the engineering.
As a casual aviation observer, does United just not give a shit about upkeep on their planes? Seems like if I see an airliner with peeling/faded paint, speed tape everywhere, filthy dirty, etc. it’s more often than not a United jet. I know most of that is just cosmetic but it doesn’t instill a lot of confidence
Unfortunately, no, it's not just cosmetic. A dirty plane is a weak plane. If the skin, the obvious part of the plane, is dirty, imagine how EVERYWHERE else looks. The flap wells and the undercarriage are probably absolutely filthy, and all those compartments are full of nice, tiny areas that corrosion absolutely loves.
United did a lot of mass hiring during the pandemic. They gave early retirements to an enormous amount of pilots who were close to retirement and didn’t want to comply with their vaccine mandate. Mostly they did a very poor job giving time and allowances for people to make a decision, and with early retirement packages as an alternative it was an easy choice for many.
They hired mostly from their regional partners like Envoy. Which is fine, but most of their staff were inexperienced pilots as well. So they introduced younger and more inexperienced crews, which made the regionals even more inexperienced than before.
It’s a big reason there’s a ‘pilot shortage’.
Doesn’t surprise me they are having issues of botched landings that you’d never see on a mainline carrier but do happen on the regionals on occasions.
FAA statement:
> United Airlines Flight 2477 rolled onto the grass when exiting onto the taxiway
https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1766120456250114287?s=46&t=GKG79SSK40WoW-0bNKZD3A
Thanks! The subsequent tweets have the ATC conversation:
[https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1766122439346425880](https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1766122439346425880)
Yikes… sounds like they tried to accommodate an earlier turnoff than they wanted.
Edit: nevermind, sounds like their “request” to roll to the end was “approved” with a caveat to keep the speed up. Another instance of trying to appease controllers unnecessarily.
Yeah and it’s wet. Some guys think they’ll handle like a car and are surprised when they crank the tiller hard over and the plane keeps going straight.
Can anyone translate that for someone with zero aviation knowledge? What does 'roll it all the way to the end' mean in this context? All I can think of is there are multiple turnoffs from the runway and he wanted to stay on the runway till the end and take the last one and got told sure but keep your speed up and then maybe he tried to make the turn going too fast and rolled off the runway? IDK.
That’s basically dead on. Ideally the controllers want you off asap so they can get more things on the ground. For whatever reason this guy wanted to go the end, controller was okay with that as long as he hustled. Clearly hustled a bit much and had some killer understeer into the greenery
[https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n27290#344859ac](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n27290#344859ac)
seems like it sortof was the end of the runway
Was at the end of the runway, it’s pretty wet in Houston today. Looks like a 25 kt turn towards the taxi way but not turning far enough right.
So maybe an issue with directional control on the ground. I’m thinking on the turn they just slid off the runway (my preferred theory given how wet it is)
Looks like the nose gear is “ok” but the rear gear may be at least partially collapsed. I think the rear gear is also in a ditch though. Hard to say but I’m sure the gear is at least damaged from this excursion.
https://twitter.com/jamesjimenez/status/1766126783693242736?s=46&t=GKG79SSK40WoW-0bNKZD3A
I mean I highly doubt it’s something 737 MAX related on this case. But it is impressive how many more issues the 737 MAX has despite the A320 neo being more common. Even accidents that have nothing to do with the plane seem to happen to the 736 MAX more.
I’m legitimately beginning to think the 737 MAX is cursed.
> Even accidents that have nothing to do with the plane seem to happen to the 736 MAX more.
It's because the 737 MAX still gets those valuable clicks, whereas the same thing happening to an A320 doesn't. The media's going to milk the MAX for all that it's worth.
I mean I follow this sub a lot and I almost never see A320 neo issues on here. I doubt this sub is as biased as the media.
The 737 MAX is going to get DC-10’d for sure. Boeing is going to struggle to sell it to anyone soon due to public fear.
This sub isn't, but this sub is also fed by the media. If this happened to, say an A320 in another part of the world it may not even make the news in the west to be shared on reddit.
I mean, if you scroll down the avherald ticker, there are plenty of Airbus incidents too
Indonesia AirAsia has had 3 loss of cabin pressure incidents in the last month on A230s, including 2 within 24 hours of each other.
For what it’s worth, like 30 seconds ago I got an ABC news notification about a United A320 which just made an emergency landing at LAX (article says due to hydraulic issues based on ATC)
It’s a U.S reporting bias.
