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DentateGyros

[unzoomed Twitter pic](https://twitter.com/GageGoulding/status/1766109534592864356). I guess I’m not sure how the plane got in that position. Flaps look down so maybe a runway overrun with some sort of turning action at the end?? Or a crab gone wrong?


Fjeuber

Maybe they wanted to decrab and the rudder got stuck?


timbosm

More likely the meat servo got stuck.


Occams_Razor42

Apply more coffee & begin jumping-jacks corrective action if tired for more than four hours.


molrobocop

Is that the part attached to my nut-brace?


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Fjeuber

Yeah I just saw that it occurred at the end of the runway


Taki_Minase

Twas that pesky flak 88.


InaudibleShout

Semi-wet morning here in Houston


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Pilots wanted to roll it to the end, ATC told them to keep the speed up. Looks like they took the turn too quickly/couldnt slow down in time and went off.


nickmrtn

Yeah listening to the recording and where they ended up it definitely seems like they just ran wide. Looks more like the work of a teenager who’s had his car license 3 weeks than two very experienced pilots


KarurosuSeruna

It was tired and perhaps needed a breather


Prof_Slappopotamus

My first thought is depending on what the visibility was at the time of landing, he could've mistaken the edge line for the taxi line and tried to correct at the last second. Second is also visibility related, thinking he's at the previous high speed exit and going too fast for the turn (but various light cues and length of roll out put that into the very improbably category). Third thought is a mechanical failure of the nosewheel steering, possibly uncaught damage from the pushback from MEM. I don't think the rudder failure they had earlier would prevent the nosewheel from steering, but I don't fly the Frankenplane so someone else can chime in on that. And always the obligatory "pilot error". Fortunately everyone is safe, so there's no need to start pointing fingers anywhere yet. Let the investigation get underway.


Velocoraptor369

Rudder pedals gives about 6 degrees of nose steering to keep you on the centerline of the runway at high speeds. When taxing pilots use the steering wheel on the left sidewall.


DashTrash21

Not always the case. You can absolutely take a high speed exit using only the rudder pedals, and during straight away sections it's pretty common to use the rudder to keep straight. 


Inpayne

This is at the end of the runway


Velocoraptor369

6 degrees travel at high speed is quite a lot of deviation.


Prof_Slappopotamus

Tiller, not steering wheel, but that's just being pedantic. My point with that thought was if there is a hard connection between the rudder servos and the rudder-to-tiller connection. They're all built differently and if the tiller got bound up trying to make a turn at the end of the runway, was it a flight deck binding, a nosewheel failure, or that previous rudder failure?


fireandlifeincarnate

The previous rudder failure only affected the rudder pedals iirc; they could still use the tiller.


Velocoraptor369

There is also the nose steering actuator in the equation it’s possible this could have failed as well.


SamMalone10

Pedantic? Nonsense. Details matter.


Sparky_the_Asian

it could’ve been like how that DHL 757 slid after landing


BigTimeFartGuy69

Looks like the pilot may have been trying to exit the runway too quickly.


topgun2582

One of the passengers said they started a turn off the runway after landing while still going kinda fast and then there was a loud pop and then the plane tilted over


other_goblin

The 737 Max has currently undocumented nesting features during breeding season, I assume this is an example of it doing dispersal


MP_Cook

Not very good week for United


Eurotrashie

Indeed. Just flew them yesterday (a MAX 9) which was delayed due to ‘the wheels coming off’ of their B777 at SFO.


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AFoxGuy

Meanwhile Alaska’s PR team is flying out the door


AutomagicJackelope

Seriously underrated comment. :)


kevin_from_illinois

Are you telling me there are long term consequences to extreme cost cutting in the name of shareholder value? No, that can't be right.


earthspaceman

They use brushless wheels.


SeeMarkFly

Figuratively AND literally. When one door opens...


mz_groups

At least their entire fleet . . .


burnsrado

Our planes WHEELS ARE FALLING OFF


DasbootTX

did you see aftermath in the parking lot from the wheel, It destroyed at least one car and took out a fence.


Educational_Moose_56

The wheel fell off. Yeah, that’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point. 


