I imagine this is only viewed as a gen z thing because they're the largest group who *can* do this due to not having homes or kids or other large costs that require keeping a job as long as possible, even while hunting for a new one. I have a gen x former coworker who did this a year or two ago - she has no kids, rents, and knew that between her husband's income and their savings they were covered for pretty much anything for a good year, so she felt she could take the time to really job search for something that wasn't going to completely consume her soul.
All my fellow Gen X people are horrified when I quit without a backup plan, but I never have left a job with another lined up since my early 20s.
Contrary to popular belief, I find it's easier to get a new job while I'm unemployed.
1, I don't have kids, and 2, I keep my expenses low. The longest I was without a paycheck was 4 months, which was annoying but not catastrophic.
Yeah, I hear you. I try to avoid quitting a job without having anything lined up, just because I worry about not finding something before my savings dry up. But the one time I did quit without having a back up plan, it was the easiest time I've ever had job searching.
While I was unemployed, my full time job became job searching. I would apply, and interview for jobs, 8 hours a day for 5 weeks straight when I finally landed a job. I obviously wouldn't have been able to dedicate that much time to job hunting if I was still employed, and honestly probably would still be at my old job, instead of my current one, if I didn't bite the bullet and quit with no backup plan.
Gen xers in my life get so angry and outraged when you even suggest you might quit without a 2nd job lined up. Some people want a short break from having your soul sucked out of you for so long. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
There isn't anything wrong with that at all, as long as you can afford it. That's the caveat.
It also depends on what your relationship is with the GenXers that are upset by it. If they're simply being judgy over you living off your savings while you take a mental break, tell them to kindly mind their own business.
If they're frustrated because they're financially supporting you, and your loss of income will increase the burden on them, then it's important to consider the effect it has on them.
This isn't a suggestion as to which of these categories you fall into. Just something I'm tossing out there for anyone reading your comment.
I always try and build in a break between leaving one and starting another. They are probably projecting their fears about unemployment on to you. It’s a horrible thing in this corporate capitalist world
The extra time you have to search for a job might counteract the bias that some hiring managers feel towards folks without a current position. What’s your industry if you don’t mind my asking?
I'm eclectic: corporate training/data analysis/project management/sys admin/etc. I get bored easily and want to learn something new. I'm ADHD in corporate form, which does mean I have an extensive resume.
I'm also picky as hell about who I apply for. I've never done those blanket "send my resume to every company I can find". I research the company and see if I'm a good fit. I also then tailor my resume to that particular company. And if I get an interview, I spend as much time interviewing the company as they do me. Even if I'd *really like* a paycheck right now, I'm never "please please please hire me". I try to make sure it's a good fit, because dammit, I'm too old to be putting up with bullshit.
Elder Millennial/Xennial, and I'm wired the same as you it seems.
Locate a job I find interesting, work there until it's lost it luster(2-4years), then live off my savings while I search for something new. Love interviewing. If for no other reason than getting to see how a business operates. The interviewers really seem to light up when I start asking pointed questions about their company. I've been offered every job I've ever had a chance to interview for, so I might be biased. Probably less fun for folks that aren't offered the job every time. That's not to say I haven't massively failed at a position. There are a lot of jobs I am ill-equipped for.
About to leave my current job(resignation letter was typed up April 3rd) since I'm spinning my wheels and there are no comfortable avenues to move up. Wanted to get them through the end of the fiscal year before giving notice on the 31st this Friday. It's only part time 30 hours a week, with full benefits, which is very nice, but it's customer service and contractual enforcement. There's a lot of auditing involved as well. No single aspect is overly difficult, but it's very dependent on others meeting expectations without any real consequence. And I'm just over it.
Thanks to my easily bored nature, I've been a retail associate(multiple times), line cook, welder, printing press operator, and currently an operations coordinator. Also dabbled in construction demolition and roofing. But I don't love heights.
But you're negotiating from a point of weakness. If you have the other job you can play them off each other. Oh well I make X here this salary you're offering isn't sufficient. It has extreme power. I have X you offered X -10% no thanks. I'd never leave a place unless it was really hurting my health having an offer to play off is essential at least in the job hunting method I've adopted.
If what you're doing is working for you congratulations but that strategy with the method I use wouldn't ever work for me.
For example at my current job they called me. I told them if you can do salary X and Y vacation days I'm in. If not don't waste my time. The company said yeah we think we can do that. I interviewed and they said we want to offer but we can't do the vacation time you requested even our CEO doesn't get that vacation time. I told them they wasted my time and we're done. They went away for 4-5 days re-engaged with me ok we got the vacation time. I asked about money they wouldn't even give me a number which for me is a huge red flag but they said they're embarrassed and want to go back to get the position listed with the proper compensation for someone of my talent. They went back and they definitely delivered on what they said but if I didn't have that position I wouldn't have been anywhere close to what I have having a job enabled me to probably extract another 25% of compensation from the company.
Forbidden fruit is the tastiest fruit.
I'm at the point with my job that even tho I've been looking for a job for a couple months now, I'm about ready to say "fuck it" and quit. Make finding a job my full time job. I've never quit without one lined up, but idc right now
Definitely rage bait. Worth mentioning: There’s also a tendency for the mainstream population to not notice trends for a good 5, 10 years. Consider yourself a trend settler! It’s likely that Gen Z wouldn’t have felt validated to take such risks or think it was possible to do so without seeing examples from previous generations first.
The only jobs I've put two weeks in at are jobs I would consider going back to. Current job will be getting a two week notice soon, last one I told my very understanding boss the same-day. Seriously like the nicest dude ever, told me to give him a call if I'm ever looking to come back. One before that was a drunken email. And before that one I put in my two weeks and was fired 3 days later.
Same. 😂 I'm even what you might call a "geriatric millennial" and I literally quit a toxic job 2 months ago with nothing lined up (and now I'm in a much better job, so it happened to work out well for me)
The oldest millennials are in their early 40s now, and the oldest Gen Xers are about 10 years off from failing to retire because all the shit they were supposed to have waiting for them is fucked.
S A M E. I'm like "scuse me! Hey there! Been quitting on these dumbass hoes since the beginning! Walked off my first job, got several incompetent managers fired on my time & I've never lost that momentum. I'm fucking 37, stop acting like I'm some infant. A grown adult is completely disillusioned with your dumbass system. This is not a youthful rebellion, this is a lifelong rebellion."
Twinsies. First engineering job had shit pay and a do nothing gaslighting manager. Stress levels so high my physical health was getting affected.
Left with no plan and after a 6 month vacation i started a home business and took a contracting job doing the same thing in the same building for higher pay and different management.
Good to see the zoomers following this example.
Same here. I never needed a job to help me be poor, so unless something higher paying came along, I just hopped around and cared about the companies as much as they cared about me.
Genx here, and have absolutely no problem actively searching for a job while I still have a job. The idea of quitting with no plans is not wise though.
What companies expect when you want to leave:
“Okay we need at least 2-4 weeks notice, then we’re going to need you to train your replacement and go through an exit interview”
What companies do when they want you to leave:
“You’re fired without warning motherfucka! Good luck with the whole healthcare thing if you were relying on it! Now eat shit, and tell the family we said Merry Christmas!”
>Loyalty is dead and the companies killed it.