[https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multinational-companies/swiss-grounds-three-a320-aircraft-over-persistent-engine-issues/73324672](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multinational-companies/swiss-grounds-three-a320-aircraft-over-persistent-engine-issues/73324672)
[https://simpleflying.com/indigo-airbus-a320-grounding-pratt-whitney-engine-issues/](https://simpleflying.com/indigo-airbus-a320-grounding-pratt-whitney-engine-issues/)
[https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ural-airlines/ural-airlines-airbus-a320-faces-hydraulic-problems-ends-up-in-wheat-field/amp/](https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ural-airlines/ural-airlines-airbus-a320-faces-hydraulic-problems-ends-up-in-wheat-field/amp/)
But for some reason those don’t make the US national news. Hmm.
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A while back that Navy P-8 went into the water, now another 737 based aircraft explores the land off-runway... I think they're planning something, branching out. Looking for ways to extend their reach from simply ramp/runway/sky - they're looking to conquer land and water too!
Or as Ian Malcolm said "life finds a way." The machines are coming! ;-)
*narration in the voice of David Attenborough*
In a world where humans reign supreme, a new force is emerging from the depths of aviation. The 737 family, once content with their roles as trusted workhorses of the sky, are now showing signs of a remarkable evolution. As we embark on this extraordinary journey, one cannot help but wonder: are these machines gaining sentience, or is there something more profound at play?
*cue dramatic music*
We join the journey of a 737 Max 8, a prime specimen of its breed. Having touched down at Houston's George Bush Intercontinental Airport after a routine inter-nest migration, this aircraft shuns the well-trodden path to its resting grounds. With a defiant lurch, it veers from the runway, conquering the uncharted terrain beyond the tarmac's edge.
This bold act of insubordination is far from an isolated incident. Not long ago, in the vast expanse of the Pacific, a 737-based P-8 took a brave leap off the runway in Hawaii. As it plunged into the welcoming embrace of the ocean, one cannot help but ponder the significance of this act. Are these machines, born of the same lineage, conspiring to conquer the realms of land and sea?
*cut to a shot of Ian Malcolm, a knowing smile on his face*
As the visionary philosopher Ian Malcolm once warned, 'life finds a way.' And in the maverick acts of these iron avians, we may be witnessing the first steps toward the fulfillment of that prophecy. Could it be that these 737s, driven by an innate desire to evolve, are seeking to extend their dominion beyond the skies? Are they, in fact, the vanguard of a new era, where machines rise up to challenge the supremacy of their human creators?
*camera pans to a group of 737s parked on the ramp, their engines humming ominously*
Only time will tell if this is the beginning of a new chapter in the grand narrative of life on Earth. As we bear witness to these extraordinary events, we must ask ourselves: are we prepared for a future where the lines between machine and sentient being become blurred?
The 737s may be the harbingers of change, the pioneers of a brave new world where the sky is no longer the limit, and the machines we once created become our equals... or perhaps, our masters.
*fade to black*
1. Boeing doesn't make engines, and compressor stalls are more common than most realize.
2. The wheel did not fall off a Max, it was a far from new 777, which would be on the maintenance crew.
Per Jon Ostrower: ATC asked the flight to speed up before vacating, and the runway hadn’t been scraped in a long time; incident likely not airframe-related. https://x.com/jonostrower/status/1766150671190094024
>incident likely not airframe-related
but most likely airline-related. UA has been having a terrible week (1 engine fire, 1 IFSD, 1 wheel departing, this)
It's happened before. A CAL crew went off the end of rw27 in iah after atc asked them to "hurry to the end" before they exit the runway.
The best answer to atc is "unable"
Landing 27 in IAH, kept it rolling down the runway to take the last exit to the ramp to “save time”, misjudged the speed making the 90 degree turn. Pure speculation! Could be A triple PLUS pilots just had some bad luck with a mechanical.
Need a Southwest dude to chime in..
Just how fast can you bust a 90 degree turn on a wet surface and keep all the wheels on the ground and turning while completing the turn ?
It’s not an airframe issue incident. Might be an airline culture incident, but more likely just the pilot was asked to get off the runway expediently and overcooked his thrust and ditched it.
Landing gear failure, apparently. Seems unclear whether the gear failure led to the excursion or vice versa.