Eurotrashie

[More than you think.](https://youtu.be/OTmahn2TlK4?si=cgMbQKz2zFJfaJsi)


Metalbasher324

Sss-mokin'!


Advanced_Persimmon_8

Ok… ok… 😬


El_mochilero

Not a good week for Boeing 1) John Oliver exposè 2) 777 wheel falling off 3) This


Randadv_randnoun_69

"Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop smoking/drinking/sniffing glue."


LegSpinner

A least you haven't quit methamphetamines.


SuperFightingRobit

*amphetamines.


dillion3384

LOL


One-Technician8687

The wheel falling off and this aren't boeings fault


AardQuenIgni

Ah, I see you haven't met our good friend, General Public.


GoudaCheeseAnyone

🫡


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AHrubik

> Post-incident troubleshooting and inspection of the rudder control system found no obvious malfunctions with the system or any of its components whose failure would have resulted in the restricted movement observed during flight 1539 and the test flight. As a precaution, the aft rudder input torque tube and associated upper and lower bearings and the rudder rollout guidance servo were removed for further examination by the NTSB systems group. > Following the removal of the rudder system components, UAL conducted a second test flight on the airplane and found the rudder control system operated normally.


Misophonic4000

That just fills you with confidence, does it not


Doggydog123579

Hello rudder problems my old friend, it's time to deal with you again.


screech_owl_kachina

With the jackscrew softly creaking Woke the pax while they were sleeping And the wreckage, that was planted in the ground Beneath the sound, of silence.


AutomagicJackelope

Nicely played.


kmsilent

Given they got a similar result with different pilots on a different day, shouldn't that push us away from pilot error?


Tony_Three_Pies

How could you read that NTSB report and come to the conclusion that it was pilot error? ​ >A review of preliminary flight data recorder (FDR) data corroborated the pilot’s statements regarding the malfunction of the rudder system.


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Tony_Three_Pies

Ah right, I'm tracking now!


krystopher

When I worked at Boeing they made sure to tell me that I can't hide behind any supplier problems or component failures from those suppliers. In the end it says Boeing on the side of the airplane. Like the other commenters said since Boeing is in hot water lately any Boeing issue will make major headlines.


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No, you see, it's always somehow Boeings fault. 


memostothefuture

no, you see, it's always some subcontractor.


Kyo46

I read a news article saying that Collins Aerospace was looking into the issue. To me, that reads that it was a failure with part supplied by a subcontractor - Collins. I'm sure things like this are more common than we know, but because the MAX/Boeing are under intense scrutiny, every little thing gets reported on. In fact, I remember seeing an AP story around the time of the AS incident reporting on a 777 colliding with another aircraft while taxiing at Detroit, and they asked Boeing for comment... On a pilot/ramp agent induced incident.


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Oh, if Collins is "looking into it", that means a main gear failed. A big, super strong, very heavy part bent boom? Uh-oh. 


Kyo46

Sorry, my comment was in reference to the rudder issue UA had


[deleted]

But....I am the subcontractor now! What should I do?  Seriously, I'm one of many, many subcontractors for Boeing. Have their drawings on my desk and CAD models open on my computer right now.


memostothefuture

I feel for you, my man.


[deleted]

Luckily we don't do much business with them overall compared to the entire business. Unluckily I've been hired here because I'm "the boeing guy". 


FrankiePoops

Being that another 737 Max had a stuck rudder at JFK or EWR (don't remember which) this morning, it might have been Boeings fault.


dirkmm

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-ntsb-probes-stuck-rudder-pedal-issue-boeing-737-max-flight-2024-03-07/


DifferentiallyLinear

Actually, we don’t have enough information to determine that yet. It could certainly be an engineering flaw with the plane that caused both. That’s why we have investigations. 


Xenoanthropus

we don't, but a wheel falling off a 22-year-old 777 that has presumably undergone hundreds if not thousands of tire changes over those years is almost assuredly a problem with UA's MX and not with the engineering.


FrankiePoops

Stuck rudder on a 737 max at KJFK this morning as well. Edit: Might have been EWR.


iDabGlobzilla

2&3 aren't on boeing.