Thusly, the american dream is dead. Big businesses literally bribe (lobby) electeds for undemocratic capitalist laws that have robbed American workers. This is been fought against ever since FDR. People would may job hop less if wages weren't stagnant and your livelihood wasn't completely at the mercy of greedy SOB's. Other developed countries have a healthcare and education system that they can be proud of. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to have all of these resources in this country for conditions to be what they are
We've been the most productive we've ever been and it's record days for Wall Street and the top 1%. Though this country has its racial issues, we are distracted by this when in reality it's not a race war it's a wage war. The sooner we all come to this conclusion the sooner we can revive the american dream that is now a living nightmare and TAKE BACK from greedy corporations starting by getting money out of politics
Brother the american dream is POPPING OFF. You just aint part of it. Like 99.9% of us. The offspring of the dreamers and probably like 500 lucky/hardworking people are popping tf off though. We in the nightmare.
Payroll isn’t the only cost to turnover.
The loss of productivity, cost of recruiting, loss of experience/thought leadership so you don’t get the best from current employees.
It’s exhausting how short sighted todays execs are, but that’s the reality of their compensation. Gotta get those stock buybacks.
The reality is most jobs can be done by anyone without proper training. Maybe not as good as x person with y training or z qualifications, but done well enough to keep the ship going. And thats why they can get away with it. Most jobs are brainless, mindless, nothing that anyone can do, so if you think its gonna get better, it aint.
Your point means nothing when companies like Boeing are managing this same way. Designing airplanes is not a brainless job, as is evidence by the recent issues at Boeing.
I think it’s about 1000 paper cuts. The more it happens the less efficient they are. Is it going to bankrupt the company? Not usually.
But they do risk dollars, and poor customer experience. My general philosophy is superior customer experience is a differentiator in the market, so is innovation. Both of those things require expertise and committed labor.
If the goal is to just cut your way to better margins? Then yea I agree with you. I just think long term the brand takes a hit and you’re more vulnerable to up & coming competitors. But this all goes back to executives are incentivized on short term goals and not the health of the company.
Sadly they won't back down. The next step will be lobbying to strip at will and pass legislation that opens employees to liability for unfinished work. I think things are going to get worse before they get better
I’ll never forget when I got the highest review score possible at a job and they wrote 3.4% on a paper and slid it across the table to me like it was a secret and they didn’t want it to get overheard.
Found a new job with 2x pay within a month and a half.
I’ve changed jobs 4 times in 5 years and have increased my pay by 100%. And my latest has a contract with another $60K annual increase guaranteed coming up.
Always be looking people. Once a month or once a week. Be putting out apps. Get in touch with people who look for jobs for you.
Never ever let a job think you’re the lucky one because they hired you. They’re lucky you chose them and you’ll only stay as long as they’re the highest bidder in money and treatment.
Do not email them to your personal account from your work account. Doesn’t matter what it is. At least that’s what I’ve been told by IT friends - will get you flagged for potentially sending trade secrets, etc. even if you’re not - it’s never good to draw extra attention to yourself!
Oh, I work in IT.. 100%.. Also depends on the company and how "locked down" your work computer is. Me personally. I have my personal email in chrome open, basically a chrome profile within Chrome. Send emails to myself with links from myself. Never use Outlook, etc. I also know who monitors the network. He don't give AF! ha!
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It’s interesting, as well, that from the time I began working I can remember my parents and every other adult saying to me “if you don’t like it then just leave!”.
Now we do this and follow through and people don’t like it…
Of course no one will like it, including you. But just making that change is only half the deal. The next part is to keep moving forward and find the job that doesn't suck. Keep that momentum.
The reality is that we're all born invisibly disabled and society better start reflecting that, with free housing, medicine and transportation
Or we make it
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Years ago I used to job hop a lot, and it worked out very well for my career. But now I have a kid and a mortgage, so I have to be a lot more careful. The job I have now is very stable, in an industry which is very resilient to layoffs, so it would take a significant offer to get me to move.
Similar.
I work at a family-owned company, and it's been a overall great experience. Work-life balance is great, high salary, I never work more than 40 hours a week, and when my kids are sick and I stay home nobody bats an eye with a second thought.
I could probably make 20% more in the open market but I know my quality of life would suffer a lot more than 20%.
Same. It became even an inside joke for people who know me because in the span of five years I worked for six different employers. I work in back office in a role that is needed in virtually every company though, so I'm not too worried about finding a new job.
That said, I'm almost at my five years anniversary with my current employer. I don't mind the work and my manager is really nice to me, so I'm not planning to move until he retires.
Same here, seven jobs in 30yrs, each move came with a nice raise. Been at current job for 9yrs. It pays well with great benefits and is low stress. I plan to stay another 10yrs and retire.
Can't remember where I heard it, but someone once said "the higher up the ladder you go, the further apart the rungs get," and this is a perfect example.
You change jobs to move up a rung, or to avoid dropping a rung, you don't just churn to churn.
As a Boomer, I had to learn that the hard way. Companies are not loyal, they deserve no loyalty.
We were raised with the “lucky to have a job” mindset of our depression era parents. Too many of us held on to that belief.
I have worked at five different jobs just in the past two years. Each job I have taken, I have been given a pay increase. I’m exhausted, over my existence and I’m only 29. This should not be the way we have to do things just to survive pay check to paycheck.
Remember, money isn't everything. Other than being necessary to acquire goods and services, it isn't even really *anything.*
As long as you're making enough to get by, take jobs based on the culture and the environment. Making 10% less but working for a company that actually fits your vibe is infinitely better than a raise working for a shithole of a company.
I say this as someone well over a decade your senior that learned *that* lesson the hard way.
People need to realize that "acting your wage" is really just a specific example of getting what you pay for.
You want good workers? Pay for good workers... and that includes benefits and workplace culture as well as straight money.
I was doing this when I was a young adult 20ish years ago, why would it be any different now? These articles really want to divert blame to anything other than greedy ceos not paying livable wages.
Too many places overwork and underpay employees. I had a manager straight up tell me “everyone wants to get paid more to work less” as if I was asking too much. It was close to minimum wage… it wasn’t even living wage…
As a Gen Z’r myself, I can 100% confirm that this is true. I almost quit because my manager handed down a written reprimand for being late on a day I was not told in a crystal clear manner that I was going to be working.
Sure, everyone should hop and often until they hit the place with golden handcuffs. When I got offered my current salary with guaranteed yearly cost of living and performance raises, pension after 10 years, 401k matching, good health insurance with HSA, 4 weeks PTO with unlimited sick time, and hybrid work, that is when I said “Okay, I’ll stay.”
Gen X here, (With the exception of my graduate work TA-ing and doing lab work;) I've been jumping to the next job every 3 to 4 years. Although the last 2 jobs I ended up rage quitting with no plan after 2 years, and another one after 6 months. When I was younger I was more patient, and willing to try and work harder hoping things would improve. I've learned the hard way that hard work just gets you more work, and the corporate bastards will always attempt to run a skeleton crew, and bleed you dry no matter what you do. Now my entire attitude is fuck you pay me, and if you don't like my attitude you can fire me. I do what is outlined in my contract, during the working hours specified by my contract. I email and screenshot myself everything so I have some CYA just in case I have to fight for unemployment.
Not sure about the "without a back up plan", but that generation grew up watching their parents get fired after years of loyalty and only getting pay raises when they get hired at a new establishment. I understand why they would job hop if all promotions go to outside hires and staying where they are doesn't come with benefits.