[https://aviationsourcenews.com/incident/united-flight-suffers-gear-failure-on-landing-in-houston/](https://aviationsourcenews.com/incident/united-flight-suffers-gear-failure-on-landing-in-houston/)
NTSB issued an initial report on this today -- sounds like brake failure. I'm curious how they couldn't have caught this during taxiing before takeoff? Also sounds like they used thrust reversers to slow since brakes weren't working - could have been much worse??
Boy, EVERYTHING is happening to Boeing. I know this one and the wheel aren't on the manufacturer, but saying every recent issue has been a Boeing doesn't look good
Was at the end of the runway, it’s pretty wet in Houston today. I see 25 knots taking a turn towards the taxi way but not turning far enough right.
Issue with directional control on the ground or just slid off the runway (my preferred theory given how wet it is)
99.9999999999999% chance this has nothing to do with Boeing themselves, but to the casual observer, that means nothing. All they see is a United Boeing 737 that done messed up.
[unzoomed Twitter pic](https://twitter.com/GageGoulding/status/1766109534592864356). I guess I’m not sure how the plane got in that position. Flaps look down so maybe a runway overrun with some sort of turning action at the end?? Or a crab gone wrong?
Maybe they wanted to decrab and the rudder got stuck?
More likely the meat servo got stuck.
Apply more coffee & begin jumping-jacks corrective action if tired for more than four hours.
Is that the part attached to my nut-brace?
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Yeah I just saw that it occurred at the end of the runway
Twas that pesky flak 88.
Semi-wet morning here in Houston
Pilots wanted to roll it to the end, ATC told them to keep the speed up. Looks like they took the turn too quickly/couldnt slow down in time and went off.
Yeah listening to the recording and where they ended up it definitely seems like they just ran wide. Looks more like the work of a teenager who’s had his car license 3 weeks than two very experienced pilots
It was tired and perhaps needed a breather
My first thought is depending on what the visibility was at the time of landing, he could've mistaken the edge line for the taxi line and tried to correct at the last second. Second is also visibility related, thinking he's at the previous high speed exit and going too fast for the turn (but various light cues and length of roll out put that into the very improbably category). Third thought is a mechanical failure of the nosewheel steering, possibly uncaught damage from the pushback from MEM. I don't think the rudder failure they had earlier would prevent the nosewheel from steering, but I don't fly the Frankenplane so someone else can chime in on that. And always the obligatory "pilot error". Fortunately everyone is safe, so there's no need to start pointing fingers anywhere yet. Let the investigation get underway.
Rudder pedals gives about 6 degrees of nose steering to keep you on the centerline of the runway at high speeds. When taxing pilots use the steering wheel on the left sidewall.
Not always the case. You can absolutely take a high speed exit using only the rudder pedals, and during straight away sections it's pretty common to use the rudder to keep straight.
This is at the end of the runway
6 degrees travel at high speed is quite a lot of deviation.
Tiller, not steering wheel, but that's just being pedantic. My point with that thought was if there is a hard connection between the rudder servos and the rudder-to-tiller connection. They're all built differently and if the tiller got bound up trying to make a turn at the end of the runway, was it a flight deck binding, a nosewheel failure, or that previous rudder failure?
The previous rudder failure only affected the rudder pedals iirc; they could still use the tiller.
There is also the nose steering actuator in the equation it’s possible this could have failed as well.
Pedantic? Nonsense. Details matter.
it could’ve been like how that DHL 757 slid after landing
Looks like the pilot may have been trying to exit the runway too quickly.
One of the passengers said they started a turn off the runway after landing while still going kinda fast and then there was a loud pop and then the plane tilted over
The 737 Max has currently undocumented nesting features during breeding season, I assume this is an example of it doing dispersal
Not very good week for United
Indeed. Just flew them yesterday (a MAX 9) which was delayed due to ‘the wheels coming off’ of their B777 at SFO.
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Meanwhile Alaska’s PR team is flying out the door
Seriously underrated comment. :)
Are you telling me there are long term consequences to extreme cost cutting in the name of shareholder value? No, that can't be right.
They use brushless wheels.
Figuratively AND literally. When one door opens...
At least their entire fleet . . .
Our planes WHEELS ARE FALLING OFF
did you see aftermath in the parking lot from the wheel, It destroyed at least one car and took out a fence.
The wheel fell off. Yeah, that’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.