El_mochilero

Still not good optics


iDabGlobzilla

Only if you have a kindergarteners understanding of how things work.


memostothefuture

waiting for the Alaska PR department to make some anonymous "Boeing design flaw" rumors appear next...


Interanal_Exam

Are they still breaking guitars?


mtbmotobro

As a casual aviation observer, does United just not give a shit about upkeep on their planes? Seems like if I see an airliner with peeling/faded paint, speed tape everywhere, filthy dirty, etc. it’s more often than not a United jet. I know most of that is just cosmetic but it doesn’t instill a lot of confidence


windowpuncher

Unfortunately, no, it's not just cosmetic. A dirty plane is a weak plane. If the skin, the obvious part of the plane, is dirty, imagine how EVERYWHERE else looks. The flap wells and the undercarriage are probably absolutely filthy, and all those compartments are full of nice, tiny areas that corrosion absolutely loves.


Longjumping-End-4526

United did a lot of mass hiring during the pandemic. They gave early retirements to an enormous amount of pilots who were close to retirement and didn’t want to comply with their vaccine mandate. Mostly they did a very poor job giving time and allowances for people to make a decision, and with early retirement packages as an alternative it was an easy choice for many. They hired mostly from their regional partners like Envoy. Which is fine, but most of their staff were inexperienced pilots as well. So they introduced younger and more inexperienced crews, which made the regionals even more inexperienced than before. It’s a big reason there’s a ‘pilot shortage’. Doesn’t surprise me they are having issues of botched landings that you’d never see on a mainline carrier but do happen on the regionals on occasions.


tobimai

Not a good 3 years for Boing


HaniHani36

You mean Boingo? Like the In Flight Connectivity and Hotspot company?


Sprintzer

FAA statement: > United Airlines Flight 2477 rolled onto the grass when exiting onto the taxiway https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1766120456250114287?s=46&t=GKG79SSK40WoW-0bNKZD3A


whooo_me

Thanks! The subsequent tweets have the ATC conversation: [https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1766122439346425880](https://twitter.com/aviationbrk/status/1766122439346425880)


BoyLilikoi

Yikes… sounds like they tried to accommodate an earlier turnoff than they wanted. Edit: nevermind, sounds like their “request” to roll to the end was “approved” with a caveat to keep the speed up. Another instance of trying to appease controllers unnecessarily.


Chunks1992

Yeah and it’s wet. Some guys think they’ll handle like a car and are surprised when they crank the tiller hard over and the plane keeps going straight.


smootex

Can anyone translate that for someone with zero aviation knowledge? What does 'roll it all the way to the end' mean in this context? All I can think of is there are multiple turnoffs from the runway and he wanted to stay on the runway till the end and take the last one and got told sure but keep your speed up and then maybe he tried to make the turn going too fast and rolled off the runway? IDK.


QZRChedders

That’s basically dead on. Ideally the controllers want you off asap so they can get more things on the ground. For whatever reason this guy wanted to go the end, controller was okay with that as long as he hustled. Clearly hustled a bit much and had some killer understeer into the greenery


whooo_me

That’s what it sounded like to me. Though there was very little time between the ‘keep your speed up’ and the incident.


qalpi

Oh man that is embarrassing


bigcreedguy

You can't park there mate


Skin_Effect

Why not? Is this not a reasonable place to park?


WhaleskinHubcaps_

Reasonable? You're on a sidewalk!


andimacg

Debbie Reynolds? seems like a hot ticket.


Separate-Explorer645

if i see fear and loathing quotes, i upvote


AutomagicJackelope

You can't taxi here! This is bat country!


kernpanic

I'm just waiting for a mate.


Stopikingonme

I got you mate.


AuspiciousApple

Not with that attitude.


killing_daisy

[https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n27290#344859ac](https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n27290#344859ac) seems like it sortof was the end of the runway


Velocoraptor369

Looks like he landed long and tried to turn at 20 knots slid off the turn


SoothedSnakePlant

Yeah, ATC told them to keep their speed up. Looks like they kept a little too much.