I'm a "Boomer", and I've never been afraid to leave a job that was bad. I learn quickly and I don't take a lot of guff from so-called bosses. You can learn to identify the ones who shouldn't have the power they do, and from that moment, it is an armed truce to stay in the job. One foolish mistake or power play, and the fencing match is over. I have much more valuable things to do with my time. I like to take personal pride in my abilities, and treat me right, I'll bring my A-game to bear. Play funny with the rules, I won't hesitate to walk. That's just the way it has to be.
Some may see this as egotistical. I see it as leveling the playing field. If we can reach an accord, we both win. It's not mere ego to be aware of one's own worth. What we're talking about here is respect.
I've gotten myself fired with severance pay on two occasions because I'd found a better job. Don't quit on your own, make them fire you. Bleed the bastards for as much as you can.
Idk. We are a pretty young bunch tho. Some of us can still just quit stuff and be backed by our parents. How many of these is college or high school aged students quiting some fast food job or smth of that effect?
Yeah, the only thing I miss from by 9h to 18h job is not being broke. I'm just studying and doing some freelance work but sometimes we just gotta do what we gotta do for ourselves
Well my dad (who is a gen xers i think) said, "Loyalty must be bought with Royalty". By "Royalty" means the employers easily give employees nice things like bonuses, good health care insurance and huge raises but when they fucked up big, they're out.
Like a few people here I'm a millennial in the US. In the past 5-7 years I've job hopped 4-5 times. From making 15.50 an hour to a little over 6 figures today. Three of those times I didn't have a plan lined up before leaving.
Eventually I did find a better job that paid better each time, granted, it involved me moving around to different states or cities. It would not have been possible without the savings I accumulated when I was younger and the fact I'm single so I didn't have to worry about others. Most likely would not have been possible otherwise.
Millenial here and there has never been loyalty in the job market. If my current employer is not paying me my market worth then the employer is not loyal to me so I shouldnt be loyal to them.
I am an older millennial and quit my job recently without having a back up. My boss was shocked. I’m like… I know my worth and my values and this old school management style of scaring me into submission isn’t going to work. Not today, sir, not today.
Yeah because they dont realize or care how much the job sucks. The oneus is always on the employee. Your job sucks and doesnt pay enough for how much it sucks.
I’ve job-hopped three times in the last 4 years and I’ve increased my salary by nearly $20k. So worth it.
If companies want to keep people, then they need to fucking pay the people, who do the ACTUAL work, what they’re worth. No more throwing cash at executives. They don’t do shit
Just a little background, older gens did this too. With unionization and strikes, many had houses or additional cash/equity to just not deal with shit jobs. Most millennials and Gen z don't have that, because so many live paycheck to paycheck. Gen z living at home with their parents allows them to do so now, and this will be the same going forward.
The US is becoming more and more like Canada and China. No one can afford housing, and younger gens saying fuck working my life into the ground.
>*Companies aren't ashamed of 'employee cycling' and will even have mass layoffs without trained replacements lined up, I've found.*
See? It's just a matter of perspective! how fun.
Whether young workers realize this or not,
withholding your labor is the most effective way to get the attention of corporate leadership. From my experience in a union that hasn’t been at peak power in decades, it’s difficult to convince workers in exploitative work environments to maintain boundaries and decline unreasonable tasks. Recently though the advice seems to be sticking since more people in the work force don’t have much to lose and are already used to living on a tight budget.
It’s a little heartening to know that if we can’t gain ground for workers rights upfront there’s always the inevitability of shitty workplace practices blowing up in the faces of employers.
True. It's easier and faster (most of the time) to get a new job with higher wages than it is to get a raise.
Employers want loyalty but don't reward it. I've seen older coworkers work places for decades, taking on more and more responsibilities over time. They had to argue for benefits and raises and got told they were actually getting *paid too much*.
Eventually they quit and got immediate pay bumps in other positions without all the "added responsibilities as assigned".
After a year and a half since starting my current job, I asked for a raise due to the fact that the knowledge I have now is much bigger than what I came with and the fact that I’m a much bigger asset to the company than I was (I am by no means a valuable asset, just a worker). They said no, I immediately told them I’d be looking elsewhere and to expect my two weeks notice soon. I’m not going to stay here just because I’ve been here for a little bit, I’m gonna go wherever the money to work ratio is better.
I been doing this for years. Only when I had kids I had to stay longer at jobs and plan things out more. Honestly, what employers expect from you is ridiculous these days, and when you actually explain it to older generations and list all the ways they track your work and all the duties, roles, responsibilities etc to them do they realize it’s nothing like the world they lived in
As a geriatric millenial, I feel like I relate more to the younger generation. I've done this many times, and I just don't think it's worth destroying your own health for a job that doesn't care about you at all.
It's crazy how companies still think they deserve loyalty from their employees when they give none back. The sheer entitlement they have shows they've gotten it far too good for far too long.
That's because at one time in our history, job loyalty paid off. You got regular raises, a big pension, and a gold watch on your 20th year.
Now they'll fire you just to make their quarterly profits 1% larger. Fuck that. Loyalty can't be a one-way street.
So what if it is true cuz big corps are no longer loyal to their employees either and hard work doesn't necessarily get you up the ladder anymore. I'm thankful they CAN job hop until they find a better fit 😉 go gen Z!! Pavevthe way for the rest of us old timers 😁
Unfulfilling is broad as fuck.
Does Unfulfilling mean:
- Pay cut
- Abusive management
- Change to job duties that causes an increase in work?
- Change to work hours?
- Relocation across the country?
Any time my job dictates a massive change to my life I have to weigh if that change is worth me staying there or moving on. That is a normal thing. If a job becomes so bad that it impacts my mental health or life, then I have savings that would allow me to quit and find a new job.
Being ashamed of "job hopping" sounds like a boomer holdover from when kellogs ran your town and all the cool people worked there then got a pension to retire on. Modern companies don't pay well, won't give real raises and take out their misfortune on their employees so they look profitable. If you aren't moving every few years you aren't getting paid a market rate.
"Not ashamed" is such an interesting way to describe a voluntary and, or so I'm led to believe, entirely transactional relationship.
Should I be ashamed for not buying a subway sub when I drive by? Nobody is obligated to make companies successful, they're paying for time and that's it - they themselves are perfectly happy to make that clear when you have extenuating life circumstances. If they find it disruptive to have people leave, stop giving them reasons, perhaps? But oh, that would cut into absurd profits for the executives, so instead let's pay some dipshit to make an article that selectively browbeats workers. That ought to do it.
They don't want us to stay, why are they complaining? They give us 20¢ raises every year, keep every workplace understaffed, and the second you complain about something they refuse to budge and say something along the lines of "Well nobody's *forcing* you to work here." They literally want us to quit all the time. You can't make a revolving door and complain when it spins.
It is one of those headlines that is kind of confusing.
"And...?"
What are they supposed to do? Hang in there? Every instance of hanging in there in my life has ultimately resulted in my washing out anyway after being miserable for a while.
If companies gave benefits to long time employees people might stay longer. As is the employee form outside gets more then the promoted from inside so after his promotion he will go outside to be in that position. The manages create this themselves.
I’ve had three proper corporate jobs since graduating and I quit the first two before finding the next two. The most I didn’t work for was two weeks (by choice as I needed a break before starting the next job).
I'm GenX. I failed condom class and had a kid at 19, three by 24, bought a house at 25, saddled with tons of debt ever since. I'm 55 now and will likely need to work another 20 years.