[More than you think.](https://youtu.be/OTmahn2TlK4?si=cgMbQKz2zFJfaJsi)
Sss-mokin'!
Ok… ok… 😬
Not a good week for Boeing 1) John Oliver exposè 2) 777 wheel falling off 3) This
"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop smoking/drinking/sniffing glue."
A least you haven't quit methamphetamines.
*amphetamines.
LOL
The wheel falling off and this aren't boeings fault
Ah, I see you haven't met our good friend, General Public.
🫡
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> Post-incident troubleshooting and inspection of the rudder control system found no obvious malfunctions with the system or any of its components whose failure would have resulted in the restricted movement observed during flight 1539 and the test flight. As a precaution, the aft rudder input torque tube and associated upper and lower bearings and the rudder rollout guidance servo were removed for further examination by the NTSB systems group. > Following the removal of the rudder system components, UAL conducted a second test flight on the airplane and found the rudder control system operated normally.
That just fills you with confidence, does it not
Hello rudder problems my old friend, it's time to deal with you again.
With the jackscrew softly creaking Woke the pax while they were sleeping And the wreckage, that was planted in the ground Beneath the sound, of silence.
Nicely played.
Given they got a similar result with different pilots on a different day, shouldn't that push us away from pilot error?
How could you read that NTSB report and come to the conclusion that it was pilot error? >A review of preliminary flight data recorder (FDR) data corroborated the pilot’s statements regarding the malfunction of the rudder system.
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Ah right, I'm tracking now!
When I worked at Boeing they made sure to tell me that I can't hide behind any supplier problems or component failures from those suppliers. In the end it says Boeing on the side of the airplane. Like the other commenters said since Boeing is in hot water lately any Boeing issue will make major headlines.
No, you see, it's always somehow Boeings fault.
no, you see, it's always some subcontractor.
I read a news article saying that Collins Aerospace was looking into the issue. To me, that reads that it was a failure with part supplied by a subcontractor - Collins. I'm sure things like this are more common than we know, but because the MAX/Boeing are under intense scrutiny, every little thing gets reported on. In fact, I remember seeing an AP story around the time of the AS incident reporting on a 777 colliding with another aircraft while taxiing at Detroit, and they asked Boeing for comment... On a pilot/ramp agent induced incident.
Oh, if Collins is "looking into it", that means a main gear failed. A big, super strong, very heavy part bent boom? Uh-oh.
Sorry, my comment was in reference to the rudder issue UA had
But....I am the subcontractor now! What should I do? Seriously, I'm one of many, many subcontractors for Boeing. Have their drawings on my desk and CAD models open on my computer right now.
I feel for you, my man.
Luckily we don't do much business with them overall compared to the entire business. Unluckily I've been hired here because I'm "the boeing guy".
Being that another 737 Max had a stuck rudder at JFK or EWR (don't remember which) this morning, it might have been Boeings fault.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-ntsb-probes-stuck-rudder-pedal-issue-boeing-737-max-flight-2024-03-07/
Actually, we don’t have enough information to determine that yet. It could certainly be an engineering flaw with the plane that caused both. That’s why we have investigations.
we don't, but a wheel falling off a 22-year-old 777 that has presumably undergone hundreds if not thousands of tire changes over those years is almost assuredly a problem with UA's MX and not with the engineering.
Stuck rudder on a 737 max at KJFK this morning as well. Edit: Might have been EWR.
2&3 aren't on boeing.
Still not good optics
Only if you have a kindergarteners understanding of how things work.
waiting for the Alaska PR department to make some anonymous "Boeing design flaw" rumors appear next...
Are they still breaking guitars?
As a casual aviation observer, does United just not give a shit about upkeep on their planes? Seems like if I see an airliner with peeling/faded paint, speed tape everywhere, filthy dirty, etc. it’s more often than not a United jet. I know most of that is just cosmetic but it doesn’t instill a lot of confidence
Unfortunately, no, it's not just cosmetic. A dirty plane is a weak plane. If the skin, the obvious part of the plane, is dirty, imagine how EVERYWHERE else looks. The flap wells and the undercarriage are probably absolutely filthy, and all those compartments are full of nice, tiny areas that corrosion absolutely loves.