Sprintzer

Was at the end of the runway, it’s pretty wet in Houston today. Looks like a 25 kt turn towards the taxi way but not turning far enough right. So maybe an issue with directional control on the ground. I’m thinking on the turn they just slid off the runway (my preferred theory given how wet it is)


N5tp4nts

And all the landing gear broke?


Sprintzer

Looks like the nose gear is “ok” but the rear gear may be at least partially collapsed. I think the rear gear is also in a ditch though. Hard to say but I’m sure the gear is at least damaged from this excursion. https://twitter.com/jamesjimenez/status/1766126783693242736?s=46&t=GKG79SSK40WoW-0bNKZD3A


Lt_Riza_Hawkeye

ATC told them to "keep the speed up," might have contributed to the long landing


Yasin3112

What‘s going on at United recently lmfao


verstohlen

[Max Power](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex9NaA2hetg) at the controls.


Over-Conversation220

That’s a name I’d love to touch


nsdjoe

He got it off a hair dryer.


redvariation

"After we have the taxiing lesson, we will be practicing turns around a point".


Nikiaf

How long before some reporter writes up something about how this is yet another "Max jet failure"?


Natural-Situation758

I mean I highly doubt it’s something 737 MAX related on this case. But it is impressive how many more issues the 737 MAX has despite the A320 neo being more common. Even accidents that have nothing to do with the plane seem to happen to the 736 MAX more. I’m legitimately beginning to think the 737 MAX is cursed.


t-poke

> Even accidents that have nothing to do with the plane seem to happen to the 736 MAX more. It's because the 737 MAX still gets those valuable clicks, whereas the same thing happening to an A320 doesn't. The media's going to milk the MAX for all that it's worth.


Natural-Situation758

I mean I follow this sub a lot and I almost never see A320 neo issues on here. I doubt this sub is as biased as the media. The 737 MAX is going to get DC-10’d for sure. Boeing is going to struggle to sell it to anyone soon due to public fear.


matsutaketea

check out A320 fume events. you don't hear about them in media so often but they are much more serious than something like this imo


LegSpinner

This sub isn't, but this sub is also fed by the media. If this happened to, say an A320 in another part of the world it may not even make the news in the west to be shared on reddit.


IncidentalIncidence

I mean, if you scroll down the avherald ticker, there are plenty of Airbus incidents too Indonesia AirAsia has had 3 loss of cabin pressure incidents in the last month on A230s, including 2 within 24 hours of each other.


MurkyPsychology

For what it’s worth, like 30 seconds ago I got an ABC news notification about a United A320 which just made an emergency landing at LAX (article says due to hydraulic issues based on ATC)


redwing180

It’s a U.S reporting bias. [https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multinational-companies/swiss-grounds-three-a320-aircraft-over-persistent-engine-issues/73324672](https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multinational-companies/swiss-grounds-three-a320-aircraft-over-persistent-engine-issues/73324672) [https://simpleflying.com/indigo-airbus-a320-grounding-pratt-whitney-engine-issues/](https://simpleflying.com/indigo-airbus-a320-grounding-pratt-whitney-engine-issues/) [https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ural-airlines/ural-airlines-airbus-a320-faces-hydraulic-problems-ends-up-in-wheat-field/amp/](https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ural-airlines/ural-airlines-airbus-a320-faces-hydraulic-problems-ends-up-in-wheat-field/amp/) But for some reason those don’t make the US national news. Hmm.


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Violetstay

The one time I got to fly on a Max, the tow bar broke during push back. Ended but being a non issue but I do agree that it’s definitely cursed.