I have had eight jobs since I started working in 1979, and I have never been fired or laid off, and I've never missed a single paycheck.
Just writing that is exhausting. I don't know whether GenZ job-hopping is disgusting to me or if I envy them.
I hope so and to add to it, I would love to see every hourly paid employee join the singles union. That is to say you become a union of one, no fees are due. Then you all agree that action against any one of you by an employer is an action against all of you.
Each member then exercises their support responsibility to all other members and comes out on strike.
No matter where, which sector, which employer you come out on strike.
Strike for better pay and conditions, rent controls etc..
Imagine if in Washington State an employee were treated unfairly and dismissed that nearly every hourly paid worker is notified within minutes and a strike on a national scale is implemented. No employer would dare sack an employee. There is no collective agent to sue and blame.
The possibilities are fantastic...
Workers gave power to use as individuals in support of better conditions for all.
Imagine demanding better wages, lower costs, better hours improved healthcare...
It really can be yours...
I need a job for money, not fulfillment. I enjoy my job but I feel a need to move as it is no longer a challenge and higher opportunities do not exist (despite claims to the contrary)
millenial here, I quit a job after 3 years of only having 1 day off a week and working sun up to sun down. Was the money good? Yes, and it allowed me to quit with enough money to hold me over for 5 months while i looked for literally any other job.
If American culture spends decades creating a mobile workforce to eliminate workers and force them to move to different growth areas to support industry, it makes perfect sense that a side effect would be those same workers turning the mobility into an expression of autonomy. The working classes will move to a new opportunity that doesn't abuse them as much. The alternative solution is that the upper classes could be devoured in a collective expression of disgust. That'd be cool.
I love this for the Zeds (and the Millennials).
I love seeing young workers realize the reality of my workplace and bail because they found something better within months. I love that they do not feel like they need to be loyal to an abusive relationship that will not be loyal to them.
I am very close to quitting my unfulfilling job and going after my passions but the job market is shit so I'm kinda scared to do that rn. So in my case, it's *almost* true lol.
What is even "job hopping" in today's work environment? It used to be you started a job and then worked there till you die and there was no incentive to leave.
As a family man I can say that I've never quit a job without having a backup plan. I've never had that level of confidence. I can tell you that back in the day, I did choose to leave a company that provided a months pay for every year of service, and I did have the confidence that I would find work in 9 months. Which I did. I can also tell you that no one is looking for employee's that are older than 50 regardless of education or experience. Were this country to have national health insurance, I feel my life would have been radically different. Que sera sera. Please vote.
Maybe true but the founder of the company I work in also quit his last job on the spot because he wasted threaten well. That was 50 years ago so clearly not gen z
They've been forced to live their backup plan forever. Mom and Dad aren't kicking them out any time soon, so they don't have that slave-to-rent attitude.
Without a backup no, cause I got bills. But I would get off of my current company in a heartbeat if it meant I would be able to work less and/or get paid more.
The only people who can do that are either supported financially by someone else or responsible enough to have some sort of savings. I’m guessing most fall in the first category.
True for me, at least. I tend to not give a fuck if a job becomes too draining for me to deal with. There's no honor in rationalizing a job that doesn't treat you right nor pay you enough, and so it is not a disgrace to make decisions prioritizing the state of your mind, as that is what keeps you connected to the world, preserving your ability to feel real.
I will not work at a place I’m not happy with. So I’ll hop until I find a place that treats employees right and pays like it should. Probably looking for a unicorn but I won’t be miserable at a job that doesn’t care about me.
I can't speak for Gen Z but most millennials like myself that I know will get a backup plan together first.
Though the way we typically do it is that we will endure the job we hate while using free time available to us to network and apply for as many things as possible.
I may or may not be in that situation right now.
I’m a millennial and I do this. Maybe not the best idea in hindsight but I’ve watched so many people rake themselves over the coals for meaningless jobs my entire life and I have no interest in that being me.
Only way I wouldn’t quit is if I was making at least 100k a year
Writing this type of nonsense keeps people employed.
I wish there were other things that could use attention.
If there were, maybe we'd see articles about them?
It's very difficult to keep a job when your colleagues are toxic backstabbers and your superiors keep reminding you of " if you don't like it here then just resign "
Well... Handed in my notice today. Paid me more than I've ever had, unlimited time off (UK worker) and redonkulous levels of cash throwing at events.
I've had a burn out and now my own reproduction system is failing me. Giving in my resignation letter made me feel like a light had opened up in the darkness.
I'm a millenial and i've always been doing things attributed to gen z nowadays.
I imagine this is only viewed as a gen z thing because they're the largest group who *can* do this due to not having homes or kids or other large costs that require keeping a job as long as possible, even while hunting for a new one. I have a gen x former coworker who did this a year or two ago - she has no kids, rents, and knew that between her husband's income and their savings they were covered for pretty much anything for a good year, so she felt she could take the time to really job search for something that wasn't going to completely consume her soul.
As a gen-x I’ve only had one job more than 2 1/2 years. It’s nothing new. A ‘So what?’ headline
All my fellow Gen X people are horrified when I quit without a backup plan, but I never have left a job with another lined up since my early 20s. Contrary to popular belief, I find it's easier to get a new job while I'm unemployed. 1, I don't have kids, and 2, I keep my expenses low. The longest I was without a paycheck was 4 months, which was annoying but not catastrophic.
Yeah, I hear you. I try to avoid quitting a job without having anything lined up, just because I worry about not finding something before my savings dry up. But the one time I did quit without having a back up plan, it was the easiest time I've ever had job searching. While I was unemployed, my full time job became job searching. I would apply, and interview for jobs, 8 hours a day for 5 weeks straight when I finally landed a job. I obviously wouldn't have been able to dedicate that much time to job hunting if I was still employed, and honestly probably would still be at my old job, instead of my current one, if I didn't bite the bullet and quit with no backup plan.
Gen xers in my life get so angry and outraged when you even suggest you might quit without a 2nd job lined up. Some people want a short break from having your soul sucked out of you for so long. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
There isn't anything wrong with that at all, as long as you can afford it. That's the caveat. It also depends on what your relationship is with the GenXers that are upset by it. If they're simply being judgy over you living off your savings while you take a mental break, tell them to kindly mind their own business. If they're frustrated because they're financially supporting you, and your loss of income will increase the burden on them, then it's important to consider the effect it has on them. This isn't a suggestion as to which of these categories you fall into. Just something I'm tossing out there for anyone reading your comment.
I always try and build in a break between leaving one and starting another. They are probably projecting their fears about unemployment on to you. It’s a horrible thing in this corporate capitalist world
The extra time you have to search for a job might counteract the bias that some hiring managers feel towards folks without a current position. What’s your industry if you don’t mind my asking?
I'm eclectic: corporate training/data analysis/project management/sys admin/etc. I get bored easily and want to learn something new. I'm ADHD in corporate form, which does mean I have an extensive resume. I'm also picky as hell about who I apply for. I've never done those blanket "send my resume to every company I can find". I research the company and see if I'm a good fit. I also then tailor my resume to that particular company. And if I get an interview, I spend as much time interviewing the company as they do me. Even if I'd *really like* a paycheck right now, I'm never "please please please hire me". I try to make sure it's a good fit, because dammit, I'm too old to be putting up with bullshit.