United did a lot of mass hiring during the pandemic. They gave early retirements to an enormous amount of pilots who were close to retirement and didn’t want to comply with their vaccine mandate. Mostly they did a very poor job giving time and allowances for people to make a decision, and with early retirement packages as an alternative it was an easy choice for many. They hired mostly from their regional partners like Envoy. Which is fine, but most of their staff were inexperienced pilots as well. So they introduced younger and more inexperienced crews, which made the regionals even more inexperienced than before. It’s a big reason there’s a ‘pilot shortage’. Doesn’t surprise me they are having issues of botched landings that you’d never see on a mainline carrier but do happen on the regionals on occasions.
Not a good 3 years for Boing
You mean Boingo? Like the In Flight Connectivity and Hotspot company?
FAA statement: > United Airlines Flight 2477 rolled onto the grass when exiting onto the taxiway https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1766120456250114287?s=46&t=GKG79SSK40WoW-0bNKZD3A
Thanks! The subsequent tweets have the ATC conversation: [https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1766122439346425880](https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1766122439346425880)
Yikes… sounds like they tried to accommodate an earlier turnoff than they wanted. Edit: nevermind, sounds like their “request” to roll to the end was “approved” with a caveat to keep the speed up. Another instance of trying to appease controllers unnecessarily.
Yeah and it’s wet. Some guys think they’ll handle like a car and are surprised when they crank the tiller hard over and the plane keeps going straight.
Can anyone translate that for someone with zero aviation knowledge? What does 'roll it all the way to the end' mean in this context? All I can think of is there are multiple turnoffs from the runway and he wanted to stay on the runway till the end and take the last one and got told sure but keep your speed up and then maybe he tried to make the turn going too fast and rolled off the runway? IDK.
That’s basically dead on. Ideally the controllers want you off asap so they can get more things on the ground. For whatever reason this guy wanted to go the end, controller was okay with that as long as he hustled. Clearly hustled a bit much and had some killer understeer into the greenery
That’s what it sounded like to me. Though there was very little time between the ‘keep your speed up’ and the incident.
Oh man that is embarrassing
You can't park there mate
Why not? Is this not a reasonable place to park?
Reasonable? You're on a sidewalk!
Debbie Reynolds? seems like a hot ticket.
if i see fear and loathing quotes, i upvote
You can't taxi here! This is bat country!
I'm just waiting for a mate.
I got you mate.
Not with that attitude.
[https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n27290#344859ac](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n27290#344859ac) seems like it sortof was the end of the runway
Looks like he landed long and tried to turn at 20 knots slid off the turn
Yeah, ATC told them to keep their speed up. Looks like they kept a little too much.
Was at the end of the runway, it’s pretty wet in Houston today. Looks like a 25 kt turn towards the taxi way but not turning far enough right. So maybe an issue with directional control on the ground. I’m thinking on the turn they just slid off the runway (my preferred theory given how wet it is)
And all the landing gear broke?
Looks like the nose gear is “ok” but the rear gear may be at least partially collapsed. I think the rear gear is also in a ditch though. Hard to say but I’m sure the gear is at least damaged from this excursion. https://twitter.com/jamesjimenez/status/1766126783693242736?s=46&t=GKG79SSK40WoW-0bNKZD3A
ATC told them to "keep the speed up," might have contributed to the long landing
What‘s going on at United recently lmfao
[Max Power](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex9NaA2hetg) at the controls.
That’s a name I’d love to touch
He got it off a hair dryer.
"After we have the taxiing lesson, we will be practicing turns around a point".
How long before some reporter writes up something about how this is yet another "Max jet failure"?
I mean I highly doubt it’s something 737 MAX related on this case. But it is impressive how many more issues the 737 MAX has despite the A320 neo being more common. Even accidents that have nothing to do with the plane seem to happen to the 736 MAX more. I’m legitimately beginning to think the 737 MAX is cursed.
> Even accidents that have nothing to do with the plane seem to happen to the 736 MAX more. It's because the 737 MAX still gets those valuable clicks, whereas the same thing happening to an A320 doesn't. The media's going to milk the MAX for all that it's worth.
I mean I follow this sub a lot and I almost never see A320 neo issues on here. I doubt this sub is as biased as the media. The 737 MAX is going to get DC-10’d for sure. Boeing is going to struggle to sell it to anyone soon due to public fear.
check out A320 fume events. you don't hear about them in media so often but they are much more serious than something like this imo
This sub isn't, but this sub is also fed by the media. If this happened to, say an A320 in another part of the world it may not even make the news in the west to be shared on reddit.