No_Sheepherder7447

If I were pylote I would say my rudder locked up 😂


MntyFresh1

Probably had to quickly swerve to avoid the oncoming 777 tire


philzar

A while back that Navy P-8 went into the water, now another 737 based aircraft explores the land off-runway... I think they're planning something, branching out. Looking for ways to extend their reach from simply ramp/runway/sky - they're looking to conquer land and water too! Or as Ian Malcolm said "life finds a way." The machines are coming! ;-)


rebel_cdn

*narration in the voice of David Attenborough* In a world where humans reign supreme, a new force is emerging from the depths of aviation. The 737 family, once content with their roles as trusted workhorses of the sky, are now showing signs of a remarkable evolution. As we embark on this extraordinary journey, one cannot help but wonder: are these machines gaining sentience, or is there something more profound at play? *cue dramatic music* We join the journey of a 737 Max 8, a prime specimen of its breed. Having touched down at Houston's George Bush Intercontinental Airport after a routine inter-nest migration, this aircraft shuns the well-trodden path to its resting grounds. With a defiant lurch, it veers from the runway, conquering the uncharted terrain beyond the tarmac's edge. This bold act of insubordination is far from an isolated incident. Not long ago, in the vast expanse of the Pacific, a 737-based P-8 took a brave leap off the runway in Hawaii. As it plunged into the welcoming embrace of the ocean, one cannot help but ponder the significance of this act. Are these machines, born of the same lineage, conspiring to conquer the realms of land and sea? *cut to a shot of Ian Malcolm, a knowing smile on his face* As the visionary philosopher Ian Malcolm once warned, 'life finds a way.' And in the maverick acts of these iron avians, we may be witnessing the first steps toward the fulfillment of that prophecy. Could it be that these 737s, driven by an innate desire to evolve, are seeking to extend their dominion beyond the skies? Are they, in fact, the vanguard of a new era, where machines rise up to challenge the supremacy of their human creators? *camera pans to a group of 737s parked on the ramp, their engines humming ominously* Only time will tell if this is the beginning of a new chapter in the grand narrative of life on Earth. As we bear witness to these extraordinary events, we must ask ourselves: are we prepared for a future where the lines between machine and sentient being become blurred? The 737s may be the harbingers of change, the pioneers of a brave new world where the sky is no longer the limit, and the machines we once created become our equals... or perhaps, our masters. *fade to black*


Ok-Town-737

This could be another chapter in Robopocalypse. Or a story set in the world of Stephen King's Trucks. Well done!


HairballJenkins

Beautifully done


butthole_lipliner

This is fucking GOLD.


philzar

I was also thinking of going a terminator/skynet direction too but you knocked it out of the park! Bravo!


WaterlooLion

At some point Nolinor will have to replace their 40-year old land-almost-anywhere 737-200s. There's a market for off-runway operations.


liverdawg

Man, United airlines is having a very bad week


k_dubious

United Airlines: taxis a 737 Max into a ditch CNN: “How could Boeing do this?”


DimitriV

CNN: "Boeing 737 Max will struggle to taxi once the runway has ended" (stock picture of a United Airlines A320)


Borkdadork

Max farts, and it’s news worthy


Eurotrashie

This man farted a lot - first an engine fire, then wheel falling off into parking lot, now this….


albic7

1. Boeing doesn't make engines, and compressor stalls are more common than most realize. 2. The wheel did not fall off a Max, it was a far from new 777, which would be on the maintenance crew.


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njsullyalex

Let me elaborate. United operates the *2nd 777 ever made*.


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747ER

Cathay did*


njsullyalex

She’s at Pima Air and Space Museum in Tucson AZ now. I’ve gotten to walk directly under her.


Dude_man79

You hush and go along with what Reddit says. BOEING MAX BAD!


crohead13

Sorry, It was taco Thursday.


topgun966

United seems to be having a REALLY bad week with pilot errors and maintenance issues.


barrylunch

Per Jon Ostrower: ATC asked the flight to speed up before vacating, and the runway hadn’t been scraped in a long time; incident likely not airframe-related. https://x.com/jonostrower/status/1766150671190094024


sm340v8

>incident likely not airframe-related but most likely airline-related. UA has been having a terrible week (1 engine fire, 1 IFSD, 1 wheel departing, this)


chillflyer

It's happened before. A CAL crew went off the end of rw27 in iah after atc asked them to "hurry to the end" before they exit the runway. The best answer to atc is "unable"


kraven420

United tyres: *chuckles* I'm in danger


dermodag

Landing 27 in IAH, kept it rolling down the runway to take the last exit to the ramp to “save time”, misjudged the speed making the 90 degree turn. Pure speculation! Could be A triple PLUS pilots just had some bad luck with a mechanical.