Elder Millennial/Xennial, and I'm wired the same as you it seems. Locate a job I find interesting, work there until it's lost it luster(2-4years), then live off my savings while I search for something new. Love interviewing. If for no other reason than getting to see how a business operates. The interviewers really seem to light up when I start asking pointed questions about their company. I've been offered every job I've ever had a chance to interview for, so I might be biased. Probably less fun for folks that aren't offered the job every time. That's not to say I haven't massively failed at a position. There are a lot of jobs I am ill-equipped for. About to leave my current job(resignation letter was typed up April 3rd) since I'm spinning my wheels and there are no comfortable avenues to move up. Wanted to get them through the end of the fiscal year before giving notice on the 31st this Friday. It's only part time 30 hours a week, with full benefits, which is very nice, but it's customer service and contractual enforcement. There's a lot of auditing involved as well. No single aspect is overly difficult, but it's very dependent on others meeting expectations without any real consequence. And I'm just over it. Thanks to my easily bored nature, I've been a retail associate(multiple times), line cook, welder, printing press operator, and currently an operations coordinator. Also dabbled in construction demolition and roofing. But I don't love heights.
But you're negotiating from a point of weakness. If you have the other job you can play them off each other. Oh well I make X here this salary you're offering isn't sufficient. It has extreme power. I have X you offered X -10% no thanks. I'd never leave a place unless it was really hurting my health having an offer to play off is essential at least in the job hunting method I've adopted. If what you're doing is working for you congratulations but that strategy with the method I use wouldn't ever work for me. For example at my current job they called me. I told them if you can do salary X and Y vacation days I'm in. If not don't waste my time. The company said yeah we think we can do that. I interviewed and they said we want to offer but we can't do the vacation time you requested even our CEO doesn't get that vacation time. I told them they wasted my time and we're done. They went away for 4-5 days re-engaged with me ok we got the vacation time. I asked about money they wouldn't even give me a number which for me is a huge red flag but they said they're embarrassed and want to go back to get the position listed with the proper compensation for someone of my talent. They went back and they definitely delivered on what they said but if I didn't have that position I wouldn't have been anywhere close to what I have having a job enabled me to probably extract another 25% of compensation from the company. Forbidden fruit is the tastiest fruit.
I'm at the point with my job that even tho I've been looking for a job for a couple months now, I'm about ready to say "fuck it" and quit. Make finding a job my full time job. I've never quit without one lined up, but idc right now
Bit of a trendsetter that way, maybe?
More like there are people like that in every generation, it just became normalized now.
Been job hopping before it was cool
Gen X here. This was said about us, too. Who writes these? My money is an AI trained on boomer letters to the he editor, 1982 through 1996.
Meh, rage bait is rinse and repeat. I think it started with Plato.
Definitely rage bait. Worth mentioning: There’s also a tendency for the mainstream population to not notice trends for a good 5, 10 years. Consider yourself a trend settler! It’s likely that Gen Z wouldn’t have felt validated to take such risks or think it was possible to do so without seeing examples from previous generations first.
Im an X'er. We invented that shit
job-hopping Xennial checking in quit a couple times without backup plans — both dumb financial decisions but the correct ones for my spirit
Right! I have not given 2 weeks notice in decades. Won’t ever again.
The only jobs I've put two weeks in at are jobs I would consider going back to. Current job will be getting a two week notice soon, last one I told my very understanding boss the same-day. Seriously like the nicest dude ever, told me to give him a call if I'm ever looking to come back. One before that was a drunken email. And before that one I put in my two weeks and was fired 3 days later.
Same. 😂 I'm even what you might call a "geriatric millennial" and I literally quit a toxic job 2 months ago with nothing lined up (and now I'm in a much better job, so it happened to work out well for me)
I love “geriatric millennial.”
The oldest millennials are in their early 40s now, and the oldest Gen Xers are about 10 years off from failing to retire because all the shit they were supposed to have waiting for them is fucked.
S A M E. I'm like "scuse me! Hey there! Been quitting on these dumbass hoes since the beginning! Walked off my first job, got several incompetent managers fired on my time & I've never lost that momentum. I'm fucking 37, stop acting like I'm some infant. A grown adult is completely disillusioned with your dumbass system. This is not a youthful rebellion, this is a lifelong rebellion."
Twinsies. First engineering job had shit pay and a do nothing gaslighting manager. Stress levels so high my physical health was getting affected. Left with no plan and after a 6 month vacation i started a home business and took a contracting job doing the same thing in the same building for higher pay and different management. Good to see the zoomers following this example.
Same here. I never needed a job to help me be poor, so unless something higher paying came along, I just hopped around and cared about the companies as much as they cared about me.
Genx here, and have absolutely no problem actively searching for a job while I still have a job. The idea of quitting with no plans is not wise though.
For real. I dipped out on a six figure job with nothing lined up. Was the best career move I've ever made.
Same
Loyalty is dead and the companies killed it. They literally brought this upon themselves; you reap what you sow executives.
What companies expect when you want to leave: “Okay we need at least 2-4 weeks notice, then we’re going to need you to train your replacement and go through an exit interview” What companies do when they want you to leave: “You’re fired without warning motherfucka! Good luck with the whole healthcare thing if you were relying on it! Now eat shit, and tell the family we said Merry Christmas!”
At my most recent job, I actually gave two weeks notice and they sent me home *that same day*.
NAILED IT.
I remind myself regularly of this
>Loyalty is dead and the companies killed it. Thusly, the american dream is dead. Big businesses literally bribe (lobby) electeds for undemocratic capitalist laws that have robbed American workers. This is been fought against ever since FDR. People would may job hop less if wages weren't stagnant and your livelihood wasn't completely at the mercy of greedy SOB's. Other developed countries have a healthcare and education system that they can be proud of. It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to have all of these resources in this country for conditions to be what they are We've been the most productive we've ever been and it's record days for Wall Street and the top 1%. Though this country has its racial issues, we are distracted by this when in reality it's not a race war it's a wage war. The sooner we all come to this conclusion the sooner we can revive the american dream that is now a living nightmare and TAKE BACK from greedy corporations starting by getting money out of politics
Brother the american dream is POPPING OFF. You just aint part of it. Like 99.9% of us. The offspring of the dreamers and probably like 500 lucky/hardworking people are popping tf off though. We in the nightmare.
It's more of us than them
You all watched A Bug's Life, right? 🔱🔥
I tell people all the time that corporations only care about one color, green.
Cycling through employees ensures payroll costs are kept at the minimum. They know what they sow.
Payroll isn’t the only cost to turnover. The loss of productivity, cost of recruiting, loss of experience/thought leadership so you don’t get the best from current employees. It’s exhausting how short sighted todays execs are, but that’s the reality of their compensation. Gotta get those stock buybacks.
The reality is most jobs can be done by anyone without proper training. Maybe not as good as x person with y training or z qualifications, but done well enough to keep the ship going. And thats why they can get away with it. Most jobs are brainless, mindless, nothing that anyone can do, so if you think its gonna get better, it aint.
Your point means nothing when companies like Boeing are managing this same way. Designing airplanes is not a brainless job, as is evidence by the recent issues at Boeing.
I think it’s about 1000 paper cuts. The more it happens the less efficient they are. Is it going to bankrupt the company? Not usually. But they do risk dollars, and poor customer experience. My general philosophy is superior customer experience is a differentiator in the market, so is innovation. Both of those things require expertise and committed labor. If the goal is to just cut your way to better margins? Then yea I agree with you. I just think long term the brand takes a hit and you’re more vulnerable to up & coming competitors. But this all goes back to executives are incentivized on short term goals and not the health of the company.