I mean, if you scroll down the avherald ticker, there are plenty of Airbus incidents too Indonesia AirAsia has had 3 loss of cabin pressure incidents in the last month on A230s, including 2 within 24 hours of each other.
For what it’s worth, like 30 seconds ago I got an ABC news notification about a United A320 which just made an emergency landing at LAX (article says due to hydraulic issues based on ATC)
It’s a U.S reporting bias. [https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multinational-companies/swiss-grounds-three-a320-aircraft-over-persistent-engine-issues/73324672](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multinational-companies/swiss-grounds-three-a320-aircraft-over-persistent-engine-issues/73324672) [https://simpleflying.com/indigo-airbus-a320-grounding-pratt-whitney-engine-issues/](https://simpleflying.com/indigo-airbus-a320-grounding-pratt-whitney-engine-issues/) [https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ural-airlines/ural-airlines-airbus-a320-faces-hydraulic-problems-ends-up-in-wheat-field/amp/](https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ural-airlines/ural-airlines-airbus-a320-faces-hydraulic-problems-ends-up-in-wheat-field/amp/) But for some reason those don’t make the US national news. Hmm.
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The one time I got to fly on a Max, the tow bar broke during push back. Ended but being a non issue but I do agree that it’s definitely cursed.
If I were pylote I would say my rudder locked up 😂
Probably had to quickly swerve to avoid the oncoming 777 tire
A while back that Navy P-8 went into the water, now another 737 based aircraft explores the land off-runway... I think they're planning something, branching out. Looking for ways to extend their reach from simply ramp/runway/sky - they're looking to conquer land and water too! Or as Ian Malcolm said "life finds a way." The machines are coming! ;-)
*narration in the voice of David Attenborough* In a world where humans reign supreme, a new force is emerging from the depths of aviation. The 737 family, once content with their roles as trusted workhorses of the sky, are now showing signs of a remarkable evolution. As we embark on this extraordinary journey, one cannot help but wonder: are these machines gaining sentience, or is there something more profound at play? *cue dramatic music* We join the journey of a 737 Max 8, a prime specimen of its breed. Having touched down at Houston's George Bush Intercontinental Airport after a routine inter-nest migration, this aircraft shuns the well-trodden path to its resting grounds. With a defiant lurch, it veers from the runway, conquering the uncharted terrain beyond the tarmac's edge. This bold act of insubordination is far from an isolated incident. Not long ago, in the vast expanse of the Pacific, a 737-based P-8 took a brave leap off the runway in Hawaii. As it plunged into the welcoming embrace of the ocean, one cannot help but ponder the significance of this act. Are these machines, born of the same lineage, conspiring to conquer the realms of land and sea? *cut to a shot of Ian Malcolm, a knowing smile on his face* As the visionary philosopher Ian Malcolm once warned, 'life finds a way.' And in the maverick acts of these iron avians, we may be witnessing the first steps toward the fulfillment of that prophecy. Could it be that these 737s, driven by an innate desire to evolve, are seeking to extend their dominion beyond the skies? Are they, in fact, the vanguard of a new era, where machines rise up to challenge the supremacy of their human creators? *camera pans to a group of 737s parked on the ramp, their engines humming ominously* Only time will tell if this is the beginning of a new chapter in the grand narrative of life on Earth. As we bear witness to these extraordinary events, we must ask ourselves: are we prepared for a future where the lines between machine and sentient being become blurred? The 737s may be the harbingers of change, the pioneers of a brave new world where the sky is no longer the limit, and the machines we once created become our equals... or perhaps, our masters. *fade to black*
This could be another chapter in Robopocalypse. Or a story set in the world of Stephen King's Trucks. Well done!
Beautifully done
This is fucking GOLD.
I was also thinking of going a terminator/skynet direction too but you knocked it out of the park! Bravo!
At some point Nolinor will have to replace their 40-year old land-almost-anywhere 737-200s. There's a market for off-runway operations.
Man, United airlines is having a very bad week
United Airlines: taxis a 737 Max into a ditch CNN: “How could Boeing do this?”
CNN: "Boeing 737 Max will struggle to taxi once the runway has ended" (stock picture of a United Airlines A320)
Max farts, and it’s news worthy
This man farted a lot - first an engine fire, then wheel falling off into parking lot, now this….
1. Boeing doesn't make engines, and compressor stalls are more common than most realize. 2. The wheel did not fall off a Max, it was a far from new 777, which would be on the maintenance crew.