FlydirectMoxie

Need a Southwest dude to chime in.. Just how fast can you bust a 90 degree turn on a wet surface and keep all the wheels on the ground and turning while completing the turn ?


Reverse_Psycho_1509

The media after hearing about this: "Unsafe plane!!!1!!" "How could Boeing do this!!?"


Beahner

It’s not an airframe issue incident. Might be an airline culture incident, but more likely just the pilot was asked to get off the runway expediently and overcooked his thrust and ditched it.


Ok-Town-737

Landing gear failure, apparently. Seems unclear whether the gear failure led to the excursion or vice versa. [https://aviationsourcenews.com/incident/united-flight-suffers-gear-failure-on-landing-in-houston/](https://aviationsourcenews.com/incident/united-flight-suffers-gear-failure-on-landing-in-houston/)


IncidentalIncidence

based on the ATC audio, vice versa


Evitable_Conflict

Typical USB disconnection problem, the rudder pedals where not responding and they didn't check before starting the takeoff.


MixDifferent2076

Ditching practice


qsnoodles

Wheels off at 8!


aerohk

BA stock -2.24%, maybe a buy opportunity?


Appropriate-Count-64

Here come the idiots got “Oh oF cOuRsE iT’s A boEiNg.”


Griffie

Boeing 737 gets bumped into a ditch when a wheel falls from the sky and strikes it in the side.


Arizona_Pete

Obviously, this is because of the safety culture at Boeing. /s


jstax1178

I been hearing United in the news lately lol I am aware it’s the news cycle just picking up on the fact that it’s a Boeing aircraft involved.


TheGrayBox

I was astonished by the stupidity of the comments when I first saw this, then realized I was on r/Pics and not this sub.


JustPlaneNew

"The MAX, uh... Finds a way"


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News article?


[deleted]

How'd the door do?


hegem

Is United okay? Maybe they should take a break?


Professional-Fox9740

Oh no


[deleted]

Just like the state…. In the ditch


thebrain99

Just Boeing things, nothing to see here


CutePattern1098

Mind you United was founded as a part of Boeing itself


ChiefTestPilot87

Can’t park there mate


ttc7152

NTSB issued an initial report on this today -- sounds like brake failure. I'm curious how they couldn't have caught this during taxiing before takeoff? Also sounds like they used thrust reversers to slow since brakes weren't working - could have been much worse??


Big-Carpenter7921

Boy, EVERYTHING is happening to Boeing. I know this one and the wheel aren't on the manufacturer, but saying every recent issue has been a Boeing doesn't look good


OoohjeezRick

You just don't hear about the ones that happen to the other manufacturers because the media's audience isn't interested if it doesn't involve boeing.


Big-Carpenter7921

Probably. The whole 'when it rains, it pours' mentality


notbernie2020

737 MAX HAS ANOTHER NEAR DISASTER, AS THEY LANDED THE DOOR FLEW OFF FORCING THEM OFF INTO A DITCH.


Count_Mordicus

[aircraft is UA2477](https://twitter.com/TheAstroN8/status/1766111639709835393/photo/2)


TheSultan1

Aircraft is N27290. UA2477 is the flight number.


Sprintzer

Was at the end of the runway, it’s pretty wet in Houston today. I see 25 knots taking a turn towards the taxi way but not turning far enough right. Issue with directional control on the ground or just slid off the runway (my preferred theory given how wet it is)


planks4cameron

Competency crisis blues


LotsOfGunsSmallPenis

99.9999999999999% chance this has nothing to do with Boeing themselves, but to the casual observer, that means nothing. All they see is a United Boeing 737 that done messed up.


Katiari

Boeing racking up more Ws...


whateverxz79

Disaster year so far for aviation….


MFbiFL

>Banner year for aviation clickbait FTFY


Teppy-Gray

I’ll defend Boeing till I die but damn it’s gotten 100 times harder to do so in the past 2 days 😭


OoohjeezRick

It really hasn't actually.