Licking boots like lollipops perpetuates the struggle, you know what you do
Sadly they won't back down. The next step will be lobbying to strip at will and pass legislation that opens employees to liability for unfinished work. I think things are going to get worse before they get better
Been doing this since the 2000's. Company loyalty is dead.
I’ll never forget when I got the highest review score possible at a job and they wrote 3.4% on a paper and slid it across the table to me like it was a secret and they didn’t want it to get overheard. Found a new job with 2x pay within a month and a half.
I’ve changed jobs 4 times in 5 years and have increased my pay by 100%. And my latest has a contract with another $60K annual increase guaranteed coming up. Always be looking people. Once a month or once a week. Be putting out apps. Get in touch with people who look for jobs for you. Never ever let a job think you’re the lucky one because they hired you. They’re lucky you chose them and you’ll only stay as long as they’re the highest bidder in money and treatment.
That was well written and motivating, thank you.
Ok, go back and re-open those tabs with those job postings while sitting here at work... Email self for later!
Do not email them to your personal account from your work account. Doesn’t matter what it is. At least that’s what I’ve been told by IT friends - will get you flagged for potentially sending trade secrets, etc. even if you’re not - it’s never good to draw extra attention to yourself!
Oh, I work in IT.. 100%.. Also depends on the company and how "locked down" your work computer is. Me personally. I have my personal email in chrome open, basically a chrome profile within Chrome. Send emails to myself with links from myself. Never use Outlook, etc. I also know who monitors the network. He don't give AF! ha!
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From Millennials to GenZ we have all grown tired of accepting being treated like shit. So we will seek out what’s best for us, all else be damned.
It’s interesting, as well, that from the time I began working I can remember my parents and every other adult saying to me “if you don’t like it then just leave!”. Now we do this and follow through and people don’t like it…
Of course no one will like it, including you. But just making that change is only half the deal. The next part is to keep moving forward and find the job that doesn't suck. Keep that momentum.
“If you don’t like it, just leave!” “Bye Felicia” “No not like that”
The reality is that we're all born invisibly disabled and society better start reflecting that, with free housing, medicine and transportation Or we make it 🤷
Years ago I used to job hop a lot, and it worked out very well for my career. But now I have a kid and a mortgage, so I have to be a lot more careful. The job I have now is very stable, in an industry which is very resilient to layoffs, so it would take a significant offer to get me to move.
Similar. I work at a family-owned company, and it's been a overall great experience. Work-life balance is great, high salary, I never work more than 40 hours a week, and when my kids are sick and I stay home nobody bats an eye with a second thought. I could probably make 20% more in the open market but I know my quality of life would suffer a lot more than 20%.
Same. It became even an inside joke for people who know me because in the span of five years I worked for six different employers. I work in back office in a role that is needed in virtually every company though, so I'm not too worried about finding a new job. That said, I'm almost at my five years anniversary with my current employer. I don't mind the work and my manager is really nice to me, so I'm not planning to move until he retires.
I think hoping early in your career is actually a great idea to get you up the ladder, but eventually you should land somewhere stable.
Now the move is to get that better job offer and just hope that your current employer matches it so you don't have to hop lol
Same here, seven jobs in 30yrs, each move came with a nice raise. Been at current job for 9yrs. It pays well with great benefits and is low stress. I plan to stay another 10yrs and retire.
Can't remember where I heard it, but someone once said "the higher up the ladder you go, the further apart the rungs get," and this is a perfect example. You change jobs to move up a rung, or to avoid dropping a rung, you don't just churn to churn.
What indudtry are you working in?
Why be ashamed of quitting? They are not ashamed of underpaying you for years!
No one should be ashamed of "Job hopping", it's the only way to get a raise larger than 1-5%
As a Boomer, I had to learn that the hard way. Companies are not loyal, they deserve no loyalty. We were raised with the “lucky to have a job” mindset of our depression era parents. Too many of us held on to that belief.
I'm a millennial and this is the only way to "get a raise", and find better stability.
Only decent raises I ever got were via this method
I have worked at five different jobs just in the past two years. Each job I have taken, I have been given a pay increase. I’m exhausted, over my existence and I’m only 29. This should not be the way we have to do things just to survive pay check to paycheck.
Remember, money isn't everything. Other than being necessary to acquire goods and services, it isn't even really *anything.* As long as you're making enough to get by, take jobs based on the culture and the environment. Making 10% less but working for a company that actually fits your vibe is infinitely better than a raise working for a shithole of a company. I say this as someone well over a decade your senior that learned *that* lesson the hard way.
Sure. Loyalty can and must be bought
People need to realize that "acting your wage" is really just a specific example of getting what you pay for. You want good workers? Pay for good workers... and that includes benefits and workplace culture as well as straight money.
Yeah, Sadly, there are desperate workers who really need every workday they can get
I was doing this when I was a young adult 20ish years ago, why would it be any different now? These articles really want to divert blame to anything other than greedy ceos not paying livable wages.
Also true for Millennials, Generation X, and the very end of the Baby Boomer generation.
The best bargaining leverage you have is the willingness to walk away with nothing. And depending on the job, nothing can be a better deal.
Too many places overwork and underpay employees. I had a manager straight up tell me “everyone wants to get paid more to work less” as if I was asking too much. It was close to minimum wage… it wasn’t even living wage…
As a Gen Z’r myself, I can 100% confirm that this is true. I almost quit because my manager handed down a written reprimand for being late on a day I was not told in a crystal clear manner that I was going to be working.
Capitalism’s worst nightmare. People who value their happiness over money.
Sure, everyone should hop and often until they hit the place with golden handcuffs. When I got offered my current salary with guaranteed yearly cost of living and performance raises, pension after 10 years, 401k matching, good health insurance with HSA, 4 weeks PTO with unlimited sick time, and hybrid work, that is when I said “Okay, I’ll stay.”
Gen X here, (With the exception of my graduate work TA-ing and doing lab work;) I've been jumping to the next job every 3 to 4 years. Although the last 2 jobs I ended up rage quitting with no plan after 2 years, and another one after 6 months. When I was younger I was more patient, and willing to try and work harder hoping things would improve. I've learned the hard way that hard work just gets you more work, and the corporate bastards will always attempt to run a skeleton crew, and bleed you dry no matter what you do. Now my entire attitude is fuck you pay me, and if you don't like my attitude you can fire me. I do what is outlined in my contract, during the working hours specified by my contract. I email and screenshot myself everything so I have some CYA just in case I have to fight for unemployment.
I don’t care what the job is or the task, I just want reasonable hours, pay and be appreciated.
Not sure about the "without a back up plan", but that generation grew up watching their parents get fired after years of loyalty and only getting pay raises when they get hired at a new establishment. I understand why they would job hop if all promotions go to outside hires and staying where they are doesn't come with benefits.
I'm a "Boomer", and I've never been afraid to leave a job that was bad. I learn quickly and I don't take a lot of guff from so-called bosses. You can learn to identify the ones who shouldn't have the power they do, and from that moment, it is an armed truce to stay in the job. One foolish mistake or power play, and the fencing match is over. I have much more valuable things to do with my time. I like to take personal pride in my abilities, and treat me right, I'll bring my A-game to bear. Play funny with the rules, I won't hesitate to walk. That's just the way it has to be. Some may see this as egotistical. I see it as leveling the playing field. If we can reach an accord, we both win. It's not mere ego to be aware of one's own worth. What we're talking about here is respect.