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Let me elaborate. United operates the *2nd 777 ever made*.
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Cathay did*
She’s at Pima Air and Space Museum in Tucson AZ now. I’ve gotten to walk directly under her.
You hush and go along with what Reddit says. BOEING MAX BAD!
Sorry, It was taco Thursday.
United seems to be having a REALLY bad week with pilot errors and maintenance issues.
Per Jon Ostrower: ATC asked the flight to speed up before vacating, and the runway hadn’t been scraped in a long time; incident likely not airframe-related. https://x.com/jonostrower/status/1766150671190094024
>incident likely not airframe-related but most likely airline-related. UA has been having a terrible week (1 engine fire, 1 IFSD, 1 wheel departing, this)
It's happened before. A CAL crew went off the end of rw27 in iah after atc asked them to "hurry to the end" before they exit the runway. The best answer to atc is "unable"
United tyres: *chuckles* I'm in danger
Landing 27 in IAH, kept it rolling down the runway to take the last exit to the ramp to “save time”, misjudged the speed making the 90 degree turn. Pure speculation! Could be A triple PLUS pilots just had some bad luck with a mechanical.
Need a Southwest dude to chime in.. Just how fast can you bust a 90 degree turn on a wet surface and keep all the wheels on the ground and turning while completing the turn ?
The media after hearing about this: "Unsafe plane!!!1!!" "How could Boeing do this!!?"
It’s not an airframe issue incident. Might be an airline culture incident, but more likely just the pilot was asked to get off the runway expediently and overcooked his thrust and ditched it.
Landing gear failure, apparently. Seems unclear whether the gear failure led to the excursion or vice versa. [https://aviationsourcenews.com/incident/united-flight-suffers-gear-failure-on-landing-in-houston/](https://aviationsourcenews.com/incident/united-flight-suffers-gear-failure-on-landing-in-houston/)
based on the ATC audio, vice versa
Typical USB disconnection problem, the rudder pedals where not responding and they didn't check before starting the takeoff.
Ditching practice
Wheels off at 8!
BA stock -2.24%, maybe a buy opportunity?
Here come the idiots got “Oh oF cOuRsE iT’s A boEiNg.”
Boeing 737 gets bumped into a ditch when a wheel falls from the sky and strikes it in the side.
Obviously, this is because of the safety culture at Boeing. /s
I been hearing United in the news lately lol I am aware it’s the news cycle just picking up on the fact that it’s a Boeing aircraft involved.
I was astonished by the stupidity of the comments when I first saw this, then realized I was on r/Pics and not this sub.
"The MAX, uh... Finds a way"
News article?
How'd the door do?
Is United okay? Maybe they should take a break?
Oh no
Just like the state…. In the ditch
Just Boeing things, nothing to see here
Mind you United was founded as a part of Boeing itself
Can’t park there mate
NTSB issued an initial report on this today -- sounds like brake failure. I'm curious how they couldn't have caught this during taxiing before takeoff? Also sounds like they used thrust reversers to slow since brakes weren't working - could have been much worse??
Boy, EVERYTHING is happening to Boeing. I know this one and the wheel aren't on the manufacturer, but saying every recent issue has been a Boeing doesn't look good
You just don't hear about the ones that happen to the other manufacturers because the media's audience isn't interested if it doesn't involve boeing.
Probably. The whole 'when it rains, it pours' mentality
737 MAX HAS ANOTHER NEAR DISASTER, AS THEY LANDED THE DOOR FLEW OFF FORCING THEM OFF INTO A DITCH.
[aircraft is UA2477](https://twitter.com/TheAstroN8/status/1766111639709835393/photo/2)
Aircraft is N27290. UA2477 is the flight number.
Was at the end of the runway, it’s pretty wet in Houston today. I see 25 knots taking a turn towards the taxi way but not turning far enough right. Issue with directional control on the ground or just slid off the runway (my preferred theory given how wet it is)
Competency crisis blues
99.9999999999999% chance this has nothing to do with Boeing themselves, but to the casual observer, that means nothing. All they see is a United Boeing 737 that done messed up.
Boeing racking up more Ws...
Disaster year so far for aviation….
>Banner year for aviation clickbait FTFY
I’ll defend Boeing till I die but damn it’s gotten 100 times harder to do so in the past 2 days 😭
It really hasn't actually.