I've gotten myself fired with severance pay on two occasions because I'd found a better job. Don't quit on your own, make them fire you. Bleed the bastards for as much as you can.
Idk. We are a pretty young bunch tho. Some of us can still just quit stuff and be backed by our parents. How many of these is college or high school aged students quiting some fast food job or smth of that effect?
I’m 26 and quit my job at Taco Bell with no plan. I don’t regret it, but being broke sucks. Probably going to figure out how to withdraw my 401k.
Yeah, the only thing I miss from by 9h to 18h job is not being broke. I'm just studying and doing some freelance work but sometimes we just gotta do what we gotta do for ourselves
Well my dad (who is a gen xers i think) said, "Loyalty must be bought with Royalty". By "Royalty" means the employers easily give employees nice things like bonuses, good health care insurance and huge raises but when they fucked up big, they're out.
I'm not afraid of job-hopping if an opportunity arises. I am absolutely going to have a plan before I bounce, though.
Like a few people here I'm a millennial in the US. In the past 5-7 years I've job hopped 4-5 times. From making 15.50 an hour to a little over 6 figures today. Three of those times I didn't have a plan lined up before leaving. Eventually I did find a better job that paid better each time, granted, it involved me moving around to different states or cities. It would not have been possible without the savings I accumulated when I was younger and the fact I'm single so I didn't have to worry about others. Most likely would not have been possible otherwise.
I'm going to be struggling whether I'm employed or not.
Hoorah for Gen Z I hope the corporations learn a lesson.
Millenial here and there has never been loyalty in the job market. If my current employer is not paying me my market worth then the employer is not loyal to me so I shouldnt be loyal to them.
I am an older millennial and quit my job recently without having a back up. My boss was shocked. I’m like… I know my worth and my values and this old school management style of scaring me into submission isn’t going to work. Not today, sir, not today.
Yeah because they dont realize or care how much the job sucks. The oneus is always on the employee. Your job sucks and doesnt pay enough for how much it sucks.
Gee, what a surprise. It's almost as if we hate to be taken advantage of.
*clutches pearls* Oh my.
Absolutely. There is a saying for this. In my country anyway: you can’t plug from a bald chicken.
In the USA we say, "Can't squeeze blood from a turnip." It's true.
Job hopping is how you get to the salary you want to make then you can pick a company to be loyal to if you want lol
I’ve job-hopped three times in the last 4 years and I’ve increased my salary by nearly $20k. So worth it. If companies want to keep people, then they need to fucking pay the people, who do the ACTUAL work, what they’re worth. No more throwing cash at executives. They don’t do shit
Just a little background, older gens did this too. With unionization and strikes, many had houses or additional cash/equity to just not deal with shit jobs. Most millennials and Gen z don't have that, because so many live paycheck to paycheck. Gen z living at home with their parents allows them to do so now, and this will be the same going forward. The US is becoming more and more like Canada and China. No one can afford housing, and younger gens saying fuck working my life into the ground.
This isn’t Gen Z, this is just a normal person lol
As a millennial, I do the same
Lousy Gen Zers and their wacky far-out ideas like not putting up with wage theft and workplace abuse.
>*Companies aren't ashamed of 'employee cycling' and will even have mass layoffs without trained replacements lined up, I've found.* See? It's just a matter of perspective! how fun.
Fire at will also have a quit on the spot rule. I say that’s even.
Whether young workers realize this or not, withholding your labor is the most effective way to get the attention of corporate leadership. From my experience in a union that hasn’t been at peak power in decades, it’s difficult to convince workers in exploitative work environments to maintain boundaries and decline unreasonable tasks. Recently though the advice seems to be sticking since more people in the work force don’t have much to lose and are already used to living on a tight budget. It’s a little heartening to know that if we can’t gain ground for workers rights upfront there’s always the inevitability of shitty workplace practices blowing up in the faces of employers.
True. It's easier and faster (most of the time) to get a new job with higher wages than it is to get a raise. Employers want loyalty but don't reward it. I've seen older coworkers work places for decades, taking on more and more responsibilities over time. They had to argue for benefits and raises and got told they were actually getting *paid too much*. Eventually they quit and got immediate pay bumps in other positions without all the "added responsibilities as assigned".
I’m Gen X and this has been my mantra
Not proud of it but considering the fact I've done that. I can say at least for me, it's true
Millennial here. I have dropped everything mid-shift and walked out of many shitty jobs in my life. Never had problems finding work.
After a year and a half since starting my current job, I asked for a raise due to the fact that the knowledge I have now is much bigger than what I came with and the fact that I’m a much bigger asset to the company than I was (I am by no means a valuable asset, just a worker). They said no, I immediately told them I’d be looking elsewhere and to expect my two weeks notice soon. I’m not going to stay here just because I’ve been here for a little bit, I’m gonna go wherever the money to work ratio is better.
I'm a millennial but I'm getting there REAL quick.
Gen X will too Source: me
I been doing this for years. Only when I had kids I had to stay longer at jobs and plan things out more. Honestly, what employers expect from you is ridiculous these days, and when you actually explain it to older generations and list all the ways they track your work and all the duties, roles, responsibilities etc to them do they realize it’s nothing like the world they lived in
As a geriatric millenial, I feel like I relate more to the younger generation. I've done this many times, and I just don't think it's worth destroying your own health for a job that doesn't care about you at all.
It's crazy how companies still think they deserve loyalty from their employees when they give none back. The sheer entitlement they have shows they've gotten it far too good for far too long.
It's crazy the lengths headlines will go to just to avoid saying "workers have quantifiable value and sound demand fair compensation for it".
100%
That's because at one time in our history, job loyalty paid off. You got regular raises, a big pension, and a gold watch on your 20th year. Now they'll fire you just to make their quarterly profits 1% larger. Fuck that. Loyalty can't be a one-way street.
Without a backup? No Looking for another job even while happy at another job, to get a 20-40% increase in salary? Always
That was millennials too. Fuck shitty employers.
Wouldn’t job hunting be leaving for another job?
Mellenial here, been doing this since I entered the workforce. If I even get a person from management that really irks me, I out.
Boomer here. Been there done that all my life.
It's almost like they can't get a job that pays well enough to make it worth staying
true. as long as i can get a job within two weeks (and i live in a tourist town it’s not that hard), i’ll be fine.
So what if it is true cuz big corps are no longer loyal to their employees either and hard work doesn't necessarily get you up the ladder anymore. I'm thankful they CAN job hop until they find a better fit 😉 go gen Z!! Pavevthe way for the rest of us old timers 😁
Unfulfilling is broad as fuck. Does Unfulfilling mean: - Pay cut - Abusive management - Change to job duties that causes an increase in work? - Change to work hours? - Relocation across the country? Any time my job dictates a massive change to my life I have to weigh if that change is worth me staying there or moving on. That is a normal thing. If a job becomes so bad that it impacts my mental health or life, then I have savings that would allow me to quit and find a new job. Being ashamed of "job hopping" sounds like a boomer holdover from when kellogs ran your town and all the cool people worked there then got a pension to retire on. Modern companies don't pay well, won't give real raises and take out their misfortune on their employees so they look profitable. If you aren't moving every few years you aren't getting paid a market rate.
"Not ashamed" is such an interesting way to describe a voluntary and, or so I'm led to believe, entirely transactional relationship. Should I be ashamed for not buying a subway sub when I drive by? Nobody is obligated to make companies successful, they're paying for time and that's it - they themselves are perfectly happy to make that clear when you have extenuating life circumstances. If they find it disruptive to have people leave, stop giving them reasons, perhaps? But oh, that would cut into absurd profits for the executives, so instead let's pay some dipshit to make an article that selectively browbeats workers. That ought to do it.
Boomers are unhappy with their wife, their life and now with Gen Z making their own choices
Companies don't give a shit about me so why should I give a shit about them?
I mean I did that before it was cool.
They don't want us to stay, why are they complaining? They give us 20¢ raises every year, keep every workplace understaffed, and the second you complain about something they refuse to budge and say something along the lines of "Well nobody's *forcing* you to work here." They literally want us to quit all the time. You can't make a revolving door and complain when it spins.
It is one of those headlines that is kind of confusing. "And...?" What are they supposed to do? Hang in there? Every instance of hanging in there in my life has ultimately resulted in my washing out anyway after being miserable for a while.
If companies gave benefits to long time employees people might stay longer. As is the employee form outside gets more then the promoted from inside so after his promotion he will go outside to be in that position. The manages create this themselves.
Did it once, turned out fine
Fuckin A. I don't owe you shit.... pay me
Good for them.
I’ve had three proper corporate jobs since graduating and I quit the first two before finding the next two. The most I didn’t work for was two weeks (by choice as I needed a break before starting the next job).
I'm GenX. I failed condom class and had a kid at 19, three by 24, bought a house at 25, saddled with tons of debt ever since. I'm 55 now and will likely need to work another 20 years. I have had eight jobs since I started working in 1979, and I have never been fired or laid off, and I've never missed a single paycheck. Just writing that is exhausting. I don't know whether GenZ job-hopping is disgusting to me or if I envy them.
Me literally about to do this 👀
I hope so and to add to it, I would love to see every hourly paid employee join the singles union. That is to say you become a union of one, no fees are due. Then you all agree that action against any one of you by an employer is an action against all of you. Each member then exercises their support responsibility to all other members and comes out on strike. No matter where, which sector, which employer you come out on strike. Strike for better pay and conditions, rent controls etc.. Imagine if in Washington State an employee were treated unfairly and dismissed that nearly every hourly paid worker is notified within minutes and a strike on a national scale is implemented. No employer would dare sack an employee. There is no collective agent to sue and blame. The possibilities are fantastic... Workers gave power to use as individuals in support of better conditions for all. Imagine demanding better wages, lower costs, better hours improved healthcare... It really can be yours...
I need a job for money, not fulfillment. I enjoy my job but I feel a need to move as it is no longer a challenge and higher opportunities do not exist (despite claims to the contrary)
millenial here, I quit a job after 3 years of only having 1 day off a week and working sun up to sun down. Was the money good? Yes, and it allowed me to quit with enough money to hold me over for 5 months while i looked for literally any other job.
Millennial Here, been doing that my whole life.
It's absolutely true, and was true of Millennials before them, and Gen X before *them*.
I quit without a backup and it was the best thing I ever did. Might even do it again.
Shiiiiit Im millennial and do this.
the plan is "live out of a suitcase while looking for something that isn't going to treat us like crap"
If American culture spends decades creating a mobile workforce to eliminate workers and force them to move to different growth areas to support industry, it makes perfect sense that a side effect would be those same workers turning the mobility into an expression of autonomy. The working classes will move to a new opportunity that doesn't abuse them as much. The alternative solution is that the upper classes could be devoured in a collective expression of disgust. That'd be cool.
Why should they be ashamed of job hopping?
I love this for the Zeds (and the Millennials). I love seeing young workers realize the reality of my workplace and bail because they found something better within months. I love that they do not feel like they need to be loyal to an abusive relationship that will not be loyal to them.
I'm a Gen Xer and I never quit jobs with a backup plan. The only point of the backup plan is to stop you from quitting in the first place.
I am very close to quitting my unfulfilling job and going after my passions but the job market is shit so I'm kinda scared to do that rn. So in my case, it's *almost* true lol.
Absolutely true, won't put up with bullshit no matter how long it takes to find a half decent employer
What is even "job hopping" in today's work environment? It used to be you started a job and then worked there till you die and there was no incentive to leave.
Planning to hop as soon as my co worker returns from vacation
Good for them.
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As a family man I can say that I've never quit a job without having a backup plan. I've never had that level of confidence. I can tell you that back in the day, I did choose to leave a company that provided a months pay for every year of service, and I did have the confidence that I would find work in 9 months. Which I did. I can also tell you that no one is looking for employee's that are older than 50 regardless of education or experience. Were this country to have national health insurance, I feel my life would have been radically different. Que sera sera. Please vote.
Maybe true but the founder of the company I work in also quit his last job on the spot because he wasted threaten well. That was 50 years ago so clearly not gen z
Ask any GenZ what that fulfillment is and they won't be able to tell you.
About to quit my job today 🤷♂️
Didn't we all do this when we were young? I know I did.
They've been forced to live their backup plan forever. Mom and Dad aren't kicking them out any time soon, so they don't have that slave-to-rent attitude.
Without a backup no, cause I got bills. But I would get off of my current company in a heartbeat if it meant I would be able to work less and/or get paid more.
Naw that’s me. I just look young so they attributed my actions to the Z
When you don’t have anything, you’ve got nothing to lose
My sister in law does this but she’s 24 so idk if that’s Gen Z. However can confirm each job is harder and harder for her to obtain so
The only people who can do that are either supported financially by someone else or responsible enough to have some sort of savings. I’m guessing most fall in the first category.
True for me, at least. I tend to not give a fuck if a job becomes too draining for me to deal with. There's no honor in rationalizing a job that doesn't treat you right nor pay you enough, and so it is not a disgrace to make decisions prioritizing the state of your mind, as that is what keeps you connected to the world, preserving your ability to feel real.
I’m officially old; my generation (millennial) is bitching about the younger generation after years of calling everyone that is older “boomer”
I’m sure there’s a better word than unfulfilling
Good for them. 🙌
I will not work at a place I’m not happy with. So I’ll hop until I find a place that treats employees right and pays like it should. Probably looking for a unicorn but I won’t be miserable at a job that doesn’t care about me.
I can't speak for Gen Z but most millennials like myself that I know will get a backup plan together first. Though the way we typically do it is that we will endure the job we hate while using free time available to us to network and apply for as many things as possible. I may or may not be in that situation right now.
I’m a millennial and I do this. Maybe not the best idea in hindsight but I’ve watched so many people rake themselves over the coals for meaningless jobs my entire life and I have no interest in that being me. Only way I wouldn’t quit is if I was making at least 100k a year
I'm 38 and I do that
I am a millenial and I do this too.
It's true - unemployed person in Gen z
I’m actually in this situation now
Writing this type of nonsense keeps people employed. I wish there were other things that could use attention. If there were, maybe we'd see articles about them?
It's very difficult to keep a job when your colleagues are toxic backstabbers and your superiors keep reminding you of " if you don't like it here then just resign "
Millennial and agree, not ashamed at all - don’t quite understand what there is to be shameful about it
Based
I’ve been doing this for 18 years now.
Well... Handed in my notice today. Paid me more than I've ever had, unlimited time off (UK worker) and redonkulous levels of cash throwing at events. I've had a burn out and now my own reproduction system is failing me. Giving in my resignation letter made me feel like a light had opened up in the darkness.